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90nm chips still in use by PlayStation 3

With the release of the 40GB PlayStation 3 nearing worldwide proportions, some took one look at the specifications sheet and assumed that it contained 65nm chips after noticing that the latest SKU is a good bit less power-hungry than the 60 or 80GB models. While the 40GB PS3 does indeed draw less juice, Sony says that the latest hardware still runs 90nm chips.

According to information received by German publication Heise Online, the new 40GB PlayStation 3 hardware does not yet include 65nm chips, but rather still makes use of the same 90nm technology as in all other PS3 consoles. Sony said that 65nm chips would be introduced sometime in the coming months.

So how does Sony account for the power consumption drop from 200 Watts down to a more palatable 135 Watts? Apparently it’s due to improvements and modifications on the original design.

For one thing, the 40GB PlayStation 3 no longer has to house and power any chips related to PS2 backwards-compatibility. That means that the new hardware is completely without the Emotion Engine+Graphics Synthesizer chips and memory.

The 40GB PS3 also does not include the added hardware to support a memory card reader and only has to power two USB ports rather than four, leading to a further reduction in power consumption.


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RE: Missing the Old Games
By AlphaVirus on 11/5/2007 1:32:12 PM , Rating: 3
Wanting BC is not a fad, its a want.

PS2 was such a major hit and that caused many people to invest over hundreds of dollars on games. I am a casual gamer and can remember buying at least 20 games over $30.

I think its more for the reason,
1. You can clear the space of where your PS2 is sitting/standing
2. You can have the better console to play your games
3. All of your Playstation games can be played on a single Playstation console


RE: Missing the Old Games
By omnicronx on 11/5/2007 2:06:18 PM , Rating: 5
Holly shit people, what do you not understand about Sony needing to cut the cost of the PS3 to compete with the 360. You are the same people the whined about price, whined about not needing a BD player, whine whine whine.

Well i have had it, BC had to go, its not needed, and only those that still have ps2's and want one unit in the room are complaining about it. Give it a rest people! If you really feel the need to play ps2 games on your ps3, then you (being the small percentage) can suck it up, and buy one of the more expensive PS3 offerings.

I just don't understand where people think the price cut came from, and i am sure Sony is still losing ton's of cash on each console sold. As this article states, its still a 90nm processor, so no savings there. The only savings are in removing BC, smaller HD, and a few USB ports, well guess what BC is for sure a big chunk of those savings.

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PS2 was such a major hit and that caused many people to invest over hundreds of dollars on games. I am a casual gamer and can remember buying at least 20 games over $30.
So? I bought NES, SNES, GB games for 30+ dollars? Now do i expect my NES and SNES games to play in my Wii? Or my Gameboy games to play in my DS?

In this day and age, with hardware totally changing every console revision, its just no longer feasable to have anything more than software emulation. The only reason the wii can play GC games is because its essentially an overclocked gamecube.


RE: Missing the Old Games
By wallijonn on 11/6/2007 12:34:59 PM , Rating: 2
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its still a 90nm processor, so no savings there. The only savings are in removing BC, smaller HD, and a few USB ports, well guess what?, BC is for sure a big chunk of those savings.


Then take out the HD and sell me the PS3 for $279.99, the same price as the 360 Arcade. Oh, wait, there's that whole BD thingie... So take out the ability to play BD movies and sell it to me for $280 and make sure I can save my games to internal memory.

But I bet you no one would buy it. Add a firm ware update to be able to play HD-DVD movies along with BD? Start the price at $750.

Personally, I own a PS2. I wouldn't need BC in the PS3 only because it would probably be too painful to play the games, at least the earlier PS2 games. But people who buy GoW III may want to be able to play GoW I and GoW II, just as the people who buy a 360 would like to be able to play all three Halo games. I'll probably pick up a 360 Arcade and fore go the ability to play older games.

So if Sony wants to remove the ability to play games on the PS3 and make it a stand alone BD player for $100 less, that'd be fine with me, too. Just make sure you include the remote controller with it. You can call it the BD1.


RE: Missing the Old Games
By Murst on 11/5/2007 2:11:51 PM , Rating: 4
quote:
Wanting BC is not a fad, its a want.

If you want it, then pay for it. You can still get the 80gb (and perhaps 60gb) if you want it. Sony didn't take away BC. They just made it so if you want it, you pay for it.

People who don't want it, don't have to pay for it anymore. Its a win-win for everyone, yet people somehow manage to complain anyways.


RE: Missing the Old Games
By walk2k on 11/5/2007 2:26:29 PM , Rating: 3
People are complaining on the internet?

NO WAY!

Let's face it, if you gave them a machine that prints free money when you pushed a button people would complain that they have to push a whole button.


RE: Missing the Old Games
By SavagePotato on 11/5/2007 2:41:40 PM , Rating: 3
It's a shame that backward compatibility was cut, however they have a need to compete more strongly price wise with the 360. Can't realy fault them for that unless you also fault Microsoft for releasing the stripped down core console for a lower price point.

At least in this case it doesn't hurt the capabities of PS3 games like the core systems lack of a hard drive.

I would wonder if full backward compatibility makes a comeback some day when the costs drop naturaly for the unit. It would be nice to see a slim ps3 with full backward compatibility for $199 some way down the line.

With the ps2 getting another redesign however it makes it a little less of an issue I suppose, cause that thing is totaly awesome, a tiny little ps2 for $99 bucks or whatever it is it's a tempting purchase, no wonder it's still selling so well.


RE: Missing the Old Games
By aos007 on 11/5/2007 6:14:56 PM , Rating: 2
You are missing one big thing that a standalone PS2 won't do - that is, upsample /antialias the PS1 and PS2 games. This definitely makes a difference, especially on PS1 games. Due to all-digital connection you are also going to get better picture than PS1 for sure (PS2 is debatable).

There are benefits to using PS2 standalone though - one, much less power is used to play games especially with new slim PS2. Two, new slim PS2 is silent. PS3 definitely isn't.


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