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Next generation ATI video cards won't need a Master Card...

Internal ATI memos and roadmaps have revealed to us that the next generation 80nm RV570 and RV560 GPUs will not require a master card to operate in Crossfire mode.  Both GPUs have on-board Crossfire support, meaning they are both effectively "masters." 

Without master cards, ATI will also be dropping the external Crossfire TDMS transmitter.  Radeon X1300 and Radeon X1600 require neither the dongle nor master cards to operate in Crossfire mode, but they are relatively low end cards as well.  Unfortunately, all is not beer and Skittles: the same memos claiming RV570 and RV560 have on-chip Crossfire support also claim that the chips may require a PCB bridge to really operate in full Crossfire mode.  This is extremely similar to NVIDIA's SLI implementation. 

These memos also reveal to us that due to the on-chip Crossfire will allow the possibility of multi-GPU dice and packaging.  Several manufacturers attempted multiple GPUs on a single card over the last couple years with very minimal success.



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RE: Wonders
By BioRebel on 2/21/2006 10:40:57 AM , Rating: 2
Wasteful? I really don't see how the PCI-e x16 cards are stopping Creative from using the regular PCI-e slots...


RE: Wonders
By Furen on 2/21/2006 10:48:05 AM , Rating: 2
Probably because using 2x 16x cards with double-height heatsinks pretty much blocks all the other PCIe slots in most motherboard. It's a layout problem more than anything else but pretty much all motherboards out there experience it.


RE: Wonders
By Lonyo on 2/21/2006 10:48:42 AM , Rating: 3
Be quiet with your silly logic. Just because motherboards come with say 3 other PCIe slots in addition to 2x x16/x8 slots doesn't mean we should pay any attention to them, and we should complain about companies trying to get us to buy multiple graphics cards instead ;)


RE: Wonders
By BioRebel on 2/21/2006 11:14:59 AM , Rating: 2
Ok, good point. But on some boards the PCI-e slots aren't blocked at all by the x16 slot. Like on my board the smaller slots are on the top while the x16 is between them and my PCI, so right now I'd LOVE to see something use those damn ports, otherwise the mobo companies should fucking get rid of them! I can barely suffice with only 3 PCI slots, and one half covered by my 7800GTX's heatsink.


RE: Wonders
By Perium on 2/21/2006 12:18:27 PM , Rating: 2
Its wastefull beacuse when 16x slots where actually running as 8x in SLI they performed pretty much identical as 2x 16x slots . This shows we dont need 16x lanes for graphics cards. If we were to only use 8x lanes we would have plenty of OTHER lanes for slots greater then 1x. Most boards these days ahve 2x16 and 2x1 slots. There are other devices that could be put to use in slots greater then x1. Also for those who dont realize there are many other slots besides 16x and 1x.....


RE: Wonders
By Heatlesssun on 2/21/2006 5:25:03 PM , Rating: 2
Actually, those X16 slots may not be going to waste. Quad SLI will actually put two cards in one X16 slot and only works with X16 motherboards.


RE: Wonders
By threEchelon on 2/21/2006 12:49:15 PM , Rating: 2
Creative hasn't released a pci-express soundcard because it is much harder to do sound over pci-express compared to regular pci. They're working on it though. I don't know why this is but that's what I've read.


RE: Wonders
By DigitalFreak on 2/21/2006 12:53:13 PM , Rating: 2
It's because they don't need to.


RE: Wonders
By Assimilator87 on 2/21/2006 2:08:55 PM , Rating: 2
This would all be fixed if the industry agreed upon a new motherboard specification that allowed more spacious boards.


RE: Wonders
By Howard on 2/21/2006 2:27:44 PM , Rating: 2
And new cases, and PSUs too? That'd be nice, but I dont see it happening any time soon.


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