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New Sony PS3 FCC Label  (Source: FCC)
FCC documents show new Sony PS3 model on its way

With the slow but steady disappearance of the 60GB PlayStation 3 from store shelves, the effective entry-price for Sony’s newest console is once again $599 for the 80GB bundle. It’s unlikely that Sony will head into the holiday season at the same price point as it did last year, which is why industry analysts are predicting an upcoming price drop for the 80GB model.

Even at $499, the PlayStation 3 would still be priced well above its prime competitor – the Xbox 360 Premium at $349. Earlier this month, a report surfaced saying that Sony will introduce yet another PlayStation 3 iteration that could potentially occupy the $399 level.

The $399 model is speculated to come with a 40GB hard drive with no pack-in title. Sony would be expected to carry the 80GB model at $499 with MotorStorm or other title. Furthermore, Sony may sweeten the deal by bundling with either one or both SKUs with Spider-Man 3 on Blu-ray Disc.

A recent FCC filing by Sony may have revealed several new details about an upcoming PlayStation 3 model. Although the majority of technical details and photographs have been blocked from the public’s view at Sony’s request, the information available is able to confirm that the upcoming model – designated CECHG01 – is indeed a PlayStation 3 at the core.

Technologies described in the filing include Bluetooth, 802.11b/g WiFi, along with a number of I/O ports. The FCC report states that only two USB ports were tested (current PS3s have four ports) and there were no mention of memory card reader tests. Since the FCC is a radio test, it may not have required extensive testing of select PS3 features.

Earlier this month, Sony enlisted the help of top computer manufacturer Foxconn to manufacture low-cost PlayStation 3. The FCC filing could well be the first sign of the new product development agreement between the two companies.

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RE: Only if
By EntreHoras on 9/27/2007 8:32:00 AM , Rating: 0
I'm sure we'll see a $399 PS3... just few months before the release of the $999 PS4

RE: Only if
By Adsski on 9/27/2007 9:57:09 AM , Rating: 2
If only... I lived in the USA.

Just to cheer you guys up, look at the situation were facing in the UK.

The PS3 remains in most high street stores at the launch price of £425 or $850 at the current conversion rate.

The only difference is that now you get a bundle bundle at this price. Usually 2 games and an extra controller + an HDMI lead to plug into the TV.

If you want just the console on it's own then thats £399! or $799! So obviously the bundle is a no brainer.

What stinks though, is that here in "rip off" britain in order to own a PS3 you've got to lay out a awful lot of cash on day one, no matter what!

A $399 or £200 PS3 will never be on sale in my country :-(
I'm not sure, but suspect sony have made your/ours PS3's incompatible so even if I could import one, the games / blu-ray movies wouldn't work.

Is it region free, anyone know?

RE: Only if
By softwiz on 9/27/2007 11:06:37 AM , Rating: 2
I believe games are region free, but dvd / blu-ray movies aren't.

RE: Only if
By omnicronx on 9/27/2007 11:37:33 AM , Rating: 2
I still don't understand how ps3 games can be considered region free. How can someone in Europe play an ntsc game in standard definition ? I know this is not an issue with HD resolutions but something just doesn't seem right. Can the ps3 convert ntsc to pal and vice versa?

RE: Only if
By softwiz on 9/27/2007 11:43:23 AM , Rating: 2
Though I've never actually tried it in practice...

The NTSC vs PAL issue may only relate to analog signals rather than digital ones. HDMI may work where Composite / Component would not. The frame rate, etc would be different but that'd be about it.

RE: Only if
By softwiz on 9/27/2007 11:45:50 AM , Rating: 2
I actually meant to say that the framerate might be different since it very well could be unchanged as a digital signal.

RE: Only if
By omnicronx on 9/27/2007 12:47:23 PM , Rating: 2
Most digital displays can accept any given framerate (whether it be 50 or 60) from digital sources, so there really is no issue with HD signals as the difference between PAL, and NTSC is essentially non existant. But with SD, which most of the population still has, NTSC vs PAL becomes important. Unless the ps3 somehow knows what kind of TV it is being played on (or it has an option) i do not see how PAL users can play ntsc games.

RE: Only if
By Zandros on 9/27/2007 12:57:44 PM , Rating: 2
If the console can output to both PAL and NTSC it shouldn't be a problem. Most, if not all, TVs can switch between NTSC and PAL input/output.

RE: Only if
By omnicronx on 9/27/2007 1:13:35 PM , Rating: 2
Mostly no TV's can switch between NTSC and PAL. In fact you would be hard pressed to find ANY analogue TV in North America that supports PAL. I could potentially see some more expensive TV's in europe supporting PAL and NTSC but it sure as hell is not 'most if not all'.

So regardless if the system can switch between the two formats, how can north american users play PAL discs on an analogue TV if it is not supported. Short answer is, they probably can't.

I just wonder how they can call it region free when it only applies to HDTV's

RE: Only if
By softwiz on 9/27/2007 1:56:05 PM , Rating: 2
I see three distinct groups (not exhaustive)...

1) People with HDTVs supporting HDCP
2) People with HDCP equipped DVI / HDMI monitors
3) People with Analog TVs

The PS3 is very much an HD device (even though it ridiculously comes with composite cables only) and you likely won't see it looking that much better than a PS2 connected through component cables where 480P is the max.

Honestly, come to think of it...I don't I've ever used the NTSC tuner in my HDTV. I've always used the ATSC tuner from the start and never looked back. ATSC is international standard that probably also gets around the NTSC / PAL issues since it replaces both of them.

Since the two groups above likely aren't restricted from playing imported games, that is what makes it region-free for them even if it doesn't apply 100%. The people who insist on using the PS3 with (non-hd, NTSC only) analog devices will no doubt have to deal with the whatever drawbacks come with that decision.

RE: Only if
By omnicronx on 9/27/2007 2:27:41 PM , Rating: 2
First off the ps3 and 360 for that matter looks much better on analogue TV's compared to their ps2/xbox predecessors. Polygon count and source resolution will always make a difference. Second, your forget the majority of people in the world do not have HDTV's, and i am going to be ballsy enough to say that number is close to 60% of ps3/360 owners.

ATSC is not an international standard! its a north american standard (most people would call it an american standard). DVB is the standard most nations have chose to adopt. ATSC does technically support the capability to carry PAL and SECAM video, but i do not think it is currently being used in any country.

Furthermore i was not talking about tuners, an ATSC tuner can not be used as an input for your console, its currently only used for OTA (over-the-air) digital TV signals and does not need to be HD and supports NTSC resolutions.

ATSC tuners are also not an option for everyone as it is still line of sight, and is an all or nothing situation, unlike old OTA reception where a bad signal results in static or colour distortion, ATSC is either you get the signal, or you don't which usually means you need a strong signal to get a channel. I personally use it to get local channels from buffalo NY, as ATSC signals are usually much less compressed and look much better than the compressed signals you receive from your cable/satellite company.

RE: Only if
By softwiz on 9/27/2007 3:05:56 PM , Rating: 2
Considering people most likely connected their PS2 to their TV via composite (RCA) cables rather than component cables (which were available), I can see why you might think it looks better.

Upscaling on the PS3 is disabled when using any other output than HDMI and therefore is subject to the 480p resolution limitation just as the PS2 is. This, of course assumes you're talking about games that can be played on BOTH PS2 and the PS3. Otherwise, I can't see how it could really be any better "technically" regardless of how it may "look" to you.

ATSC stands for Advanced Television Systems Committee. Which is an international organization establishing broadcasting standards for digital (including high-definition and data). While it's used outside north america, I will concede that's not totally universal yet. I also didn't mean to imply that any console would use it to connect to the TV. It was mentioned as another example of how the NTSC / PAL issue might be side stepped. Sorry for any confusion.

Short of buying a new TV, ATSC tuners can be bought as aftermarket add-ons. They may cost more people want to spend but they are an option that is available to most people. Okay, enough talk about tuners.

RE: Only if
By omnicronx on 9/27/2007 4:07:00 PM , Rating: 2
Are you really implying the only difference between the ps3 and the ps2 is resolution? First off the difference between component and composite cables were negligable with the ps2, imagines may have appeared sharper but composite was still 480i and component was still 480p(480i still if used on an analogue tv). The polycount in the ps3 compared to the ps2 is night and day and the ps2 does not have shaders, AA, etc..

I had a ps2, i have a 360, i play the same games on the same TV. I am not saying the look better to me, i am saying with 100% certainty that all games will look graphically superior to all people. Another example of this is i have a 100 inch wide screen EDTV, that means although it accepts HD resolutions it still converts the signal into 480p, and once again the difference is day and night.

Hell go play a game like madden and look at the crowed on the ps2, they look like 2d pieces of paper, compare that to the same game on ps3 or 360 the crowed somewhat looks 3d and real, even on SD

RE: Only if
By softwiz on 9/27/2007 5:18:58 PM , Rating: 3
Are you really implying the only difference between the ps3 and the ps2 is resolution?

Of course not, I already stated before the bounds of my comparison which you may have missed or ignored. I was debating nothing more than the lack of PQ improvement between the PS2 & PS3 while using games common to both consoles (i.e. PS1 / PS2 titles) on analog displays.

However, if you've been arguing that PS3 games look better than PS2 games (even on SD or ED display devices) then you indeed deserve a "Captain Obvious" award because you're definitely right about that!

RE: Only if
By Behlal on 9/27/2007 1:37:04 PM , Rating: 2
In most of Europe, the TVs can handle both a native NTSC or PAL signal and are not limited to just one.

RE: Only if
By omnicronx on 9/27/2007 2:05:46 PM , Rating: 2
no.. they can handle 625/50 and 525/60 timings. They still have a different colour encoding. It's a big misconception that the difference between NTSC and PAL are the timings. PAL could have 525 timings and NTSC could have 625. What sets them apart is the way the colours are encoded. Of course many european tv's can accept hybrid signals (mix of both) but does than mean the PS3 outputs in PAL60? I am quite confused here, and it still doesn't explain how PAL games would work in North America. Has anyone tried it by any chance?

RE: Only if
By Polynikes on 9/27/2007 12:08:00 PM , Rating: 3
That blows. What's up with that high price?

The yen is worth a fraction of the pound; you should be getting the PS3 for pretty damn cheap, theoretically.

RE: Only if
By semo on 9/27/2007 3:24:29 PM , Rating: 2
something about extra taxes vat or whatever, it doesn't matter, everything is more expensive in britain and not just the ps3. good thing the wages are higher than most places too.

RE: Only if
By 3kliksphilip on 9/27/2007 3:33:19 PM , Rating: 2
I know somebody who just spent £525 on one ($1050). It's so expensive in England. (I laughed when I found a case for £60, looked in America and it was $60)

RE: Only if
By afkrotch on 10/1/2007 1:00:25 AM , Rating: 2
Why even attempt to talk about the difference between quid and dollars?

Let me ask you, how much do you make an hour in quid and in dollars? Probably more then your US brethren. Also blame your own country for taxing the hell out of everything.

"What would I do? I'd shut it down and give the money back to the shareholders." -- Michael Dell, after being asked what to do with Apple Computer in 1997
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