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Taking into consideration customer and partner requests, Microsoft will sell Windows XP for another 5 months

In a recent press release Microsoft announced it will extend sales of its Windows XP operating system to OEMs and retail channels for five months over the initial end date, through June 30, 2008. The move comes after a great amount of feedback from customers and partners regarding the original end-of-sale date of January 31, 2008.

Mike Nash, the corporate vice president of Windows Product Management, stated, "While we’ve been pleased with the positive response we’ve seen and heard from customers using Windows Vista, there are some customers who need a little more time to make the switch to Windows Vista."

Nash went on to say that Microsoft's original policy of a four-year availability of operating systems to OEM and retail channels had been established in 2002. However, due to the delays in the launch of Windows Vista, Microsoft felt that offering Windows XP for sale for an additional five months would make more sense.

When asked about what Microsoft was hearing in terms of feedback from customers regarding Windows Vista Nash stated, "With more than 60 million licenses sold as of this summer, Windows Vista is on track to be the fastest-selling operating system in Microsoft’s history."

Microsoft's Nash feels that the strong sales thus far are due to the doubling of sales of pre-built desktop and laptop computers bundled with Windows Vista as the primary OS. However, recently Microsoft also decided to offer OEMs theoption to let customers downgrade from Windows Vista to Windows XP.


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RE: You can't force ..
By retrospooty on 9/28/2007 2:21:39 PM , Rating: 0
"Notice how all the whiners pointing out Vista as being a terrible bloated OS with DRM are the same people who said the same thing about XP when we were all running 98SE and 2000?"

I don't notice that, nor do I agree with your statement. Most people loved XP when it came out. I sure did. I switched from 98 and loved it, so did most users. The diff here is 98/2000 to XP was a great jump up. XP to Vista is not that great. If the reaction were the same, MS would not have been offering downgrades because there are so many unsatisfied customers.


RE: You can't force ..
By TomZ on 9/28/2007 2:36:07 PM , Rating: 4
I disagree - I remember tons of complaining about XP. The complaints I most remember are app compatibility, that XP is just eye candy, and that it is bloated.

Hmmm...sounds familiar.


RE: You can't force ..
By acer905 on 9/28/2007 2:41:39 PM , Rating: 2
... I never understood people calling XP eye candy... i was just glad that they allowed it to still have classic mode. God the standard theme for XP is just hideous... or so i think. And the way they keep messin with the start menu irritates me.


RE: You can't force ..
By retrospooty on 9/28/2007 2:47:19 PM , Rating: 2
I disagree with your disagree ;) . Yes some people complained, but overall XP was extremely well received both my consumers and business and caught on quickly in both sectors. It was a great upgrade for anyone using 95/98/ME/2000.

Vista, although pretty, is causing alot more people alot more problems than XP ever did. And XP was people switching from 95/98/ME, and well as 2000. Vista is primarily only getting XP users and its still full of issues. Again, I have to keep going back to the point that even MS is offering free downgrades. That speaks volumes itself. they never needed to do that, not even with that POS Win ME.


RE: You can't force ..
By colonelclaw on 9/28/2007 2:55:57 PM , Rating: 2
whatever the agrees and disagrees (im confused as hell by all of them), there's one thing you can't deny - Vista produces emotions not seen before in a microsoft OS. many people seem to love it, but many people also seem to hate it with equal passion. people on the middle-ground are conspicuous by their absence.
what is unusual is that there's a large and powerful enough userbase of MS OSes that want nothing to do with it, and microsoft have deemed it necessary to placate them. this has not happened before as far as i can recall


RE: You can't force ..
By Oregonian2 on 9/28/2007 2:59:17 PM , Rating: 2
Not hardly. XP may have been eye candy for 2K users, but to the masses using windows 9x/ME it was a VERY dramatic improvement in function and stability. And with superb upward compatibility (remember all those emulation modes that are still there in a right-click'ed .exe that usually weren't even needed?). I jumped within a week or two of release. Vista looks like a new solution to a problem that I don't perceive that I have (security) at a cost of breaking software (but with promises of compatibility modules someday later when they finally get around to implementing it). A system released when it wasn't quite done yet. I still see nothing that would make me take it even if offered for free.


RE: You can't force ..
By TomZ on 9/28/07, Rating: 0
RE: You can't force ..
By colonelclaw on 9/28/2007 3:04:09 PM , Rating: 2
TomZ, i've read here in these forums that you are a proud 'early adopter', so i presume you're a big fan of the OS?

what is it about it that you like? is it better than XP for everyone, or does hardware need to catch up first? did MS release it too soon? and how do you feel about the DRM so deeply embedded within Vista?

for me it's this last point that keeps me from trying out Vista - i'm fed up with microsoft wanting to know every last detail about me and what i do. they seem to be obsessed with control. am i overreacting? i also think the new interface is disgusting, but i am aware that it can be turned off

finally, as a Vista fan, why do you think many people are turned off by it, and are they right to be?


RE: You can't force ..
By TomZ on 9/28/2007 3:47:40 PM , Rating: 2
Yes, I like Vista, although I don't think it's so important that I would be considered a "fan." I do pipe up a lot when I see it wrongfully maligned.

What do I like? I like most of the new features that were added since XP. It's like a bunch of small things, rather than having any one compelling upgrade feature. I do like the GUI, and I especially like the new search features for the Start menu, Control panel, and file explorer. I like that it's quite stable, especially right out of the gate. Much more so than XP was at the start - much more. I also feel more confident about the security compared to XP. The list could go on...

No, I'm not worried about DRM. Microsoft is not tracking who I am or what I do with my computer. There is no commercial value to Microsoft having that kind of information.

I think the problem with Vista is really about people being slightly resistant to change (human nature), the higher hardware requirements, and some of the app compatibility and driver issues. The thing with app compatibility is that Vista has the controls to make probably nearly any app run on Vista, however, people don't use seem to use them for whatever reason. I also think that some of the hardware vendors who have decided to not make Vista drivers for older hardware are slowing adoption of Vista. These problems will all work themselves out over time.

As I've said elsewhere, I like Vista enough that I would hate to go back to XP. Not that XP is bad in any way, just that Vista is better.


RE: You can't force ..
By crystal clear on 9/29/2007 4:17:08 AM , Rating: 2
In many ways, the success of Windows XP is also working against Microsoft. At this point, Windows XP SP2 is a very stable OS with known security strengths and weaknesses. In comparison, Vista is still an unknown quantity in some enterprise settings. Windows XP will also run well on older hardware. Myths that Vista needs high-end hardware to run adequately do not help Microsoft's cause, either.


RE: You can't force ..
By Nekrik on 9/29/2007 6:09:44 AM , Rating: 2
"I like that it's quite stable, especially right out of the gate. Much more so than XP was at the start - much more."

It seems like a lot of people have forgotten, WinXP and WinXP SP1 had their share of issues, especially with people trying to run 9X apps in compatibility mode and driver problems from vendors who had never developed code for the NT architecture, in some cases it seemed like using WINE to run an app it hasn't been specifially coded for, most of the APIs 'should' work. By SP2 XP was pretty mainstream and most apps and drivers had been updated or rewritten (some very poorly, but they functioned).

You commented on people being resistant to change. I don't think Vista is perfect, downloading a 6GB file over VPN (or just a network copy) is a nightmare, it calculates the transfer time for 30 minutes before the copy seems to start, very annoying. But it has great improvements in many areas, and like it or not it is going to be the next mainstream/business OS, there are no other contenders for that space at the moment. Fighting that is fighting the inevitable and holds up the progression to the next stage, the longer they have to expend resources on XP draws from the resources they have for other development efforts. Kinda like the EU, everyone hacks on the Vista delays and dropped features but it seems no one recognizes that resources were drawn from Vista to create massive documentation and the 'N' version of XP that no one ever wanted, this wasn't the only cause of features being forfieted and a delayed release date, but it was a factor.


RE: You can't force ..
By TomZ on 9/29/2007 9:26:44 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
downloading a 6GB file over VPN (or just a network copy) is a nightmare, it calculates the transfer time for 30 minutes before the copy seems to start, very annoying

Actually, it is copying while it is saying that it is calculating the time. If you click to show the details, you can see that the file starts copying right away. I think that dialog box is a little bit misleading.


RE: You can't force ..
By Nekrik on 9/29/2007 1:08:34 PM , Rating: 2
I'd be happy if I thought that were the case, in my experience it usually sits with Speed : 0 bytes/sec and there is no 'small' jump in progress indicated once the time is finally derived. I know status bars in themselves are not perfect indicators but I think they still have some issues here with file copies. It's just as annoying if I cancel such a transfer part way through, the 'Canceling' dialog appears like a hung process and can take a considerable amount of time to close, sometimes over 5 or 10 min.


RE: You can't force ..
By TomZ on 9/29/2007 1:20:59 PM , Rating: 2
There must be something wrong there - I've seen end-user reports of Vista taking a long time to copy some files, and I think that SP1 has a fix for that, but I don't know the details. We do a lot of LAN files copies to/from servers and I've never noticed a problem. But maybe it is somehow related to the latency of your VPN connection, I'm not sure. Did you ever call Microsoft to ask about this issue?


RE: You can't force ..
By Nekrik on 9/29/2007 2:51:25 PM , Rating: 2
I think you're correct about the VPN connection, but the same machine running XP does not have the same problem. I think there is still an issue but I misrepresented it in my original post. FWIW, I have applied the fix (KB938979) to be included with SP1 and the behavior has not changed (lending more to it being the VPN issue).


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