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Get ready for an avalanche of new NVIDIA products

NVIDIA's GeForce 8800 GT might be one of the best performance-per-dollar cards since the Radeon 9800, but things are moving fast at NVIDIA and there's a lot more on the way from the company between now and next Summer.

Over the last quarter, the company moved away from the old "Gx" designation for its core names, instead opting to switch to a more descriptive system.  NVIDIA's new codenames follow:
  • D8M: Eighth generation mainstream, previously named G98
  • D8P: Eighth generation performance, previously named G92
  • D9M: Ninth generation mainstream
  • D9P: Ninth generation performance
  • D9E: Ninth generation enthusiast
GeForce 8800 GT, codenamed G92 and D8P, stole the majority of the headlines last week.  GeForce 8800 GT, the 112 stream processor sub-titan, became NVIDIA's first 65nm processor design. However, NVIDIA's dark horse was really the revision on GeForce 8800 GTS SSC.

GeForce 8800 GTS SSC, as it’s awkwardly called, is essentially identical to the GeForce 8800 GTS based on the 90nm G80 core.  However, where typical 8800 GTS components only enables 96 of the 128 stream processors of the G80 core, the 8800 GTS SSC enables 112 stream processors -- the same number featured on the GeForce 8800 GT.

And yet in December, GeForce 8800 GTS is expected to undergo another revision as the company moves from the 90nm G80 core to the 65nm D8P.  Vendors will introduce 112 stream processor and 128 stream processor revisions on D8P, which even further convolutes the corporate guidance put forth just a week ago.

NVIDIA will continue to cannibalize the GeForce 8000 series as it moves to 65nm silicon across the board.  GeForce 8400 will likely be the first to go before the end of the year, as the G86 design is replaced by the 65nm D8M silicon, which was previously called G98.

As 2007 comes to a close, the company will ramp production on ninth-generation components to replace the eighth-generation 65nm parts, D8x.  Sound familiar? It should, as NVIDIA is almost exactly replicating Intel's tick-tock strategy of alternate cycles of design and shrink. 

Early NVIDIA roadmaps claim D9M, the first ninth-generation NVIDIA component, will replace the GeForce 8500-series lineup.  There's no retail designation for these D9x parts, but it would be a safe bet to say these will be the GeForce 9xxx-series cards.

D9M will add PCIe 2.0 support, DirectX 10.1, wider memory controllers (up to 128-bits) and will be based on a 65nm silicon.  D9P, the likely 8600-series replacement, adds the same features as D9M, but the memory controller width will top out at 256-bits.

D9E, the enthusiast component slated to replace the GeForce 8800-series, will incorporate all of the features of D9P and add a 512-bit memory bus. NVIDIA is holding its cards close on D9E, and has not provided any other guidance or release date.


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9th gen yeah right
By ElFenix on 11/8/2007 3:34:27 PM , Rating: -1
i'm guessing this part is really gen 8.5.

nvidia generations
1: quadratic surfaces chip that was a failure (NV1 and NV2)
2: riva 128
3: tnt
4: geforce 256
5: geforce3
6: geforce fx
7: geforce 6000 series
8: geforce 8000 series




RE: 9th gen yeah right
By yacoub on 11/8/2007 3:44:00 PM , Rating: 2
Where to TNT2, GeForce 4000 series, and GeForce 5000 series fit on your chart? Just curious which numbers you lump them under.


RE: 9th gen yeah right
By yacoub on 11/8/2007 3:44:18 PM , Rating: 2
to/do


RE: 9th gen yeah right
By therealnickdanger on 11/8/2007 4:46:16 PM , Rating: 2
Here's a review of the "new" GTS SSC. It appears to be beaten by the new 512MB 8800GT in most scenarios except in the highest resolutions and with DX10 games. NVIDIA, what are you thinking?

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canu...


RE: 9th gen yeah right
By opterondo on 11/9/2007 1:40:48 AM , Rating: 2
"what are you thinking?"

sell old stagnant products to dummies at high prices before we unveil next-gen -- rinse & repeat

GTS SSC is technically older than 65nm 112 SP GT card


RE: 9th gen yeah right
By ElFenix on 11/8/07, Rating: 0
RE: 9th gen yeah right
By omnicronx on 11/8/2007 6:26:51 PM , Rating: 3
Not quite true, although the TNT2 and GF4 were essentially clock increases, gf2 was not just added speed.
The GF2 included; a second texture map unit, a high definition video processor, and actually included an early version of pixel shaders, even though they were not used.

GF3 also added dx8.1 compatibility..

and GF4 depending on the version you got was either a modified GF3, or a modified GF256(geforce4mx).


RE: 9th gen yeah right
By TheGreatGrapeApe on 11/8/2007 8:34:41 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
GF3 also added dx8.1 compatibility..


Actually the GF3 and GF4 are only DX8.0


RE: 9th gen yeah right
By opterondo on 11/9/2007 1:52:39 AM , Rating: 2
GEFORCE4 TI
PRODUCT OVERVIEW
09.02v03

http://www.nvidia.com/object/LO_20020204_8232.html

• API support

° Complete DirectX® support, including
DirectX 8.1
° Complete DirectX® support, including
DirectX 8.1
° Complete DirectX® support, including
DirectX 8.1

° Full OpenGL® 1.3 support


COMPATIBILITY

• NVIDIA Unified Driver Architecture (UDA)
• Fully compliant professional OpenGL 1.3
API with NVIDIA extensions, on all Linux
and Windows operating systems
• WHQL-certified for Windows XP, Windows
Me, Windows 2000, Windows NT, and
Windows 98
• Complete Linux XFree86 drivers
• MAC 9/X OS support

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RE: 9th gen yeah right
By SlyNine on 11/9/2007 2:30:02 AM , Rating: 2
man what I wouldnt give to have one of those beasts. lol


RE: 9th gen yeah right
By ElFenix on 11/9/2007 11:27:46 AM , Rating: 2
i did mention added 'pipes' as being a mark of a half gen product, and the extra texture units would fall under that. the GF2 added little to the 3D featureset over the GF256. (high def video processor is outside of that, and, as you admitted, the early pixel shaders weren't used).

the GF3 was a full generational step (adding full dx8.1 compatibility, a big step to the 3D featureset). that's why i've listed it that way.

i don't count the MX as a version of the main chip, because, as you point out, they're not.


RE: 9th gen yeah right
By KristopherKubicki (blog) on 11/8/2007 3:51:03 PM , Rating: 3
I think if you start counting at GeForce 256 the generations line up easier.


RE: 9th gen yeah right
By ElFenix on 11/8/07, Rating: 0
RE: 9th gen yeah right
By cobalt42 on 11/9/2007 3:28:29 PM , Rating: 3
The reason you have to start counting at the GeForce line (other than the fact that by name the TNT wasn't a GeForce) is that the GeForce was the first one to include transform and lighting acceleration. Previous cards were just rasterization accelerators.


RE: 9th gen yeah right
By cleco on 11/8/2007 4:16:35 PM , Rating: 2
so like mention before you missed out on a couple:

Geforce 2
Geforce 7


RE: 9th gen yeah right
By ElFenix on 11/8/2007 4:25:51 PM , Rating: 2
those are half gen steps.

the half gen steps have been characterized by making the features added with the full gen steps playable and useful.

which is why i think this upcoming 9 series will actually be a half gen. it'll make DX10 stuff (more) playable.


RE: 9th gen yeah right
By KristopherKubicki (blog) on 11/8/2007 4:28:29 PM , Rating: 2
True, although they will be adding DX10.1 support. I don't really know what's involved with DX10.1, but I suspect it's not too architecturally difficult as ATI is doing it on RV670, which is essentially just a die shrink on R600.


RE: 9th gen yeah right
By ElFenix on 11/8/2007 4:32:19 PM , Rating: 2
maybe it's a 3/4 gen product, then. like 2.75G cellular service.

i could be completely wrong. i'm just going by nvidia's history here.


RE: 9th gen yeah right
By techyguy on 11/9/2007 5:29:16 AM , Rating: 2
We will probably have Shader FX 5 and some shadow acceleration. That is a lot more than what separates the 2007 generation from 2006 model cars.

What else can Nvidia do. They are waiting for Direct X 11. Microsoft is waiting for games to catch up to Direct X 10. While developers wanted a Vista OS that was actually easier to program for.

Maybe physics processing that actually works would be helpful. But isn't that the road quad cores are taking?


RE: 9th gen yeah right
By Ard on 11/8/2007 5:33:19 PM , Rating: 5
I think they mean 9th generation as in the GeForce line.

1st - GeForce 256
2nd - GeForce 2
3rd - GeForce 3 (new)
4th - GeForce 4 (refresh)
5th - GeForce FX (new)
6th - GeForce 6x00 (new)
7th - GeForce 7x00 (new)
8th - GeForce 8x00 (new)
9th - D9M/P/E

The 8.5th gen would be G92/G98, which are the refresh parts. NVIDIA's latest codenames (G70, G80) also seemed to correspond...with the exception of G92/G98 obviously. Even if we use your list of generations, D9 would still be 9th generation...though you're missing the GF7 series.


RE: 9th gen yeah right
By retrospooty on 11/8/2007 9:02:11 PM , Rating: 2
I think you got it right. =)


RE: 9th gen yeah right
By ElFenix on 11/9/2007 11:15:30 AM , Rating: 2
the GF 7 series is still a warmed over GF 6 series.


RE: 9th gen yeah right
By Ard on 11/14/2007 12:19:14 AM , Rating: 2
Well, I don't know if I'd go that far. G70 has some serious improvements over NV40. The only real reason why G70 is sometimes thought of as a refresh part is because NV40 didn't have an actual refresh (all NV45 did was integrate the PCIe bridge into the die).


RE: 9th gen yeah right
By ElFenix on 11/9/2007 11:28:45 AM , Rating: 2
and yes, if they mean 9th gen of 'geforce' branding, then yes, that's how it is.


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