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GISS's James Hansen  (Source: NASA)
New issues swirl around controversial NASA branch

NASA's primary climate monitoring agency is the Goddard Institute of Space Studies.  Operating out of a small office at Columbia University, GISS is run by Dr. James Hansen. Official NASA climate statements come through GISS ... which means they must get by  Hansen.  Many other scientists and agencies make climate predictions, but Hansen's top the list for scare  factor, predicting consequences considerably more dire than his colleagues.

Hansen specializes in climate "modeling" -- attempting to predict future events based on computer simulations. In 1971, Hansen wrote his first climate model, which showed the world was about to experience severe global cooling. NASA colleagues used it to warn the world that immediate action was needed to prevent catastrophe.

Most research papers are rather dry reading, written to be as unemotional as possible. Not so with Hansen's reports, whose works scream alarmism even in their titles: "Climate Catastrophe," "Can We Defuse the Global Warming Time Bomb," and "The Threat to the Planet." Hansen was most recently in the news when an amateur blogger discovered an error in his climate data, a mistake Hansen later discounted as unimportant to the "big picture" of compelling public action on climate change.

But who is James Hansen? Is he an impartial researcher seeking scientific truth? Or a political activist with an axe to grind?

In 2006, Hansen accused the Bush Administration of attempting to censor him. The issue stemmed from an email sent by a 23-year old NASA public affairs intern. It warned Hansen over repeated violations of NASA's official press policy, which requires the agency be notified prior to interviews. Hansen claimed he was being "silenced," despite delivering over 1,400 interviews in recent years, including 15 the very month he made the claim.  While he admits to violating the NASA press policy, Hansen states he had a "constitutional right" to grant interviews.  Hansen then began a barrage of public appearances on TV, radio and in lecture halls decrying the politicization of climate science.

Turns out he was right. Science was being politicized. By him.

A report revealed just this week, shows the 'Open Society Institute'  funded Hansen to the tune of $720,000, carefully orchestrating his entire media campaign. OSI, a political group which spent $74 million in 2006 to "shape public policy," is funded by billionaire George Soros, the largest backer of Kerry's 2004 Presidential Campaign. Soros, who once declared that "removing Bush from office was the "central focus" of his life, has also given tens of millions of dollars to MoveOn.Org and other political action groups.

Certainly Soros has a right to spend his own money. But NASA officials have a responsibility to accurate, unbiased, nonpartisan science. For Hansen to secretly receive a large check from Soros, then begin making unsubstantiated claims about administrative influence on climate science is more than suspicious -- it's a clear conflict of interest. 

But the issues don't stop here.  Hansen received an earlier $250,000 grant from the Heinz Foundation, an organization run by Kerry's wife, which he followed by publicly endorsing Kerry.  Hansen also acted as a paid consultant to Gore during the making of his global-warming film, "An Inconvenient Truth," and even personally promoted the film during an NYC event.

After the the GISS data error was revealed, Hansen finally agreed to make public the method he uses to generate "official"  temperature records from the actual readings. That process has been revealed to be thousands of lines of source code, containing hundreds of arbitrary "bias" adjustments to individual sites, tossing out many readings entirely, and raising (or lowering) the actual values for others, sometimes by several degrees.  Many areas with weak or no rising temperature trends are therefore given, after adjustment, a much sharper trend.  A full audit of the Hansen code is currently underway, but it seems clear that Hansen has more explaining to do.

George Deutsch, the NASA intern who resigned over the censorship fallout, said he was initially warned about Hansen when starting the job, "People said ... you gotta watch that guy. He is a loose cannon; he is kind of crazy. He is difficult to work with; he is an alarmist; he exaggerates.'" 

Hansen's office did not return a request from DailyTech for an interview for this article.

Update: Hansen has denied receiving direct funding from OSI.  Investors Business Daily is standing behind the story, claiming the funding first passed through the Government Accountability Project, which then used it to package Hansen for the media.


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A Couple Criticisms
By JasonMick (blog) on 9/26/2007 1:26:33 PM , Rating: 1
While I enjoyed much of your article, and appreciate your opinion and effort taken in your GISS/Hansen research, I have a couple criticisms.

I am completely okay with your one on one with Hansen, however I take issue with a couple of the statements which you chose to include in your article.

First I think the whole "who Soros donated money to politically" as some sort of tie-in is pretty ridiculous. This article is about GW factuality and bias in GW research, and you are making into some sort of political statement.

His campaign contributions really don't have anything to do with the main point of this article, you are simply politicizing and marginalizing your own good points.

Lets face it--lots of billonaires donate lots of money to lots of campaigns. Wow. No big surprise, so there was no real point to include it.

Also, I take issue to the comment that all NASA climate statements "come from Hansen". You probably meant "have to be approved by, but the message is decidely different. It would be accurate to suggest that Hansen may be filtering the content. It is ridiculous to infer that he is originating the majority of it.

Also you have to realize that despite Hansen there are many other Ph.D researchers at GISS and related institutes that have been involved in GISS climate studies. While Hansen's work is certainly suspect, without specifically naming allegations, it is unfair to these other researchers to blanketly discredit their work as it was filtered by Hansen.

I think you may well be right about Hansen...you have kinda had a crusade against him, so you certainly know far more about his practices than me. But be careful to blanketly criticize many highly motivated, high intelligent Ph.D researchers, who are just trying to do their job.

Otherwise, nice job.

Also, as an aside I would love for you to do an article on your thoughts on CIRES. They publish tons of climate studies, but I never see you knock them. Do you feel their research is more factual/less biased?




RE: A Couple Criticisms
By TomZ on 9/26/2007 2:12:42 PM , Rating: 2
I personally don't think your criticism rings true. Michael is right to trace the money trail with GISS, since money is a pretty common source of corruption. The evidence in this case seems pretty convincing.

I agree that Hansen might be "just trying to do his job"; however, I think he may have lost sight of what his job is, and how to remain an objective scientist. He seems to have turned into a politician himself and seems to be injecting his own views into GISS papers and possibly into the actual data itself. It's pretty unbelieveable this could happen in this day and age.

Let's talk about prosecution!!! Well, I'm kidding about that...I think....


RE: A Couple Criticisms
By JasonMick (blog) on 9/26/2007 2:24:26 PM , Rating: 1
I wasn't talking about Hansen. I don't doubt that Hansen was out of line.

I was referring to the many Ph.D researchers under him, whose names are being perhaps unfairly smeared, without individual examination.

The main problem I had with the political points was that the Kerry-Hansen link was tenuous at best. Hansen's work has been regarded as a sort of "do good cause" so it is not surprising that philanthropic organizations such as the Heinz Foundation donated to his research. Patronism of research is nothing new.

As to Soros funding Kerry's campaign, so what. Kerry did not make global warming his chief focus. Rather, he talked a whole lot about a whole bunch of other things. A few scant sound bytes where he says hes against global warming, don't change the fact that the issue was not his primary focus. So this link is very tenuous at best.

I think you could say Soros is politically interested, but that is aside the point, and not entirely relevant.

As to the Gore connection, maybe that is more relevant, but why would Gore not hire one of the loudest voices on Global warming to advise a movie about global warming? I don't see this as cronyism...its just a sensical move. I am sure Gore will move to distance himself from Hansen if Hansen's work is discredited.

There are plenty of other more respectable researchers doing GW work than Hansen, including some at the GISS, and many at CIRES.

Be careful when you mix politics and GW unless you can 100% back up your allegations. Otherwise it is lost as sensationalist political FUD. Considering your good points about the bias and unscientific practice in Hansen's research, that would be a shame.


RE: A Couple Criticisms
By porkpie on 9/26/2007 2:35:46 PM , Rating: 5
Let me spell it out for you.

1. Soros makes defeating Bush his life's goal.
2. Soros gives fat check to Hansen
3. Kerry gives fat check to Hansen
4. Hansen begins denouncing Bush as "interfering" with NASA research and endorses Kerry.

See how it all ties together?


RE: A Couple Criticisms
By JasonMick (blog) on 9/26/2007 2:38:32 PM , Rating: 1
Bush has nothing to do with Hansen's factual accuracy. Stay on point.

And take a look at #3.
If you are referring to the Heinz contribution, $250,000 in terms of a research contribution is hardly a "fat check". I was working under a professor at Oakland University (hardly a huge college), which had several million in contributions just from DARPA.

You are grasping at straws.


RE: A Couple Criticisms
By TomZ on 9/26/2007 3:00:59 PM , Rating: 2
$250K might not be a lot for Oakland University, but it might be for Hansen and/or GISS (not sure who exactly received the funds - I assume GISS). Your comparison is invalid.


RE: A Couple Criticisms
By onelittleindian on 9/26/2007 3:30:29 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
$250,000 in terms of a research contribution is hardly a "fat check".
When Exxon tried to give a climate researcher a $10K check, everyone said it was a huge amount and forced them to retract the offer. Now 25X more is "no big deal"? Talk about a double standard!


RE: A Couple Criticisms
By Ratwar on 9/26/2007 7:39:53 PM , Rating: 1
Yeah, I mean, $250,000 is chicken feed compared to what Exxon dishes out!

http://ethicsdaily.com/article_detail.cfm?AID=7741 ($2.32 million)

Note: I'm sure certain Global Warming advocates receive plenty of bias funding as well. I'm just trying to demonstrate that bias funding is hardly a one sided deal.


RE: A Couple Criticisms
By masher2 (blog) on 9/26/2007 7:48:42 PM , Rating: 2
From you own link, one of the funded organizations was The Acton Institute. From their mission statement:
quote:
The Institute organises seminars for religious leaders, academics and business leaders which aim to link economics and religion. It publishes books, journals, and opinion about related issues
Are you seriously trying to compare funding an organization like this with funding a government research scientist?

The Congress of Racial Equality and the Competive Enterprise Institute. Off all the various groups funded, only one seems to have anything directly to do with global warming, and even your own link doesn't claim any researchers were directly funded.


RE: A Couple Criticisms
By tcsenter on 9/27/2007 6:01:30 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Are you seriously trying to compare funding an organization like this with funding a government research scientist?
lol! It is amazing, isn't it?

A corporation gives nearly $1 million to several privately-funded advocacy groups or organizations and the global warming zealots chant "follow the money".

Soro's foundation gives about the same amount to one scientist who heads the government's CLIMATE RESEARCH AGENCY (i.e. funded by tax payers), and the left casually dismisses it as 'no big deal, the government doesn't pay much and he has a family to support, it doesn't influence his research.'

Hell, the left chants "follow the money" when an eminently-qualified scientist received corporate money 10 years ago pursuant to some work performed 10 years ago, even where there has been absolutely no funding or connection since (e.g. Fred Singer), or when a scientist merely is affiliated with an organization or group that has received corporate funding at some point in time.

But the left cutting a huge check directly to a leading GOVERNMENT scientist while he holds a position of public trust?

'No big deal, it doesn't influence his research.' lol!


RE: A Couple Criticisms
By pliny on 9/26/2007 10:29:35 PM , Rating: 3
The $250,000 presumably refers to his 2001 Heinz Foundation award http://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/news/20010305/. It wasn't research funding.


RE: A Couple Criticisms
By porkpie on 9/27/2007 9:35:26 AM , Rating: 3
So that $250K went right into Hansen's personal pocket, rather than the GISS budget? That's even worse.


RE: A Couple Criticisms
By Keeir on 9/26/2007 2:56:03 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I think you could say Soros is politically interested, but that is aside the point, and not entirely relevant.


I think its very important to know more about the contributors to understand possible motives. You make the best example of it right in your post.

From the article it appears Soros main objective was to use Hansen and Global warming to advance completely unrelated political objectives. This is a different sort of bias than accepting money from an organization that wants, for example, people to use bicycles. Or "save the enviroment" type groups. In this sense its important to get a clear enough picture of the funding to sense what kind of additional bias it might introduce into the research.


RE: A Couple Criticisms
By Ringold on 9/26/2007 5:51:15 PM , Rating: 2
That's a great point. Those who seek influence in the halls of power are plenty intelligent enough to know that they can pursue one goal they may not at all care about at the time to advance a larger goal. Not everything has to be done in a perfectly linear fashion.


RE: A Couple Criticisms
By JasonMick (blog) on 9/26/2007 2:15:57 PM , Rating: 2
For those who have no clue what I was referring to with my comment on the about NASA climate statements "come from Hansen", it applied to the pre-edit text and no longer applies. Thanks for the change, Mike!
Sorry if that confused anyone.

The rest of my comment still applies.

Also another question...it doesn't really pertain to your message about Hansen, but are you quoting Soros as the largest backer of the Kerry campaign, or the largest private backer? I thought there were some much larger corporate/Lobbyist backers.


RE: A Couple Criticisms
By JasonMick (blog) on 9/26/2007 2:33:27 PM , Rating: 4
An interesting breakdown on the whole Kerry contribution thing, here are the business side contributions for Kerry v. Bush:
http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/thepoliticalsystem/a...

The numbers pretty much speak for themselves.

Kerry had less money, but also disclosed less:
http://www.command-post.org/2004/2_archives/014647...

According to the current OpenSecrets data, Bush’s stats are:

Full Disclosure: $156,147,934 (93.0%)
Incomplete: $2,378,738 (1.4%)
No Disclosure: $9,309,250(5.5%)

Full Disclosure: $85,533,842 (76.4%)
Incomplete: $762,427 (0.7%)
No Disclosure: $25,619,547 (22.9%)

Most of Soros' money went to MoveOn.org ($5 million). Of the other 10 million, most went to America Coming Together (ACT), a liberal group which promote both Congressional and the presidential race.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A24179-20...

Again, I don't think that whole link is pertinent to this discussion.
Kerry’s, on the other hand, are:


RE: A Couple Criticisms
By masher2 (blog) on 9/26/2007 2:42:33 PM , Rating: 3
> Most of Soros' money went to MoveOn.org ($5 million). Of the other 10 million, most went to America Coming Together (ACT)"

According to the Center for Responsive Politics, during the 2003-2004 election cycle, Soros donated $23,581,000 to various 527 Groups dedicated to defeating Bush.

The link here is relevant because, contrary to Hansen's portrayal of himself as a lonely government whisteblower, he was actually being both bankrolled and directed by Soros's organization.


RE: A Couple Criticisms
By jskirwin on 9/26/2007 2:45:02 PM , Rating: 2
What's noteworthy is how unsuccessful George Soros has been. For all the cash he throws around, he's gotten very little to show for it - Bush still in office and US forces still in Iraq/Afghanistan being his most glaring failures.


RE: A Couple Criticisms
By Kuroyama on 9/26/2007 3:45:43 PM , Rating: 2
While Soros' dabbling in US politics seems to be the main thing he's known for here, the bulk of his money has gone to much better causes such as helping to spread democracy and capitalism in former communist countries. At one point in the 90's he was even giving more money aid money to the former USSR / Eastern Bloc than the US government was.


RE: A Couple Criticisms
By dever on 9/27/2007 3:27:06 PM , Rating: 3
Interesting... so he sees it as a zero sum game. You must get rid of capitalism here to spread is somewhere else.


RE: A Couple Criticisms
By JasonMick (blog) on 9/26/2007 2:54:46 PM , Rating: 4
Mike.
Again, you are transforming this into a political debate.

This is not a politics site. In fact, Dailytech's policy is to avoid issues of politics or religion.

If you have a specific allegation name it (i.e. Soros donated xx dollars, and he has voiced bias..etc.), but vague facts like "He also opposed Bush!" are not appropriate for this site.

If you want to write a politics blog, write one, by all means...there are many political blog sites, some of whom might even pay you for your effort.

This is not the place though.

Blanket political attacks simply undermine this site's credibility and divide its users.

DailyTech == TECH
DailyTech != POLITICS

This is my main gripe, understood?


RE: A Couple Criticisms
By TomZ on 9/26/2007 2:59:46 PM , Rating: 2
Jason, how can a blog article with the title "NASA, James Hansen, and the Politicization of Science" not have a discussion that involves politics in the reader comments? You're being unrealistic.

DailyTech == Anything We Want To Talk About (within the limits of good taste)


RE: A Couple Criticisms
By JasonMick (blog) on 9/26/2007 3:17:25 PM , Rating: 3
Not true. Dailytech avoids politics and religion unless generally, to avoid alienating readers. For example, they would not post a blog saying "XXXX religion thinks birth control is evil" even though it is science related. Most D-Tech writers try to follow this informal rule. If you don't believe me look through the articles. We're here to sound off on tech, not politics.

Blogs are a free realm, but authors are expected not to stray to far into the realm of irrelevance, the same as comment posters are supposed to generally stay on topic and not just state unrelated opinions.

On a specific issue I understand that it is okay to briefly look at the politics, but when you start talking about people's campaigns and campaign finances and presidential elections, you've gone out of the realm of tech related politics and into the realm of pure political debate.

That is not what this site is about, last I checked.


RE: A Couple Criticisms
By TomZ on 9/26/2007 3:29:58 PM , Rating: 1
Jason, as one of the other posters pointed out, you're just trying to curtail or silence the discussion here.

In addition, there's nothing special or unusual about discussing politics - politics are discussed in the DT comments nearly every day in one form or another.


RE: A Couple Criticisms
By masher2 (blog) on 9/26/2007 3:49:15 PM , Rating: 3
I think Jason's point in general is accurate. We certainly want to avoid sinking into political polemic. Where I think he goes off base is in the definition of "discussing politics" which to most people implies taking a side on a political issue.

This article isn't promoting or attacking any particular politician; it's merely demonstrating a link between politics and one particular effect its had on climate science.


RE: A Couple Criticisms
By TomZ on 9/26/2007 4:02:30 PM , Rating: 2
I think it's also important to distinguish between the articles and the comments. I can certainly understand some restraint in terms of the topics and content of the articles. When it comes to the comments, however, I think that DT readers (and DT authors) should have more liberty to speak as they please (again, within reason). I think this even would include not just discussing politics as you say, but taking sides - I think that's legit in the comments section anyway.


RE: A Couple Criticisms
By Murst on 9/26/2007 4:14:24 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
it's merely demonstrating a link between politics and one particular effect its had on climate science


And you have not proven that, which is what I think Jason is stating. You simply injected your own opinion into what was happening and wanted it taken as fact. Just because Hassen got money from Soros, that doesn't mean it influenced his articles. Were Hassen's views different prior to receiving money? Did they change after receiving it? You would have to prove these things instead of making crazy accusations in order to prove your point.


RE: A Couple Criticisms
By TomZ on 9/26/2007 4:19:55 PM , Rating: 1
Michael is not saying one caused the other - he is saying there is clearly a potential conflict of interest by illustrating the money trail involved here. Are you disagreeing that there is a potential conflict of interest in this situation?


RE: A Couple Criticisms
By Murst on 9/26/2007 4:24:54 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
For Hansen to secretly receive a large check from Soros, then begin making unsubstantiated claims about administrative influence on climate science


To me, it seems like Michael is trying to say that one caused the other... I just cannot see how you could read that differently.

How exactly did you interpret the sentance above?


RE: A Couple Criticisms
By TomZ on 9/26/2007 4:39:07 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
How exactly did you interpret the sentance above?

I interpret that as X happened followed by Y - and it is left to the reader to decide if X caused Y. Direct cause-effect is hard to prove, so the best we can do is decide whether it is reasonable that X could cause Y or not.


RE: A Couple Criticisms
By Murst on 9/26/2007 5:01:38 PM , Rating: 2
To determine causality, you would have to prove that Y happened because of X. Simply stating that Y followed by X, without any other backing, is rather silly if you want to determine causality.

For example, you certainly wouldn't agree that an increase in C02 emissions due to human behavior is causing global warming. However, a global temperature rise has followed an increase in C02 emissions due to human behavior. Both of us will agree that this is not enough to establish AGW.

I guess I just do not see how you could come to the conclusion that the reason why Hassen is writing these articles is because of Soros. Even though I think Michael brings up some very good points about Hassen's research, I do believe that Hassen would have held the same viewpoint on global warming if Soros was not in the picture. There's just nothing in the article that would make me think otherwise.

Again... do I think Hassen's research has any credibility? Not really. If Dick Cheney was funding Hassen, I would hold the same view of Hassen's research. It really has nothing to do with where the money came from. The entire argument that it is all politically motivated is complete conjecture. A much more believable is that Hassen acted unethically in reporting his research.


RE: A Couple Criticisms
By Keeir on 9/26/2007 5:13:19 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
You simply injected your own opinion into what was happening and wanted it taken as fact.


I am reading this whole article differently I guess.

The problem with the Soros money to Hansen is appearance and disclosure. As a scientist and governmental employee Hansen 1. should not have accepted contributions from any political based group (IE OSI) 2. should have disclosed possible conflicts of interest promptly (Hienz and Gore incidents). 1 and 2 are basic forms of Scientific, Engineering and Professional conduct guidelines. This creates the appearence that Hansen has politicized his science which is essentially the same thing as politicizing his science.


RE: A Couple Criticisms
By Murst on 9/26/2007 5:36:57 PM , Rating: 2
I will agree with you that Hansen did not act ethically. However, what I disagree with is that politics influenced his research. To me, it actually makes much more sense the other way around (that it was Hansen that drew the money from Soros, and it was Hansen who drew the attention of Gore).

Could Soros pay off a scientist to alter his research to attempt to prove a theory? Sure. But why would he do that? There is a ton of scientists who would argue that theory anyways. Simply give them money to research and let them do their own thing. The exact same thing appears to have happened with Hansen. There just doesn't seem to be any proof that his research and viewpoints were changed after receiving money, which is what the article is attempting to imply.


RE: A Couple Criticisms
By Keeir on 9/26/2007 7:04:40 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
However, what I disagree with is that politics influenced his research.


By that you mean did OSI (et al) directly stipulate that Hansen change research to recieve funding? I would call that research fraud. I do not see the article implying research fraud at all. The article does imply that HANSEN has a significant personal bias on climate research. But, Hansen could have had his own views and expressed them when appropriate without turning his research into a political tool with the assistance of a lobby/activist group.


RE: A Couple Criticisms
By tcsenter on 9/27/2007 6:43:54 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I will agree with you that Hansen did not act ethically. However, what I disagree with is that politics influenced his research. To me, it actually makes much more sense the other way around (that it was Hansen that drew the money from Soros, and it was Hansen who drew the attention of Gore).
e.g. the NRA doesn't pay candidates to vote against gun control, the NRA supports candidates who would oppose gun control as a matter of principle, with or without the NRA's money. IOW, the money gravitates to the position, not the other way around.

I agree this is generally the way it works, though not in every case. However, the left works tirelessly to discredit the message via any perceived conflict of interest on the part of the messenger. It is only fair it be held to the same standard.

I'm confident we'll find you here taking the same position the next time someone tries to discredit research that is critical of or contradictory to anthropogenic global warming orthodoxy merely because the author was a paid intern, research fellow, or consultant for Exxon 15 years ago (or some other such nonsense). ;-)


RE: A Couple Criticisms
By jskirwin on 9/26/2007 3:51:00 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
That is not what this site is about, last I checked.


Since when?

This site hosts the original story posted in Jan 2006 where Hansen claimed to have been muzzled by the Bush administration. Since then I've read numerous stories here about the politics of GW, outsourcing and other tech stories with political angles.

quote:
"XXXX religion thinks birth control is evil"


There's a difference between "science related" (which BC itself is not BTW) and topics where the subject is science.

Hansen is a scientist. He has used his role as a scientist to promote a political agenda. He also happens to receive funding from a wealthy political activist. What's the problem?

I've seen similar stories here about Michael Behan and the ID scientists receiving money from right wing donors. Are you going to stop posting those?

Let people decide for themselves what's appropriate.


RE: A Couple Criticisms
By masher2 (blog) on 9/26/2007 3:00:46 PM , Rating: 2
> "DailyTech != POLITICS"

This particular article is about the politicization of science. While I see your point, I feel that an activist's proxy use of a NASA scientist to achieve his political goals is relevant. The story isn't a political attack on anyone; it's merely pointing out how politics have, in this case, influenced the professional actions of a top NASA scientist.

We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.


RE: A Couple Criticisms
By Ratwar on 9/26/2007 7:46:09 PM , Rating: 2
I think that it is a very bias and politically motivated article on the politicization of science as it only looks at one side of the story. The Anti-Global Warming scientists have plenty of funding skeletons in their pocket too.


RE: A Couple Criticisms
By TomZ on 9/26/2007 8:09:30 PM , Rating: 2
Please enlighten us about the same... Though I doubt you'll find any as juicy as Hansen. I mean, director of a NASA division in charge of climate modeling "on the take" (I'm exaggerating of course) - that's pretty good.


RE: A Couple Criticisms
By Ratwar on 9/26/2007 9:04:38 PM , Rating: 1
Yeah, I will admit, it would be hard to find one bigger, but I can find plenty... Once you start looking into funding of research, things get depressing very quickly...

The Marshall Institute- $170,000 in 2004 from Exxon Mobile. Institutes's stated goal, "The Marshall Institute seeks to counter this trend by providing policymakers with rigorous, clearly written and unbiased technical analyses on a range of public policy issues. Through briefings to the press, publication programs, speaking tours and public forums, the Institute seeks to preserve the integrity of science and promote scientific literacy." (http://www.exxonmobil.com/corporate/files/corporat...

Heartland Institute- $500,000+ from Exxon since 1998. $100,000 in 2004, $20,000 specifically for climate change. "Heartland's mission is to discover, develop, and promote free-market solutions to social and economic problems. Such solutions include parental choice in education, choice and personal responsibility in health care, market-based approaches to environmental protection, privatization of public services, and deregulation in areas where property rights and markets do a better job than government bureaucracies."

(http://www.exxonsecrets.org/html/orgfactsheet.php?...
(http://www.exxonmobil.com/corporate/files/corporat...

Science & Environmental Policy Project- $20,000 from Exxon.
Mission: "The Science & Environmental Policy Project was founded in 1990 by atmospheric physicist S. Fred Singer on the premise that sound, credible science must form the basis for health and environmental decisions that affect millions of people and cost tens of billions of dollars every year. A non-profit, 501(c)3 educational group, its mission was to clarify the diverse problems facing the planet and, where necessary, arrive at effective, cost-conscious solutions.

(http://www.exxonsecrets.org/html/orgfactsheet.php?...


RE: A Couple Criticisms
By Ringold on 9/27/2007 1:48:48 PM , Rating: 3
Am I the only one that, based on your description, thinks Exxon should add another zero to their donation to the Heartland Institute?

Limited govenrment intervention in citizens lives, better schools, more paying jobs, individual economic liberty and prosperity for America! Oh! The shame!


RE: A Couple Criticisms
By TomZ on 9/27/2007 3:20:28 PM , Rating: 2
No, you're not the only one. But obviously they benefit greatly from less regulation, and I don't fully trust companies to police themselves, and so I wouldn't want to take that to any kind of extreme.


RE: A Couple Criticisms
By clovell on 9/26/2007 4:24:47 PM , Rating: 4
Jason,

You can't discuss potential bias within the study of AGW and not bring up politics. There is no doubt that the Democratic Party has assimilated AGW into their platform. To accept a lopsided amount of funding and / or grants on a topic that, by your own words, is still under review from a source that has a vested interest does not ring as objective science.

The money trail may not be a counter-arguement on its own, but I think Michael has done a good job of using it not as a basis, but as a support for his article.

I do see your point - that DT is a Tech site. However, I think Michael and you are on the same page more than you think. Michael address the clear mixing of politics and science in this issue with the same contempt you have. He's striving to expose it so that we can strip away the bias that hangs over AGW and get at the truth. I think you'll agree that's a goal to work towards.


RE: A Couple Criticisms
By Ringold on 9/26/2007 6:06:14 PM , Rating: 2
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There is no doubt that the Democratic Party has assimilated AGW into their platform.


I agree. That the political parties in America have aligned so neatly on the opposing sides of global warmings cause and what to do about it means that this is no less political of a topic in nature than abortion. The only way to full extricate politics from GW at this point would be to, like abortion, not talk about it at all.

I think it was TomZ who made the distinction between the blog itself and the comments. That's a good one; a blog post can avoid being mired in politics while a conversation can take place freely amongst posters regarding the political side. That's about the most one could even possibly hope for as far as seperating politics from AGW news at this point, IMHO.

That said, like you said clovell, it's sad that this is the way it is, but... getting right back in to it... it wasn't conservatives around the globe that launched the assault.


RE: A Couple Criticisms
By TomZ on 9/26/2007 8:16:19 PM , Rating: 2
It does seem as though the Democrats have tied their fortunes to the global warming juggernaut, for better or worse. Just a few months ago I would have argued that neither party was really aligned with AGW/CO2, but listening to the Presidential debates has changed my mind about that.

With a lot of Americans believing in AGW, the Republicans had better get some strategy figured out on that topic, otherwise it may prove to be a significant factor in the elections. I'd like to see a good, clean race in November '08.


RE: A Couple Criticisms
By pliny on 9/26/2007 10:44:46 PM , Rating: 2
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he was actually being both bankrolled and directed by Soros's organization

This is wild exaggeration. The only link with Soros is the sentence in the 2006 OSI report (http://www.soros.org/resources/articles_publicatio... p 123) which says that the Government Accountability Project, which had received OSI grants, gave Hansen "legal and media advice" during his dispute with NASA over interview access.


RE: A Couple Criticisms
By blackseed on 9/27/2007 1:24:59 PM , Rating: 2
You are nick picking on small things. Large sum went to GISS that is fact and Hansen had something to do with it.

Lets just concentrate on large picture.


RE: A Couple Criticisms
By masher2 (blog) on 9/26/2007 2:29:30 PM , Rating: 2
> "Also you have to realize that despite Hansen there are many other Ph.D researchers at GISS and related institutes "

You have to remember that GISS is a fairly small institute. Hansen is author, co-author, or contributor to a sizeable percentage of the papers penned by GISS. Furthermore, Hansen not only approves and directs all research at GISS, but in his position as director, he controls what post-docs it hires as well.

You're totally correct about statements from other NASA agencies such as the Ames Research Center or GHCC. But you don't hear those agencies making the same overly-dramatic scare stories that GISS does. And the largest amount, by far, of media coverage of NASA climate releases comes from GISS.


RE: A Couple Criticisms
By JasonMick (blog) on 9/26/2007 2:36:00 PM , Rating: 2
Cool, I've had my say.

I know what you are saying, but I am sure there are some good folks at GISS.

I mean it sounds by your descriptions like Hansen is a rogue agent.

I've been trying to post more research from CIRES, based on your comments.

You certainly have a number of valid points.


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