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Toshiba HD-A3 HD DVD Player
Best Buy brings Christmas early to some customers

Best Buy often gets a reputation of not having the best customer service and looking down on "devil customers" who only come to Best Buy locations to score hot deals.

Over the past few years, Best Buy has done much to better its image. The store ditched mail-in rebates which many customers complained about -- all Best Buy merchandise now carries instant savings instead.

Best Buy's latest move, however, may be one of the best yet for "devil customers."
It was reported yesterday on DailyTech that Wal-Mart would have the Toshiba HD-A2 HD DVD player on sale for $98.97 Friday morning. Best Buy followed suit by offering the HD-A2 online and in-store for $99.99.

As one might imagine, Best Buy stores were quickly depleted of stock and was hammered with excess orders. Although some orders were able to get through, an overwhelming majority of customers who purchased HD-A2s from received backorder notices.

Given that the HD-A2 is now discontinued, one would have expected that Best Buy would just cancel all of the orders and be done with it -- but you would be wrong. Best Buy instead is replacing all backordered HD-A2 players with the new third-generation HD-A3 which retails for $299.99.

A letter sent to Toshiba HD-A2 customers reads as follows:

Dear Valued Best Buy Customer,

You are receiving this email because you recently ordered a Toshiba HD DVD Player (model # HD-A2) from and your order was placed in a backorder status while we awaited additional inventory. Unfortunately, the manufacturer has discontinued this item and we are not anticipating receiving any more inventory.

Because we value your business, we will be fulfilling your order with the next generation Toshiba HD DVD Player (model # HD-A3) that is replacing the HD-A2 in Toshiba's lineup of HD DVD Players. There is no need for you to do anything to receive this upgraded model. We will simply fulfill your original order and your packing slip will be updated to show you received the HD-A3 and serve as your order receipt.

If you are not interested in receiving the Toshiba HD-A3 as a replacement for the discontinued HD-A2, you may return the unopened item to your nearest Best Buy store or simply contact one of our Customer Service Representatives at (888)-BestBuy for more information about how to return the product for a complete refund.

Please accept our apology for any inconvenience. We look forward to your next visit to Best Buy.

Best Buy Customer Care 

Those persons who were sad to get a backorders notice should be delighted that they will be receiving a brand new third-generation unit instead.

The excitement should build even further considering that all third-generation Toshiba HD DVD player (including the HD-A3) come bundled with "300" and "The Bourne Identity” in addition to the five free movies that can be had after a mail-in rebate [PDF].

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Hardware wise, A2 > A3
By Slaimus on 11/3/2007 10:41:53 AM , Rating: 3
If you read the forums, most actually sat the A2 is a better player than the A3. The A3 is designed as more of a cost cutting than improving revision. But having those 2 free DVDs does it put on top overall.

RE: Hardware wise, A2 > A3
By walk2k on 11/3/07, Rating: -1
RE: Hardware wise, A2 > A3
By therealnickdanger on 11/3/2007 2:36:12 PM , Rating: 5
The HD-A2 and HD-A3 are almost identical, but the primary difference is rather unsettling:

HD-A2 allows non-HDMI users to downsample all audio to a 1.5Mbps DTS optical out.

HD-A3 allows non-HDMI users to downsample all audio to a 640kbps DD optical out.

If you use HDMI as your audio source, then they are the same. If you use optical, the HD-A3 is crippled in the audio department. I believe that the A3 may have an updated scaling chip, but I haven't torn them apart to see for myself.

One other thing: not only do you get two HD-DVDs in the A3 box, but Best Buy lets you select any* two from off the shelf, AND you get five via mail-in. That's NINE free movies.

RE: Hardware wise, A2 > A3
By walk2k on 11/3/2007 3:01:48 PM , Rating: 2

RE: Hardware wise, A2 > A3
By Alexstarfire on 11/3/2007 3:03:54 PM , Rating: 2
I've got to say that unless you are doing surround sound, which I don't see why you wouldn't, then this isn't a problem. I've done tons of video converting on my computer and know that I can go well below 100 kbps for mono. I can even keep it under 100kbps for stereo as well. That sound EXACTLY like the original. Well, the mono one won't on anything more than one speaker, but that's obvious.

I gotta say that it's not something that I'd enjoy, but I think that it might still be ok depending on how they actually do it.

RE: Hardware wise, A2 > A3
By therealnickdanger on 11/3/2007 3:33:51 PM , Rating: 1
Looking at it objectively, downsampling is always a negative. You are losing quality. Whether you can tell the difference is completely subjective. Someone with a $500 home-theater-in-a-box will probably not notice. Someone with a $500 remote, however, will.

So basically, the A3 is perfect for the entry-level high-def customer. They typically don't have a 1080p panel or a DTSMA/DDTHD receiver.

RE: Hardware wise, A2 > A3
By essjae on 11/3/2007 6:53:55 PM , Rating: 3
Downsampling is not always negative. You need to look at the initial sample rate, the frequencies recorded, etc before you can determine if downsampling will lose any quality. As long as you stay above Nyquist, you'll be ok.

RE: Hardware wise, A2 > A3
By saratoga on 11/3/2007 10:10:43 PM , Rating: 4
Looking at it objectively, downsampling is always a negative.

Fortunately, neither player is downsampling. The word you are looking for is transcoding .

And anyway, comparing bitrates when the format isn't the same is a little silly. AC3 is generally a bit more efficient then DTS, so in terms of real quality its not clear from the info you posted which is going to sound better. It will likely depend on which firmware is better implemented.

RE: Hardware wise, A2 > A3
By therealnickdanger on 11/3/07, Rating: -1
RE: Hardware wise, A2 > A3
By Locutus465 on 11/4/2007 10:57:00 AM , Rating: 3
Bitrate isn't everything you know, with the right encoding a lower bitrate can perform much better than a higher bitrate equivilent... Take a look at TMNT for instance... A lot of HD/BD customers complained because the video was encoded at a very low bit rate, and they thought they were getting cheated some how... But in terms of actual performance, if any of these people actually bothered watching the movie they would have realized it's one of the best HD transfers on the market.

RE: Hardware wise, A2 > A3
By walk2k on 11/3/2007 3:34:15 PM , Rating: 2
Yes I am doing surround sound and as mentioned already own the 360+HDVD which does 1.5M DTS, so the A3 would be kind of a downgrade for me. That's just me personally though. I only considered the A2 for $99 because the Xbox is so noisy, I really only use it for Netflix rental HD-DVD movies that aren't also on BD.

For people without any kind of HD player yet and who have a modest HT audio system (or just TV speakers), both are a pretty good deal for $99, especially considering you get at least $100 worth of free discs with that!

RE: Hardware wise, A2 > A3
By RamarC on 11/3/2007 4:49:46 PM , Rating: 3
Only supporting DTS over the optical output was considered a shortcoming of the A2 since Dolby Digital is ubiquitous and DTS has lower market/consumer penetration. That's why the A3 outputs Dolby Digital which by its very nature has lower bandwidth than DTS and is compatible with practically every surround receiver sold since 2000. (The lower bandwidth is also why most DVDs only have DD soundtracks and DTS is reserved for special editions.)

The DD output is still 5.1 (from 6.1/7.1) so unless you've got 3 or more rear speakers you're not losing any channels.

RE: Hardware wise, A2 > A3
By hellokeith on 11/4/2007 3:21:06 PM , Rating: 2
Also, going from DD+ to AC3 is not a huge lossy downconversion, since both are Dolby codecs with shared encoding/decoding logic.

RE: Hardware wise, A2 > A3
By wallijonn on 11/5/2007 11:26:22 AM , Rating: 2
It also seems as if the A3 is built upon a smaller die. The A2 has a fan which can be heard at zero volume levels (which means that it may be heard during silent portions of the film) and the A3 seems to have a smaller fan, implying that it puts out less heat, so it should be quieter than the A2.

It would be interesting to know if it does in fact have a superior up scaling chip as I feel that the Oppo 981HD, due to its ability to set brightness, contrast, sharpness and colour saturation independently of the TV set, along with its superior remote controller, gives a slightly better up converted DVD picture than the A2. They're very close, but when you feed it inferior media material the Oppo can overcome many of the limitations imposed upon the A2 (having to resort to change the TV settings, especially sharpness.)

Toshiba is selling at a loss...
By MagnumMan on 11/3/2007 12:12:01 PM , Rating: 2
The only thing that makes sense to me, given the recent price cuts and now this rather startling news, is that Toshiba is willing to sell at a loss to bolster HD-DVD. This almost sounds like Predatory Pricing to me. But hey, enjoy it while you can...

RE: Toshiba is selling at a loss...
By ChipDude on 11/3/2007 12:32:52 PM , Rating: 3
Trust me Toshiba is losing less on this then Sony has lost and will lose subsidizing PS3. At 399 bucks and with the yields on cell and the laser I think Sony is still losing in excess of 200 bucks a unit.

What Toshiba is losing is trump change and the volumes they are getting will quickly further drive their hardware costs down further.

Looking forward to higher end blackfriday HD-DVD units now. The floors has been broken and the bar set, one BR can't match without breaking the bank

RE: Toshiba is selling at a loss...
By stubeck on 11/3/2007 2:17:04 PM , Rating: 2
Sony was losing about 250 last year for the PS3 at 600. They are probably at 300 or 350 now with the PS3 at 400.

By deeznuts on 11/3/2007 4:12:41 PM , Rating: 2
Yes Sony is losing money on their PS3 ( I don't think it's that much anymore, even on the $400 PS3). But they got royalties on movies as well as Toshiba, and much much more on games. Toshiba doesn't.

RE: Toshiba is selling at a loss...
By walk2k on 11/3/2007 4:34:02 PM , Rating: 2
Got a source for those numbers or did you just pull them from your ass?

The old numbers (from "iSupply" I think?) which were oft-quoted a year+ ago were back when the blue laser diode was costing something like $200 each, and they are now down under $20 I believe. The BD drive is by far the most expensive thing the PS3 yet you can get something similar for PC for under $200 now. I'd be surprised if the PS3 cost Sony more than $300-350 to produce (numbers pulled from ass!) especially now with the cheaper 65nm Cell and higher yields.

RE: Toshiba is selling at a loss...
By Tegeril on 11/3/2007 7:55:41 PM , Rating: 2
Minus the part where Sony just stated that the 65nm parts were rumor only, and the PS3 is still using 90nm.

By saratoga on 11/3/2007 10:13:44 PM , Rating: 2
The old numbers (from "iSupply" I think?) which were oft-quoted a year+ ago were back when the blue laser diode was costing something like $200 each, and they are now down under $20 I believe. The BD drive is by far the most expensive thing the PS3 yet you can get something similar for PC for under $200 now.

This doesn't make sense. You point out (correctly) that the isupply numbers are ancient and thus certainly outdated, then in the next sentence you use them to conclude that the bluray drive is the most expensive part? It certainly was, but I really doubt that now. The GPU + CPU are now both likely to significantly more expensive since they're gigantic and still at 90nm.

By hannibal the mechanical bull on 11/6/2007 9:24:19 AM , Rating: 2
"especially now with the cheaper 65nm Cell and higher yields."

Now who's pulling facts out of thier ass? Not hapening, not yet anyhow.

RE: Toshiba is selling at a loss...
By BansheeX on 11/3/2007 10:22:30 PM , Rating: 2
You should probably realize that yields on blu-ray lasers and the cell have gotten better and the cost of producing a PS3 has decreased significantly since it first came out, so your math of adding $100 to whatever they were reported to be losing at launch is pretty brainless. Also, the 40GB model removes at least $30 worth of PS2 hardware. I would be surprised if Sony was losing more than $100 on any model anymore.

By BansheeX on 11/3/2007 10:24:22 PM , Rating: 2
Sorry, this was a reply to Stubeck.

In other news... Hell Froze over
By sapiens74 on 11/2/2007 6:50:45 PM , Rating: 5
Good job Best Buy

Gotta say I'm impressed. I may actually visit the new stores in Honolulu

RE: In other news... Hell Froze over
By KristopherKubicki on 11/2/2007 7:14:02 PM , Rating: 5
I called Satan a few minutes ago and his receptionist said he couldn't take my call ... something about a snowball fight.

RE: In other news... Hell Froze over
By bisoy on 11/3/2007 6:46:48 AM , Rating: 2

By Master Kenobi on 11/3/2007 10:17:22 AM , Rating: 2
*kicks back drinks some coffee* Yea, Satan just finished up with me, nailed that sucker right in the face. Go ahead and try calling him now.

By BMFPitt on 11/3/2007 8:23:42 AM , Rating: 3
I have to say I'm very impressed, and I wish I knew about this. I could have gotten my DHDVD yesterday without stepping into WalMart.

But hey, I said I'd jump in at the $100 price point and I figured that was at least another month away if not six. I'm glad to be on the bandwagon. Now if they can only get more movies at $20 and under.

Wow, too bad I missed out
By Locutus465 on 11/3/2007 3:16:17 PM , Rating: 4
I did however get a pretty good deal from which wasn't reported here either. They had the HD-A2 going for $129.99, a tad bit more expensive but not bad at all... I have to say I'm really liking the HD-A2. I've even got the firmware all updated to the most recent release and everything. Transformers was excellent!

So now I'm just waiting to see what this does to sales figures. The walmart sale also included a price reduction on select HD-DVD's to 14.99. Though the store I hit up sold out an hour before the sale started (grrr), I did notice a good number of customers switching to the HD-A3 and purchasing a handfull of HD-DVDs. Blueray's buy one get one free promotion might have just barly held off transformers, but transformers being out + super sale on HD-DVD hardware + super sale on HD-DVD discs? I'm not sure if a buy on get one free can keep BD's head above water... If Toshiba/Microsoft follow up with great black friday and christmas eve sales, combined with 5 free offers, things will *really* start to turn around.

Double Deal
By Kyanzes on 11/4/2007 6:32:05 AM , Rating: 2
I'll take a HD-A2 and... hell yeah, I'll take that huge microwave owen. :)

By gus6464 on 11/6/2007 6:19:16 PM , Rating: 2
I got the A3 this weekend with 5 free movies out the door from BB (2 in box, 3 from store) for $199 and it is a pretty average player. For one it takes the unit around 1 min. too boot before you can insert a disc. And then disc loading depending on movie can take between 30-60 secs. DVD upconversion is pretty subpar when compared to my PS3. Only reason I got it was for the hd-dvd exclusives and it looks like I will be buying most of the movies on blu-ray since they are cheaper.

Best Similes of a HD DVD Player and Blu-ray Player
By SunAngel on 11/3/07, Rating: -1
By andrewsdw on 11/3/2007 2:29:35 PM , Rating: 2
Ummm...they are just a bunch of smart car vids??

By Tegeril on 11/3/2007 7:52:55 PM , Rating: 5
So maybe I'm just confused...but, after watching the first video I'd like to break it down.

1. You said HDDVD is the SmartCar and Blu-Ray is the Hummer.
2. HDDVD is a product many people have been waiting for in the US.
3. The Hummer H1 is discontinued.

Somehow, I think your video does not illustrate your point.

who cares.
By 8steve8 on 11/2/07, Rating: -1
RE: who cares.
By AnnihilatorX on 11/2/2007 7:12:47 PM , Rating: 3
This is not about the high definition war. This is an article regarding courteousnesses from Best Buy.

Upon what basis you claim nobody cares about the HD war? Every information is vital for anyone interested in junmping on the HD wagon now.

Nobody forces you to read this article. The article title is there for a reason.

RE: who cares.
By 8steve8 on 11/3/07, Rating: -1
RE: who cares.
By Lonyo on 11/3/2007 9:36:34 AM , Rating: 2
Um, there are lots of articles about HD-DVD because Bluray isn't doing anything.
Show sales of Bluray players for <$100, or even $200.
The fact is that the huge drop in price for high def players is something worth reporting.
When only one side is dropping prices, you can only report on one side. Show us where places are selling Bluray players for $100 and I am sure Dailytech will post a story about it.

There are lots of stories about HD-DVD because there are lots of things to say about it, since they are making moves.

RE: who cares.
By Master Kenobi on 11/3/2007 10:15:14 AM , Rating: 2
Amazon is selling the A2 for 139.99 right now, ships from Tigerdirect. Still not a bad price.

RE: who cares.
By Targon on 11/3/2007 9:45:38 AM , Rating: 2
There have been reports here about Blu-Ray being ahead when those reports come out. The fact of the matter is that you just can NOT find a Blu-Ray player for anywhere near the $200 mark(which is where most consumers draw the line).

There are people who are willing to buy a PS3, but for those who don't care about consoles, the price is too high for a stand-alone player with movie viewing as the only reason for the purchase. So, where do you see even stand-alone Blu-Ray player for even $400 for the unit? That is the reason why Blu-Ray will suffer in the long run, because the number of Blu-Ray player sales will be much lower.

The same thing applies to MacOS software if you think about it. MacOS itself would sell a LOT better, and software for MacOS would sell a lot better if the OS were opened up to run on all x86 systems. Because the number of machines the OS can run on is fairly low compared to the overall market, and the computer prices needed to run MacOS is higher, the sales of MacOS and software that runs on it will remain much lower. If you force yourself into a niche market, you end up in a niche, instead of being the dominant platform.

RE: who cares.
By MagnumMan on 11/3/07, Rating: 0
RE: who cares.
By djc208 on 11/3/2007 9:46:34 AM , Rating: 3
Because DailyTech never prints anything about Blue Ray:

and this is just in the last week. Truth is what does Blue Ray have to brag about right now? Profile 1.1, which gives Blue Ray the same features the $99 HD-DVD player I just bought already has? 1080p support? Maybe someday it will be a big deal but right now Most HDTVs are still 720p.

If Dailytech hasn't been singing the praises of Blue Ray enough for you, maybe that's because right now Blue Ray doesn't have much to sing about.

RE: who cares.
By Tegeril on 11/3/2007 7:58:08 PM , Rating: 2

Why is it so hard!?

RE: who cares.
By mWMA on 11/3/2007 9:49:40 AM , Rating: 2
Last time I checked I saw plenty of news on dailytech regarding the PS3 and its Blu-Ray and its price changes.

Considering PS3 is currently the cheapest Blu-Ray player on the market but that cannot compete with $99 HD DVD player. It think daily tech coverage is not baised to any one format but more so it is comments that may present the article to be forming a bias.
I guess maybe it would make you happier if a alternate news link were show for Blu-Ray on every HD DVD article and vice versa.

RE: who cares.
By KristopherKubicki on 11/3/2007 10:39:22 AM , Rating: 2
And go figure, I have a Blu-ray player.

RE: who cares.
By Master Kenobi on 11/5/2007 12:46:08 PM , Rating: 4
My condolences.

RE: who cares.
By Performance Fanboi on 11/3/2007 12:23:49 PM , Rating: 2
Hey Steve - speak for yourself! What makes you think that you speak for the "core readers" here at DT? It seem that there are quite a few people, myself included, who find this type of article worth reading - maybe they/we are the core readers. It is also interesting to me that you have such a strong opinion about an article you completely missed the point of - this is about Bestbuy handling its customers not the HD/Blu-ray war.

RE: who cares.
By lumbergeek on 11/3/2007 12:41:33 PM , Rating: 2
Exactly. He doesn't get the point.

RE: who cares.
By SavagePotato on 11/3/07, Rating: -1
RE: who cares.
By CKDragon on 11/3/2007 2:04:39 PM , Rating: 2
So which completely unbiased site do you suggest we read?

For that matter, which completely unbiased site is passing judgement on the AV friggin S Forum ?

RE: who cares.
By SavagePotato on 11/3/07, Rating: -1
RE: who cares.
By CKDragon on 11/3/2007 2:59:50 PM , Rating: 2
So are you of the opinion that the first HD or BD format player to break $100 and Best Buy actually giving decent customer service to the masses for once are news stories that should not be posted?

That certainly seemed to be the point 8steve8 was making. How do you suggest we let the editors at DailyTech know that 8steve8 does not speak for the majority? Is voting him down and disagreeing with him in a post not allowed? What other method do you suggest? Find me one example of 8steve8 being "violently fanboy attacked" for what he said in this very thread.

"Violently fanboy attacked"... you're clearly unbiased.

RE: who cares.
By SavagePotato on 11/3/07, Rating: -1
RE: who cares.
By SunAngel on 11/3/2007 3:21:58 PM , Rating: 1
I agree on the HD DVD issue.

However, as far as Vista is concerned I think its unpopularity is solely in the enthusiast community where hackers are quite prevelent and vocal.

Most of the dissatifaction, in my opinion, has to do with hackers annoyance with UAC. Before, they could just meddle within your machine and not get noticed. Now, UAC notices they are there and they have to get permission to make the registry changes they need to promlegate though your computer. An astute person paying attention to what is going on in their system is going to notice something is not right.

So, obviously this makes their missions harder. The opinion of Vista in the blogspheres is not going to get better until two things happen: a) UAC is put to rest (defeated), and b) the masterkey for DRM is widely available.

RE: who cares.
By DarkElfa on 11/3/2007 3:35:26 PM , Rating: 3
Why shouldn't I be pro HD-DVD, they're actually producing something I can afford to purchase. Hell, my last DVD player cost more than $99.99.

RE: who cares.
By SavagePotato on 11/3/07, Rating: -1
RE: who cares.
By Procurion on 11/6/2007 9:39:43 AM , Rating: 2
It becomes very apparent that you are both young and not very computer savvy, SunAngel. For those of you that are too young to remember, the older people here remember the details of the VHS vs BetaMax fiasco. Sony tried to do what it's doing now. They released an overpriced, proprietary format and refused to do anything to reduce the prices until they were toast. This, with the "numbers sold" BS and all the other rhetoric is a mirror of what has happened SEVERAL times with Sony.

You are just too young to remember and don't have a full grasp of what Sony does. They produce mostly over-priced equipment of usually exceptional quality and try to use proprietary methods so that they can keep the prices up without dropping them. That is the definition of a company that works a niche market. By trying to force a world-wide standard it generates a lot of ill-will. BluRay, for good or bad, has just become an interesting historical note just like it's predecessor, BetaMax. The mass market is for sub-$100 players and Sony will never do that.

I can't believe that Kubicki actually owns one! Oh well, it'll look good in the closet next to his Beta video machine.

The other issue, Vista....have you not been reading this site? The reason that Vista is not a massive success is because there are driver and performance issues that don't make it worth a $200-$300 leap for nothing gained. You also don't understand hacking...if you expect UAC is stopping them, and are relying on it you are already in trouble. DRM is a non-starter, also...5 minutes searching and you'll never need to worry about DRM again.

I'd also like to point out to you and Steve that the ratings and number of posts indicate what people want to read. You have no right to speak for me or the other 60 people in my office that read this site daily. Do what I do....scan the titles and if you don't like it, don't read it. DO NOT tell me what I like or don't like, or what YOU think I should be allowed to read based on YOUR preferences!!!!!!!

RE: who cares.
By CKDragon on 11/3/2007 4:12:44 PM , Rating: 2
I'm not basing my observations on the situation simply on this story. It has been my observation that if you post anything pro blu-ray, even in a courteous manner you will get rated down, jumped all over, and told all the reasons why you should be supporting HD-DVD immediately. Often times with site admins chiming in as well.

But see you're contributing to the accusations, that means the burden of proof is on you. I'd like to see these "violent fanboy attacks" supported by the chiming site admins.

Maybe after seeing these crimes against humanity I'll ask you again where these forums are that have a consensus on DT and AVS Forum's bias so that we may post together on those boards. Maybe when I ask this time, you'll actually have an answer.

Rate down and attack all you wish, it only points it out to be correct.

<Vince Vaughn>ERRONEOUS!</Vince Vaughn>

RE: who cares.
By SavagePotato on 11/3/07, Rating: -1
RE: who cares.
By 8steve8 on 11/3/07, Rating: -1
RE: who cares.
By timmiser on 11/5/2007 12:51:30 PM , Rating: 2
So if DT had an article that says,

"Blu-Ray players remain at $400 MSRP"

Would that make you happy??

RE: who cares.
By AlphaVirus on 11/5/2007 1:55:59 PM , Rating: 1
DT should create a -2 vote for horrible posts, similar to the +6 vote for awesomeness.

You cant sit there and read a tech website and complain about them talking about a certain type of tech. Besides this is clearly not a HDDVD vs BluRay war article, its more about the customer service of Best Buy.

Stop thinking the whole interweb is against you.

Waiting on PS3....
By daftrok on 11/2/07, Rating: -1
RE: Waiting on PS3....
By BansheeX on 11/3/2007 10:13:53 PM , Rating: 2
Guess what, you can do that right now. If you have good credit, you can apply for a Sony credit card and get a $100 credit on your first purchase if accepted. Then you get some sonystyle points which are worth a few blu-ray movies. And you can still get the 5 free movies since it's a blu-ray player. Definitely a great deal if you're into both games and movies and like the simplicity of one hookup like me. This deal has been posted several places, just not DT for obvious reasons.

RE: Waiting on PS3....
By wetwareinterface on 11/4/2007 4:42:02 PM , Rating: 1
couple of points against this however...

requires good credit - may exclude some with only moderate credit and or without the means to secure credit with sony on other basis such as debt to income ratio. this problem is the worst possibly, because those living on the margin are the ones who would need the unit to be as cheap as possible to afford it.

sonystyle points require a purchase using sony credit, and can only be applied to further sony products. so when you want that one killer app that finally appears for the ps3 your style points won't help you. also the extra movie or 2 you get still doesn't offset the added cost of this method of credit purchase unless you pay off the total purchase in under 6 months as the interest alone will negate the free movie offset.

and you stated you get to have a unit that performs 2 tasks as one. i am assuming you meant gaming and high def disc playback of movies. if sony's playstation formats had any games i'd even be willing to play then the dual nature might take effect but in actuality i prefer first person shooters and playing those with a joystick sucks balls. and yes there are keyboard and mice for the ps2 and ps3. they don't work in socom or resistance etc... the only halfway decent 1st person shooters on the playstation systems. lame fairy meets oversized sword carrying anime hero type fanatsy games are definately not for me. fighting games are okay but look tons better on xbox anyway so forget those. so what's that leave in game play? racing games? project gotham racing is better than most sony titles and gran turismo is still n/a.

so you pay $300 for a game system plus high def video disc player. not to mention you lowered your credit score by applying for another card that can only be used for sony stuff in the rewards points. when if i want to watch high def movies i can just pay $100 and get 9 free films vs $300 and worse credit and 7 "free" films.

sounds like a winner to me.

and no i am not purchasing nor do i own any xbox based system or wii or ps series stuff. my last video console was a jaguar and man did i pick the sure winner there :)

and yes the dual in one option was your preference i realise. as mine is a player in front of the t.v. and games in front of my computer monitor.

RE: Waiting on PS3....
By BansheeX on 11/4/2007 5:30:23 PM , Rating: 1
LOL, I can't believe you just went on a rant against this. I already stated the conditions of the deal, and you start making "points" against it. I don't know about other people, but I am not an idiot when it comes to money. I never use credit to pay for things that I don't have money for. The only items I make payments on are my car and my house. In other words, I have $400 upfront and can get $100 off and even more free movies with this credit card deal. Period. Getting the credit card does not inherently result in me paying interest, me beginning to use the credit card for other things which offset the deal, grieving at the thought of not being able to get non-Sony rewards from a Sony credit card (lol?), etc.

Otherwise, I'm glad you shared your PC-fanboy opinions on consoles and why this isn't worth the extra $200 for you. Congratulations on getting the $100 HDDVD deal, I heard 90% of people didn't. And enjoy Soul Calibur 4 on your PC and the hundreds of other new titles that never make it on the PC due to the PC's inability to promise user ownership of a gamepad. The PC shelf of Sims expansions, MMORPGs, and FPS/RTS from two years ago looks mighty interesting, I must say. Then again, it has to be when you plunk $300 down on a video card alone.

RE: Waiting on PS3....
By SavagePotato on 11/4/2007 9:33:43 PM , Rating: 2
The PC still has plenty of titles of interest.

Call of duty 4
Age of Conan (which I am personaly waiting for)
Supreme Commander
C&C 3
Team Fortress

Those are just a few modern and upcoming titles that come to mind. I have a PS3 as well, there are styles of games that just don't work on the PC, mainly fighting games, or platformers like Ratchet and Clank. However I much prefer the idea of playing MMO's and FPS games on my pc. Which I do.

It's fine to like consoles, Fine to like the PC, I use both now. Theres no reason to try to shoot down either of them as a bad platform based on personal preference.

"You can bet that Sony built a long-term business plan about being successful in Japan and that business plan is crumbling." -- Peter Moore, 24 hours before his Microsoft resignation
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