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Canadian-hosted torrent site is the next to fall in a series of takedowns

The world-wide crackdown on torrent sites has brought down another major torrent hub. After being forced to close its doors to Canadian users in September due to pressure from the Canadian Recording Industry Association (CRIA), survived for only slightly more than a month before being having forced offline entirely today.

The previously bustling homepage has been replaced by a single line of text; bereft of much in the way of details, but leaving little doubt as to the fate of the website:

The CRIA threatened the company renting the servers to us, and because of this it is not possible to keep the site online. Sorry for the inconvenience and thanks for your understanding.

The Demonoid tracker and website outage in September was explained as a server rebuild.  With the CRIA now going after the hosts in question, it is unlikely that Demonoid will find a new host within Canada willing to defend themselves.

"Upstream takedown," as its dubbed, is a page right from the U.S. Digital Millenium Copyright Act takedown procedure

After the Interpol takedown of the UK-based site OiNK on October 23rd, many OiNK users were warned that "a criminal investigation" would continue into the site and its users.

No such warning has been posted yet. It may be that Demonoid did not store any information, that the CRIA may have opted to simply remove the site rather than attempt to prosecute the end-users or that it may be a waiting game to determine if the operators will attempt to bring their site back online.

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RE: Not really a surprise....
By Ringold on 11/9/2007 4:26:49 PM , Rating: 2
Not a problem?

Canada can have that attitude for now, as they aren't so dumb as to attack you guys at this point. These are generally pretty intelligent people running the show. An attack might cause you to crack down, and they'd be forced to rough it across the Mexican border or by sea. It's much more wise on their part to be quiet about it, so that you think "border security and anti-terrorism aren't important issues".

RE: Not really a surprise....
By Missing Ghost on 11/9/2007 4:52:15 PM , Rating: 2
If you like to live in a country where you're always treated like a criminal, do so. Canada is a pacifist state, so there isn't more effort done than what the police is doing; there won't be any crazy anti-terrorist laws like in the USA. The money should be put on healthcare, education, etc. Not anti-terrorism, border security, etc. which are similar to war and paranoia.

RE: Not really a surprise....
By rcc on 11/9/2007 6:01:35 PM , Rating: 2
Canada is a pacifist state

Fortunately you are wrong. As a pacifist state, and a pacifist person, cannot exist in nature. The fact that Canada has armed forces kinda says otherwise too.

In order for a pacifist to exist, there must be someone willing to provide protection to them. Preferably without cost to the pacifist, that way they can climb on their high horse and talk down to the cops, soldiers and nations that protect them without feeling as though they may have contributed.

Not that Canada isn't a peaceful country, and I think that's great. Despite global opinion, the US would prefer to be peaceable as well; we've just been burnt so many times that it's easier to be proactive than totally reactive.

RE: Not really a surprise....
By Missing Ghost on 11/9/2007 10:50:28 PM , Rating: 2
We have armed forces, but that doesn't mean we aren't pacifists. The armed forces are kept to a minimum and only used reluctantly. They are currently only used for missions of help and reconstruction, and to ensure our sovereignty in the North.

Nobody is providing protection for us. If I look in the streets I see no USA soldiers. We are against projects like the USA missile shield. Our protection is from diplomacy; we don't go around saying we may attack other countries, like... Iran, North Korea, Syria. Pumping money into your army at an insane rate is certainly a kind of menace too.

RE: Not really a surprise....
By mal1 on 11/10/2007 1:29:49 AM , Rating: 1
Pacifists don't make chemical/biological weapons and test them on their own citizens...

RE: Not really a surprise....
By Ringold on 11/10/2007 1:59:11 AM , Rating: 2
Our protection is from diplomacy;

In the long run, when, in history, exactly has that ever worked?

As the Cylons would say, it's happened before and shall happen again. Canada is just behind the Japanese 8 ball; they went the pacifist route (forced to by us), realized they had no significant influence in the world at the end of the day, and now look, they've got a quickly growing "Self Defense Force" doing things other than strictly "Self Defense".

Canada's defense has come from the fact Roosevelt laid it out quite plainly in the early 1940s; an attack on Canada is tantamount to an attack on the US, and virtually all US military planning involving the defense of North America includes Canada as if it were a collection of additional northern States, whether Canada likes it or not. It more or less has to be that way; we could every draft-eligible man in America and not have enough to defend that border.

RE: Not really a surprise....
By FITCamaro on 11/10/2007 11:11:46 AM , Rating: 2
It's easy to say money shouldn't be put into border security when no one really wants to go to your country for anything other than weed or cheap prescription drugs.

RE: Not really a surprise....
By barjebus on 11/9/2007 4:53:53 PM , Rating: 2
I can't even believe we are having this discussion right're upset that there's about 30,000 cases backlogged in Canada about immigration, and that they take too long to verify those peoples identity?

Wikipedia quotes from a U.S. government paper:

The United States Government Accountability Office estimates that “between 400,000 and 700,000 illegal immigrants have entered the United States each year since 1992.

And you're afraid that immigrants are going to come from CANADA? Show me this crack you're smoking, I'm sure I could get a good price for it.

RE: Not really a surprise....
By Ringold on 11/9/2007 5:04:28 PM , Rating: 2
If you look at where those immigrants to Canada are flying in from, I'd be more concerned about those than hard working Mexicans coming to seek a better life. There's a clear difference between the level of international terrorist that flows from Mexico (approximately zero) and that of the Mid East (almost all of it).

Difference is though, Mexicans are also our own problem to deal with. Canada's immigration problems we're powerless to deal with yet vulnerable to due to the wide-open border. I could care less about any one elses immigration problems, such as Germany, since that doesn't impact me.

What I don't get is how you can dismiss it so easily. It must be grand living in Canada, where the worst apparently one has to worry about is perhaps the premature mothers having to flee to have children in American neonatal centers and getting busted. Oh, and cops with tasers versus night sticks.

RE: Not really a surprise....
By barjebus on 11/9/2007 5:18:29 PM , Rating: 2
Try not lying to the entire world and then making a fool of yourself when you're stuck in Iraq with debts piling up at astronomical rates, while corporate America sucks you dry by charging the military for non-existent goods or services that were never rendered or delivered. Have you followed any of the congressional inquiries about where BILLIONS of dollars just disappeared? I am extremely thankful that Canada did not get involved in Iraq.

Immigration security is important, I agree with you, and we do need to reform our system, but most of us as Canadians want everyone to have the best possible opportunity to come here if they are oppressed or in a hopeless situation. That's the whole point of being a developed country...helping those that aren't.

There's a clear difference between the level of international terrorist that flows from Mexico (approximately zero) and that of the Mid East (almost all of it).

I assume you're not saying that everyone from Middle East are terrorists, and that it's just that of the terrorists that do exist, most of them are from the Middle East? Well I wonder how that all started....oh YEAH! Thats right, didn't the U.S. help the Saudi's train and fly Mujahadeen fighters to Afghanistan in the 80's to fight the Soviets in Afghanistan? Riiiight, and where are those terrorists now? Fighting the U.S. military in Iraq? And why are we there again? Because the dictator the U.S. installed in Iraq turned on them after the war against Iran failed?

/rolling my eyes

RE: Not really a surprise....
By Ringold on 11/10/2007 2:10:49 AM , Rating: 2
Nice. I prod you just enough, and you explode ranting about the second Gulf war, as if thats somehow relevant to something thats been going on since at the very earliest the 80s? Very nice. I'm glad some allies didn't get in there as well; allows someone to help with diplomacy that appears neutral.

And then you admit that terrorists do in fact come from the Mid East, but then change the subject to a biased history lesson rather than current issues at hand. Our only problem was abandoning Afghanistan after we helped them to victory, directly leading to the Taliban -- which, by the way, is exactly what some of our allies want to do again. Where was Canadian moral superiority during the Rwandan genocide, hm? You guys are no better than we are. :P

I wasn't really asking for Canada to go to the moon for us. If you guys can pay nearly 50% top marginal income tax rates, ya'll can afford to screen 30k additional people a year to make sure they're at least semi-legit.

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