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The new, improved PS2  (Source: SCEI)

The new, improved PS2 vertical stand  (Source: SCEI)
The undying PS2 gets even better, but no price cut in sight

Sony Computer Entertainment Inc. in Japan officially announced a new PlayStation 2 hardware revision, partly confirming an earlier report. The new hardware will be similar to the existing PS2 Slimline console, but integrates the power supply unit inside the console rather than relying on an external power brick.

As suspected, the new model, designated with number SCPH-90000, experiences a slight weight gain over the previous SCPH-79000 model due to the addition of the PSU. The SCPH-90000 weighs 720 grams, while the SCPH-79000 is only 600 grams. Both recent models are a significant an improvement over the first iteration of the PS2 Slimline console, however, as it weighs 900 grams.

Although not a direct improvement to the internal hardware, the new SCPH-90000 will be compatible with a much improved vertical stand that demands a much smaller footprint than the previous model. The new stand is sold separately for 1,500 yen, or approximately $13.

While speculation says that this new model will hit North America sometime next year at the magical $99 price point, Japanese gamers will have to pay the current, unchanged price for the new PS2. Suggested price in Japan is 16,000 yen ($140). The new PS2 comes in the black, white and silver.


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PS3
By TomZ on 11/7/2007 12:33:01 PM , Rating: 2
I realize this is Sony's response to the success of the Wii, however, I just can't help but think that this will further cannibalize PS3 sales.

Sony should have instead launched a very stripped down PS3, I think. Although I guess that is made more difficult by their decision use Blu-ray as the gaming media - and the associated cost thereof.




RE: PS3
By murphyslabrat on 11/7/2007 1:06:55 PM , Rating: 2
The biggest feature of the PS2, that I think should migrate to the PS3, is the price. Come on, why can't Sony sell them for $129.99? I mean, they're already losing money on each console, it wouldn't be *that* much of a difference, right?

They're already doing everything they can to "strip it down," as each console is already being sold for less than it cost to manufacture. The profit comes from the game licenses and, least possibly, per-copy kick-back.


RE: PS3
By Moishe on 11/7/2007 1:57:00 PM , Rating: 2
Sony doesn't want to win bad enough to reduce the price of the PS3 to $129 :)


RE: PS3
By rsasp on 11/7/2007 4:21:04 PM , Rating: 5
are you a grade three student?
If Sony actually drop PS3 price down to $129.99, then Sony will be close to Bankrupt no more than two years. The only way that they actually dropped down to $129.99 is to change the packaging(ie: PS3 without hard drive, controller, WiFi and any other necessary accessory) then they increase each one of those accessories by 300% and 100% for the game, would you be happy with that? lol i guess not.

here's the math:
PS3 Console - $129.99 (no accessory included)
Controller - $79.99
Cheapest 2.5'Hard drive(Toshiba MK6037GSX 60gb 5400rpm SATA) -$47.99
Remote Control- $59.99
AV Component Cable - $49.99
Total:$367.95
and each game for $79.99 to $89.99

P.S: if you think that the price for PS3 at the moment is still to expensive, then consider that cheapest Blu-Ray stand alone player is $449 comparing to $499 PS3, only $50 more you'll get the ability to play High Definition game. So for me, i think PS3's price is quite reasonable.



RE: PS3
By S3anister on 11/7/07, Rating: 0
RE: PS3
By BansheeX on 11/7/2007 11:43:15 PM , Rating: 2
He was careful enough to say "for me" before he said it. So are you arguing that his valuing blu-ray is wrong because you don't personally care about it? Would I get rated up for saying I don't care enough about the HD-DVD if the 360 had it included for less than $399 combined? Gotta love DT.


RE: PS3
By pakigang on 11/8/2007 12:12:10 AM , Rating: 2
The part where they are losing money in not in manufacturing but in thr R&D $s they put into it.


RE: PS3
By tedrodai on 11/8/2007 9:54:16 AM , Rating: 2
In response only to the P.S. comment:

For those consumers that enjoy the High Definition movies enough to purchase an incredibly expensive BluRay player now (I'm not trying to provoke--no sarcasm here), the PS3 probably is a great value at the moment. You get a fairly cheap BD movie player AND the side bonus of a game console, as you said.

But to those of us who could care less about getting an HD movie player until they're in the price range of today's average DVD player (although HD DVD is getting pretty close), you're still having to pay quite a premium on the PS3 (both for console and game disks) just so you don't have to switch disks. IMO, it's really no use to debate over the price, because they tried to do too many things with the PS3. If you want all the features it offers, and/or you're an early adopter, it's probably a reasonable purchase to you. If you want a subset of the features, it's not a reasonable purchase, and it will be like this for a while to come.


RE: PS3
By retrospooty on 11/7/2007 10:49:25 PM , Rating: 2
"Come on, why can't Sony sell them for $129.99? I mean, they're already losing money on each console, it wouldn't be *that* much of a difference, right?"

They are already losing money, but to lower it that much is a big hit. Think of it this way, they have sold 5 million PS3 at the already high price, losing money on each one. Now just think they lower the price by $100 per SKU (this is still way over your $129 mark) so if they sold another 5 million at an additional $100 per loss its $500,000,000 bucks ! I am pretty sure they are already losing over $100 per as it is.

Not that I care, I think sony is getting what they deserve =)


RE: PS3
By semo on 11/7/2007 1:16:52 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
Sony should have instead launched a very stripped down PS3, I think.
no! sony should add more stuff to the ps3 and make it bigger. and give us that price increase that everyone has been bitching about.

seriously i hope sony makes a slim ps3 asap. i think that will happen when they shrink both the cell that the gpu (whatever the codename was) to 65nm or lower.


RE: PS3
By FITCamaro on 11/7/2007 10:03:49 PM , Rating: 2
You're funny. In 4-5 years there will be a slim PS3. If you think a 65nm CPU and GPU is gonna allow it, I want the drugs you're on.


RE: PS3
By semo on 11/8/2007 6:16:35 AM , Rating: 2
i don't really care for exactly a slim ps3. i think they can make it as small as the original ps2 within a year. the ps3's first gpu&cpu shrink should bring power consumption to 100w or less. if the power supply is made external, the ps3 will require a lot simpler cooling.

i bought the original psx and ps2 but this time i'm waiting for the shrink and hoping it will happen sooner than later (i'm not getting one before gt5 and silent hill 5 anyway) and that it won't have the stupid humped top.


RE: PS3
By BansheeX on 11/7/2007 4:24:03 PM , Rating: 3
It doesn't cannibalize PS3 sales because it is in its own price point. In other words, few people buying a $130 PS2 this Christmas could afford to buy a console over $250 anyway, so there was never a potential sale to lose.


Small Footprint
By AlphaVirus on 11/7/2007 12:47:19 PM , Rating: 2
Having a small footprint is very nice. It reminds me of why the Playstation was so much better than the Xbox, because it was just that...A Box.

I find myself lugging consoles back and forth from my house to my friends house and it makes it so much easier when its lighter and less items attached. Having the power built in instead of having the brick is a very intuitive feature and creates less clutter to carry.

I know this does not help the PS3 sales or anything but maybe this can help the PS3 in the future. Sony is using the PS2 as a testbed, it seems, testing new ideas and see how well it sells and performs then add it to the PS3.




RE: Small Footprint
By afkrotch on 11/7/2007 5:01:15 PM , Rating: 2
I think they should have designed a new PS3 and PS2. Create a slot within the PS3 to accept a small PS2 and they'd share a video and power connection. Not to mention same controllers and everything.

For those without a PS3, they could just use the included av and power cables. Then you can strip all BC out of the PS3. Whether it's PS1 or PS2 games. You would save costs on hardware and costs on having a set of ppl working on emulation software bug fixes or improvements. This could translate into cutting costs on the PS3.

They could do exactly what Microsoft is doing with the Xbox 360. Rape the users who want all the goods. We all know an Xbox 360 with 120 gig hdd, wireless, and hd-dvd is hella expensive. Sony could have done that too.

That or they could create a PS2 BC pack that would slide into where the non-existant media card reader is.


Mmm, I want disassembly photos.
By psychobriggsy on 11/7/2007 3:16:46 PM , Rating: 2
It must be just a DVD drive, PSU and a tiny bit of logic now to fit inside that case! Well, I guess the motherboard is at the bottom and so low-power that it can deal with passive/gentle cooling under the DVD drive and PSU. Will get one when it is out in the UK, so compact compared to my old big PS2 of bulkiness.

Someone tell me when there are disassembly photos! Gotta get my kicks somehow!




By FITCamaro on 11/7/2007 10:05:40 PM , Rating: 2
Well the entire PS2's silicon is on a single chip now. So it's not like it takes a lot of space.


>.<
By Newspapercrane on 11/8/2007 9:49:01 AM , Rating: 2
I don't like it when they have an external PSU. The first time I saw an Xbox 360 online, I didn't see the brick and I thought it looked cool. Then I went over to a friend's house, and saw their 360. I had no idea what it was. I feel it's kind of cheating on a console's size. A whole console should have everything internally, except for the cables, they shouldn't have some huge external brick like the 360.




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