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90nm chips still in use by PlayStation 3

With the release of the 40GB PlayStation 3 nearing worldwide proportions, some took one look at the specifications sheet and assumed that it contained 65nm chips after noticing that the latest SKU is a good bit less power-hungry than the 60 or 80GB models. While the 40GB PS3 does indeed draw less juice, Sony says that the latest hardware still runs 90nm chips.

According to information received by German publication Heise Online, the new 40GB PlayStation 3 hardware does not yet include 65nm chips, but rather still makes use of the same 90nm technology as in all other PS3 consoles. Sony said that 65nm chips would be introduced sometime in the coming months.

So how does Sony account for the power consumption drop from 200 Watts down to a more palatable 135 Watts? Apparently it’s due to improvements and modifications on the original design.

For one thing, the 40GB PlayStation 3 no longer has to house and power any chips related to PS2 backwards-compatibility. That means that the new hardware is completely without the Emotion Engine+Graphics Synthesizer chips and memory.

The 40GB PS3 also does not include the added hardware to support a memory card reader and only has to power two USB ports rather than four, leading to a further reduction in power consumption.

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RE: Missing the Old Games
By Locutus465 on 11/5/2007 1:28:47 PM , Rating: 3
One of the biggest draws for the Wii is the fact that you can play every Nintendo game back to the orginal NES (yes I've played super mario bros. on my 50" HD-TV)... Different gamers have different requirements, for some BC is very important, it's a huge value add feature and something that Nintendo can now hold over Sony & Microsofts heads.

RE: Missing the Old Games
By Etsp on 11/5/2007 1:47:20 PM , Rating: 2
Not every Nintendo game sadly. Only ones they release. I'm still waiting for any kind of Mega-man game to be released =(

RE: Missing the Old Games
By Locutus465 on 11/5/2007 1:53:40 PM , Rating: 2
True, they're working on the cataloge... I my self am waiting for Mario 3, perhaps for the holidays... But still, better BC than the 40GB PS3 which is the PS3 priced with in closest reach to the mass market.

RE: Missing the Old Games
By Murst on 11/5/2007 2:08:57 PM , Rating: 2
Mario 3 was released on VC today.

BTW, what Nintendo is doing w/ VC is nice, but Sony also allows you to purchase PS1 games via PSN.

I own both Wii and PS3, and I actually like the way Sony is going much more than what Nintendo is doing. I'm really excited for games like LittleBigPlanet. Good (emphasis on good) new IP will always be better than re-releasing old games.

RE: Missing the Old Games
By Locutus465 on 11/5/2007 2:21:34 PM , Rating: 2
I suppose I could see that POV... Personally my preference is for being able to play the old games with the older graphics, new games should use the newer hardware/os. Thankfully due to the design of the Wii mote you could still make a NES style side scroller type game that would work very well using the new system, and adding a motion detection kick (a-la paper mario).

There is deffonetly merit to what you're saying though.

RE: Missing the Old Games
By Murst on 11/5/2007 2:32:04 PM , Rating: 2
Oh, I like being able to play older games as well. I've spent hours playing Mario Kart and SMW on the Wii (I forgot the location of one of the worlds though - and I thought it had it mastered!).

I probably would have never played SMW or Mario Kart if it wasn't for the Wii.

There's just so much more potential for VC though than just re-releasing old games. I'm sure we'll see original content soon, and hopefully the focus will switch to that (there's also the fact that nintendo can only re-release so many of the older games... eventually they'll be done with the relevant portion of the libraries for older consoles).

RE: Missing the Old Games
By Murst on 11/5/2007 2:33:36 PM , Rating: 2
Err.. I wouldn't have played Mario Kart and SMW again if it wasn't for the Wii.

I should really use the preview feature more... or maybe not.

RE: Missing the Old Games
By Locutus465 on 11/5/2007 2:36:57 PM , Rating: 2
Perhaps add a new console called "Wii Mini-Game" or some such, reserved for games to light to merit being published on DVD... Akin to XBA.

RE: Missing the Old Games
By BansheeX on 11/6/2007 12:37:00 AM , Rating: 2
If you wanted to, you could play any NES or SNES game on your PS3 through emulation on its linux platform. Kind of beats Nintendo's VC model for retro gaming, doesn't it?

RE: Missing the Old Games
By omnicronx on 11/5/2007 2:14:57 PM , Rating: 2
Different gamers have different requirements, for some BC is very important
If it's so important, there should be no problem shelling out the extra $100 to get the model with BC.

If someone can give me a good explanation why they think they should not be paying more money, for what specifically makes the console cost more money, then maybe I will change my mind.

I want a 399 PS3, period! Many others would agree this is much more important for sony than BC will ever be.. Sony must see it, as they flip flopped from their previous position pretty quickly. Something must have changed their minds.

RE: Missing the Old Games
By Murst on 11/5/2007 2:17:25 PM , Rating: 2
Something must have changed their minds

I have a feeling we'll see that something on November's sales charts.

RE: Missing the Old Games
By mikefarinha on 11/5/2007 4:29:25 PM , Rating: 2
The software emulation of the PS2 already exists for the PS3 (in accounting terms it's a sunk cost). The only cost for Sony would be the extra 16MB of storage space (or however large the software is).

My personal opinion is that it would be in Sony's best interest to release backwards compatibility for the $399 unit as an online purchase. I think this would make very good business sense by allowing people to invest in the PS3 now, and 'upgrade' their system at a later date for a small cost.

I agree that backwards compatibility is more of a value-added feature rather than a core feature, but I think that it is a very strong value-added feature.

Like-wise I hope that Nintendo releases some sort of $20 DVD option to the Wii so that I can watch movies on it. It is obviously capable of watching movies it just needs to be enabled via software.

On the other hand if Nintendo releases a new Wii that plays movies and doesn't give me the option to upgrade my existing Wii, I'd be pissed! (but probably not too pissed since it wouldn't change my current setup, and also I'll probably be upgrading to HD-DVD which wouldn't be an option on my existing Wii anyways. But I'd still feel a little cheated.)

RE: Missing the Old Games
By Murst on 11/5/2007 4:36:39 PM , Rating: 3
This is not very easily doable.

Sure, some things were software emulated, but not everything. The 40GB PS3 is now missing the graphics synthesizer and some specialized memory that was required for PS2 emulation.

Theoretically, Sony could probably even emulate these via the CPU + GPU, but it certainly isn't a "sunk cost" as Sony would have to devote considerable resources to make this happen.

RE: Missing the Old Games
By mles1551 on 11/5/2007 3:25:20 PM , Rating: 2
I've also played Super Mario Brothers on my HDTV, but I played it on a NES.

What's the need for BC? What did you people do with your old systems? I've still got my Super NES and my launch day PS2 that works as good as new.

RE: Missing the Old Games
By Locutus465 on 11/5/2007 4:44:21 PM , Rating: 2
Playing on the Wii basically gives me a Wireless NES controller... To me that makes it a nicer experience.

RE: Missing the Old Games
By Locutus465 on 11/5/2007 4:45:58 PM , Rating: 2
Also, I don't need to keep an NES & SNES & N64 & GC & Wii & X-box 360 all hooked into my entertainment center... That's kind of ungly/messy... All those nintendo systems get squished into a single box, so I'm just down to that and the 360... Those + all 4 controllers for each is about all I can stand to see sitting in my entertainment center.

RE: Missing the Old Games
By michal1980 on 11/5/2007 4:54:32 PM , Rating: 1
the Wii is only BC with Gamecube.

Its not B.C. with snes/nes/n64 etc. Your re-buying the software again. and it was easy to do b.c. with the gamecube since the wii is a great locking overclocked gamecube with a new controller

RE: Missing the Old Games
By Murst on 11/5/2007 5:33:37 PM , Rating: 2
It appears DT has hardcoded your posts to always start at 1 instead of 2.. at least it sure seems that way.

Doesn't matter if your post is valid (as in this case) or not. :)

RE: Missing the Old Games
By michal1980 on 11/5/2007 7:03:30 PM , Rating: 1
thats because i'm number ONE woohoo.

anyways. to claim the Wii is BC because you can buy an old game is just being stupid. or hating on sony.

RE: Missing the Old Games
By Etsp on 11/9/2007 1:48:16 PM , Rating: 2
Slight correction there, you aren't "buying" virtual console games from Nintendo, you are merely licensing them. As a result, you do not own the game and do not have the right to make backups, nor can you transfer the game from one system to another.

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