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Citing increased pressure from piracy enforcers, operators call it quits

Within the last week, two popular BitTorrent sites began blocking users located in North America: Isohunt.com’s trackers now block users in the United States; and Demonoid.com blocks users located in Canada.
 
Starting last week, Canada-based Isohunt posted a notice on its front page, stating that it has disabled access from users in the U.S. to the BitTorrent trackers at Torrentbox.com and Podtropolis.com, which are operated by Isohunt.  Isohunt elaborates, “This is due to the U.S.'s hostility towards P2P technologies, and we feel with our current lawsuit brought by the MPAA, we can no longer ensure your security and privacy in the U.S.”  Isohunt, which only indexes the torrents posted at other trackers like The Pirate Bay or TorrentBox, then asked U.S.-based users to add and use other, unrestricted trackers in its search results.
 
Shortly afterwards, Demonoid.com – also based in Canada – went offline, and many speculated that the site had either been taken down by the Canadian Recording Industry Association (CRIA), or suffered major server failures.

With rumors flying, P2P news site ZeroPaid.com received an e-mail of indeterminate source which confirmed the server troubles, and that the site was indeed undergoing a rebuild. However, because the e-mail could not be verified, and Demonoid’s operator “Deimos” never officially commented on Demonoid’s status, ZeroPaid’s e-mail was not posted until today.
 
Regardless, Demonoid’s tracker was up by September 29, 2007. The website followed, resuming operations on September 30.  Unfortunately, the return has a catch: due to interference from the CRIA, Canadian users are now blocked from Demonoid’s website and its trackers. 

Instead users are now redirected to a web page with the following message: “We received a letter from a lawyer representing the CRIA, they were threatening with legal action and we need to start blocking Canadian traffic because of this. If you reside in Canada, [this] is the reason you are being redirected to this message. Thanks for your understanding, and sorry for any inconvenience.”
 
With the rising popularity of BitTorrent, piracy enforcers are giving the protocol increasing amounts of attention. Recent e-mail and source code leaked from MediaDefender indicate that the firm seems to devote the most attention to BitTorrent, which, according to a widely-quoted 2004 study, accounts for at least a third of all internet traffic.

While sites like Demonoid and Isohunt appear to have caved in to these pressures, others choose a defiant path and turn pressure into mockery: The Pirate Bay’s legal threats page posts dozens of takedown notices and their humorous replies, and MiiVi.org advertises itself as a “tribute to the fall of MediaDefender,” hosting an open tracker sponsored in part by The Pirate Bay, Suprnova, Mininova and others.


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RE: MPAA sucks
By Axbattler on 10/1/2007 12:50:14 AM , Rating: 2
But why should they limit themselves to illegal DVDs dealers?

I can understand to some extent why drug dealers get the harshest penalties. They are making money by supplying illegal substances that has all sorts of negative effect on society. Yet I am pretty sure that you can't even light up a joint in front of a law officer without getting into some kind of trouble (simply for possession).

Now there is a big difference between illegal DVDs and drugs, but if you are going to go after illegal DVD dealers, then shouldn't you also give a slap on the wrist (i.e. fine) people who own those products? It is more productive to go after the dealers but I do not see much logic as to why 'end users' should be exempted in this case.

And what makes illegal DVD dealers 'worse' than P2P distribution of movies? Is it because those who distribute do not make any money from it? I do not see the relevance. Come to think of it, last time I went to China, I saw quite a lot of people selling pirated DVDs out in the street. I doubt they are making much out of their 'business', and quite honestly, I wonder how they get by. Doesn't change the fact that they are 'dealers', and ideally, they would be doing something better and legal. But I suppose that I'd rather see people deal illegal DVDs than mug tourists.

What I am getting at is, if you will fight piracy at all, then it does make sense to do it from every angle. I am not impressed when they get it wrong and end up taking a grandma who never touched a PC before in court, but I do not see how one could defend a college student who probably knows exactly what s/he is doing. No they do not deserve to be sued for every penny and robbed of a chance for a future for that, but they are not exactly innocent.

What I wonder is, how successful would a tracker that only has legal material (open source applications, free music from independent artists, YouTube-like videos, trailers, sharewares, demos etc.) compared to those that tracks everything legal and illegal.


RE: MPAA sucks
By mindless1 on 10/1/2007 1:35:45 AM , Rating: 2
You wrote "if you will fight piracy at all, then it does make sense to do it from every angle. I am not impressed when they get it wrong and end up taking a grandma who never touched a PC before in court, but I do not see how one could defend a college student who probably knows exactly what s/he is doing. No they do not deserve to be sued for every penny and robbed of a chance for a future for that, but they are not exactly innocent."

1) What makes you think we are compelled to fight piracy at all, it is a rather trivial problem in the greater scheme of things.

2) Trying to minimize their blunders by mentioning mistakes like persecuting a grandmother, does not make the overall policy used, any more palatable. You wrote college student, are they made of money or quite the opposite, financially constrained due to learning skills to benefit society?

3) No they are not "innocent". Now show me one truely innocent soul in an absolute sense. Yes under our current legal system it is an offense. So is speeding while driving, while potentially risks lives yet carries a penalty under $100. RIAA/MPAA et al have not ever demonstrated real loss, it is an impossible fiction to claim the losses they do. Cases should be thrown out based on this deliberate deceipt alone the very first time, then some very large fines imposted when they demonstrate they didn't learn their lesson on the VERY FIRST CASE EVER.

4) If one can't obey the laws of the land, they can asssume penalty for this, but right now penalty <> crime, we have a large monopolistic mob stuffing money into legislators' pockets to effect an outcome which opposes fair use, opposed an open market, and pits the consumer against special interest groups.

Fix the problem before complaining about the result.


RE: MPAA sucks
By wordsworm on 10/1/07, Rating: -1
RE: MPAA sucks
By kyp275 on 10/1/2007 8:09:04 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Society should emancipate drugs


and I suppose you're going to pay for all the increased cost and burden that'll be placed on our already crappy health-care system that'll result from an even more widespread use of drugs right?

or are you going to say that drugs are actually harmless, people don't get addicted, OD is just a myth, and that using drugs actually increases work productivity? :rolleyes:


RE: MPAA sucks
By AlvinCool on 10/1/2007 9:29:36 AM , Rating: 3
and I suppose you're going to pay for all the increased cost and burden that'll be placed on our already crappy health-care system that'll result from an even more widespread use of drugs right?

I know this is a technical forum and the actual topic is DVD/MUSIC copywright infringment, but since this was allowed as a post I wish to answer it. For years I've heard this debate without an answer because we always look at the US for the model. I recently went to Mexico and got a completely different prespective. There you can walk into any pharmacy and buy anything, and I mean anything, without a doctors prescription. I could have, had I wished, bought a handful of oxycotin. Viagra is sold at the airport pharmacy. Marijuana is as good as legal. But what you don't see is rampant drug use. The workers in the plant I visited are really hard working and they work "smart". The food served in the local resturants is much better than we have here. Just an observation from visiting a country that has legal drugs available everywhere.


RE: MPAA sucks
By flutedude2005 on 10/1/2007 5:23:53 AM , Rating: 2
doesn't the entertainment industry lose nearly billions due to piracy? that sounds like a big issue to me...


RE: MPAA sucks
By PlasmaBomb on 10/1/2007 5:44:24 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
For months, Canadian coppers have been claiming that software piracy costs the country $30 billion


The RCMP did not conduct any independent research on the scope or impact of counterfeiting in Canada, but rather merely searched a couple news stories.

quote:
$30 billion figure simply plucked from bottom
as The Inquirer puts it...

http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2007/0...


RE: MPAA sucks
By theapparition on 10/1/2007 8:20:07 AM , Rating: 2
I have absolutely no figures to back up my claims, but I'd guarantee that if all piracy were to magically stop tommorow, they wouldn't be recording those billiions on thier books.
Just because someone picks up a file for "free" doesn't equate to the fact that they would have purchased it if the "free" option wasn't available. That's what the MPAA basis it's estimates on, and it's wrong. People shouldn't pirate the files, but the industry is not really losing that much.

(Disclaimer - I own over 1000 legally purchased DVD's/HD-DVD's/BR disks and have pirated none)


RE: MPAA sucks
By mindless1 on 10/1/2007 9:46:01 PM , Rating: 2
NO, we'd have to assume they don't lose billions since there has never been any proof of it, only the contrary that potential customers are turned off by crap content, excessive prices, and their fictional claims of loss as a persecution tool.

The big issue is they choose not to adapt to a changing market and instead, make up lofty figures about what they lose by not changing.


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