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Microsoft makes its IE7 browser available to a wider audience

In a surprise move, Microsoft has issued a new build of Internet Explorer 7 (IE7) to customers that can be installed on any machine running Windows XP or Windows Server 2003 -- IE7 is already included in Windows Vista operating systems.

IE7 was previously reserved for customers using genuine copies of Windows-based operating systems and was protected by Microsoft's Windows Genuine Advantage (WGA) validation software.

"Because Microsoft takes its commitment to help protect the entire Windows ecosystem seriously, we’re updating the IE7 installation experience to make it available as broadly as possible to all Windows users," remarked IE7 program manager Steve Reynolds on the IE Blog. "With today’s 'Installation and Availability Update,' Internet Explorer 7 installation will no longer require Windows Genuine Advantage validation and will be available to all Windows XP users."

Microsoft is likely using this move to makes IE7 available to the broadest range of customers worldwide. Mozilla's Firefox browser has gained a lot of traction recently, and this move would give Microsoft some additional ammunition.

In addition to the removal of WGA, the latest version of IE7 brings updates to the menu bar, online tour and a new MSI installer for IT administrators.

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Is it enough?
By daftrok on 10/5/2007 6:56:30 PM , Rating: 2
Granted Mozilla does have memory leaking issues, but other than that it is an incredibly fast browser for Windows (and Apple). The fact that you can block ANYTHING using Ad Block Plus, that you can download flv using download helper, that you can run IE tab so you can run Internet Explorer on pages that don't work properly, the insane amounts of customization makes it a SUPERIOR browser. IE7 may be more open to people, but it still won't stop the already 400 million+ users out there from using it.

RE: Is it enough?
By daftrok on 10/5/2007 6:58:06 PM , Rating: 3
By "it" I mean Mozilla Firefox.

RE: Is it enough?
By TomZ on 10/5/2007 7:20:51 PM , Rating: 2
I'm so sick of hearing browsing testimonials. Can't we just assume everyone loves their browser best and get on with it?

RE: Is it enough?
By RamarC on 10/5/2007 7:36:36 PM , Rating: 4
I'm so sick of hearing browsing testimonials. Can't we just assume everyone loves their browser best and get on with it?

agreed... it's just a frickin' web browser. i know guys more picky (and passionate) about their browser than they are about their girlfriend.

RE: Is it enough?
By BladeVenom on 10/5/2007 7:45:51 PM , Rating: 4
But when you look at the code (genetic) women are all 99.9% the same. The browser are much different.

RE: Is it enough?
By spluurfg on 10/6/2007 5:32:13 AM , Rating: 4
and browsers are free!

RE: Is it enough?
By codeThug on 10/6/2007 11:20:49 AM , Rating: 5

When I kill my browser, I get my leaked memory back...

RE: Is it enough?
By Ringold on 10/5/2007 8:29:39 PM , Rating: 2
Those type of guys have girlfriends and wives?

If I had boobs, sorry to say, I wouldn't play second fiddle to a browser, but that's just me. :P

RE: Is it enough?
By ebakke on 10/6/2007 12:04:58 AM , Rating: 5
I hear there's a surgery for that.

RE: Is it enough?
By jajig on 10/6/2007 12:38:25 AM , Rating: 5
You've obviously never been in a long term relationship.

RE: Is it enough?
By Ringold on 10/6/2007 2:44:32 PM , Rating: 3
Sorry, but even a dog is more interesting to interact with than Firefox. Or IE.

And women can do a bit more than roll over.. although... nevermind.

RE: Is it enough?
By Screwballl on 10/6/2007 11:44:27 AM , Rating: 4
1) a browser doesn't ask "does this make me look fat?"
2) a browser doesn't get jealous if you use or play with other browsers, even at the same time
3) a browser is made to be easy all the time for as long as you have it
4) you can set your browser to forget whatever you want
5) a browser can be dressed up how YOU want
6) you can update a browser in a few minutes to make it better and your additions added can be as permanent as you like
7) a browser can be used and played with almost anywhere... legally
8) you can kill a browser and bring it back to life
9) you don't have to pay for a browser (in most cases)
10) a browser goes where you want it to and not where it wants to go (unless its sick)

and yes I have been married long enough to enjoy making jokes about the differences between women and whatever

/end sarcasm/

RE: Is it enough?
By Quiescent on 10/6/2007 2:57:13 PM , Rating: 5
1. I don't ask that question
2. Yes they do, their way is the next time you open them, they say: "Currently this is not your default browser, would you like to make this your default browser?" This can sometimes be disabled, but still.
3. No it's not. Browsers can be very picky and difficult like females. Take for instance for the fact I can't run PJIRC in Firefox without Firefox messing up.
4. Sure, you can. I agree. But you can do some brainwashing and other techniques to make anybody forget stuff.
5. So can females. Why else do they ask you if what they wear makes them look fat. I always ask my boyfriend for a bit of advice on stuff.
6. Updating doesn't always make things better. Why do you think there are websites out there for you to revert back to an older version of applications? Firefox is just one of those things where it got some real good stuff going to 2.x, but it came with some problems too.
7. Not anywhere. Imagine that you live in Israel. Or China. They're restricting their stuff. And you can't look at child porn, can you? So there is some things illegal to do. However, you could get in trouble for using a portable browser on someone else's computer.
8. Depends how you kill the browser. If you're going to be gorey, I might suggest a re-installation, else it won't work.
9. Yeah you do. You have to pay time. And time for those extra special times when your browser is being a lovely PAIN IN THE ASS.
10. Perhaps true. I have no comment. :(

RE: Is it enough?
By BrightMoon on 10/6/07, Rating: 0
RE: Is it enough?
By Quiescent on 10/6/2007 5:38:28 PM , Rating: 1
2. Yeah. I do set it to default and shut everything else off to STFU about it.
5. Oh I am sure there are females out there who would wear stuff
7. I know some one who lives in Israel who cannot access

I call that one Lynx.

RE: Is it enough?
By oab on 10/8/2007 12:28:12 AM , Rating: 2
Not being able to access in Israel has nothing to do with a browser, that filtering kind of thing is done OUTSIDE the browser.

The browser, in simplest terms, fetches a specially formatted text file from somewhere inside the "internet" (though a method which I will not get into at the moment, suffice to say it happens, though it may be stored locally), and then displays it visually on your computer monitor, according to the formatting of the textfile, which is supposed to conform to some-sort of standard on how to have the information inside it be displayed.

Having a wall between your computer and the "internet cloud" block certain connections from being made has no bearing on the browser itself. If Firefox can't access it, IE can't access it, Safari can't access it, Lynx can't access it, Konqueror can't access it, Camino can't access it, Netscape can't access it, Camino can't access it, Opera can't access it, and so on, provided that block is not being done on the website itself. And since I can access DA with Firefox in North America, it's not Firefox's fault, but that person's ISP.

RE: Is it enough?
By Screwballl on 10/7/2007 2:20:26 AM , Rating: 2
cute and sarcastic.... but if that is about YOU then you are a very rare female. A majority of females are tougher to get along with than a rabid gorilla.

I myself prefer Firefox and have no problem with my usage. If something isn't working right then I find an add-on that does do it right or keep a close eye on the next update or even try the next stable beta release. Plus in cases like this where something is malfunctioning, IE is completely useless 99.99% of the time so I only keep it installed for Windows updates.
As for legal issues, using the browser is not illegal, it is the content viewed through it that may be depending on location. When looking through a neighbors window, it is not illegal but when you become a peeping tom, then the legality changes.

Thanks for the responses all, tried to keep it fun.

RE: Is it enough?
By Ryanman on 10/7/2007 2:07:16 PM , Rating: 1
you uh.... you killed the joke. It was really funny, too.

RE: Is it enough?
By KashGarinn on 10/8/2007 4:33:58 AM , Rating: 1
Seconded. Bitch stole Christmas.


RE: Is it enough?
By nangryo on 10/6/2007 4:46:12 AM , Rating: 1
I'm curious why are u so sick when some products are better than microsoft one


RE: Is it enough?
By thesid on 10/6/2007 5:45:42 AM , Rating: 2
who said anything about that?
you ppl can never get the point..

RE: Is it enough?
By Locutus465 on 10/8/2007 12:21:27 AM , Rating: 3
There is no better browser, they're all one big PITA because they won't play nicely with eachother... Some let you create DOMXL objects and let you read/write/edit XML trees all you want, others cry fowl anytime you do something that it considers changing the tree (and won't do it consitantly near as I can tell). Once we can get browsers to the point where they all render similarly and the only difference is features/speed/reliability I'll care about which one is better :)

Coming from a web programmer in case you didn't pick up on that...

RE: Is it enough?
By thesid on 10/6/2007 5:44:37 AM , Rating: 2

RE: Is it enough?
By bigboxes on 10/6/2007 7:26:05 AM , Rating: 1
Just let me know when you are tired of listening to any subject and we will ban discussion just for you. Tell ya what Tom. Just turn off your pc right now. That way you don't have to read any more bothersome opinions.

RE: Is it enough?
By ToeCutter on 10/6/2007 8:50:20 AM , Rating: 2
Just let me know when you are tired of listening to any subject and we will ban discussion just for you. Tell ya what Tom. Just turn off your pc right now. That way you don't have to read any more bothersome opinions.

Yeah, funny how the ones that "are so sick of <whatever>" are the same who post endless replies to every thread on DT.

Perhaps regular doses of Real Life™ might alleviate some of your "sickness".

And ironically, this is one of the more coherent threads on DT!

RE: Is it enough?
By mikeyD95125 on 10/6/2007 3:56:58 PM , Rating: 2
Actually a lot of people just don't know that their is another option besides IE. So people just stick with what they are used to and what they have installed. I'm sure that if everyone know about all the FF add-ons like Adblock Plus then there would be an even larger move to FF from IE.

I think its similar to another software situation. If all the people who are stuck with Microsoft works knew about Open Office they would probably switch because of the better features. So I think it is important to get the word out about software so that people know they have an option. Even if I have to type this paragraph 100 more times.

RE: Is it enough?
By BrightMoon on 10/6/2007 6:56:26 PM , Rating: 2
I support that.

If I had known about Open Office two years ago when I bought M$ Office I wouldn't even consider spending money over it. I won't make the same mistake twice though.

RE: Is it enough?
By TomZ on 10/7/2007 9:38:07 AM , Rating: 2
That would be true if Open Office didn't suck, but it does. It's fine for casual use at home, but it's slow, uses a lot of memory, and has pretty limited functionality compared to Microsoft Office.

RE: Is it enough?
By Ryanman on 10/7/2007 2:21:05 PM , Rating: 1
ah, I agree with you heare, actually. But it's not worth $150+ so that you can work 5% faster

RE: Is it enough?
By Locutus465 on 10/8/2007 12:23:10 AM , Rating: 2
It is if your job depends on working with Office Applications, and having access to custom functionality IT departments come up with for MS office... Hence OO is great for casual use, for professionals there is currently no substitue.

RE: Is it enough?
By JeffDM on 10/7/2007 4:17:43 PM , Rating: 3
Even if Open Office is "limited" in functionality, I'm sure it's still more than most people need. I've never personally run into something I needed to do that OO.o couldn't do for me.

In terms of speed and memory use, it seems to work plenty well enough on my five year old computer. It was pokey on my dad's 9yr old computer before we stopped using that and bought a newer one. Maybe if I needed to use an office app all the time, then maybe I'd consider something else, but even at work, I just use OO.o. Maybe I use that sort of app once a day.

RE: Is it enough?
By Ryanman on 10/7/07, Rating: -1
RE: Is it enough?
By jconan on 10/5/2007 7:38:47 PM , Rating: 2
Ad Block plus is quite weak without noscript. Noscript stops just about anything in its track and IE7 doesn't have this plugin.

RE: Is it enough?
By Ringold on 10/5/2007 8:31:38 PM , Rating: 2
That's probably a good thing.

I know we all want everything for free, and will steal anything digital that isn't free if we want it, but something tells me DT doesn't provide this service and this forum for free. Servers don't run on big smiles and warm hearts.

RE: Is it enough?
By jtesoro on 10/5/2007 9:40:01 PM , Rating: 2
I don't block the ads right now, but what annoys me is that a lot of the slowdowns I experience while browsing are I think related to those ads. Typically when things slow down I notice the browser trying to get to tribalfusion or adserve or some other ad site like that. It's during these times that I'm really tempted to get adblock. If they want to reduce the chance of this happening, they'd better scale up capacity somewhere.

RE: Is it enough?
By drebo on 10/6/2007 10:40:18 AM , Rating: 2
IE most certainly does have these features. They're available via third party applications, albeit, but they're out there and they work beautifully.

Case in point: I've not seen a single popup or inpage web advertisement since I started using Symantec Client Securities 5 years ago. In fact, I can dictate to the subxdomain(meaning as many subdomains down as I need to) level whether or not I want to be able to see animated GIFs, it's that granular.

But, whatever. To each his own. I prefer not to have to spend hours configuring my web browser and installing "plugins" in order to have a passable experience.

RE: Is it enough?
By Canizorro on 10/6/2007 9:54:23 AM , Rating: 2
Hmm. I use Firefox for my browsing and IE for Netflix. Will the IE tabs work properly with the instant watching feature in Netflix? Would be great if I can keep it all to one browser.

RE: Is it enough?
By yaneurabeya on 10/6/2007 3:10:44 PM , Rating: 2
Use the IETab extension with Firefox.

Just watch out for memory leakage as IETab combined with Firefox doesn't always free up the memory after IE components exit. It may be a fault with how Windows does 'garbage collection' during execution and after execution's complete for an application.

RE: Is it enough?
By Shadowmaster625 on 10/15/2007 4:27:47 PM , Rating: 2
I think their stupid activation thing with IE7 really shafted Microsoft. Just the hassle of it was enough to make me stop using IE7. And I dont miss it one bit. I dont think they'll ever recover. :P

You're right about the flv downloader... it is a very useful tool when combined with a decent flv converter. Are you able to download youtube videos with google addresses? I cant find a plugin that works for them and amazingly cant find anyone who seems to have this problem. The only workaround I know of is to click on the user's name and then find the video in their list and then it will show up as a youtube link and not a google link. But that doesnt help with those google videos which do not have a download link.

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