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Canadian dollar finally acknowledged as more than just funny money

Early this morning, word of the 40GB PlayStation 3’s release date came from Jack Tretton, revealing that the new SKU will be launching on November 2. Shortly after, Sony Computer Entertainment America sent out an official press release confirming its president’s words.

As Tretton noted earlier, the 40GB PlayStation 3 will start selling on November 2 at $399. As many have been expecting, the 80GB will be priced at $499 – effective immediately.

In a move that is sure to delight Canadian gamers, SCEA is pricing its consoles nearly on par with the current U.S./Canadian dollar exchange rate. Gamers in Canada who once were looking at 80GB PS3 consoles for $699 each will now be able to pick them up for $499 – the same price paid as their U.S. counterparts. The 40GB PS3 will also be available in Canada for $399.

“We're pleased to offer the consumer a lower price point without sacrificing the core technology components that make PS3 the most advanced high-definition entertainment system available. Every PS3 comes with a Blu-ray drive, HDMI output, an integrated Wi-Fi connection, Cell Broadband Engine and a built-in hard-drive,” said Jack Tretton, President and CEO, SCEA.

The 40GB PlayStation will be equipped with two fewer USB ports and no memory card reader, which are available on the 80GB model, as a further cost-reducing measure.

Sony’s press release also confirms that each 40GB PS3 will come bundled with the movie Spider-Man 3 Blu-ray Disc courtesy of Sony Pictures Home Entertainment. From Sony’s announcement, it appears as though the movie pack-in applies only to the 40GB model. In Japan, however, the Spider-Man 3 promotion applies to new PS3 purchases of the 20, 40 and 60GB hardware.

SCEA was not shy to reveal that new 40GB PS3 will no longer play PlayStation 2 titles, and explained that the new model is “reflecting the availability of a more extensive line-up of PS3 specific titles.” Sony urged consumers looking for backwards compatibility to “take advantage of the limited PlayStation 2 backwards compatibility of the 80GB PS3.”

DailyTech recommends that gamers truly looking for backwards compatibility to look for a 60GB PlayStation 3, which is the by far the best choice for those looking to play PS2 games upscaled to 1080p. Retailers with remaining 60GB PS3 stock may start selling their product at a further discount.

Canadian retailer Future Shop has already reduced the price of the 60GB PS3 to $479.99, and Best Buy Canada is expected to sell the same console at $449.99 starting Friday.

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Backward compatibility is a terrible idea.
By dtuser on 10/18/2007 5:45:58 PM , Rating: 4
I can't believe people are complaining about BC being removed because I hated it when Sony added BC to the PS2. It's a complete waste of time and money. Trying to get 1000s of old games running on a new system using software emulation is very difficult. Stuffing chips from previous systems is not an elegant solution. What are they going to do 2 or 3 generations from now? Have a whole mess of chips from previous systems in the latest system? It's just stupid. I don't care if upscales or adds nicer textures they're still old games, there's only so much you can do.

The real future of playing old games is not BC, but porting and reselling as downloads. It's easier, more reliable and profitable.

By T4RTER S4UCE on 10/18/2007 6:19:07 PM , Rating: 2
That is the most sense I have heard all week.

By GhandiInstinct on 10/18/2007 6:31:41 PM , Rating: 2
dtuser, we need your rationale and logic in the white house NOW.

By BansheeX on 10/18/2007 6:56:53 PM , Rating: 1
My feelings about BC are nearly identical. I can definitely live with my PS2 for old games if it means simplifying the PS3 and making it cheaper. Eventually, though, I would like PC emulation to replace the PS2 for its digital video quality and upscaling abilities. If only Sony released hardware documentation for the PS1/PS2 to the community. If they don't want to spend time on it, they could make it easier for others... but we all know how companies are about stuff like this.

By Oregonian2 on 10/18/2007 7:39:26 PM , Rating: 4
Depends what they want to get roasted for. If they're not BC then they'd get roasted for that too. Some folk would rather replace their old box rather than adding yet another one next to previous ones -- especially when the box is new and there's not much natively available for it yet.

RE: Backward compatibility is a terrible idea.
By ruibing on 10/18/07, Rating: 0
By afkrotch on 10/18/2007 8:32:26 PM , Rating: 3
I'd much rather have one console than a PS1, PS2, and PS3 in my living room. I use to have two PS2s. One Japanese and one US. Now I'm down to one. A US PS2 and a Japanese PS3. Add in a Japanese Xbox 360 and soon to have a US Xbox 360. The less clutter I have is a good thing.

I think having BC is a good thing, for a limited time though. There comes a point where it should just be dropped. Sony is making a good move by dropping BC from the PS3, but I think it's still a little too early. I think a better time would have been Q3 2008.

By BladeVenom on 10/18/2007 8:24:41 PM , Rating: 5
Doesn't any remember that Sony said backwards compatibility was very important and criticized the 360 for only having software emulation? You know how many Sony fans I heard repeat the same thing a year ago?

Oceania Has Always Been at War With Eurasia.

RE: Backward compatibility is a terrible idea.
By GoodBytes on 10/18/2007 8:28:31 PM , Rating: 2
Well Nintendo got it right ;)
Yes, it's hardware architecture is the same or very similar as the GameCube, but hey! it's a new console, and they made it right. And their virtual consoles works surprising well!

RE: Backward compatibility is a terrible idea.
By afkrotch on 10/18/07, Rating: -1
RE: Backward compatibility is a terrible idea.
By Spivonious on 10/19/2007 8:40:20 AM , Rating: 2
If you're playing online, why do you need four controllers?

By therealnickdanger on 10/19/2007 10:42:57 AM , Rating: 3
Four people can play Halo 3 on one box and join up to 12 other players on Live... So I can have some buds over and still play with the multitudes.

By afkrotch on 10/20/2007 2:28:03 AM , Rating: 2
Cause the Wii barely has online games, so I'm stuck having to have ppl over. Thus need all the controllers.

RE: Backward compatibility is a terrible idea.
By Ard on 10/18/2007 11:12:13 PM , Rating: 1
So we should just roll over and pay for content we already own? That's even stupider than Nintendo's Virtual Console.

RE: Backward compatibility is a terrible idea.
By Le Québécois on 10/18/2007 11:28:19 PM , Rating: 3
Well, in theory, if you already own those games, you also have the console to play them so I don't see where is the problem.

And I sure don't think it's anymore stupid then to "force" your customers to pay for additional cost for your console because you've included backward compatibility, even if some of those customers don't want/need it.

RE: Backward compatibility is a terrible idea.
By afkrotch on 10/18/2007 11:49:02 PM , Rating: 3
Estimated costs for BC hardware is at $20. I think majority would pay to keep it in. Much better than keeping old hardware around to play our games.

Which sounds like a better option? Having a PS2 and PS3 connected to your TV or just a single PS3? If it weren't for region coding on the PS2, I wouldn't even have one now. Here's what is connected to my TV.

US PS2, Japanese PS3, Japanese Xbox 360, Japanese Sega Saturn, US Sega Genesis, vcr, and dvd player. I had to drop down $50 for an A/V selector. I'm looking at getting a US Xbox 360 this holiday season.

I dumped my Japanese PS2, when I got the PS3. I like it a hell of a lot better too. No longer need to keep memory cards. I can just dump the save to my usb key.

By Le Québécois on 10/19/2007 12:35:36 AM , Rating: 2
I'm not saying that BC is a bad thing. I just think that leaving the choice to the customers, like Sony will be doing with the 40GB and 80GB, is a good idea. If you want to pay more and have the BC, you can have it. In the mean time, I could buy a PS3, and only a PS3 with no BC, for a lower price and be more than happy because I don't intend on using it to play PS2 games.

By euclidean on 10/19/2007 12:48:04 PM , Rating: 2
How many people out there have as many different consoles (both Japanese and US) as you do? Obviously not enough to warrant keeping BC in the "Cheap" PS3. You still have the option for BC, but your paying for it. Quit complaining about something that's not gone. If you want it, purchase the 80gb model and quit complaining.

ATTN! only the "40GB" model lost BC. The 80GB model STILL has it!

Does that help?

By BansheeX on 10/19/2007 1:50:18 PM , Rating: 2
Looks like in your situation, you need compatibility for a bunch of other systems in the PS3 for your point to even make sense. Your setup is going to be a mess with that many consoles regardless of whether the PS3 has BC.

You should also read the first post in this thread. Many years down the road, how many systems is Sony going to have to write emulators for or include hardware for under new architecture? What an absolute mess and diversion that will increasingly become.

By dtuser on 10/20/2007 1:57:54 PM , Rating: 2
$20 x 5 million = $100 million loss for Sony, in addition to the cost of developing it. The amount of money made from BC driven sales is small, probably only a few million (ie how many people wouldn't have bought a system if it didn't have BC). I doubt Sony, MS, or Nintendo actually break even on it. From a gamers point of view, it's easy to say "Yeah, it's nice.", but from a business standpoint there's no significant financial value to it. When the PS3 drops to $299 next year, nobody will be buying it to play PS2 games, just as nobody is buying an Xbox 360 or Wii to play Xbox and GameCube games. That means the small influence on sales BC has, only lasts about 18-24 months. It's not worth it.

Also, if the next consoles get rid of physical media, are all the people who say BC is important going to demand an optical drive?

By Locutus465 on 10/19/2007 5:14:16 PM , Rating: 2
NIN VC is awesome! Why? My NES got lost years ago, even if we knew where it was I'm sure the contacts would be so corroded I'd spend 1/2 hour just trying to get the game to play... VC on the other hand? Just download and play.... As an added bonus theres a built in hack of a "save game" feature, in so far as switching back to the main wii screen saves your place in your game... That is awesome... Even if you turn off the console you're still where you left off.. This is great for NES games!

RE: Backward compatibility is a terrible idea.
By daftrok on 10/19/2007 1:30:26 AM , Rating: 2
On top of that, everyone that will buy/have bought a PS3 has a PS2 anyways. But the thing that is pointless is because they ALREADY have software emulation for most games, so why get rid of it in the first place? Also some people will want to sell their PS2 to buy the PS3, but maybe would like to play SOCOM 3 online, or any of the numerous games already. That and I wouldn't want to buy a download of a game I already have. Long story short, if they didn't have software emulation to begin with, then I would agree with you. But since they do have it for nearly 80% of their games and purposefully not having it available is just plain dumb.

RE: Backward compatibility is a terrible idea.
By mmntech on 10/19/2007 11:34:44 AM , Rating: 3
Not everybody. I just bought a PS3 and never owned a Playstation before. I'm really enjoying the PS2 games since there aren't really any decent games for the PS3 out yet.

I bought the last 60gb model Best Buy had, since it had the hardware emulation built in. The others don't. I'm a little miffed with the dollar parity thing now. I bought it for $549 Canadian, then a week later, it goes on sale for $449, $100 cheaper! Those SOBs. I'm going to go argue with them this weekend to try and get $100 back.

By daftrok on 10/19/2007 12:27:46 PM , Rating: 2
Um...if its only been a week you can return it and come back the next day and buy the cheaper version. And that is another reason why they should support it. Because people that buy a PS3 can think "Hmm, i really wanna try out God of War after I finish playing Resistance, Motorstorm, The Darkness, Skate, Heavenly Sword (rent this one don't buy it), etc. I wanna try out God of War, God of War 2, Grand Theft Auto, Gran Turismo, Devil May Cry, Final Fantasy, etc" but because of their idiocy people won't have a chance to do so. Ah, well.

RE: Backward compatibility is a terrible idea.
By BansheeX on 10/19/2007 1:55:24 PM , Rating: 2
I don't think your post is correct. PS1 is purely software emulation. PS2 was always partial. Some hardware was needed to even make games playable. Pure software emulation for PS2 has never been available, so they're not taking this out for no reason because it never existed.

By daftrok on 10/19/2007 8:07:39 PM , Rating: 2
I do remember something like this, but I believe the hardware was in fact the Cell processor. Either case, the thing they removed had to be quite minimal and doubtful it really cost that much, reason being the Emotion Engine costs roughly 20 dollars to place in the PS3 and they removed that. Either way, I'm hanging on my PS2 until I finish Manhunt 2 and Budokai Tenkaichi 3 and then I'm getting the 20 GB PS3 off Amazon for 300. w00t

By dwalton on 10/19/2007 12:40:27 PM , Rating: 4
I always thought that BC was a minor feature that only resonated with small fraction of gamers.

But Sony shot themselves in the foot with all the hoopla about how their BC was through hardware and much better than the 360's software emulation.

By Wolfpup on 10/22/2007 3:45:37 PM , Rating: 2
I couldn't disagree more. For one thing, the inability to play older games on new hardware hurts games as an art form. For another, the lack of BC hurts developers abilities to continue developing for an older system.

From a practical standpoint, the Playstation 2 and 3 are now wholly separate systems-the PS3 has to live or die on it's own. I for one have lost all interest in it now. It's true backwards compatibility was the one thing that had me still considering it despite an inferior game lineup compared to PC and 360.

With that gone, I'll have to pick up a spare PS2 at some point in the hopes of keeping access to my library indefinitely. But I now have no reason to buy a PS3 unless it actually had an exclusive game I really wanted.

As far as I'm concerned this is Sony's stupidest move yet. At the least, I'd prefer if if they're call the system something else.

By mdogs444 on 10/18/2007 5:32:20 PM , Rating: 2
Finally, something happens where the Canadians are complaining about how the US gets everything for cheap.

But dont get me wrong, Im happy that they arent getting ripped off anymore than we are now.

RE: ha
By stburke on 10/18/2007 5:58:01 PM , Rating: 5

RE: ha
By mdogs444 on 10/18/2007 6:00:44 PM , Rating: 2
Geez, i should have previewed what i wrote...

I meant that finally something good happens so Canandians can stop complaining that they have to pay more for a product than americans....

RE: ha
By arazok on 10/18/2007 6:16:28 PM , Rating: 1
I'll still complain about the plethora of other products that are not priced competitively.

RE: ha
By spindoc on 10/18/2007 6:20:15 PM , Rating: 2
What about the price of cars? Complaints in Canada have turned into Class action law suit(s) against car companies for gouging or price fixing or whatever you want to call it.

RE: ha
By mdogs444 on 10/18/2007 6:24:29 PM , Rating: 2
I was only talking about this product in particular, not the entire canadian economy.

RE: ha
By Gul Westfale on 10/18/2007 10:29:36 PM , Rating: 2
finally we get price parity... hopefully other products will be added to that list soon, like prices for games/controllers. here in montreal many people go shopping across the border on weekends because their dollar buys more in the US.

RE: ha
By cochy on 10/19/2007 10:28:17 AM , Rating: 2
Hmmm like magazines and books...


That stopped making sense 15 years ago.

RE: ha
By UNCjigga on 10/19/2007 4:54:19 PM , Rating: 2
Don't forget your 15% sales tax in some locales (8% provincial sales tax + 7% GST).

RE: ha
By Shftup on 10/18/2007 6:17:32 PM , Rating: 3
Agreed - now if we can get the same love from the Auto industry.

I will be buying a PS3 at best buy for 449.99 this weekend.

RE: ha
By rmaharaj on 10/18/2007 9:13:44 PM , Rating: 2
Yes, Sony deserves some respect for stepping up and giving Canadians a fair price rather than just letting the additional revenue pour in. Hopefully Microsoft will follow and cut prices on the 360 as well as its accessories and Microsoft-published games.

RE: ha
By Devo2007 on 10/19/2007 2:05:17 AM , Rating: 2
I agree with you there -- right now, the 40GB PS3 is priced the same as an XBox 360 Premium edition.

RE: ha
By Taft12 on 10/18/07, Rating: 0
RE: ha
By Le Québécois on 10/18/2007 10:50:10 PM , Rating: 2
In a way, you're right. It's not really a deal for us because our dollar is worth a little bit more than the USD right now. But I prefer to pay the same price has they do in the US than pay an average of 20% more for the same thing like we do right now for most of our products.

In fact, I've been waiting for a while for the dollar parity to come because I need a new computer:).

RE: ha
By afkrotch on 10/18/07, Rating: -1
RE: ha
By cdrsft on 10/19/2007 8:37:42 AM , Rating: 2
uh.... we do?

RE: ha
By Spivonious on 10/19/2007 8:42:17 AM , Rating: 2
Depending on your language of choice

Quebec <> Canada


Quebec != Canada

RE: ha
By cochy on 10/19/2007 10:30:33 AM , Rating: 1
last I checked

<> and != meant the same thing :P

RE: ha
By omnicronx on 10/19/2007 10:51:16 AM , Rating: 2
Obviously he made a typo, he obviously doesn't know they mean the same thing</sarcasm>.. He obviously meant to put Canada > Quebec

RE: ha
By Etsp on 10/19/2007 12:00:25 PM , Rating: 2
Well duh, Quebec is completely within Canada's borders, that makes it pretty hard for Canada to be smaller than Quebec. =P

And you are all wrong...!= == <>


One Movie bribe and I'll by a PS3
By ChipDude on 10/18/2007 6:17:22 PM , Rating: 2
Jackie boy, its about the games, not one movie will sway the general public to buy a PS3.

1) Need to drop price a lot and make up a few million in sales

2) Once you have a large enough installed base maybe the developers will start developing some games

3) Once you got games, maybe sales will take off.

Opps you don't have 1) because you don't have 3) so what are you going to do? Drop the price a little, bundle a movie? Maybe take out backward compatibility to force people that buy to buy more PS3 games? Brilliance, why didn't you keep the price low at the start, keep backward compatiblity and leverage your 40 million PS2 base. You'd have about 2-4 million sales and more games in the pipe already Jackie boy

RE: One Movie bribe and I'll by a PS3
By mars777 on 10/18/2007 7:07:15 PM , Rating: 2
People whine even when they do something good. I don't get it :)

RE: One Movie bribe and I'll by a PS3
By afkrotch on 10/18/2007 8:45:51 PM , Rating: 2
Who the hell is Jackie Boy and why does ChipDude talk like a moron?

RE: One Movie bribe and I'll by a PS3
By ChipDude on 10/18/2007 9:31:33 PM , Rating: 2
Jack Tretton, President and CEO, SCEA.

Sorry it went above your head

By afkrotch on 10/18/2007 11:00:47 PM , Rating: 2
Last I checked Howard Stringer was a hell of a lot more important as he is the Chairman and CEO of all of Sony.

RE: One Movie bribe and I'll by a PS3
By Chaser on 10/19/2007 4:45:40 PM , Rating: 2
There's a few on here that will always have some complaint to rant. Obviously they'll never buy one regardless of the price or anything else.

If BC is so incredibly important to some theres a device called a PS2 that can be had cheaply.

"Jackie boy" and company funded R&D and also production of all new hardware, a new media format and more. I don't think he's as crushed as you are about playing PS2 games on a PS3.

Hold your brilliant marketing forecasts until after the holidays. A $399.00 PS3 was a very smart movie. Well at least for those that complained about "price".

RE: One Movie bribe and I'll by a PS3
By cochy on 10/19/2007 10:32:19 AM , Rating: 2
A movie is a nice touch. Too bad Spider-man 3 was absolutely trash !!!

By Razgriz20 on 10/19/2007 2:40:24 PM , Rating: 2
Maybe if they put in the trilogy then people will be more tempted to buy it.

Upscaled PS2 games
By Murst on 10/18/2007 6:15:33 PM , Rating: 2
DailyTech recommends that gamers truly looking for backwards compatibility to look for a 60GB PlayStation 3, which is the by far the best choice for those looking to play PS2 games upscaled to 1080p

Can you please explain how to do this? I have the 60GB version, yet I was unable to find any settings that would allow me to upscale the PS2 games. The only two options I have is "stretch" and "smooth" (and "smooth" is not upscaling).

RE: Upscaled PS2 games
By Marcus Yam on 10/18/2007 6:25:12 PM , Rating: 2
Do you have the latest firmware? I don't recall the exact steps, but I believe that it's fairly obvious where the settings are.

You might even be able to manipulate the scaling options even while in-game with the press of the PS button. I'm not near my PS3 right now, but I can check when I am.

RE: Upscaled PS2 games
By kyp275 on 10/18/2007 9:34:04 PM , Rating: 2
aye, you need to update the firmware to get access to the upscale option, as it's not included in the earlier firmwares. Once you get it, it should be under game settings, the first option in the settings bar.

By omnicronx on 10/18/2007 8:38:56 PM , Rating: 2
Holly shit, Sony actually dropped its price to the 360premium in Canada. I will probably pick one up near Christmas for the blue-ray player alone. Too bad there are still no games, some look good on the horizon though.

RE: Wow?
By Enigmatic on 10/19/2007 12:09:56 AM , Rating: 2
Now all Microsoft has to do is realize that the Canadian dollar is on par with the American dollar (though in all fairness there are a multitude of other companies who need to recognize this fact as well). Though the Xbox 360 is the better console due to games the PS3 is a very good deal nonetheless. It would be nice if Microsoft could lower the price of the 360 in Canada, as I would like to think that Canada is an important segment of the market.

Taking Action
By Alpha4 on 10/18/2007 11:22:10 PM , Rating: 2
I've done my best to observe the PS3/360 console war from all angles since the beginning and I've since adopted the perspective of it playing out like a Real Time Strategy.

In many ways its more of an RTS than RTS's of course, but in this case I find it akin to a game of Starcraft or some such. I see Sony as moving their pieces at over 200 actions per minute, or apm, in an arena where the opposition enjoys a liesurely speed of around 60-80. In other words for every move Microsoft makes to gain market share Sony makes two moves;
MS releases a new SKU, Sony releases two. MS drops price of SKU's and bundles games, Sony drops prices further and bundles 5 Blu-Ray movies and more recently Spider-Man 3. MS releases a killer app, Sony hypes up two of them. (MGS4 & LittleBigPlanet at TGS '07. Though the demonstrations were developer-sponsored Sony still had a presence)

Other examples of taking action are cost-cutting endeavours such as removing backward compatibility or shrinking dies (dice?), and hyping a game and releasing a game are hardly the same thing, but the point is Sony is constantly doing something to stay in the spotlight. At the very least I respect SCEI's management for trying.

It's a sign
By Roffles on 10/19/2007 12:27:17 AM , Rating: 2
I jumped on the 60GB for $499 bandwagon. There have not been enough games to keep me content, but I'm happy to use my ps3 for blueray and as a media hub between my PC and my television using Tversity.

I can only hope that a larger ownership will mean even better games and hopefully greater success of blueray so that I can get the best out of my investment. At the PS3's current pace, I feel that I may need to also own an Xbox360. I don't want to spend the extra cash just to get more new games.

$2.50 / Gig ?
By Fnoob on 10/18/07, Rating: -1
RE: $2.50 / Gig ?
By BansheeX on 10/18/2007 7:07:08 PM , Rating: 2
No, because that's not the only thing different about it. Did you even read the article? The 80Gb version also has additional hardware for PS2 compatibility, a card reader, and extra usb ports. Selling a "premium" model that actually makes a profit can help stop the bleeding. If you don't think it's worth it, don't buy that model. I won't be either.

RE: $2.50 / Gig ?
By Le Québécois on 10/18/2007 7:11:10 PM , Rating: 2
I guess you missed the part where they say that the 40Gb PS3 is NOT backward compatible with PS2 games, doesn't have memory card reader and just two USB ports.

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