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The full Inspiron color palette

Choose wisely if you want your Inspiron in a timely fashion
Dell's problems with paint quality cause more customer delays

It looks as though the XPS M1330 isn't the only new laptop series that Dell is having problems shipping these days. Dell updated its Direct2Dell blog on Friday with a status update on the newly revamped Inspiron lineup.

Like the XPS M1330, problems with the paint quality on the Inspirons are causing a delay in shipments. The problems were so severe in the case of the XPS M1330 that Dell discontinued the Pearl White color option.

Dell hasn't yet taken such dramatic steps with the Inspiron's color palette yet, but choosing Espresso Brown, Ruby Red, Midnight Blue, Spring Green, Flamingo Pink or Sunshine Yellow will result in a delay of your notebook shipment. Customers who decide to go with Jet Black or Alpine White will see no such delays.

"We'll continue to work directly with suppliers to ultimately increase our production on color notebooks," said Lionel Menchaca, Dell's Digital Media Manager. "Besides scale, we are also focused on maintaining the levels of quality we established when we designed these notebooks. In other words, we're not going to relax our quality standards to ship more products."

"Beyond that, we have added dedicated sales and support resources in the United States and around the world specifically to address the customer experience issues that these delays cause. We also understand that shipping your system is key, and we'll continue to work to do that," Menchaca continued.

The words of encouragement from Dell are doing little; however, to quiet the growing mob of disgruntled Inspiron customers. "So, here's to crappy service, lame excuses, and no real compensation," remarked one irate customer. "I like the part about dedicated sales staff...just what Dell needs, more sales staff. Keep selling a product you cannot build...don't you folks see a small problem with that," remarked another customer.

With all the problems regarding receiving an Inspiron in your color of choice in a timely manner, maybe Dell should consider scaling back its promotional campaign which highlights the option.



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Reminds me of a joke I heard once...
By Odeen on 8/26/2007 2:40:17 PM , Rating: 5
"Pardon me, sir, do you sell color TV's?"
"Yes we do."
"I'd like a green one, please."




RE: Reminds me of a joke I heard once...
By Master Kenobi (blog) on 8/26/2007 2:41:48 PM , Rating: 2
Heh, Michael Dell has his work cut out for him thats for sure.


RE: Reminds me of a joke I heard once...
By herrdoktor330 on 8/26/2007 4:18:13 PM , Rating: 3
Call be a nerd, but I really don't see the value to a painted laptop. Kind of an esoteric add-on, if you ask me. And since it's causing shipping problems, the fix in my mind would be to drop (or slim down) that feature from your offerings and stick with delivering more performance at the price point, as in more RAM, Solid State HD, and so on. I'll take those any day over a glossy paint finish. But then again, I'm more of a "function over form" kind of guy


RE: Reminds me of a joke I heard once...
By Tiamat on 8/26/2007 4:45:03 PM , Rating: 5
The people who see the value in the paint are the non-nerds (or the majority of the people who buy the laptops) including but not limited to, the female population.


By tayhimself on 8/27/2007 9:27:13 AM , Rating: 2
You forgot to add "and the gays" ;) i like the colours. oh wait...


By paperfist on 8/26/2007 5:25:56 PM , Rating: 2
The article doesn't really cover it, but I have a Dell LCD with the 'silver' power button that the paint has worn off of in 2 months. I also have one of their older (1 year +) laptops that came in white & silver which now has mouse buttons with fading paint.


RE: Reminds me of a joke I heard once...
By afkrotch on 8/26/2007 6:19:27 PM , Rating: 2
For me, I'm both form and function. Now if I have to lose out on a better performing part, cause the paint job costs too much, I'd just get rid of the paint job and go with the higher performing part.

But if you have money for both, I'd like to get both.


RE: Reminds me of a joke I heard once...
By mindless1 on 8/26/2007 8:41:37 PM , Rating: 1
The paints are a worse form and function, since the paint wears off then it looks like crap. This really applies to any paint, not just the ones Dell is currently having problems with. IMO, the surface color of all plastic and non-corrodible metals should be that of the natural material, or mixed into the plastic before molded.


RE: Reminds me of a joke I heard once...
By Christopher1 on 8/27/2007 2:18:15 AM , Rating: 2
That's the problem exactly. Any plastic is not going to absorb paint well, so it should be put into the paint or vice versa BEFORE it is extruded into the shape that it is going to be in.
That is how they got lasting paint in plastics 10 years ago on things like Disney PC's, the color was ALREADY incorporated in the plastic while it was being made.


RE: Reminds me of a joke I heard once...
By TomZ on 8/27/2007 11:47:20 AM , Rating: 2
Nearly all cars manufactured today have a mixture of painted metal and plastic parts on their exterior - that has been the case for many years. Coatings on top of various types of plastics are both durable and can give a high-quality finish.


RE: Reminds me of a joke I heard once...
By mindless1 on 8/27/2007 7:50:43 PM , Rating: 2
wrong, they all end up looking like crap if exposed to UV or friction (use, surface wear) over the course of time.

They are neither durable or high-quality for the life of the product, only looking fancier during the first portion of the product life. If you don't believe it, take a closer look at any car that has been outside for several years, as the average car is not just a couple years old.

Could a coating be made that is more durable? Of course, but there are far too many examples of coating wearing off to demonstrate that this ideal isn't being met.


RE: Reminds me of a joke I heard once...
By TomZ on 8/28/2007 12:26:02 AM , Rating: 2
One of my cars is a 1998 Audi, and the painted bumper surfaces still look great and match the paint on the body. Sure there are a few stone chips here and there, on both the plastic and metal, but that's acceptable wear-and-tear for a car of that age.

My last laptop was a 6-year old Thinkpad that had a number of painted surfaces. Despite heavy use, all the paint was still in place. No noticable problems.

Paints designed for outdoor applications are UV stabilized, old technology, not exactly rocket science. You are entitled to your opinions about the quality of paint, but judging by the wide variety of paint-on-plastic applications out there, I'd say the evidence is that most people believe it meets the durability and quality requirements.


RE: Reminds me of a joke I heard once...
By mindless1 on 8/28/2007 2:18:23 AM , Rating: 2
besides where the pebbles hit it, I seriously hope your bumper didn't have much wear during that period. That's quite a bit different than the corner of a notebook or a user /interface/ button, lever, knob, etc.


By TomZ on 8/28/2007 8:22:35 AM , Rating: 2
Please see my response below.


RE: Reminds me of a joke I heard once...
By bldckstark on 8/27/2007 1:03:02 PM , Rating: 2
I work in an automotive plastics plant. We paint a lot of items. They are molded in the same color that they are painted, so it acts kind of like a primer. The paint we use does not come off easy. Since these are often high touch parts (pull handles, switch bezels, switches, etc.) the paint has to be very tough. The only reason you would be seeing the paint come off is if the paint was crappy to start with.

The paint process helps to reach the exact gloss level that the customer (the automotive OEM, not the buyer) wants on the part. Nevermind that the consumer drives the car off the lot and drenches the vehicle in ArmorAll.

The dye costs around three times what the plastic costs. It is much cheaper to mold a part without dye, then paint it, but when the paint wears off, you get the nasty looking natural colored material underneath looking up at you.


RE: Reminds me of a joke I heard once...
By mindless1 on 8/27/2007 8:04:43 PM , Rating: 2
The paint doesn't come off easily when brand new, but should last for the entire owner established lifespan of the product which it does not, unless you have some very new tech that has a reasonable chance of holding up better than anything else from the past few years.

I agree it is due to OEM manufacturer demand that it's painted, not the fault of the plastic part manufacturer doing as much as technology allows. That doesn't magically make the end result any better, that they are subject to surface degradation over time and there are plenty of cars out there showing this, not just a few with "crappy" paint. The problem is inherant to the method, that even molded color pastics wihtout a top coat have their surface texture worn away over time, but it looks far better to lose texture than lose a color topcoat even if the underlying plastic was almost (but never really) the same color.


RE: Reminds me of a joke I heard once...
By TomZ on 8/28/2007 12:27:46 AM , Rating: 2
You're fooling yourself. I think you need to become more aware of the quality of autmotive finishes out there. Spend some time in a parking lot looking at the paint finishes on cars 5-10 years old. You will rarely, if ever, see a paint problem like you're describing.


RE: Reminds me of a joke I heard once...
By mindless1 on 8/28/2007 2:21:46 AM , Rating: 2
#1, that's not painted plastic for the most part. Bumpers don't use the same paint formula as the rest.

#2, yes I constantly see paint problems once as close to the car as one would be to a consumer electronics device

#3, we're talking about portions subject to handling. How often do you poke your car paint in exactly the same spot? This is how many devices are designed to be operated, or moved. The evidence is out there, painted surfaces simply do not hold up as well as solid-through colors and it should have been obvious already.


By TomZ on 8/28/2007 8:22:02 AM , Rating: 2
I don't see your point. You know that with the Inspirons the lid is that part that is painted, right? Not the keyboard, or the area around the keyboard, right? I don't think that the lid will be subject to constant friction as you imply.


RE: Reminds me of a joke I heard once...
By StevoLincolnite on 8/26/2007 11:42:16 PM , Rating: 2
You pay for the paint job, so if you rather not have the flashy colourfull paint job, then don't and spend the money on upgrading a part in the laptop.


RE: Reminds me of a joke I heard once...
By paperfist on 8/27/2007 2:41:52 AM , Rating: 2
In a perfect world that would be great, but Dell sells a lot of stuff that comes painted by default and not choice as I mentioned in my post above :)


By StevoLincolnite on 8/27/2007 3:01:19 AM , Rating: 2
Ive never had any such issue, With all the laptops I have bought from dell.
I have always chosen if I want the colors or not, with every laptop I have bought.
Then again, I'm not located in the United States, or Canada or anything, so things may be different.


RE: Reminds me of a joke I heard once...
By TomZ on 8/27/2007 6:41:38 AM , Rating: 2
Nearly every tech product manufactured has some form of paint - it's not like Dell is exactly "trail blazing" here.


By Flunk on 8/27/2007 10:09:41 AM , Rating: 2
You have to be fair though, it is neary impossible to buy any sort of tech product without that discusting silver paint that slowly rubs off or a screen that easily scratches.

I think designers need to worry a bit more about durability and a lot less about how it looks just out of the box.

A great example of what they should be doing is the Gamecube (except the painted silver one). It is not the most attractive peice of hardware out of the box but it is built like a brick and looks exactly the same (assuming you don't treat it badly) for years. Say anything you like about Nintendo hardware, it is durable.


By mindless1 on 8/27/2007 8:11:36 PM , Rating: 2
Quite a few black or very dark grey products don't. Even those remaining that do, will have a far less noticable degradation over time when the top color is close to the same as the underlying plastic (and dark enough).


RE: Reminds me of a joke I heard once...
By pekingu on 8/27/07, Rating: 0
RE: Reminds me of a joke I heard once...
By herrdoktor330 on 8/27/2007 6:47:01 PM , Rating: 2
Pekingu, isn't there a high school study hall you're missing out on? Aren't you losing out on your chat time with your friends on AOL? You know how much they look up to you and your ability to roughly string together words into sentances, so that they can one day aspire to type more than "OMG... tahts so kewl. ur teh gr8tst."

Big people are talking here, and I'm willing to bet you have alot of homework to do. Keep this behavior up and you'll get held back another school year. And then your parents won't get you any more Spongebob pudding cups. ;)


By mindless1 on 8/27/2007 8:16:16 PM , Rating: 1
Now let's see you write the same thing as fluently in two other languages instead of just one, and THEN you can claim superiority to other posters.

Grammer Nazi are like all Nazi, oblivoius that the rest of the world is not in the exact same situation they are and that trying to impose on others is a losing strategy.


By sieistganzfett on 8/26/2007 2:56:36 PM , Rating: 2
hahaha. that is so funny!


RE: Reminds me of a joke I heard once...
By jpichichi on 8/27/2007 3:32:57 AM , Rating: 1
Dell just doesn't "get it". By "it" I mean what Apple has, and HP and Sony are somewhat more successful at copy-catting. (No problem with copying BTW, copying is great). They (Dell that is) were better off ignoring it altogether, these new tacky and cheap looking colors are terrible, and delays for that junk is just outrageous.

It's not about whether you're practical or not. This is a waste of effort, they aren't appealing colors and the outcome is cheap looking.

You want impractical? A black MacBook... a $100.00 premium, for a color swap... but you know what? At least it looks good.

"Skins" or stickers on a laptop is just about the tackiest idea I've ever heard of. Paint is the second tackiest ... Dell is so tasteless, they keep winging it instead of bringing out some industrial designers and reconcieving their laptops altogether.

HP laptops have it going on in terms of their cases, the flowing lines and all of that. It's like miracle stuff. Dell needs to hurry up already, it seriously would be easy for them to turn their ship around, these are trivial problems to be having.

For the longest time now, Dell professional line has been alright, but the Inspirons have always looked repugnant.


RE: Reminds me of a joke I heard once...
By TomZ on 8/27/2007 6:05:36 AM , Rating: 1
You have no idea what you're talking about. I just bought an Inspiron a couple of months back, and it looks great, much better than other machines I've owned in the past. Have you even ever seen a recent Dell?


RE: Reminds me of a joke I heard once...
By mindless1 on 8/28/2007 2:23:04 AM , Rating: 2
you know better than to take a sample size of one that's aged a mere two months as proof of anything.


By TomZ on 8/28/2007 8:24:26 AM , Rating: 2
The OP was taking about the look and feel of notebooks, something that a person could certainly evaluate with just 1-2 months of use. I agree with you that I can't judge how well anything will wear on it yet, but the OP wasn't talking about that.


Dust, not cracks or peeling.
By melgross on 8/27/2007 1:20:09 AM , Rating: 2
The problem, as I've read it, is not that the paint is peeling, but rather, that they are having problems with dust.

The reason why some colors are more affected than others, is because those colors require more coats. Each coat contributes more dust to the paint surface.

It seems to me that they should discontinue all of the colors they are having problems with, and offer their customers the choice of colors they are not having problems with.




RE: Dust, not cracks or peeling.
By TomZ on 8/27/2007 6:07:02 AM , Rating: 2
Yes, you're right - they should just give up instead of fixing the problem. After all, paining is such a difficult process to get right. NOT.


RE: Dust, not cracks or peeling.
By TomZ on 8/27/2007 6:52:01 AM , Rating: 5
Clicking through the link to Dell, I don't see anywhere any indication by Dell that they are having paint quality problems. Instead, it seems the issue is paint quantity problems, in other words, Dell's suppliers not being able to keep up with demand. That's a big difference!

I also challenge Brandon to substantiate the sub-title of this article "Dell's problems with paint quality cause more customer delays" - where was it was stated that Dell is having paint quality problems? Also you stated, "problems with the paint quality on the Inspirons are causing a delay in shipments" - can you please provide your source for that statement - I don't see anything of the like stated by Dell.

The only statement I could see in Dell's post regarding quality was a statement that Dell will not be sacrificing quality to increase quantity. That does not logically imply a quality problem.


RE: Dust, not cracks or peeling.
By mindless1 on 8/27/2007 8:27:53 PM , Rating: 2
Are you suggesting a product can't have quality problems unless a manufacturer openly admits it?

Regardless,

quote:
One example of this is the painting process. Right now, Tuxedo Black is the only color that is consistently meeting our quality standards.

... as we increased the volume, otherwise manageable factors like dust contamination caused our successful yields to decrease. Adding to the complexity, the Crimson Red and the Pearl White colors require more coats of paint and more touches to create the finished product—that means there is more opportunity for dust contamination.

-- Alex Gruzen, Sr. VP—Consumer Product Group


http://direct2dell.com/one2one/archive/2007/08/03/...


RE: Dust, not cracks or peeling.
By TomZ on 8/28/2007 12:21:09 AM , Rating: 2
That's relating to the M1330, not the Inspiron. Care to play again?


RE: Dust, not cracks or peeling.
By mindless1 on 8/28/2007 2:23:43 AM , Rating: 2
Care to guess whether painting other shells has the same factors involved?


RE: Dust, not cracks or peeling.
By TomZ on 8/28/2007 8:36:23 AM , Rating: 2
The colors are different between M1330 and Inspirons. M1330 had Pearl, and currently has crimson red and jet black. The Inspirons have a different, larger color palette. The paint on the M1330 is also very glossy, whereas the paint is matte on the Inspirons. This suggests that the paint process, and potentially even the vendor, could be completely different.


RE: Dust, not cracks or peeling.
By TomZ on 8/28/2007 12:32:33 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Are you suggesting a product can't have quality problems unless a manufacturer openly admits it?

And no, but I'm suggesting that it does not logically follow that because Dell is having a shortage of certain painted parts, that there must be a quality problem. That would be a "quantity" problem, not a "quality" problem.

Maybe the underlying cause is a quality problem, but AFAIK that is not known. It is just as likely a supply forecasting issue, since the Inspirons are a new line of computers for Dell. Brandon clearly states in the article that there are paint quality problems with the Inspiron, however, he can't substantiate those claims.


RE: Dust, not cracks or peeling.
By mindless1 on 8/28/2007 2:27:02 AM , Rating: 2
I think you're splitting hairs. A quality problem causing a quantity problem. Their QC is stopping the products from leaving but we don't have statistically significant data to determine whether the QC bar is being lowered to get more out the door than would pass if there wasn't a problem meeting production deadlines.


RE: Dust, not cracks or peeling.
By TomZ on 8/28/2007 8:30:35 AM , Rating: 2
I agree, that's possible (I said that already), but so far Dell has not stated the reason for the delays. You are only guessing, unless you have some insider information.


Dell cares about (paint) quality?
By DragonMaster0 on 8/26/2007 6:39:17 PM , Rating: 2
Since when does Dell actually care about paint quality?

Look at any used Dell laptops with the cheesy silver paint. It's all gone on every corners or scratched.

Have they started to use even cheaper stuff that even comes off while packing the unit???




By afkrotch on 8/26/2007 7:41:38 PM , Rating: 3
Well, that's paint that is slowly rubbed off with time. It's normal with anything really. I'm thinking the painting problem with these current laptops is that it cracks and falls off.

That's really all just speculation, but it could be the case.


By mindless1 on 8/27/2007 8:32:12 PM , Rating: 2
The difference is that they feel they can ignore a product quality issue that has a cosmetic impact with normal use, versus one that has a cosmetic impact before the system is ever used. In other words, if that silver was worn away when you first unpacked it, they'd consider that a problem too, but they don't care if it doesn't stand up to use so long as they feel reasonably safe in refusing a warranty replacement because they dont' warrant against surface finish wear.


Dye Injection
By littleprince on 8/27/2007 9:36:41 AM , Rating: 2
Why not just do it properly and have the colour dye injected and molded into the plastic.

Looks a lot better, and won't wear as badly.




RE: Dye Injection
By skaaman on 8/27/2007 10:09:51 AM , Rating: 2
Its a simple matter of production planning. I can order x red, y green and z pinks or 1 whole batch of white and paint to suit. It's simple logistics that backfired.

The colors are great. The units are popular. If Apple has taught the industry anything its:

1) Style does matter.
2) You can usually charge more for it.

Its just business.


RE: Dye Injection
By teclis1023 on 8/27/2007 4:54:39 PM , Rating: 2
Exactly my thinking. Most people on these forums either don't care (or pretend not to care) about the looks of their laptops and often ridicule those that are willing to pay extra for style/aesthetics.

The bottom line is that the majority of pc/mac consumers DO care about style and looks. Apple's worth more than Dell right now, and you'd better believe that style's got sumptin' to do with that.

It's the same with cars. Most people care what their cars look like. If they didn't, we wouldn't have Ferraris and Corvettes.

So, like it or not, Dell is barking up the right tree here..it just seems like they are doing so poorly. Take a note from Apple and settle yourself on two or three high-quality chassis, then market the crap out of them!


I prefer the "Skinned" approach
By noirsoft on 8/26/2007 11:19:38 PM , Rating: 2
My XPS M120, came only in black, but had a free "skin" option, which was basically a big, thick sticker that covered most of the panel. I think that worked out better than offering colorful paint jobs.




RE: I prefer the "Skinned" approach
By TomZ on 8/27/2007 6:53:53 AM , Rating: 2
I disagree - the painted case on the Inspiron is much nicer than a label/overlay would probably ever be. The reason is that the paint can follow the shape of the surface (labels have to be basically flat) and it can project a more interesting texture than a label.


The real reason!
By Etern205 on 8/26/07, Rating: 0
RE: The real reason!
By nbesheer on 8/26/07, Rating: 0
RE: The real reason!
By Etern205 on 8/27/2007 9:25:03 PM , Rating: 1
Looks like Daily Tech are for a bunch of dweebs who can't have
a fun side. All comments must be serious or strictly related to the article. I knew I'll get a negative rating for that first comment I posted. :D


RE: The real reason!
By mindless1 on 8/28/2007 2:28:21 AM , Rating: 2
Don't you realize that monkey sex has been outlawed in the US?


Dell is |-|ell
By Spartan Niner on 8/26/2007 2:47:17 PM , Rating: 2
I like Dell's thinking. More sales staff will inevitably solve their quality control problem. They'll just market it into nonexistence. It'll be a "textured" finish.




Slight Correction
By Trisagion on 8/26/2007 11:42:46 PM , Rating: 2
I believe it should be "Choose wisely" under the picture.
Use FireFox! :)




By imperator3733 on 8/27/2007 10:27:56 AM , Rating: 2
I ordered a blue Inspiron 1520 the Saturday after they were released and I just got it two weeks ago. It was delayed because there weren't enough cases. Had to call several times, but I finally have it. It's a nice paint job.




It Pays to Test
By cheetah2k on 8/28/2007 3:25:03 AM , Rating: 1
I'm involved in the construction industry, and in particular structural steel work and external curtain walls to commercial and hotel buildings, where i deal with paint coatings in varying thicknesses from 25microns to 300 microns, in a vast range of colours (RAL & ICI in particular) and in a wide range of environments and situations (internal and external).

My work is predominantly in China (Macau and Hong Kong) and during the design & procurement phase, we always carry out accelerated tests in an independant laboratory on paint samples (typically PVDF, PPC, PU and other industrial paint coatings) to measure adhesion, durability, bleeding, compatibility with chemicals, humidity, UV degradation and fading, and the like. All of this in the end gives us a good idea on how our contractor handles and applies the coatings.

This extra effort really does pay in the long run, and in DELL's case, I can see that they rushed their new product line to distribution, without going about this properly.

The bottom line here is, "it may look pretty today, but what about next week?"




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