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California's state Senate curbs a high-tech societal dilemma by making it illegal for employers to require ID chips implanted in their employees

Radio Frequency ID chip-maker VeriChip's slogan is "RFID for people."  The company grabbed headlines in October 2004 when it  gained FDA approval for its subdermal RFID implant.  The RFID chip measured in at 12 mm by 2.1 mm and allowed implantees to be identified and tracked using broadcast radio identification.

The chips are marketed for everything from medical tracking and identification, to security applications.

Last year, the Cincinnati based video-surveillance firm CityWatcher.com, mandated any employee that worked in its secure data center to get implanted with one of VeriChip's implants.  Two of its employees received the implants. 

Also, last year, blog RFID Lowdown reported that Hackensack University Medical Center, in Hackensack, New Jersey nominated patients for a study on the usefulness of these implants. These potential implantees suffer from chronic conditions like heart disease, epilepsy and diabetes.  Patients with these conditions will be placed a two-year program that will test "personal health record modules" inserted just beneath their skin.

Enormous controversy was generated by these moves, because the concept of employer required implants, or the possibility of involuntary medical implanting was seen by many as a dangerous high-tech invasion of privacy.  Also, concerns of the security of these devices’s information were also raised, as RFID chips have been publically compromised.

In response to these concerns the state of Wisconsin recently passed a bill that banned anyone, including the employers and the government, from implanting RFID chips in anyone without consent.

The LA Times reports that the California State Senate has passed a bill that goes one step farther, by banning employers from requiring employees to receive implants.  Nine senators voted against the bill, including Bob Margett (R-Arcadia), who is quoted by the Times as saying it was premature to regulate technology that has not yet proved to be a problem.

"It sounded like it was a solution looking for a problem, it didn't seem like it was necessary," Margett is quoted as saying.

An observation on both bills is that neither explicitly bans employers from asking their employees to voluntarily get implants.  Neither bill bans employers from rewarding employees who get voluntarily implanted.


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RE: Impending Rapture?
By NetPro on 9/4/2007 12:24:05 PM , Rating: 4
With respect Master Kenobi I completely disagree with your entire post; more specifically the following six statements (my rebuttal follows each statement)…

“The bible, if you read it, is full of retribution, revenge, and fear.”

- And sex, murder, rape, incest, love, regret, anger, sorrow, passion, hate, lust, etc. but above all, truth, promise and hope! It is full of all of these because it contains the complete range of human emotion and experiences.
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“The common belief and only reason the bible hasn't been burried is that a while back they decided the bible should not be taken literally (It was for a long time).” - “The point he was making is that what is written in the bible is largely hypothetical.” - “If we took the bible literally we would be like the radical extremist muslim minority.”

- Who is this “they” you speak of? The fact of the matter is that when the Prophets, Kings, and Apostles wrote the 66 books that comprise the Old and New Testaments they did so as eyewitnesses to the events they described. Peter said “For we did not follow cleverly devised tales when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but we were eyewitnesses of his majesty” – 2 Peter 1:16. Furthermore Doctor Luke said “Inasmuch as many have undertaken to compile an account of the things accomplished among us, just as those who from the beginning were eyewitnesses and servants of the Word have handed them down to us, it seemed fitting for me as well, having investigated everything carefully from the beginning, to write it out for you in consecutive order” – Luke 1:1-3
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“If we look at it with a grain of salt and look for the "meaning" in it, rather than taking it at face value, it retains some measure of value.”

- Actually we find that the Bible has the following to say regarding its value; “The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.” – Psalms 12:6-7. Lastly, “Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.” – Matthew 24:35.
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“In short, don't take anything written in the bible seriously, that book had its hay day back when people were uneducated. As time passes, education grows, and intelligence rises, we see that religion shrinks.”

- This is extremely poor council; you should take everything the Bible says seriously. 2 Timothy 3:16 says “All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.” and Hebrews 4:12 states “For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.”

Furthermore, your statements regarding education, or the lack thereof, are completely inaccurate. The 66 books of the Bible were written by Kings, Prophets, Philosophers, Doctors and Scholars; some of the most intelligent and wise human beings on the face of the planet. Even the translation of the Bible into the English language was comprised of a team of academia’s best. 54 scholars were appointed in 1604, and a few overseers were also present, who went from group to group. In time through death the number of translators diminished to 47. They were given three locations to work: Oxford, Cambridge and Westminster. And two groups worked at each location, making a total of six groups. The Bible was also divided up into six sections. Each group took one section, working on one book at a time.

First, each translator made his own translation of the book, which was reviewed by each other member of the group. Then the whole group reviewed the book. When they all agreed on the translation, they sent it to the other five groups for evaluation. Those groups then returned it to the original committee, marking anything they disagreed with. The original group would then go over the book again.
When all six committees finished with the book, it was sent, with any differences that were left, to a special committee made up of one leader from each of the six groups. They solved any remaining problems, and the book was sent to the printers.

As an aside, they did not work in secret. At any time, the translators could ask an outside scholar for his understanding, and anyone could find out about the progress. The churches were kept informed at all times.

In all, every single verse of the Bible was carefully examined and decided upon a total of fourteen times, by as many as 50 or more people! This made it impossible for any one translator to impose his personal viewpoint on a passage. He had to have logical reasons for a translation that were good enough to persuade every other scholar before it could be written into the text. There was no “private interpretation” here! (2 Peter 1:20-21)
God superintended the translation, so that what we need to know from the Bible has been accurately translated for us. We do have translated in English for the world, God's perfectly preserved words.

God bless you as you read and believe them.

-NetPro


RE: Impending Rapture?
By vortmax on 9/4/2007 12:47:13 PM , Rating: 2
I nominate the above post for post of the year. Well said NetPro.


RE: Impending Rapture?
By Buzzard Bait on 9/4/2007 11:40:35 PM , Rating: 2
I second your nomination vortmax.


RE: Impending Rapture?
By Proteusza on 9/5/2007 4:26:51 AM , Rating: 2
[quote]Furthermore, your statements regarding education, or the lack thereof, are completely inaccurate. The 66 books of the Bible were written by Kings, Prophets, Philosophers, Doctors and Scholars; some of the most intelligent and wise human beings on the face of the planet. Even the translation of the Bible into the English language was comprised of a team of academia’s best. 54 scholars were appointed in 1604, and a few overseers were also present, who went from group to group. In time through death the number of translators diminished to 47. They were given three locations to work: Oxford, Cambridge and Westminster. And two groups worked at each location, making a total of six groups. The Bible was also divided up into six sections. Each group took one section, working on one book at a time.[/quote]

Each and every one of those philosophers, doctors and lawyers also believed that the Earth was flat and that the Sun revolved around the Earth.

Just because they were clever for their time, does not mean they word should be taken as the truth now.

In any case, I dont see how you can disagree with Master Kenobi's post. Anyone who believes in the Bible says its a matter of faith. Is that correct?

Because faith is subject to the individual and his/her beliefs, saying that Master Kenobi's beliefs regarding the Bible (however scientific they may be) are false is simply incorrect. They are only incorrect to you.

To the other Atheists, and other like minded individuals, the Bible is as portrayed by Master Kenobi, and to be honest, we get tired of being attacked by Christians like yourself for not believing.

This isnt a personal attack NetPro, I respect your views and the way you describe them, but I dont believe you can say that Master Kenobi is wrong.

Back on topic, will be interesting to see what becomes of this.


RE: Impending Rapture?
By NetPro on 9/5/2007 10:01:48 AM , Rating: 2
Responding in like manner as I did in the previous post.
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"Each and every one of those philosophers, doctors and lawyers also believed that the Earth was flat and that the Sun revolved around the Earth."

- That is a ridiculous generalization and completely untrue; none of them did, as evidenced by Isaiah 40:22 “It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:”
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"Just because they were clever for their time, does not mean they word should be taken as the truth now."

- "Clever" is hardly the word I would use, nor is it remotely accurate in describing the intelligence and wisdom of the ancient world (remember the Pyramids?).
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- "And God gave Solomon wisdom and understanding exceeding much, and largeness of heart, even as the sand that is on the sea shore. And Solomon's wisdom excelled the wisdom of all the children of the east country, and all the wisdom of Egypt. For he was wiser than all men;" I Kings 4:29-31a
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- "And there came of all people to hear the wisdom of Solomon, from all kings of the earth, which had heard of his wisdom." I Kings 4:34
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Rest assured the world tested Solomon’s wisdom then as the world tests the wisdom of the Bible now…

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- "And when the queen of Sheba heard of the fame of Solomon, she came to prove Solomon with hard questions at Jerusalem, with a very great company, and camels that bare spices, and gold in abundance, and precious stones: and when she was come to Solomon, she communed with him of all that was in her heart. And Solomon told her all her questions: and there was nothing hid from Solomon which he told her not. And when the queen of Sheba had seen the wisdom of Solomon, and the house that he had built," 2 Chronicles 9:1-3
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- "And she said to the king, It was a true report which I heard in mine own land of thine acts, and of thy wisdom: Howbeit I believed not their words, until I came, and mine eyes had seen it: and, behold, the one half of the greatness of thy wisdom was not told me: for thou exceedest the fame that I heard." 2 Chronicles 5-6
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- "And king Solomon passed all the kings of the earth in riches and wisdom. And all the kings of the earth sought the presence of Solomon, to hear his wisdom, that God had put in his heart." 2 Chronicles 22-23
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"In any case, I dont see how you can disagree with Master Kenobi's post. Anyone who believes in the Bible says its a matter of faith. Is that correct?"

- Not at all, any student of the Word learns the Bible is first and foremost about a King and His Kingdom, a book of history without equal in its accuracy and historicity. Faith comes into play regarding Jesus (is he indeed who he claimed to be?). With that said, faith in the Lord Jesus Christ is not a blind, ignorant belief, but rather an intelligent faith. Our hearts and minds were created to work in harmony together; never has an individual been called upon in the Scriptures to commit intellectual suicide in trusting Jesus as Savior and Lord.
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"Because faith is subject to the individual and his/her beliefs, saying that Master Kenobi's beliefs regarding the Bible (however scientific they may be) are false is simply incorrect. They are only incorrect to you."

- Therein lies the problem with Master Kenobi’s post, there was no scientific support to his position whatsoever, it was speculative and conjecture at their best. Furthermore, simply believing something does not make it true or truth (this is the very meaning of delusion).

- The scientific method, however it is defined, is related to measurement of phenomena and experimentation or repeated observation. Now if the scientific method was the only method of proving something, you could not prove you had breakfast this morning. It is impossible to recreate that event in a controlled situation. The method used is that of “legal-historical” proof, which is based on demonstrating something is fact beyond a reasonable doubt. In other words, a verdict is reached on the basis of the weight of the evidence.
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"To the other Atheists, and other like minded individuals, the Bible is as portrayed by Master Kenobi, and to be honest, we get tired of being attacked by Christians like yourself for not believing."

- “Tired of being attacked”? I would hardly describe my response to his post as an attack; as a matter of fact, it was not combative in any way, shape, or form.


RE: Impending Rapture?
By MoonRocket on 9/6/2007 10:30:42 AM , Rating: 2
There were no attacks at all in NetPro's posts.

Claiming so is a pretty weak response to a fine example of Christian Apologetics.

Well done NetPro, I enjoyed your posts immensely.


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