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AMD records a loss for the third straight quarter

Earlier this week, DailyTech reported that were things were looking rosy for the Intel folks in Santa Clara, California. The company reported that its profits were up 43 percent on revenues of $10.1 billion USD.

Today, it was AMD's turn to report its Q3 earnings results. AMD recorded revenue of $1.632 billion USD -- this represented an 18 percent increase from Q2 2007. However, AMD reported an operating loss of $226 million USD and a net loss of $396 million USD -- this compares to a $611 million USD net loss for Q1 and a $600 million USD net loss for Q2.

Part of AMD's losses during Q3 can be attributed to its acquisition of ATI Technologies in 2006. The company is still reeling from the purchase and recorded a $78 million USD charge as a result. The ATI-related charge involved costs related to integration and severance packages. Another $42 million USD charge was recorded in relation to Spansion.

On a more positive note, the introduction of ATI's Radeon HD 2000 series GPUs resulted in a 29 percent increase in graphics revenue to $252 million USD. AMD also noted that its Radeon HD 2000 series GPUs are now featured in desktop and notebook systems from Dell, HP, Lenovo and Toshiba.

During 2007, AMD has racked up enormous debt and experienced losses in every quarter. Former ATI president CEO Dave Orton left in July after successfully leading the charge to integrate the two tech companies. AMD also lost executive vice president and chief sales and marketing officer Henri Richard in late November. The following month, AMD vice president of worldwide sales Rick Hegberg packed his bags and headed for the door.

AMD still has room for improvement in the form of its new quad-core 65nm Barcelona architecture. The company launched its Barcelona-based Opteron server processors in early September with speeds up to 2.0GHz. 2.3GHz models are in the pipeline for Q4 2007.

Quad-core desktop Phenom 2.2GHz (Phenom 9500) and 2.4GHz (Phenom 9600) processors will launch late next month, while a 2.6GHz (Phenom 9700) processor will be ready for December. AMD will later tackle the high-end desktop market with the Phenom FX-82 during the first half of 2008.

AMD also threw a bit of a curve ball with the announcement of a triple-core Phenom processor family. The triple-core processors logically fit between AMD's dual-core and quad-core offerings and will bring "true multi-core technology to a broader audience," according to the company.

The next few months won't be easy for AMD, however. Although it has a new CPU architecture on tap, Intel is not standing still. Intel is always one step ahead of AMD when it comes to process technology and its 45nm Penryn-based Xeon processors will launch November 12, while its Penryn-based desktop processors should be available before the end of the year.

In addition, Intel will refresh its 45nm architecture in the summer of 2008 with Nehalem, while a 32nm refresh called Westmere will be in place for 2009.



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RE: AMD Doomed
By Justin Case on 10/19/2007 1:55:04 PM , Rating: 3
The top end is not where most of the sales are. It might be relevant for gamers and few other specific groups, but companies ordering thousands of PCs for their offices couldn't care less about who has the fastest CPU; they'll buy the cheapest system that is "good enough". And defining that "good enough" concept is the job of the marketing departments (which is one of AMD's biggests weaknesses, IMO).

As to "RIP AMD", well... they have a bigger market share now than they had in the K7 days, they have deals with lots of major OEMs which were Intel-only until not very long ago, they have a decent share of the desktop market and a very significant share in the server and HPC market (up from approximately 0% not too long ago). Oh, and they now have a high-end GPU and chipset division. They are struggling to pay for their own expansion (buying ATI, fab upgrades, etc.), but news of their death are greatly exaggerated.


RE: AMD Doomed
By knipfty on 10/19/2007 2:56:17 PM , Rating: 1
Expect that the top end determines the price of the entire line up. As long as Intel in the drivers seat, AMD will continue to lose money.

They are bleeding cash; Intel is making money. How long can AMD hang on and still be a viable concern? A year from now, you will have your answer...


RE: AMD Doomed
By xti on 10/19/2007 4:03:19 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Expect that the top end determines the price of the entire line up


no...there is a price war that helps determine the prices of their models/lines with their obvious competitor and vice versa.

its not like they say "ok - top of the line is $1,000, and we have 6 models, lets take off $100 per model".


RE: AMD Doomed
By afkrotch on 10/20/2007 2:30:48 AM , Rating: 2
High-end gpu and chipset division. When has ATI ever made a good or decent chipset?

Bigger market share doesn't necessarily mean bigger profit margins, especially if Intel keeps prices low. AMD needs to shift all their procs over to 65nm and then to 45nm at the same time Intel does to be able to generate decent profits.


RE: AMD Doomed
By Justin Case on 10/20/2007 10:51:38 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
High-end gpu and chipset division. When has ATI ever made a good or decent chipset?


Well, until not too long ago they made the best chipsets for Intel platforms, for a start. And what exactly is wrong with the RD580 + SB600 chipset, for example...?

quote:
Bigger market share doesn't necessarily mean bigger profit margins


I think you're missing the point. Bigger market share means they can afford to have lower margins and still have more profits. And, typically, a smaller process also means bigger margins. When was the last time Intel was behind in process technology...?

Saying that "AMD needs to move to 45 nm at the same time as Intel" is easy. Actually doing it is a bit harder. You might as well say that Transmeta "needs a x86 CPU that's competitive with the K8 and Core2". That takes time and costs money. And when you start at a disadvantage, the only way to catch up to to take chances. Which is exactly what AMD is doing right now.

Personally, I don't care much about AMD's (or Intel's) stock price. I buy the platform that gives me best value for money. Right now that means AMD for 2S servers and above, Intel for high-end 1S systems and laptops, and either one for mid-range desktops (if you compare systems at the same price level, they're very even, regardless of what fanbois on either camp will have you believe).


RE: AMD Doomed
By crystal clear on 10/20/2007 4:44:35 AM , Rating: 2
Track record of Intel for this quater-

Intel shipped more than 2 million quad core processors during the quarter and now offers
more than 20 quad-core processor designs.
(Note the quantities & choices offered)

• Intel introduced the industry's first quad-core processors specifically designed for multiprocessor
(MP) servers, delivering twice the performance and three times the performanceper-
watt of the company's previous-generation products. The introduction completes the
company’s transition to the energy-efficient Intel® Core™ microprocessor architecture.


http://media.corporate-ir.net/media_files/irol/10/...

Now compare the above with AMD-All ever changing road maps/All announcements & paper launches/Always delayed new product releases.

Severe shortages of Barcelonaa, not due to heavy demand rather slow manufacturing & bad market distribution policies.

Refer to my comments on this -

http://www.dailytech.com/AMD+Sheds+Additional+Phen...

The technological lead plus the market share lead puts Intel 1 year ahead of AMD in all segments of the market.

AMD plays the catching up role whilst Intel plays the catch me if you can role -good luck

The momemt Intel releases the 45nm series all other previous versions in the high end catergories become mainstream & the current mainstream becomes the low end

The current low end is cleared out in massive price cuts/deals with OEMs or dumped into India/China markets that absorb them greedily due to HUGE DEMAND for their high end CPUs which by the way is your low end.

At the Intel Developer Forum (IDF), the company announced that the world’s first 45nm
microprocessors, based on Intel’s breakthrough 45nm Hi-k metal gate chip technology, will
be introduced Nov. 12. The company demonstrated its second-generation 45nm
microprocessor architecture, code-named Nehalem, which is on track for production in the
second half of next year. Intel also announced the production of test chips based on the
company’s next-generation, 32nm process technology, scheduled for 2009.


Link- same as above.

If all the above it not enough for AMD,you have the price wars that leave no profit margins on their CPUs.

AMD is preoccupied with inventory clearance/inventory sales-
gainig marketshare but no profitshare.

quote:
defining that "good enough" concept is the job of the marketing departments (which is one of AMD's biggests weaknesses, IMO).


The good enough concept means -

Technology+Quality+PRICES+Delivery schedules etc

Intels high end Cpus are fast becomoing their(Intel) low end Cpus-(Prices + quality + quantity)

Marketing depts can sell what they have in hand & not what they DONT have.
Marketing depts can sell provided the production dept can deliver in time & in quantities.

Intel outpaces AMD in your concept of good enough.

The facts speak for themselves.


RE: AMD Doomed
By Justin Case on 10/20/2007 10:27:59 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Intel outpaces AMD in your concept of good enough.


Looks like you completely missed the point.


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