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HP w2408 Display Rotating  (Source: Image via HP)

HP w2408 24-inch LCd display  (Source: Image via HP)
New 24-inch HP LCD display has HDCP and rotates for portrait viewing

If you are a gamer, graphic designer or just like to work from a large screen monitor, 24-inch displays are coming down in price and going up in features. HP is set to unveil its latest 24-inch LCD display on Wednesday.
 
The new HP w2408 24-inch LCD display features BrightView anti-reflective technology for a wide viewing angle – 160 degrees vertical and horizontal. The monitor is HDCP compliant for viewing protected HD content such as HD DVD or Blu-ray, when paired with an HDCP compliant graphics card.
 
The display has a 92% wide color gamut making it appropriate for graphic designers and others wanting the most accurate color display. Under the display is a keyboard parking area. HP also integrates a four-port USB hub, speakers and a headphone jack. The integrated speakers are rear facing and output 2-watts per channel.

HP equips the w2408 with rotational capabilities and includes software that automatically adjusts the screen orientation as the display is rotated. The display also features a detachable base and a standard VESA100 4-hole mounting pattern.

Like all 24-inch displays the HP v2408 features a 16:10 aspect ratio with a 1920x1200 native resolution at 60Hz. The display features a 400 nits brightness rating with a 1000:1 contrast ratio. The panel has a typical response time of 5ms, on-off. The display features traditional CCFL backlighting and not LED.

HP integrates the power adapter is internally into the display, removing the need of an external power brick. The w2408 is Energy Star compliant as well.

Expect the display to show up in retail this month with included VGA and DVI cables.

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Call me picky, but...
By daftrok on 9/3/07, Rating: 0
RE: Call me picky, but...
By Gul Westfale on 9/3/2007 9:52:10 PM , Rating: 2
OLED monitors are not backlit, the pixels themselves produce the light. that is why they have great viewing angles. however, a current OLED screen does not have the same lifespan as a traditional LCD. this problem might be solved in the future.

as far as pricing is concerned, LCDs used toi be very expensive, but as a lot of companies have invested in LCD technology (and as the manufacturing process has matured), the prices have dropped very quickly. i'm assuming the same will happen with OLEDs at some point, but it will take 2 years or more.

and as for apple: apple is not a technology leader. all of their LCD panels are manufactured by samsung (as far as i know, they might use a different supplier), and they do not offer an OLED screen. my creative zen V plus has one, but the apple ipod nano does not.


RE: Call me picky, but...
By daftrok on 9/3/07, Rating: 0
RE: Call me picky, but...
By Gul Westfale on 9/3/2007 11:53:22 PM , Rating: 3
true, i thought you meant OLED rather than an LCD using an LED backlight.

however, apple's technology "leadership" is nonexistant.

the g and n wireless standards are just that, standards, ratified by an industry body. apple do not make their own wireless chips, they simply purchase them from a third party (just like every other computer company7). thus they cannot really have been first.

17: laptops are hardly the holy grail of laptop design as they are barely portable- defeating the purpose of having laptop in teh first place. true, it is useful for some, but in the laptop world minituarisation is hard to do- everybody can do bigger.

the intel core chip was released by intel on january 5 2006, but apple intriduced core-powered devices on january 10 2006.

apple was not the first company to make widescreen monitors, even if they had been first to market then the company that actually makes the monitors for them (samsung) would have been first.

apple was not one of the first MP3 player manufacturers, not by a long shot. not even close.

also, while it is true that some of ther products use LED backlights, once again: they do not make those panels or their backlights, they just buy them from a supplier.

if other companies were as pioneering as apple, i'd be typing this on a 286 with a 16-color 12" screen.


RE: Call me picky, but...
By daftrok on 9/4/2007 2:08:19 AM , Rating: 3
Point taken, Apple didn't create the technology, but they sure as hell brought it out there before most other companies did.


RE: Call me picky, but...
By bhieb on 9/4/2007 10:47:41 AM , Rating: 2
Of course they brought it to market first, they have to. When you charge such a large premium for your product, you better have a reason to do so. Now more than ever Apple is becoming closer to an OS choice rather than an entire system choice. The hardware is basically the same so design and feature set are the only things setting them appart (other than the OS of course). If they are going to charge such an outrageous price for their product, there better be some nice features.

As for HP they have always been a better value (compared to apple). I agree though that LED is great, and for a 24" premium display I would bet there is room in the margin to do it. Not to mention it helps set them apart from the others.


RE: Call me picky, but...
By 9nails on 9/4/2007 10:57:59 PM , Rating: 2
I'm not dumping lots of cash on a product that hasn't withstood the test of the market. I can't think of any Apple 1.0 device that didn't have issues needing a second redesign to work as advertised. Others would disagree with me, and tend to buy such products. But perhaps their dollars shake lose from the tree bit bit easier than mine. I want to hang on to my tech a little longer than the time that the manufacture expects me to. I'm more interested in service and value than bells and whistles.


RE: Call me picky, but...
By kelmon on 9/4/2007 9:52:44 AM , Rating: 2
I'm generally happy to see Apple "go out there" with new technology but (playing devil's advocate here despite being a Mac fan) they have a tendency to do this a bit too soon at times. Take for example the lack of a built-in modem or going to ExpressCard in the newer laptops. Yeah, this is definitely the way of the future but modems are sometimes still necessary and ExpressCard has taken a while to get going.

I believe that in context of the story the problem with LED screens is that they currently aren't available in larger sizes. The new MacBook Pros don't have LED screens in the 17" version so I seriously doubt their availability for a 24" monitor.


RE: Call me picky, but...
By Pirks on 9/3/07, Rating: -1
RE: Call me picky, but...
By Gul Westfale on 9/3/2007 9:57:35 PM , Rating: 3
macpros don't need DX10 hardware since they don't run DX10... :)


RE: Call me picky, but...
By Bluestealth on 9/3/2007 10:07:19 PM , Rating: 3
They might enjoy OpenGL 3.0 support at some point *poke


RE: Call me picky, but...
By Pirks on 9/3/2007 10:13:17 PM , Rating: 1
They may enjoy current nVidia G80-specific extensions to OpenGL 2.1 RIGHT NOW :P


RE: Call me picky, but...
By Pirks on 9/3/2007 10:07:59 PM , Rating: 1
Newsflash for you! DX10 is NOT needed per se to use DX10 hardware. One can access DX10 specific hardware features (geometry shaders, etc) through OpenGL. Which is the default 3D API in Mac OS :P


RE: Call me picky, but...
By sxr7171 on 9/4/2007 1:46:38 AM , Rating: 1
Samsung has them, look at the 20L or 30L professional monitors. My Thinkpad x60s is LED backlit also.


RE: Call me picky, but...
By DallasTexas on 9/4/2007 7:55:00 AM , Rating: 2
Not yet seen one at the store but waiting patiently for LED back lit displays to compare. I will look for your model - good pointer. LED back lits do have a terrific set of specifications.

Too bad these new HP's still use the older backlighting and hope this is not an indicator the LED technology will be priced too high for the mass market. I am delighted to see Samsung push the envelope here.

I currently have a Dell 24", which is terrific but looking to upgrade by next year (I hope). My wants include 30" at 2560x1600, LED backlight with the wider color gamut. Hope all this can be had next year at under $1500. :-)


RE: Call me picky, but...
By porkpie on 9/5/2007 4:04:34 PM , Rating: 1
Do you REALLY think that if they stop producing CRT monitors, lcd's will suddenly get cheaper? They're two totally different processes, using different materials, made in different factories.


LCDs and refresh rate
By hadifa on 9/3/2007 10:43:26 PM , Rating: 3
I can understand the relevance of refresh rate in CRT and I am very sensitive to it, but what does refresh rate means on LCDs? and why I am not so sensitive towards it?

If I use a CRT at refresh rate of 60HZ then I will have a head ache and burning eyes in maybe half an hour and I can actually notice the flickering but using LCDs -supposedly 60HZ- does not produce the same effect.Does anyone know about this phenomenon?




RE: LCDs and refresh rate
By hadifa on 9/3/2007 10:48:44 PM , Rating: 4
Here is an article in wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refresh_rate

It confirms my sensitivities but does not answer the questions.

What is the relevance of refresh rate on LCDs?


RE: LCDs and refresh rate
By hadifa on 9/3/2007 10:53:45 PM , Rating: 2
Searching the web didn't provide much useful information. The Only thing I find is that Refresh rate is less important in LCDs than in CRTs.


RE: LCDs and refresh rate
By Gul Westfale on 9/4/2007 12:52:57 AM , Rating: 3
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_display...

from the article:
"LCDs have a constant (backlit) image, where the intensity is varied by blocking the light shining through the panel.

CRTs use an electron beam, scanning the display, flashing a lit image. If interlacing is used, a single full-resolution image results in two "flashes"."

perhaps the flashing of the image several times per second causes the eye fatigue? i was under the impression that LCDs do not flicker, but the article about LCDs says that the backlight does, in fact, flicker... but perhaps the nature of LCDs reduce this enough so as not to be of too much concern?


RE: LCDs and refresh rate
By sxr7171 on 9/4/2007 1:06:07 AM , Rating: 2
Yes the backlight does flicker, but at 20,000Hz or more so it is well beyond human capacity to notice.


RE: LCDs and refresh rate
By giantpandaman2 on 9/4/2007 1:29:28 AM , Rating: 2
As other people have said, it's how often the pixels are changed in an LCD. LCD's don't have flicker like a CRT, so even low refresh rates aren't a problem. The difference will be in high frames per second. Playing a game at 120 fps on a 60 Hz monitor won't look any better than playing the same game at 60 fps. Since the human eye has trouble reading anything beyond 60 fps anyway, the 60 Hz refresh rate of an LCD monitor shouldn't be noticeable compared to a 120 Hz monitor of a CRT.


RE: LCDs and refresh rate
By 9nails on 9/4/2007 11:10:12 PM , Rating: 2
Your numbers depend on the amount of movement. It's known that human eyes can distinguish 200+ FPS. But in a small screen just 72 FPS with motion blur tends to become the benchmark where motion looks fluid enough to pass as believable.


10000:1 contrast ratio
By daawen on 9/3/2007 9:33:23 PM , Rating: 2
10000:1 contrast ratio?




RE: 10000:1 contrast ratio
By toyota on 9/3/2007 9:49:34 PM , Rating: 1
its a misprint of course. its 1000


RE: 10000:1 contrast ratio
By Anh Huynh on 9/3/2007 10:04:57 PM , Rating: 2
Fixed. Thanks.


RE: 10000:1 contrast ratio
By daftrok on 9/3/2007 10:30:09 PM , Rating: 2
Do you guys have any plans to put in an edit feature for comments?


RE: 10000:1 contrast ratio
By Gul Westfale on 9/3/2007 11:12:48 PM , Rating: 3
if they did then all the fanbois and flamers would be constantly editing their posts, so it's better if they don't; that way you have to think about what you are posting.


RE: 10000:1 contrast ratio
By JonnyDough on 9/4/2007 1:12:25 AM , Rating: 3
Wait, you think when you post?


Panel type?
By chuck232 on 9/3/2007 8:32:31 PM , Rating: 3
Despite the 92% color gamut claim as well as being appropriate for graphics designers, the 160 degree horizontal viewing angle seems to indicate that this is in fact a TN panel, and not a PVA/MVA or IPS panel which are 8 bit color panels and not 6 bit like 99% of TN panels.




RE: Panel type?
By i4mt3hwin on 9/3/2007 8:37:40 PM , Rating: 3
"HP Vivid Color Technology (92% Color Gamut panel), True 16.8M colors (8-bit color)"

Source: http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/uk/en/ho/WF06b/2049...

I currently own a HP2335 and love it, I bought it a long time ago but this looks like a worthy upgrade.


RE: Panel type?
By KorruptioN on 9/3/2007 8:51:08 PM , Rating: 1
Sounds like TN to me :(


RE: Panel type?
By n7 on 9/4/2007 3:06:12 AM , Rating: 1
Yup.

It's the first 24" with a glossy finish <3, & it'd be so nice except it's a TN :(


By whymeintrouble on 9/3/2007 9:29:18 PM , Rating: 2
according to this link :
http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/shopping/product...

you can see they include the following:
• LCD Monitor
• Power cable
• DVI cable
• VGA cable
• Audio cable
• Documentation CD
• Warranty card




RE: Comes with dvi cable according to US website
By Anh Huynh on 9/3/2007 9:31:13 PM , Rating: 2
Weird, the documentation we received only stated VGA.


By Gul Westfale on 9/4/2007 12:42:28 AM , Rating: 2
perhaps it is different in different markets/stores? at my local computer shop i once bought a cheap acer that came with a nicely packaged DVI cable in the box even though neither the store nor the box said it would come with one...


already available at FRYS
By $pade on 9/3/2007 9:31:04 PM , Rating: 2
This monitor has been available at Frys for at least 1-2 weeks now and actually does come with a dvi and vga cable.




By Roy2001 on 9/3/2007 11:51:14 PM , Rating: 2
160 view angle means it is using TN panel. No way for graphics editing




How much?
By The Sword 88 on 9/4/2007 12:18:42 AM , Rating: 2
I think i might want one, how much are they?




Costco
By AcAuroRa on 9/4/2007 12:51:10 AM , Rating: 2
Costco already carries this as part of a bundle with one of the desktops from HP. It also has an ambient light sensor as well.




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