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Steve Jobs has a change of heart

Yesterday's announcement of the $200 price reduction for the 8GB iPhone was a shock to the system. No one in the industry was expecting it and customers that had already purchased the machine at the $599 price point were fuming mad. To get an idea about how angry some customers were, look no further than this thread at Mac Rumors which is 1500+ posts long.

Steve Jobs got also got an earful with irate customers and his inbox was overloaded with customer complaints about the $200 price cut after only two months on the market.  In an open letter to all iPhone customers, Steve Jobs expressed his "observations and conclusions."

"First, I am sure that we are making the correct decision to lower the price of the 8GB iPhone from $599 to $399, and that now is the right time to do it," said Jobs. "It benefits both Apple and every iPhone user to get as many new customers as possible in the iPhone 'tent'. We strongly believe the $399 price will help us do just that this holiday season."

On the flipside, Jobs was also sympathetic to the outrage expressed by existing iPhone owners. “Therefore, we have decided to offer every iPhone customer who purchased an iPhone from either Apple or AT&T, and who is not receiving a rebate or any other consideration, a $100 store credit towards the purchase of any product at an Apple Retail Store or the Apple Online Store," Jobs continued.

Jobs noted that more details will be posted next week as Apple and AT&T work out the details of the program.

$100 of in-store credit isn't exactly the same thing as $200 in cold cash, but it's surely better than nothing at all.



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Act First, Think Later
By TomZ on 9/6/2007 4:13:55 PM , Rating: 5
So is this another proof that Apple has adopted the motto of "act first, think later"?

Seriously, why was this an afterthought? Anybody who thought about it should have realized that such an early, steep price drop would annoy iPhone customers.

I applaud Apple's quick remedies, however, it seems like some of their problems are kind of self-induced.




RE: Act First, Think Later
By Quiksel on 9/6/2007 4:24:08 PM , Rating: 2
I hope you get a 6 for that one, TomZ, because you're right about this one (despite my fondness of many things Apple)... They really should have seen this one coming, and it really doesn't make sense to continuously behave this way as a company.

What is sort of sad, though, is that the $100 isn't a rebate or anything, it's a credit to their own store, which in many ways is an easy way to come out looking better than you are... I suppose people will use it for accessories and whatnot, but even still... dang.

~q


RE: Act First, Think Later
By Murst on 9/6/2007 5:00:02 PM , Rating: 2
Its still better than nothing.

I can't think of another time when a company did something like this.


RE: Act First, Think Later
By TomZ on 9/6/07, Rating: 0
RE: Act First, Think Later
By Pirks on 9/6/07, Rating: -1
RE: Act First, Think Later
By TomZ on 9/6/2007 5:57:52 PM , Rating: 1
The comparison between this situation and WinFS makes no sense. WinFS was a product/feature that was cancelled. Apple made a pricing/customer relations mistake. Not even close to similar.

Nice try, save your Microsoft venom for some other thread.


RE: Act First, Think Later
By Pirks on 9/6/07, Rating: -1
RE: Act First, Think Later
By TomZ on 9/6/2007 10:26:38 PM , Rating: 2
Blah, blah, blah. You did realize this article was about Apple, right?

The only response I'll give you is this - you mentioned Russinovich a few times - I'm guessing he doesn't think Windows is too bad, or that Microsoft is too evil. I mean, you know what company he works for, right?

Anyway, get a life. All that hate is bad for you.


RE: Act First, Think Later
By Pirks on 9/7/2007 12:37:00 AM , Rating: 1
I wouldn't even have started posting all this had I NOT known who the heck is Russinovich and who he works for. Anyway, you have to read some more on Windows architecture, start with a) registry and its comparison with other ways to store app config data b) network throttling in vista and why it's done and c) file name restrictions in Vista. Of course you seem to not understand what I'm talking about, since you haven't read about it.

As for the article - yes, I know this is offtopic, but you mentioned other companies and I mentioned about one obvious example of "another company"

Treat it as an example please, there are other companies besides MS doing similar ugly things. I didn't mean that MS is the only one patching and hacking its products instead of doing proper design from scratch. There are others.

And, finally, I never said Windows is too bad. It is bad but yet bearable because people got used to its ugly ways. It is ok by itself, but it starts to look more and more ugly when you compare it to other more modern OSes, Mac OS is an obvious example. To understand why - you have to read up on the OS architecture topics I told you about.

P.S. Also please leave your "MS is too evil" fantasies to yourself. Thank you.


RE: Act First, Think Later
By rdeegvainl on 9/7/2007 1:46:08 AM , Rating: 2
Wow, I can't even begin to describe the diatribe i just read over your last few post, first you complain that your mac buddies rag on you for not getting sp's, then you complain that windows has so many patches. Then you go into some pseudo-cultist rant about Russinvich, swearing people have to read it, over and over. Your starting to sound like a fanatic. If you think other OS's are better, and have better architecture, that's cool and I'm glad you actually have a stated reason behind it (most just use FUD), but the biggest advantage that WINDOWS has is familiarity, with nearly literally all people who use computers. That will also keep them in the lead for many many years to come. I don't believe windows is all that and a bag of chips, (i had to get my own chips) and i am looking into working with Linux for familiarity (would try mac but not enough money) but it seems obvious that throttling at 100mb/s isn't really an issue with 99 percent of those who use machines and the huge mess that is REGISTRY, are inconvenient, but not at all deciding factors on which service to use. The main factor is compatability, with windows you just have more choices, and that is what mac needs to work on, getting people to know what choices they have, and working with developers to make things compatable with mac, sure they already do, but they need to go all out, if they really want to capture the non hate attention of more people, instead of just using elitist mentality.
that is all


RE: Act First, Think Later
By TomZ on 9/7/2007 10:24:20 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Of course you seem to not understand what I'm talking about, since you haven't read about it.

I've been a software engineer writing apps for Windows since about 1990 and device drivers for about the past 10 years, so I'd say I have more than just a passing familiarity with Windows. Prior to that I took several OS courses in college while earning my engineering degrees.

Look, no large software system is going to be perfect, especially one that has evolved over the past 20 years and which has such a strong emphasis on backward compatibility. I agree that Windows has some warts, but so what? When you look at what is important, it works for people - for end users, developers, hardware vendors, etc. That's more important than it being truly perfect and elegant in every way.

MacOS is based on Unix, so I doubt it is without its warts as well.


RE: Act First, Think Later
By mihai on 9/6/2007 5:52:34 PM , Rating: 2
I wouldn’t say a mistake. It was more like gambling and a bit of greed. The hype was so high, they thought people will buy it like fresh bread.

Yet customers were aware of the phone being overpriced - a week from its launch, news came out showing the phone components cost around $250. So I don’t understand why all the grief now, when a more decent price is asked. It’s not like people didn’t know the price premium they were paying. The $100 is really a gift to those who were so eager to have it that they didn't mind being ripped off.

BTW, I wonder if AT&T has something to do with this sharp price drop. I’m sure they were expecting higher sales as well.


RE: Act First, Think Later
By rdeegvainl on 9/7/2007 1:51:09 AM , Rating: 2
It's kind of like the collectors mentality, that it is worth so much because so few people will have it, that when the price drops, they are forced to look at the real value of the item, and get mad that companies made whatever it is more accessible to everyone else. Elitist wanting to pay to be elitist, and complaining when others get a better deal, if you thought the IPHONE was worth 600 dollars and paid for it and were happy, then what did you lose? but most people don't think the IPHONE is worth 600 so they didn't buy it and apple lowered the price. Still such a steep price drop just shows what kind of crap price it had to begin with.


RE: Act First, Think Later
By natehow on 9/6/2007 5:07:11 PM , Rating: 2
its THINK DIFFERENT!!! not think later :) but yeah i despise apple for many reasons this is def one of them


RE: Act First, Think Later
By spluurfg on 9/6/2007 5:11:53 PM , Rating: 4
quote:
Seriously, why was this an afterthought? Anybody who thought about it should have realized that such an early, steep price drop would annoy iPhone customers.


Well, not having a price cut would not materially benefit any of the people who purchased the iPhone at $600, unless they intended to resell their iPhone. Sure it's annoying, but Apple has not really taken anything away from its customers.

Second, since when does anybody else out there respond to complaints like this with goodies worth $100? Now that Itunes is DRM-free, it's actually worth something. Canon isn't giving me anything now that they dropped the price on the EOS 30 by a few hundred bucks and introduced a newer model at roughly what I paid.

Honestly, Apple sold its product with a tremendously fat margin because it calculated correctly that it could. Now that the initial period of sales has passed, I think it's smart to have a price cut - at $400 it's still more expensive that pretty much any other phone sold on the market in any meaningful quantity.

Call me cruel but I don't hold much sympathy for people complaining that they feel they overpaid for something that was hyped by all the media as having an unheard of MSRP, and give Apple plenty of credit for actually giving them something valuable to make them feel better.


RE: Act First, Think Later
By TomZ on 9/6/2007 5:20:17 PM , Rating: 2
You're right that price cuts would be expected, but in this case they are too fast and too deep. That is the difference in this case, and why Apple reacted to the negative PR in the way they did.


RE: Act First, Think Later
By Vanilla Thunder on 9/6/2007 5:26:16 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
but in this case they are too fast and too deep.


As a consumer, is this even possible? I will NEVER complain about something being too cheap, or the price dropping too fast.

Everybody wants to boo Apple, even when they're trying to put money back in your pockets.

Vanilla


RE: Act First, Think Later
By rsmech on 9/6/2007 5:35:01 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
As a consumer, is this even possible?


Not to the new customers, but to your base customers who are loyal you are telling them that for their loyalty they can pay higher prices. A good company usually give discounts to loyal customers or incentives. As for the $100 credit notice that it also states that they could not have received any rebates or discounts originally. So how many do you think this disqualifies? But that doesn't stop good press.


RE: Act First, Think Later
By zinfamous on 9/6/2007 5:31:34 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
Call me cruel but I don't hold much sympathy for people complaining that they feel they overpaid for something that was hyped by all the media as having an unheard of MSRP, and give Apple plenty of credit for actually giving them something valuable to make them feel better.


exactly how I feel. If you're the type to bite on an overpriced first-gen piece of tech predicted to have significant growing pains, then why should I care if you feel you got ripped-off 200 bones?

Despite how I feel about Apple, and despite being the RL a-hole that Jobs is notorious for, I hand it to him for responding in such a way. Granted, Apple essentially loses no money over a store credit offer, but it is more than any other CEO has done with such a backlash. A-hole indeed...but a saavy one at that.


RE: Act First, Think Later
By kmmatney on 9/6/2007 6:47:08 PM , Rating: 2
Agreed. People should expect to pay more, even much more, when some hyped product first comes out.


RE: Act First, Think Later
By glitchc on 9/7/2007 11:12:09 AM , Rating: 2
Reducing the price of the product, in your case the EOS 30, after a newer better model comes out makes a lot of sense. After all, there's now a product which has replaced your product as top of the line.

Apple didn't release a corresponding new product for their top of the line, so a drastic price cut is unjustified. Especially so close to its release. Of course this is all a part of doing business and I'm not upset with them in any way for doing it. However, if I did buy the iPhone just to watch its price drop by $200 after 2 months without seeing a new product come out, I'd be a little pissed too. I'm sure the same would hold if Canon reduced the price of your camera two months after you bought it without telling you. In fact, when a department store changes the price of the product within its return policy (30 days), you can price-match your product, that is return it and buy it at a reduced price.

Giving $100 in-store credit is the least Apple could do in this regard.


RE: Act First, Think Later
By ninjit on 9/6/2007 8:23:59 PM , Rating: 2
I really doubt this scenario didn't occur to anyone at Apple - but I'm guess they went ahead anyway, and decided to wait on any wrath-mitigating rebates till after the fact, just to see if they could get away with it:

If there were only a few voices screaming hellfire over buying the iPhone early for $200 more, they wouldn't bother with any kinda refund - and live happily with the extra profit they gleaned in those 2 months.

If there was universal outcry, they implement the credit/refund/rebate program (which I'm sure they had in place as a contingency already), and "save the day" (at least as far as their own asses are concerned).

And in the spirit of full disclosure, I'm not an Apple lover or hater, but I really really like Mac OS X and their laptops (Mac Pro is still a little pricey IMHO); I like the iPhone, but I thought it was too expensive (still is) and missing key features (such as SD memory expansion, GPS, and 3G data). I can appreciate the iPod for what it did to the MP3 market, and the polish it has as a product (same can be said of all of Apple's offerings), but can't see myself buying one anytime soon because I'm still happy with my 6 year old Creative MuVo TX-FM... and well honestly because EVERYONE has an iPod these days, it turns me off a bit too.

Given the polarizing ability of companies like Apple, and the obvious camps of people who post here on the subject: the Apply loyalists (believers) and the Apple haters (the atheists) - I'd like to start a new group:

the Apple-Agnostics!
Our doctrine shall be to approach every new product announcement with mild wonder, but also reasonable skepticism. Avoiding the zealous belief that everything Apple touches automatically (and unquestionably) turns to gold, while simultaneously sidestepping the trap of assuming anything Mac is evil incarnate and simply exists to rob you of your hard-earned money.


here, here
By Quiksel on 9/6/2007 4:13:50 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
$100 of in-store credit isn't exactly the same thing as $200 in cold cash, but it's surely better than nothing at all.

Best line of the whole story. Nice of them to do so, even if it's not the whole $200.

~q




RE: here, here
By HVAC on 9/6/2007 4:15:41 PM , Rating: 3
It ends up costing Jobs much less than $100 given Apple's historical profit margin.


RE: here, here
By xphile on 9/6/2007 8:08:17 PM , Rating: 2
In many cases it will cost Apple nothing at all. The $100 store credit in many instances will have a value to Apple of $50 give or take.

Those affected have a $100 credit. Chances are when they come to use it they may well put it towards another hardware item, especially since they are were all early hardware buyers anyway.

If said item costs at least $200 then Apple lose $50 on the first $100 of the sale (the credit) and then make $50 on the second $100 of the sale. The buyer gets said item at cost ($100) and Apple has lost nothing.

Spend more than $200 total on the usage of the store credit and Apple is back in profit on the transaction.


RE: here, here
By MonkeyPaw on 9/6/2007 5:31:28 PM , Rating: 2
This is actually a pretty typical customer service response. If a customer asks for a refund because of dissatisfaction, the store usually offers store credit first. It's not so much to get the customer to spend that money at the same business, but instead it hopes to keep the customer loyal by bringing them back for another try.

Personally, I think it's silly that people camped out for this item. It wasn't guaranteed to be a success, and my guess is that the original price along with the 2 year contract at ATT didn't help much. About the only guarantee in the tech-world is that early adopters pay the price, sometimes it's monetary, sometimes it's glitches, sometimes it's both! There's a reason they say patience is a virtue!


100.00 at an apple store....
By teng029 on 9/6/2007 8:53:11 PM , Rating: 2
should buy you what? a mighty mouse?




RE: 100.00 at an apple store....
By TomZ on 9/6/2007 10:30:36 PM , Rating: 2
Mighty mouse - yet another incomplete Apple product. I'm sure they'll add a second mouse and be heralded as a wonderful innovation.


RE: 100.00 at an apple store....
By rdeegvainl on 9/7/2007 2:07:35 AM , Rating: 2
Yeah, could you imagine a multi point interface system on a computer, having 2 mice not be that bad, though make it 100% optional, cause of people who don't want to use 2 mice, but i can multi task like Shiva, so i wouldn't mind the option, and especially now that multi core procs are becoming so commonplace it will help make sure your computer is keeping things running smoothly, of course it would take time to get use to but i see allot of possibility in that, kind of like multi point touch input just with a couple mice would be nice ;)


RE: 100.00 at an apple store....
By TomZ on 9/7/2007 10:29:37 AM , Rating: 2
That's cool, but I guess I meant they'd add another "button" (not mouse)...


By rdeegvainl on 9/8/2007 9:13:18 AM , Rating: 2
oh, i am suddenly saddened and downtrodden. :(


Are you kidding me?
By ascian5 on 9/6/2007 4:39:42 PM , Rating: 2
This is a joke right? $100 credit? I'm too lazy to look up facts, but I believe that the average spending with a giftcard/credit is close to 2:1 for credit given. With Apple's product margins, not to mention the original and existing iphone margins, all I can do is shake my head at people who accept this as contrition.

Not to mention, wtf do you buy from apple for $100?




RE: Are you kidding me?
By bhieb on 9/6/2007 5:51:42 PM , Rating: 2
No kidding isn't the whole point of the iPhone that is does everything already. Don't need an iPod, Laptop, or phone that is why they charged you $600 anyway right? /sarcasm


RE: Are you kidding me?
By Scott66 on 9/6/2007 8:06:32 PM , Rating: 2
You can buy a quality office suite for you and 4 other members of your family. 101 songs


Apple Kool-Aid
By rsmech on 9/6/2007 9:50:00 PM , Rating: 3
This is the basic problem I have & maybe many others with Apple as a company not their products.

1. iPhone - I don't deny that it is or may be a great product innovative & bold. (the product) Stated as sold over 500,000 the first 2 days, revised to 230,000 or such from Apple, yet only 140,000 activations. AT&T said they had activation problems, but only said it affected about 10,000 people that weekend. Some sold on eBay (barely over retail) but with these numbers of what sold on eBay + AT&T activations + Apple store and other sources it still didn't add up to even Apples claims. The hype of the numbers always gets lower as we find out more. I will state that it still had stellar sales figures. It's just a big fish story. They had great numbers, there was no need to even stretch the reality of it you just sound like a braggart which causes the loss in credibility for me. (the company)

2. Apple notebooks - I have no complaints about (the product) . But wasn't there an article awhile back about how there was a new wireless standard that was disabled in their notebooks & when it became finalized they were going to charge customers for hardware they already paid for to activate it. Didn't they change their mind on this also? (the company) Windows OS or HP give me free updates to new hardware and some manufactures of motherboards even give me support for memory speeds that aren't even finalized yet.

3. Their image(to me) - They have a lot of good, even innovative products. I would say they have a good rep. for their quality. (the product) Their image in ads is hip, new age, and green. Isn't Al Gore on the board? Yet they have a poor rating from Green Peace on their environmental waste. (the company) They lose credibility as a wanna be to me.

4. Boot camp - great for someone who loves mac but needs some windows software. (the product) But wasn't there an article about how it was free for now but they were going to charge for it later? (the company) I can run different variations of Windows or Windows & Linux & I don't have to even think about paying extra for it.

Example 1. A good thing gets ruined by gross exaggerations. It's like cheating on benchmarks. (release the hype to sell but when it falls into the consumers hands it's very good, but not the exceptional piece of hardware you though.

Example 2 & 4. Reminds me of being a kid & dealing with an Indian Giver. They give you something only to say later I gave you that, but I didn't mean to give you this also, but I'll let you have it if you like me more.

Example 3. I hope I'm not that impressionable.

Conclusion: No complaints about product . But the company sells themselves as green (not), markets me as a kid (hip, cool), & tries to take from customers to the point of pissing them off then gives a little back for the great PR.




RE: Apple Kool-Aid
By TomZ on 9/6/2007 10:16:25 PM , Rating: 2
Amen!


Jobs apologize
By totallycool on 9/6/2007 5:33:08 PM , Rating: 4
quote:
We apologize for disappointing some of you, and we are doing our best to live up to your high expectations of Apple.


Wow,
A PRICE DROP makes the CEO of a multi billion dollar corporation apologize. This is a day I thought I would never see. Long live capitalism :P




One more thing
By zinfamous on 9/6/2007 5:51:54 PM , Rating: 2
this just goes to show how ridiculously overpriced the Iphone was at launch, considering the tech included in the device, if they can "afford" such a drastic price drop so soon afterwards.

I'm thinking the typical Mac fans wouldn't understand what really goes into making an Iphone, and how obsolete they are in terms of functionality compared to competing, and cheaper, devices. This isn't a slam on Mac devices (the Iphone is anice little gadget), per say, but more of a salute to the "geniuses" in their marketing department for targeting so well their core user-base and taking them for a ride.

I believe Sony is still losing some $100-200 per sale of the PS3, no?




RE: One more thing
By Scott66 on 9/6/2007 8:09:22 PM , Rating: 2
True Sony still is losing some money on the PS3 but they make much more money on every game sold. I don't think Apple makes similar markup on AT&T's cell contract.


By phattyboombatty on 9/6/2007 6:05:21 PM , Rating: 3
The real reason that the early adopters of the iPhone are angry is because the high-priced status symbol that they purchased has been suddenly devalued and is now more available to the average joe. Everybody expects to pay a high premium to be the first to get a hot new product, but they also expect to be a "privileged" person for a sufficient length of time to feel good about themselves. Apple hasn't allowed these early-adopters the necessary time to show off their status symbols to the less fortunate members of society. Jobs says that the reason for the price cuts is to allow more people into the 'tent,' but that's exactly the point of contention with most early-adopters.




By feelingshorter on 9/6/2007 8:07:37 PM , Rating: 2
Goes to show that people buy the iPhone for a status icon. People also love the attention they get by showing it off. It won't be "cool" anymore when too many people have one.

Coolness is like a ratio to the dollars spent and the number of people that have the item. c=d/p




By Griswold on 9/7/2007 6:38:53 AM , Rating: 2
http://www.geekculture.com/joyoftech/joyarchives/1...

It is so obvious, I dont know why I had different theories...




By encryptkeeper on 9/7/2007 10:28:13 AM , Rating: 2
Hang on, I think I have a violin around here somewhere...

Seriously though, when you buy any kind of electronic item, you HAVE to prepare yourself to walk in the store a month later and find if you waited, you could have gotten a better deal. I can definitely understand the anger from consumers who bought the thing two weeks ago. But the truth is, if you have 600 bucks to blow on a damn phone, I doubt many people are going to have any sympathy for you if you paid the full 600, only to find out you could have saved 200.




Note to all Apple haters
By Daven on 9/6/07, Rating: -1
RE: Note to all Apple haters
By TomZ on 9/6/2007 4:25:10 PM , Rating: 4
Let's see, a company that decided to fix a major customer/public relations mistake is a "cut above"?

I'd prefer a company not make that mistake in the first place. Like it could not have been predicted that customers who so recently bought these devices might be just a tad bit upset by such an early, steep price cut.

LOL, enjoy your Apple-flavor Kool-Aid.


RE: Note to all Apple haters
By Vanilla Thunder on 9/6/2007 5:33:31 PM , Rating: 4
What early adopters of tech don't get screwed in the long run as far as price? Blu-ray and HD-Dvd are a great example. It happens. It's the price you pay for being the cool kid on the block.

Vanilla


RE: Note to all Apple haters
By rsmech on 9/6/2007 7:22:29 PM , Rating: 3
The difference is that a lot of other early adopters don't care who's tech it is they just want to be first. But with Apple many of these people bought out of loyalty in a brand. Their dissatisfaction is from being taken for that loyalty to a brand, not being first.


RE: Note to all Apple haters
By Kougar on 9/6/2007 8:45:01 PM , Rating: 2
And "being taken" with a almost perfect 50% gross profit margin on the iPhone wasn't a big clue in? It should have been obvious that a price cut would of been happening sooner rather than later with that kind of markup, although this soon is a big surprise I will admit.


RE: Note to all Apple haters
By taleril on 9/7/2007 10:45:13 AM , Rating: 3
I think most peoples' complaint is that the "long run" was a lot shorter than they expected.

No one expects the price of their new, flashy gadget to remain constant forever. I'm more into console games than cutting-edge cell phones, so the hypothetical that pops into my mind is Sony dropping the price of the PS3 by $200 just after Christmas last year. The poor bastards who had camped out and shelled out the big bucks for a PS3 would've been livid.


RE: Note to all Apple haters
By Blight AC on 9/6/2007 4:30:08 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
It's just a company true, but its a company a cut above the rest... What more does it take to stop the unending complaints and hatred for this company? I just don't get it.


People like you kissing the ground Steve walks on doesn't help.

A $200 dollar price cut on a just released product.. a $200 dollar price cut after all the Apple Loyalists just bought it.. in fact, in this case, most of the hate is coming from these Apple fans themselves. It is a bit funny how quickly they turned to bite the hand that feeds.


RE: Note to all Apple haters
By KeithP on 9/6/2007 4:56:30 PM , Rating: 2
Most of the hate is coming from forum trolls. Over on the Apple Support forum, there are a tremendous number of posts from new users that have never posted before. While I suppose they could be from legitimate users that signed up to express their feelings about being screwed, I am guessing the bulk are from people that don't even own iPhones.


RE: Note to all Apple haters
By rsmech on 9/6/2007 5:29:18 PM , Rating: 3
You don't have to experience or own something yourself to tell others they have just been bent over, and you know the rest.


RE: Note to all Apple haters
By wiiz3rd on 9/6/2007 5:29:30 PM , Rating: 2
I never like Apple products, but I don't see me signing up to complain. Why waste my time?


RE: Note to all Apple haters
By afkrotch on 9/6/2007 7:39:10 PM , Rating: 1
Yet you came to this site, look at the postings, then then placed a comment. Why did you waste your time? Isn't this all just hypocritical?


RE: Note to all Apple haters
By retrospooty on 9/6/2007 4:33:38 PM , Rating: 3
I agree it was cool of Apple to offer $100 creds... but that does NOT make Apple a cut above. Apple is a corporation, and ONLY did it to save future "early adopter" sales. If they didnt, the next overpriced overhyped gadget to come out would not sell as many units until that 1st big price drop.

As far as Steve Jobs in concerned, he is still a maniac, and a complete ass at that. I know people that work at Apple, and he is known for cornering employees that he has never even met,in elevators and crawling up their asses... "What are you doing right now to make this company money", and berating them verbally in other ways. Total megalomaniac.


RE: Note to all Apple haters
By zinfamous on 9/6/07, Rating: 0
RE: Note to all Apple haters
By retrospooty on 9/6/2007 6:27:18 PM , Rating: 2
ya, the more people you know in the Silicon Valley that have actually met him, the more horror stories you hear. I am told most Apple employees walk the other way if they see him coming, they do anything to avoid eye contact.


RE: Note to all Apple haters
By marvdmartian on 9/6/2007 4:34:14 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
This is the very reason why people are loyal to Apple.

What? So they can get fvcked with the original price, then two months later get fvcked again with a new, lower price for everyone else who was willing to wait?

But hey, we'll apply a little KY, in a $100 credit that can be used to buy more Apple crap (aka crApple). Gee, thanks for the reach-around!! :(


RE: Note to all Apple haters
By chrish89 on 9/6/07, Rating: 0
RE: Note to all Apple haters
By retrospooty on 9/6/2007 5:27:09 PM , Rating: 2
Not Ballmer, he is WAY to exited LOL .


RE: Note to all Apple haters
By marvdmartian on 9/6/2007 8:53:55 PM , Rating: 1
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Silence, noob! Don't confuse your own fantasies with mine. My fantasies have women like Hayden Panettiere....... yours have Hayden Christensen!! ;)


RE: Note to all Apple haters
By Spuke on 9/6/2007 11:05:48 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
Silence, noob! Don't confuse your own fantasies with mine. My fantasies have women like Hayden Panettiere....... yours have Hayden Christensen!! ;)
I found this humorous. Don't know why you got rated down.


RE: Note to all Apple haters
By Lonyo on 9/6/2007 4:41:58 PM , Rating: 3
Does that mean Microsoft are a cut above for extending Xbox 360 warranties and giving refunds to people who paid for out of warranty repairs?
Or Blizzard are a cut above to giving people extra playing time when WoW servers go down?


RE: Note to all Apple haters
By Legionosh on 9/6/2007 4:56:33 PM , Rating: 1
I think this is a slightly different situation.

It's been 60-70 days TOPS since the release of the iphone..most "popular" electronic devices do NOT get a price cut this soon after release..

..especially one of this magnitude. I mean a price cut is one thing, and we come to expect it on most everything we buy given enough time (as is par for the course for most electronic devices)..

..but to cut the price by 33% so soon after release is unheard of.

If the iphone was selling as well as expected or proclaimed I see no reason why Apple would cut the prices so drastically. The MEGA successful iPod NEVER saw a price cut like this.

Granted the cell phone business is a constantly evolving and ever changing beast, but still I don't recall any supposedly successful pricey cell phones being cut so soon after launch.

I can definitely see why customers would be upset. I would be too..

..if I could afford a $600 (well $400) phone...

My two cents,
Kevin

legionosh@msn.com


RE: Note to all Apple haters
By Pirks on 9/6/2007 5:16:56 PM , Rating: 1
Watch your and my ratings go down - fscking Crapple zealots are quick to push that downrate button, for anyone who doesn't worship The Cupertino Liar. Remember that yesterday's "WE MADE FIRST PLAYER WITH WEB BROWSER, EVER"? The fruity clown continues to fsck his users and they DO enjoy this. They just love the clown's lies and stupid shows. Good for them.

Not that MS screwing PC gamers with Vista "games" like Halo 2 is any better than this fruity piece of fertilizer, they also lied and lied (remember WinFS?), so, well... now both Crapple and MS zealots will downrate me. Whatever.

Gosh, I sound like these crazy guys BeenThere and cornfedone. Gotta be more forgiving, it's just a fscking business after all. Make money, screw some customers in the process, maybe. Everyone does or did that. I don't know any large company who has always been crystal clear and honest and sh1t. Capitalism is dirty by definition.


RE: Note to all Apple haters
By weskurtz0081 on 9/6/2007 4:56:57 PM , Rating: 2
Why not just give them a $100 rebate? Because with the crazy markup in Apple branded products that $100 will really only cost them around $50. So, your $599 i-phone is really $549. Would have been much better to wait and get the $399 8gb being sold today. The profits on the units were already over $300 on the $599 models, so why not give the people a rebate? I guess the rebate is better than nothing.

I honestly think Apple shouldn't give anyone a rebate because they are the lemmings who went out and bought it as soon as they could. All those idiots who were proud to be Apple fanboys talking about how they would not be able to pay rent for the month but they would get to own an i-phone. These are the people that buy Apple equipment? That doesn't sound very smart at all.


RE: Note to all Apple haters
By weskurtz0081 on 9/6/2007 5:08:52 PM , Rating: 2
I made some typos.... meant "I guess an in store credit is better than nothing".

The rebate would cost aapl $100 where the in store credit really only costs aapl around $50. It looks good to the public but they don't have to pay as much.


RE: Note to all Apple haters
By weskurtz0081 on 9/6/2007 5:52:40 PM , Rating: 1
Are you people really that childish that you go through and rate everyone down that does not agree with you? Are these the type of people that support Apple?


RE: Note to all Apple haters
By EntreHoras on 9/6/2007 5:30:45 PM , Rating: 2
As some posts could have a rating of 6 for being exceptionally good... Is there a way to give posts like that a lower rating, like -2?


RE: Note to all Apple haters
By Pirks on 9/6/07, Rating: 0
RE: Note to all Apple haters
By TomZ on 9/6/2007 10:28:33 PM , Rating: 1
I disagree with you on your Microsoft posts, but I have to agree with you here - the post by Daven is one of the most naive I've seen in a long time. Hopefully when he graduates kindergarten he'll start to understand more about the world out there.


By The Boston Dangler on 9/7/2007 12:45:44 AM , Rating: 2
All together now!!

MI-NUS-TWO!! MI-NUS-TWO!! MI-NUS-TWO!!


RE: Note to all Apple haters
By INeedCache on 9/6/07, Rating: 0
RE: Note to all Apple haters
By weskurtz0081 on 9/6/2007 6:14:44 PM , Rating: 2
I am no Apple fan boy, but if they forked over $200 cash for every phone sold to date I would go buy one out of respect. It would set a precedent though and really cause them some problemas. Not to mention the stock would drop like a hot rock.


RE: Note to all Apple haters
By Spuke on 9/6/2007 10:10:08 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
This is the very reason why people are loyal to Apple. The people most of you here call the jobs mob. Apple IS a different company whether most of you are willing to admit it or not.
$100 worth of in store credit ? That was sooooo "white" of Steve Jobs.


RE: Note to all Apple haters
By Samus on 9/7/2007 3:59:20 AM , Rating: 2
Uhh, Daven, the reason you think Apple is a great company is wrong. Correcting your mistakes isn't as good as not screwing your customers over with shady quality, highly overpriced products to begin with.

Apple is anything but loyal to its customers. They lost my 15 years of support when they switched to Intel. Motorola and IBM were doing just fine for them, and considering x63 code can be recompiled effortlessly to Cell architecture, Apple should have just stuck with them.

Could you imagine how well MacOS/Linux would run on a 64-bit multi-core cell platform when you take the raw graphical and FPU power into account. Sure, it isn't great for Windows, but christ just look at PS3's linux numbers when used with an optimized kernel.


"If you look at the last five years, if you look at what major innovations have occurred in computing technology, every single one of them came from AMD. Not a single innovation came from Intel." -- AMD CEO Hector Ruiz in 2007

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