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Taking into consideration customer and partner requests, Microsoft will sell Windows XP for another 5 months

In a recent press release Microsoft announced it will extend sales of its Windows XP operating system to OEMs and retail channels for five months over the initial end date, through June 30, 2008. The move comes after a great amount of feedback from customers and partners regarding the original end-of-sale date of January 31, 2008.

Mike Nash, the corporate vice president of Windows Product Management, stated, "While we’ve been pleased with the positive response we’ve seen and heard from customers using Windows Vista, there are some customers who need a little more time to make the switch to Windows Vista."

Nash went on to say that Microsoft's original policy of a four-year availability of operating systems to OEM and retail channels had been established in 2002. However, due to the delays in the launch of Windows Vista, Microsoft felt that offering Windows XP for sale for an additional five months would make more sense.

When asked about what Microsoft was hearing in terms of feedback from customers regarding Windows Vista Nash stated, "With more than 60 million licenses sold as of this summer, Windows Vista is on track to be the fastest-selling operating system in Microsoft’s history."

Microsoft's Nash feels that the strong sales thus far are due to the doubling of sales of pre-built desktop and laptop computers bundled with Windows Vista as the primary OS. However, recently Microsoft also decided to offer OEMs theoption to let customers downgrade from Windows Vista to Windows XP.


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RE: Uh huh
By FITCamaro on 9/28/2007 2:01:20 PM , Rating: 3
Many also think its an excellent OS so whats your point?


RE: Uh huh
By Polynikes on 9/28/2007 2:33:35 PM , Rating: 4
Enough think it sucks that MS is allowing people to roll back.

That's a first for any OS I've ever heard of.


RE: Uh huh
By SigmaHyperion on 9/28/2007 2:53:51 PM , Rating: 2
It's not that they think it sucks, it's that they bought a PC that is far too underpowered to run the thing.

MS is just saying that since you were too stupid to buy a PC powerful enough to run the OS put on it, it'll let you use XP until you get a better PC later.

You can't be too surprised though. You see the exact same thing on forums for a game from people who think a game "sucks" because they can't play it at the resolutions they think they should when their PC barely (if at all) meets the minimum specs.

Apologies to those consumers that bought a PC in the short period of time when Vista was the only choice for an OS. It wasn't that long after launch before the makers realized they needed to offer an XP option of their own.


RE: Uh huh
By TomZ on 9/28/2007 3:56:12 PM , Rating: 4
I don't think the reason is due to buying an underpowered PC - you'd have to got out of your way to buy a PC that can't run Vista pretty well. I think the issues are probably more along the lines of application compatibility, driver availability, and just simple resistance to change.


RE: Uh huh
By crystal clear on 9/29/2007 2:07:21 AM , Rating: 2
The big stumbling block: Updating applications for Vista is a more complex task for software developers than was revising programs for the move from Windows NT and ME to Windows XP in 2001.

What's behind Vista's compatibility gap? Microsoft has acknowledged that rewriting Windows XP applications for Windows Vista is a more difficult task than what faced independent software developers when they had to port their products to Windows XP from Windows 2000 and Windows ME in 2001.

The trouble is in part due to advanced Windows Vista security features such as BitLocker and the User Account Control -- designed to prevent users from changing their desktop footprint without approval from an IT administrator. Coding applications to work with those features can be tricky, Microsoft has said.



http://www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.jh...

Some example-

That means users will have to pay hundreds of dollars to upgrade their Adobe software if they want trouble-free performance on Windows Vista, which is now preinstalled in virtually all new PCs shipping in the United States. That's because the current versions of most of Adobe's major products won't work properly on the new operating system.

The bottom line is that Adobe customers who are satisfied with the current versions of their software will have little choice but to pay for upgrades if they buy a new PC this year. Adobe says the newest versions of Photoshop, InDesign, Dreamweaver, and several other products will ship this spring and will be fully compatible with Windows Vista.



http://www.informationweek.com/showArticle.jhtml?a...

http://www.adobe.com/support/products/pdfs/adobe_p...


RE: Uh huh
By crystal clear on 9/29/2007 2:11:53 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
I think the issues are probably more along the lines of application compatibility, driver availability, and just simple resistance to change.


You are right-you indentitfy the problem !correct & accurate & the source of the problems.


RE: Uh huh
By exanimas on 9/29/2007 2:56:31 AM , Rating: 1
>>I don't think the reason is due to buying an underpowered PC - you'd have to got out of your way to buy a PC that can't run Vista pretty well. I think the issues are probably more along the lines of application compatibility, driver availability, and just simple resistance to change.

While I do agree with the last part of your statement, the "going out of your way" bit is false. Check out a Best Buy or Circuit City flyer sometime. They usually have a computer on sale every Sunday for $350-400 that has a Celeron and 512MB of RAM. Having used some of these computers, they're crippled just by opening up IE or Word. Many people buy them thinking a computer is a computer, then end up returning them a few days later because "this computer and this new Vista thing is terrible". A good portion of consumers don't know what they're buying and when someone tries to tell them they need a better computer or at least a RAM upgrade, they think they're just being up-sold. Then there's the few that actually dislike Vista for the legitimate reasons you stated. Keyword: few.


RE: Uh huh
By Screwballl on 9/28/2007 7:53:14 PM , Rating: 2
how about this....
I am a computer tech, I "adhere" to change.
Vista bogged down my fairly new computer worse than XP on a Pentium 2. By fairly new I mean E6600, 2GB DDR2-667, SATA3.0 hard drive, X1950GT PCIe video, X-Fi sound, GA-965P-DS3....
I used it 3 months and gave it to my work for testing and went back to my previous XP license. If it cannot work properly or work well on mainstream parts in a almost new computer then they obviously have a bigger problem than just "a few people don't like it".

Also remember they announced that "Vienna" is scheduled to be released for at least public beta testing in 2009. I think they saw early on that Vista is just something to line the pockets with money until they release something that really is worthwhile. Hmmmm sounds familiar... release a substandard product to hold people over for a year or two until they can release something worthwhile... Windows ME anyone? Release ME until they can get XP in a stable mode. It was a bit sketchy at first but after a few months it came along nicely. Here it is more than a few months later for Vista and it is still problematic at best.
Welcome to Windows Me version 2.


RE: Uh huh
By crystal clear on 9/29/2007 2:54:01 AM , Rating: 3
Some prestigious universities, such as MIT and Stanford, also have shelved Windows Vista upgrades until compatibility issues can be resolved.

I think the above should have given you an indication long time a ago.

quote:
Also remember they announced that "Vienna" is scheduled to be released for at least public beta testing in 2009.


You can be rest assured dont expect M.S. to meet it deadlines-push it over to late 2009 or early 2010 to be on the safe side.

quote:
I think they saw early on that Vista is just something to line the pockets with money until they release something that really is worthwhile.


No ! Its NOT MONEY-let that be clear enough.

The whole Vista project has been plagued with delays-mostly technical in nature, all through out.
Just a bit of history-

#M.S. invested all its human resources to get the WinXp Sp2 developed & out into the market,result pushing forward Vista development.
# Then the technical delays in the process of Vista developments.

The market pressure(OEMs) to get the Vista out after repeated delays made M.S. take the decsion to get Vista out as early as possible.

This with all the problems existing in the O.S.

To add to this to make things worse for Vista-

Drivers from 3rd parties-either they did not work or were non existant or horribly delayed.Example-Nvidia,HP, etc

So its NOT MONEY its Technical & MARKET pressures-OEMs


RE: Uh huh
By FITCamaro on 9/29/2007 10:53:13 AM , Rating: 2
You had bigger problems then. I tested Vista on single core Pentium 4s with hyperthreading, 2GB of RAM, intergrated 945 graphics, and an 80GB hard drive. It ran fine even with full Aero effects.

I also tested it on Core Duo laptops with 512MB of RAM.

The biggest problem Vista has is that hardware developers sat on their ass when it came to writing drivers. That is hardly Microsoft's fault.


RE: Uh huh
By SavagePotato on 9/29/2007 11:27:45 AM , Rating: 3
Nope, your not a computer tech. If you posted something that blatantly stupid you are either a liar or don't have a clue how to set up a system.

I have almost the same system exactly. E6600 P965 board, 7900 gtx though not a 1900xtx and it runs absolutely flawless. Better than XP loaded on the same system.

But then I deal with "computer techs" like yourself quite alot, I call you pseudo techs. Kind of like the moron that was screaming at me on the phone other day about being cisco certified that didn't know his ass from his elbow.

Sorry to burst your bubble but you don't know what you are doing.


RE: Uh huh
By Zoomer on 10/2/2007 10:08:11 AM , Rating: 2
I happen to have a similar system, and don't want to install something for the privilege of less performance.

Ideological issues abound as well. User mode driver? I think that's just a dumb idea. Forcing signed drivers on 64 bit version? Yuck. (In)Secure Audio Path? :rolleyes:

Give me a tangible reason to upgrade. And no, a new UI doesn't cut it. DX10 might be a reason, but I need to get a DX10 part first. I might just dual boot for these few games, though.

I'd say that just against installing it on my desktop. However, I'd be crazy to install in on a current laptop. Increased heat output, decreased battery life, outrageously expensive ram upgrades for >2GB. Sounds more like a downgrade to me.

By the way, I base this on the assumption that it is free (MSAA). If I had to pay for it, it'll be a flat no.


RE: Uh huh
By 3kliksphilip on 9/28/2007 7:57:28 PM , Rating: 2
I think that it's a good thing. It keeps customers happy. I know many people who are happy with Vista (Including me). Just imagine if another company did that- Apple, for instance. Would people go 'Oooh they know that their new operating system sucks thats why people can go back to an old one lol' or would they go 'Nice one Apple! If only Micro$oft could do something like this'.

More people will be happy this way. Isn't that a good thing? Leave Microsoft alone.


RE: Uh huh
By colonelclaw on 9/28/2007 2:49:54 PM , Rating: 3
my point is that it's deliciously ironic that history's biggest ever corporate bully has now been bullied by the computer retail industry into an unprecedented move

i'm not commenting on vista itself, which if these forums are anything to go by is the Marmite of OSes (you either love it or hate it, no inbetweens)


RE: Uh huh
By Eris23007 on 9/28/2007 4:01:58 PM , Rating: 5
MS as history's biggest ever corporate bully? I find the notion laughable.

Have you heard of Standard Oil? The old U.S. Steel? The original Ma Bell? Microsoft's behavior was child's play next to these, or for another, more current example, the De Beers diamond cartel.

Not that I can't appreciate the irony, but I personally believe deeply in the value of appreciation for history...


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