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LG Voyager  (Source: Verizon Wireless)

Samsung Juke  (Source: Verizon Wireless)
Verizon's murderous thoughts toward the iPhone are manifest in its shiny, faster Voyager phone

Verizon's new LG made Voyager, unveiled on Wednesday, is just in time for the holiday season. The new phone is going up against Apple’s popular iPhone and carries with plenty of ammunition for a full-on assault of Cupertino’s best.

This "iPhone killer" features a strikingly similar design to the iPhone, but it has something that the iPhone doesn't:  a faster network. The LG Voyager also hinges open to feature a full keypad and a smaller screen, for users who dislike the iPhone's tactile keypad. Other features include full Internet browsing, V CAST Video and Music access, 2MP digital camera and support for .mp3, .wma and unprotected .aac files.

"We think it'll be the best phone ... this year. It will kill the iPhone," Verizon Wireless Chief Marketing Officer Mike Lanman said in an interview.

Analyst Avi Greengart thinks this homicidal claim is a bit outlandish.  He thinks that the Voyager will likely attract many at Verizon who don't want to switch providers.  Greengart doesn't see the Voyager as hurting the iPhone's red hot sales though.

"People who want a high-end media phone and want to stay with Verizon will certainly give that one a hard look. I don't know that it would pull anybody away from an iPhone."

Perhaps, but Apple's latest draconian tactics to prevent iPhone unlocking may cause some users who were pondering an iPhone to defect to Verizon.

Verizon is focusing its guns on the iPhone, but the other three phones in the release may cause some stir as well.

The other three models are the Samsung Juke, BlackBerry Pearl, and the LG Venus.  The Juke is stylish and candy bar thin and sports 2GB of storage, A2DP Bluetooth and a 1.3 megapixel camera.  The Venus has some interesting touch screen features of its own including vibration feedback as well as a miniSD expansion, A2DP and a 2 megapixel camera.  The BlackBerry Pearl offers a 1.3 megapixel camera, BlackBerry Maps, easy-to-use email (the main draw), a fully function multimedia player and miniSD expansion.

Verizon's new phones are certainly good looking.  While it focuses on gunning down the iPhone with its LG voyager, many will likely also be drawn to the allure of the small sized Juke or the take-care-of-business-and-play-too Blackberry Pearl.

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By pauldovi on 10/3/2007 10:43:46 AM , Rating: 1
Trust me, I am no big fan of Apple. But doesn't it seem like Apple is the first to come out with a product (or the first to make it successful) and then all the other companies are left to come out with a product as direct competition.

RE: Hmmm....
By mdogs444 on 10/3/2007 10:48:09 AM , Rating: 3
Apple is by no means an "inventor" of any product. They use style and marketing to take control of immediate marketshare.

RE: Hmmm....
By retrospooty on 10/3/2007 10:51:04 AM , Rating: 3
That happened with a few products, but I wouldn't put them up on a pedestal for it. There are thousands of electronic products out there, Apple has a couple of successful lines in the iPod and iPhone. They did a good job with design, marketing and timing on them. Hats off!

As a negative point against Apple, they are unable to market their Mac platform to much more than a 5% global marketshare, when they were once a far superior product to MS/Intel offerings... They shrank and shrank for the past 15 years. The last 1 year they have grown slightly, but still not much of a global marketshare.

RE: Hmmm....
By wordsworm on 10/3/07, Rating: -1
RE: Hmmm....
By retrospooty on 10/3/2007 12:44:16 PM , Rating: 5
US- notebook sales does not equal global total sales. the region is bigger and the desktops are included in global market share.

Also, the NPD report has been widely discredited even at US-notebook sales.

RE: Hmmm....
By darkpaw on 10/3/2007 2:18:25 PM , Rating: 3
Yup, that report only included retail sales and some internet sales. It completely excluded any direct sales which eliminates almost all of dell and most corporate purchases.

That study is totally inaccurate, but doesn't stop the mac freaks from quoting it.

RE: Hmmm....
By evildorf on 10/4/2007 3:22:18 PM , Rating: 2
(just Photoshop - like I'm going to pay $999 so that I can adjust 5-10 photos a year if I can avoid it), thanks to open source software like Open Office.

Try GIMP, and you can be illegal software free. If you're really only touching up photos, it or Paint.Net are fine alternatives.

RE: Hmmm....
By Parhel on 10/5/2007 11:15:37 PM , Rating: 1
It's quite easy to obtain a pirated copy of Photoshop for Mac, and most everything else available for the Mac as well for that matter.

RE: Hmmm....
By SandmanWN on 10/3/2007 11:08:50 AM , Rating: 2
Is it me or am I missing the specs for the Voyager in this article?

I see all the specs for the other Verizon phones being released but nothing on the phone that the article is intended to showcase.


RE: Hmmm....
By crystal clear on 10/3/2007 11:31:35 AM , Rating: 2

Its only the first batch of specs... brief but informative.

RE: Hmmm....
By SandmanWN on 10/3/2007 12:01:39 PM , Rating: 5
Thanks for the link. I was just trying to point out that the author missed something.

I found it interesting that the 8GB capacity is based on expansion memory. This gives you an expansion capability in the future (faster/larger modules later, etc), and you can move data back and forth without the use of cables.

The Venus by LG also features a music player that supports .mp3, .wma and unprotected .aac files and a 2.0 megapixel camera and camcorder.

Nice open standards there on the audio front. Better camera and the camcorder addition is nice.

I guess the only thing left is whether Verizon thinks the average user is smart enough to replace their own battery. /sarcasm :P

RE: Hmmm....
By bhieb on 10/3/2007 12:00:23 PM , Rating: 3
Not just you, it seems Verizon is being very secretive.

Hope it is WM6 based, if so I may switch from Tmobile. I would greatly appreciate the speed increase. And with WM6 the integraton with exchange is so easy, basically if your company has Outlook Web Access, you are all set.

RE: Hmmm....
By UNCjigga on 10/4/2007 1:49:10 PM , Rating: 2
The Voyager is not a smartphone, it is a media-centric phone. It does NOT use Windows Mobile, but rather a custom OS that is the next-generation of the standard BREW OS on Verizon's feature phones.

I can't release full specs, but this phone does feature MediaFLO support, so you can watch Mobile TV. You also have much better gaming support than what's currently offered on the iPhone.

RE: Hmmm....
By Locutus465 on 10/4/2007 5:57:19 PM , Rating: 2
That kind of sucks, I like being able to install any Windows Mobile app that I like onto my smart phone, i.e. chat clients...

RE: Hmmm....
By geeg on 10/3/07, Rating: -1
RE: Hmmm....
By rudy on 10/3/2007 12:00:47 PM , Rating: 2
What do you mean there is hardly a phone out there that would not be considered an mp3 players and a phone. The real reason apple has an advantage is cause they have a powerful market share. When motorola says we want to make a phone that has wifi internet access, VOIP, is an mp3 player and all the rest, all the telcoms say no VOIP, no wifi but you can make it an mp3 players so long as we can program it to only take our mp3s. Apple was so successful only cause of marketing with the ipod and really isnt any different since they will attempt to keep you only buying from itunes that they could break free from those constraints.

RE: Hmmm....
By theo king on 10/3/2007 12:02:56 PM , Rating: 5
Now, why big companies like Verizon and Sprint didnt invest on a product like iphone? Because those companies are extremely inefficient and they are happy with the big bucks currently they are earning.

Verizon turned down the i-phone which is in the washing post as else back in january. Rumor has it sprint did as well. As far as Verizon is concerned, Apple wasn't interested in sharing data but was interested in a %20 percent cut of data revenue. So they use at&t's slow mobile web 2.5. (wi-fi is faster if you can get it). Also apple requires that you have a minimum $20.00 data service if you want the i-phone. Since all of these companies rely of data & voice services..What's the investment? I'll take freedom of choice!

Do a little research before you spout nonsense

RE: Hmmm....
By Silver2k7 on 10/6/2007 3:25:27 AM , Rating: 2
"But doesn't it seem like Apple is the first to come out with a product (or the first to make it successful) and then all the other companies are left to come out with a product as direct competition. "

Apple did not make the mp3 player.. im not even sure who did, fraunhofer perhaps atleast they invented the format.. Diamond was perhaps the first to really sell lots of mp3 players, but they got sued practically to bancrupcy for that.

Even the beloved graphical interface was invented by Xerox.. even thought such a thing would seem like a natural progression that would have happened sooner or later.

There was phones with touch sensitive screens before the I-phone, Swedish Neonode was one of them even if it had its share of production problems.

Probably not
By SavagePotato on 10/3/2007 11:13:28 AM , Rating: 5
I guess verizon are not students of history.

Making a superior product doesn't work in the case of Apple. There are tons of superior mp3 players out there, Macheads (ironically similar to crackhead)still buy 2nd 3rd and 4th replacement ipods when theirs tank, or when the newest extra overpriced edition comes out.

Fanatics buying overpriced junk based on being trendy is the foundation of Apples successes, and as it would seem, will continue to be.

As someone once said, you could box a turd and call it the iTurd and people would likely buy it.

RE: Probably not
By FITCamaro on 10/3/2007 11:28:27 AM , Rating: 2

Your money, in our pockets.

RE: Probably not
By themadmilkman on 10/3/2007 11:32:06 AM , Rating: 5
There are tons of superior mp3 players out there, Macheads (ironically similar to crackhead)still buy 2nd 3rd and 4th replacement ipods when theirs tank, or when the newest extra overpriced edition comes out.

That's kinda inaccurate and inflammatory, don't you think? The vast majority of iPod owners are Windows users, given the number of iPods sold in comparison to the number of Macs sold. So referring to those users as Macheads when the APPLE iPod isn't even marketed under that badge is well, wrong.

RE: Probably not
By SavagePotato on 10/3/2007 12:26:50 PM , Rating: 2
Nope, it's pretty accurate. There are hordes of apple product sheep out there, Windows users or not. Being a Windows user doesn't automatically make you immune to being a hype and trend following sheep.

Many of them are Macheads as well and I stand by the comparison of Macheads to crackheads, also a very accurate comparison.

Apple products are almost like a virus of pure stupidity that seems to be able to infect people you had previously thought were immune to it. Like the many previously sane people that lined up to trade an arm and a leg for an iPhone. Probably these are the same people that came back down to reality and are now complaining about things like the price drop and the attack of the killer firmware.

RE: Probably not
By themadmilkman on 10/3/2007 3:20:54 PM , Rating: 3

Many of them are Macheads as well and I stand by the comparison of Macheads to crackheads, also a very accurate comparison.

No, very FEW of them are Macheads, because only a small percentage of them actually own Macs.

RE: Probably not
By Frallan on 10/4/2007 4:46:50 AM , Rating: 2
Probably true - since most of the IPODers don't (can't?!?) use a computer for anything more advanced then checking their G-mail and todays TV-tableau...


RE: Probably not
By randomlinh on 10/3/2007 1:33:19 PM , Rating: 2
The UI and simplicity that everyone can grasp is what pushes the ipod. Sure, you can say what you want about it being a trendy fashion accessory, but it works.

The Sandisk stuff almost makes it, but the wheel is just not the same as the click wheel.

The only other serious competitor... the zune. and this last iteration will hopefully shake things up. However, I have not had the pleasure of working w/ the zune software to say more on it.

RE: Probably not
By acer905 on 10/3/2007 2:17:57 PM , Rating: 2
I kinda like the feel of the sansa's scroll wheel, and how it lights up. But what ya gotta remember is the old first gen iPod which had a mechanical scroll wheel and real buttons surrounding it, much like the sansa's input. And the new sansa view has a revised input thats more smooth and refined. (not to mention the fact that it offers twice the storage as the nano for the same price)

RE: Probably not
By SavagePotato on 10/3/07, Rating: -1
RE: Probably not
By Dowap on 10/6/2007 1:19:14 AM , Rating: 2
Wow such hate. I am impressed with how your post shows your hypocrisy.
It is interesting you think all of Apple's success is based on fanatics, must be a lot of fanatics born recently to have a company doing so well.

2 markets, neither are Apples
By Sunrise089 on 10/3/2007 11:10:10 AM , Rating: 2
2 groups of people will buy this:

1) Verizon customers who don't want to switch. There are probably a lot of these, but Apple obviously decided to forgoe this group when they made their exclusive with AT&T.

2) People who sort of like the iPhone idea, but aren't ready to give up their traditional styled devices entirely yet. I've used the iPhone, and I think the UI is wonderful. But some people aren't ready to give up the standard keyboard. This phone looks like it splits the difference between something like a Blackberry Curve and the iPhone.

PS - No tech specs Dailytech?

RE: 2 markets, neither are Apples
By mdogs444 on 10/3/2007 11:13:54 AM , Rating: 3
I am verizon, and wouldnt mind a cool phone....but i refuse to give up the size of my razr that fits in my back pocket. I also dont want to pay data package rates.

To be honest, i only use my phone for social phone calls, i dont feel the need to have it do anything else. If i want to email or text or surf the web, ill do it on my laptop, on the couch, in front of the tv.

RE: 2 markets, neither are Apples
By FITCamaro on 10/3/2007 1:21:04 PM , Rating: 2
The only thing a nice phone like this would be cool for would be the occasion where you're out with your friends, you want to go somewhere, but aren't sure how to get there, so you use google maps to find it.

By theapparition on 10/4/2007 7:27:50 AM , Rating: 2
And that's something Mdoggs can do right now with his Razr (albeit he's paying the $5/mo web access).

RE: 2 markets, neither are Apples
By bhieb on 10/3/2007 11:51:55 AM , Rating: 2
But some people aren't ready to give up the standard keyboard. This phone looks like it splits the difference between something like a Blackberry Curve and the iPhone.

And what is wrong with that? A tactile keyboard is a huge advantage. sure if you are texing your bff about a rofl joke you heard then the simple touch kb may work fine. However, if you actually want to properly type to a customer (with proper caps and punctuation), a full keyboard is a must. I have tried the iPhone, and it is a superb UI, but I don't think in a phone that size a keyboard variant would be a bad thing. It already has the size just make it a bit thicker.

RE: 2 markets, neither are Apples
By Melo8083 on 10/6/2007 11:40:46 AM , Rating: 2
Actually you are wrong about apple not being worried about the large number of verizon customers when making the iphone exclusive to AT&T. Verizon actually had first shot at being the exclusive carrier of the iphone but due to apple's full control over the price of the phone and the fact that they would not compromise on the issue caused verizon to decline the offer. AT&T actually just got the left over of what verizon didn't want to deal with.

hmmmm it's also the l.g. prada!
By theo king on 10/3/2007 11:34:12 AM , Rating: 2
It's also similar to the l.g. prada phone-the first touch screen that came out a year before the i-phone! --To anyone out there claiming that apple "invented" it! Since it's body is based on the lg-vx9900, it's not surprising that Verizon's carrying it. P.S. there are specs all over the web

RE: hmmmm it's also the l.g. prada!
By aliasfox on 10/3/2007 12:46:18 PM , Rating: 2
Apple's never claimed to have invented the touch screen- you have ATMs going back over a decade that have touch screens, you have Treos from 2001 that have touch screens. Nobody's disputing that your LG has a touch screen or that the iPhone wasn't the first.

However, the iPhone is the first device publicly shown (in January) and produced (in July) that makes an attempt at having multiple, discreet active touch areas on a screen at the same time. Being able to grow and shrink a webpage or a picture with two fingers is an example of Apple's implementation of this.

My take is that the LG will capture more of the business market with its keyboard, but it'll still be too thick and "clunky" for consumers to want to play with it.

By mcnabney on 10/4/2007 10:37:07 AM , Rating: 2
It is neither thick nor clunky. It is thinner than the 9900 which it replaces and consumers never had those complaints about it.

The future is iDepressed.........
By crystal clear on 10/3/2007 12:37:28 PM , Rating: 2
This "iPhone killer"

It can be nobody else but APPLE it self.

They earned themselves a series of BAD publicity in recent months.

I dont have to quote the stories-you know it all....iBrick,iPricecuts etc....

They earned a series of lawsuits against it in the process.
(scan the web you can read it all)

They earned themselves a series of customer disatisfactions in the process.

They earned themselves a series of hacks & hackers who regularly expose the weakness of the iPhone.

All this will effect its future sales very seriously.

No cell phone in the market & many more to come will get such negatives/bad publicity like the iPhone attracts.

People will simply not buy iPhone anymore !

Just how much negative publicity can a product withstand....

RE: The future is iDepressed.........
By FITCamaro on 10/3/2007 1:22:52 PM , Rating: 2
I think you fail to see how much iConsumers are willing to take up the @$$ before they stop buying.

By crystal clear on 10/3/2007 1:50:34 PM , Rating: 2
How do the Apple fanboys respond to your comment,like mine-

Simple! vote you down-they have no better response than that.

Ha just kidding !

You are right !

Open to anything
By crystal clear on 10/3/2007 1:40:20 PM , Rating: 2
what do the buyers want from a cell phone today-

* They certainly dont want a iPhone look alike.

* They cetainly dont want something shiny/flashy or faster.

* etc etc....

What they want is a cell phone thats OPEN .... to anything........apllications,gadgets,3rd party software,etc

just anything they want to have on their cell phone.

Just load it & use it

No barriers-No restrictions.

You the buyer decides what you want your cell to do ...

Freedom !


Somebody would like this on their cell phone-

An Israeli student has developed software on a mobile phone to help you with your cooking woes.

The mobile phone speaks to the person cooking, and waits for a response before it speaks its next set of instructions.

A new Japanese mobile phone will ring you up, if your diet, weight or breath are wrong numbers.

The list is endless.

RE: Open to anything
By crystal clear on 10/3/2007 2:40:26 PM , Rating: 2
Now hear the best part of this-

AT&T encourages you to develop appications on their exclusive site below-

Step 1: Content—How to Build Your Application

Learn how to create various types of mobile content such as browsing services, push messaging, or downloads. Get up to speed on WAP, SMS, RSS, and xHTML. Review best practices for information architecture and development.

AT&T has a very extensive Web site devoted to encouraging developers to write programs for its phones on half a dozen platforms. It does discuss the iPhone, but it points out that Apple only allows limited applications that work through the Safari browser.

Blackberry Pearl
By phattyboombatty on 10/3/2007 2:30:06 PM , Rating: 2
The Pearl has been available from Verizon for a while now and is not part of the release mentioned in the article.

RE: Blackberry Pearl
By mcnabney on 10/4/2007 10:18:47 AM , Rating: 2
No, the 8830 has been available. It is larger and has a QWERTY keyboard.

Verizon less draconian?
By wolrah on 10/3/2007 5:11:50 PM , Rating: 2
Perhaps, but Apple's latest draconian tactics to prevent iPhone unlocking may cause some users who were pondering an iPhone to defect to Verizon.

So....rather than buying a nice GSM phone which will probably be unlockable again some time in the future, someone would choose to buy a CDMA phone where you couldn't even think about unlocking in the first place? Not to mention it has VCast, which basically means BREW, which then means you're locked in to the applications Verizon wants to offer.

But at least you can use a provider that's less restrictive than AT&T......oh...wait...nevermind.

What are we gaining here?

Give me this phone in GSM form with J2ME or a real OS and it's interesting. Until then, I fail to see the advantages over an iPhone unless one is already locked in to a contract with VZW.

RE: Verizon less draconian?
By mcnabney on 10/4/2007 10:45:56 AM , Rating: 2
First, you gain 3G, but lose WiFi.
Second, you spend a lot less.
Third, you gain a real keyboard.
Fourth, you can replace the battery yourself if you choose.
Fifth, Mobile TV which is cool on this big screen.
Sixth, bloody Bluetooth, and in stereo too.
Seventh, expandable memory.
Eighth, the #1 rated network, not the #4 rated network.

There are others...

Nice but...
By Omega215D on 10/3/2007 8:31:03 PM , Rating: 2
These phones are quite nice and it's good to see Verizon getting some style to go with their good (to me) cell service. The only thing though is that Verizon has a history of taking nice phones and pretty much screwing with the phone software by putting their own UI in there. So far the LG VX 8700 is the only phone to not really be gimped by this.

I'm still rocking the V3m from Verizon but for some reason Motorola decided that the screen should output 65,000 colors unlike their GSM counterparts with 262,000.

RE: Nice but...
By vortmax on 10/4/2007 11:10:05 AM , Rating: 2
The e815 was a great phone with the non-Verizon menu..

Let's see
By jeromekwok on 10/3/2007 1:02:43 PM , Rating: 2
Let's see how these contenders match up with iPhone on ease of use and battery life. See if Apple decided to take 3G down was a good or bad choice.

A little old
By AlphaVirus on 10/3/2007 2:57:48 PM , Rating: 2
Why do people keep trying to compete with Apple's products?
I understand alot of people bought the iphone but ask them why they bought it and I bet majority will say because its "Pretty, cute, attractive" or some other form of looks. Yeah the touch screen is cool but for how long? And please remember they werent the first with touch screens so stop riding Apple's jock.

The hype of touch screens is getting old and I really hope the future is not touchy phones forever because I prefer buttons that dont become smudged and that I wont be afriad to let my child or a friend use.

By Delegator on 10/3/2007 3:01:11 PM , Rating: 2
As a current Verizon subscriber with a VCast phone, I can state categorically that VCast sucks. If you really want a phone capable of dealing with multimedia (MP3, video, etc) then VCast is not the way to go. Stupid things like the need to create playlists on the phone itself, clunky synchronization, and downright lousy usability are all problems compared to iTunes.

The phone also looks thick, which is to be expected withthe flip-up screen and hidden keyboard.All in all it looks like a device meant to look like, but not act like, an iPhone. For now, this Verizon subscriber will be content to wait.

I'd certainly buy it....
By Chadder007 on 10/3/2007 5:51:22 PM , Rating: 2
...If Verizon would come down off their ridiculously high PDA/Smart phone plan rates.

These will be locked to Verizon
By rameeti on 10/3/2007 5:58:53 PM , Rating: 2
Perhaps, but Apple's latest draconian tactics to prevent iPhone unlocking may cause some users who were pondering an iPhone to defect to Verizon.

I'm not understanding this logic. This Verizon killer phone will be locked to Verizon. How will that be any different than Apple's iPhone locked to ATT? Why would this pull people to Verizon? Do people prefer to be locked to Verizon?

And what does it cost?
By rameeti on 10/3/2007 6:01:10 PM , Rating: 2
What does it cost?
How much will the tunes cost?
What is the cost of the data plan?

Without these facts, no one can say whether this will be better or worse than the iPhone that it is supposedly be compared to.

By SiliconAddict on 10/3/2007 6:19:55 PM , Rating: 2
V'ger might have a strong enough field to counter Steve's Reality Distortion Field....maybe.

Neo 1973?
By herrdoktor330 on 10/3/2007 11:18:42 PM , Rating: 2
In a related topic:

Is anyone out there following the FIC Neo 1973? It's a Quad Band GSM Phone/PDA running OpenMoko Linux. It has comperable (potential) features to the iPhone, takes miniSD cards, has WiFi, supports SIM cards, and runs 100% open source applications. In theory, this thing could get you on your GSM provider (AT&T and T-Mobile in the US) and when you don't want to go over your minute plan or utilize your carrier's data plan, you can hop on to any WiFi hot spot and Skype once they have a Skype app ported over to the device. Plus it's supposed to have a functional web browser.

I was interested in getting one. They're getting ready to release the consumer model this month, but I know the software is still in the development stage. Has anyone else heard of this device? Is anyone else going to buy one?

And no... I'm not part of the OpenMoko hype machine per se. I'm just an interested party and wondering why this isn't getting any real press in the face of iPhone bricking and the rush for competative products.

Samsung Juke
By feelingshorter on 10/3/2007 11:44:44 PM , Rating: 2
That Samsung Juke is a samsung phone that can be imported to work on GSM (there is a GSM version, that is). I forgot the product number but i can tell you right now its fragile (had a friend's broke), and the battery life is horrible.

No GPS? No thanks.
By AGAC on 10/4/2007 9:42:34 AM , Rating: 2
I´ve been using the Ipaq HW6945 for quite a while now and it is a joy.

Yes the camera is useless, yes it is a bit bulky. But having e-mail, GPS hardware, a good navigation software, bluetooth and wifi (with skype) made it my best gadget. Just can't leave home without it.

I wouldn't touch an iphone with loooong pole anyway...

Get rid of the verizon logo!
By nitrous9200 on 10/5/2007 3:56:47 PM , Rating: 2
I'm sick of how Verizon brands every surface and every menu of their phones. I have to say Apple products that are free from the obsessive branding look a lot sleeker. It would look nicer without the humongous verizon logo at the top and put some phone symbols on the send and end buttons. The top bar of the UI (with the signal/battery strength) is also pretty busy. If it can do what the iPhone can and more, and they advertise this thing enough, it should get some good sales, but that verizon logo is too large.

The Voyager and Itunes
By Bullseye1196 on 10/20/2007 11:00:47 AM , Rating: 2
With the new voyager will I be able to but my itune's library, including songs, music videos and movies, on to the phone?

Pitiful marketing ploys
By rcc on 10/3/2007 11:59:25 AM , Rating: 1
It's become the new cliche, we are bringing out the xyz killer. It rarely happens. So they are building a competitor, that's great and I wish them good fortune. But, these juvenile, grade school marketing tactics are pathetic. No, Verizon is neither the biggest or only offender, just the most recent.

Freedom of choice
By helios220 on 10/3/2007 1:48:48 PM , Rating: 1
I applaud LG and the myriad of other companies that have already or are in the process of developing further competitors to the iPhone. The iPhone is not without its faults and competition almost always benefits the consumer in terms of pricing and features.

That being said, if people still want to buy an iPhone then more power to them. I can't tell you how sick I am listening to people bitch constantly and preach about how the iPhone is destroying the fabric of society. It is just a phone, just another insignificant piece of consumer electronics. The very same people who accuse others of zealotry and close-mindedness take every opportunity to rant about a product that most have never even used and will rate down anyone who even might even be perceived as not agreeing with them, as will likely be shown by the rating of this post.

This is no less arrogant and just as opposed to the spirit of free choice then the behavior of the Apple zealots whom many appear to be sworn to defend against.

iPhone strengh : its OS and software
By Awax on 10/3/07, Rating: -1
By SandmanWN on 10/3/2007 11:11:14 AM , Rating: 2
The trouble is that they make as many copy as they want of its form factor, icons, etc ... they will lack :

How do you know this already? You some sort of industry insider or a fanboi of Apple?

By retrospooty on 10/3/2007 11:19:58 AM , Rating: 3
"The real strengh of the iPhone is its real slick, fluid and straightforward UI."

True... That is absolutely its strength, and it will force the rest of the industry to catch up... But they will catch up and surpass, that is the nature of the smartphone industry. There are many companies in that marketspace with alot more money, and engineering resources than Apple has.

I am no apple fan at all, but we all owe a great big thanks to Apple for the UI of the iPhone. It will cause the entire industry to raise their game. So have (up until the iPhone) there have been great hones out with great features and absolute sh1t UI's compared to iPhone (Winmobile, symbian, Palm, Blackberry we are looking at you all).

When these real smartphone makers with real smartphone features catch up with a great UI, we wil have better phones than iPhone and they will be cheap.

RE: iPhone strengh : its OS and software
By bhieb on 10/3/2007 11:37:41 AM , Rating: 2
Very true the interface is extremely well designed. But the biggest weakness (barring the non replaceable batter) is no full keyboard. I have and older HTC wizard, and I will never go back to not having a keyboard. I realize that not everyone types that much, but if they can keep the size down, I would much rather have one. As slick as the touch keyboard on the iPhone is, it is no replacement for being able to feel the keys. On my MDA I can type most things without even looking down. Doing that on and iPhone is very difficult.

I recently set up a user witht he HTC s710, and I must say WOW. By no means is it meant to compete with the iPhone for browsing and such, but email and texting is sweet for a phone that small (basically the size of a 2004ish Nokia brick).

RE: iPhone strengh : its OS and software
By zsdersw on 10/3/2007 11:49:23 AM , Rating: 2
There's another big flaw in the current iPhone: carrier exclusivity.

Apple can go to hell if they think I'm going to buy something from them that I can only use with one carrier.

RE: iPhone strengh : its OS and software
By bhieb on 10/3/2007 11:54:17 AM , Rating: 2
True, but I was trying to play nice. This phone will be Verizon exclusive as well, just part of the business model these days.

RE: iPhone strengh : its OS and software
By zsdersw on 10/3/2007 7:20:22 PM , Rating: 2
.. and I won't buy a Verizon phone you can't get with another carrier, either.

By mcnabney on 10/4/2007 10:19:59 AM , Rating: 2
Some of these will eventually be available from Sprint and Altel.

By crystal clear on 10/3/2007 12:13:54 PM , Rating: 2
Then I would rephrase your title of the comment & the comment itself as-

iPhone weakness:its OS and software !

iPhone Turned into Pocket-Sized Hacking Platform

"A rootkit takes on a whole new meaning when the attacker has access to the camera, microphone, contact list and phone hardware. Couple this with 'always-on' Internet access over EDGE and you have a perfect spying device," Moore said.,1895,2191373,

Thats only a starter for the weakness list.......

RE: iPhone strengh : its OS and software
By mcnabney on 10/4/2007 10:32:15 AM , Rating: 1
I have used the Voyager, and now that the cat is out of the bag, I can comment on it.

It is a lot like the iPhone, but there are major differences:

The Voyager has MobileTV (you can watch a couple dozen channels live, not downloaded), expandable memory up to a 8 GB microSDHC, 3G network , flip-open real keyboard (and the virtual one on the touch screen), replaceable battery, a really loud speakerphone, Stereo Bluetooth (some OBX profiles disabled, it is VZW), all of the VZW GPS features, hundreds of downloadable apps and games, active sync, Vcast, a full html (non-Brew) browser, Vcast Music, and the freedom to pick your voice and data plan. The UI is different. I really liked the iPhone UI, but the new VZW UI works almost as well.

The iPhone still has WiFi and that awesome visual voicemail.

The Voyager is also going to cost a hell of a lot less than the iPhone.

Oh, and you get the superior Network.

RE: iPhone strengh : its OS and software
By vortmax on 10/4/2007 11:14:12 AM , Rating: 2
Price, I'm guessing will be in the $249-299 arena w/a 2-year contract....

By mcnabney on 10/4/2007 12:03:37 PM , Rating: 2

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