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You'll get it when it's done

Sony officials have confirmed that the Playstation 3 will indeed make it out before the end of the year, but that's all the company will say. There's no word on the launch date, no word on pricing and no word on if they've decided to get rid of the boomerang controller.

At the 2006 Taipei Game Show, Sony was only able to muster up three mock-up PS3 consoles -- maybe Josh Robinson was on to something...

The PS3 will lag the Xbox 360 more in market share if Sony delays launch of the PS3 to the end of 2006, the sources said, noting that Microsoft predicted global shipments of its Xbox 360 will reach 4.5-5.5 million units by the end of June.

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RE: Not excited by the PS3
By fhornmikey on 2/17/2006 12:58:05 PM , Rating: 2
Ok, couple important things to note:

1) ATRAC is not an alternative to MP3, it is a compression method used in MiniDisc players to eliminate the portions of the audio spectrum which the human ear cannot discern.

2) Sony did indeed claim the PS3 would be available in Spring, IN JAPAN. Never did they claim it would be available either worldwide or in the US during this timeframe.

3) Have you looked at the dismal numbers of the Xbox360 in Japan? Not only did it launch with 7 games (most of which were crap btw) but it actually sold less than the original Xbox did at launch. The gaming public in Japan trusts in Sony, and why shouldn't they, they haven't let them down yet. The Playstation/Playstation 2 is by FAR the de facto videogaming standard in Japan and there is no reason to doubt this trend will not continue.

4) Do you remember when the PS2 came out? DVD players were still $300+ and many were very reluctant to buy one, however the PS2 came out and has been cited by many industry analysts as one of the driving forces behind the success of DVD. It has been stated by many of these same analysts that the same thing is expected to occur with the PS3.

I think proprietary is not an apt description for Blu-Ray technology. Not only are there several companies other than Sony making Blu-Ray players, but all of these companies can also produce the disc. Blu-Ray is no more proprietary than HDDVD, not to mention the fact that there are a LOT more companies behind Blu-Ray than just Sony.

http://www.blu-ray.com/

You have to pay more for superior technology, it's always been that way and I don't see it changing anytime soon, it's just the way the world works.


RE: Not excited by the PS3
By MetaSyntacticVariable on 2/17/2006 1:42:07 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
1) ATRAC is not an alternative to MP3, it is a compression method used in MiniDisc players to eliminate the portions of the audio spectrum which the human ear cannot discern.


very bad description but that is precisely why it *is* a competitor to mp3 / AAC / ogg vorbis...

ATRAC is a audio compression (a) is used by sony on (almost) all their digital audio products from MD onwards.
mp3 is a codec which allows a combination of 1) perceptual (i.e. lossy) compression in certain limited ways and 2) lossless compression.
1) In effect defines a spec for players to playback which in turn defines how a compression engine might throw things away to reduce size.

ATRAC version X (for some X) basically does a different type of 1) and 2) (though with similar methodology).

ATRAC does have some nice design features (for all it's myriad annoyances).
Notably the 'container' it defines can have gapless breaks between tracks. Believe me once you encode the genius of "As Heard on Radio Soulwax" onto an ipod/itunes in AAC when you previously had it on minidisc you will notice the difference.

ATRAC is really now an umbrella term (sincle later versions of the codec branded as ATRAC bear little resemblance to the originals(b))

(a) technically you could consider this to also define the container - though it is only a container for one thing. same goes for mp3

(b) funny story - when designing the ATRAC mode used for MDLP modes in the 'second' wave of minidisc devices they decided to deliberately 'waste' space so that the 'block' size of the MDLP would be identical to that of the originals.
This waste of space (about 10%+) was solely to allow existing minidisc players with no awareness of MDLP to accept the discs data as silence rather than barfing about illegal discs.


RE: Not excited by the PS3
By fhornmikey on 2/17/2006 1:52:21 PM , Rating: 2
Awesome, I just got eductated... thanks for that.

I had never heard of anyone bothering to use ATRAC outside of minidiscs but it is indeed supported on all Sony mobile music devices from the MD era forward.


RE: Not excited by the PS3
By Araemo on 2/17/2006 2:41:52 PM , Rating: 2
Well, my Sony Discman(I bought it because Sonys used to be rugged, well designed pieces of consumer electronics) was one of the first discmen to support mp3 cds. It also supported "Atrac3Plus!" discs instead of mp3 discs.. And many earlier Discman players supported atrac3 discs but not mp3 discs.. Sony really tried to make it a competitor to mp3.

The player came with software to transcode mp3s to atrac3s and burn them to CD.. but when I did that, half the tracks wouldn't play on the discman. So I went with mp3(Even though it supposedly gave worse battery life on that player, and made for slightly less songs per disc) and was happy with it until one errant fall onto a resin floor killed the discman.


RE: Not excited by the PS3
By Questar on 2/17/2006 1:56:29 PM , Rating: 2
To the best of my knowlege, MP3 doesn't not allow for lossless. It's lossy by definition.


By MetaSyntacticVariable on 2/20/2006 6:28:38 AM , Rating: 2
<sigh> I wrote a rather longer replay which the site problems swallowed grrr.

short answer. I should have been more descriptive on that part sorry.
mp3 does not allow a totally lossless encoding(a). it does however contain a compression method applied post lossy compression to reduce any lingering entropy via a relatively general purpose compression algorithm (in mp3's case huffman encoding).

I was just trying to make it clear that the X format for any x likely contains multiple schemes of compression in layers. not very well it would appear.

not sure if this holds true if bit rate becomes infinity but pretty sure not the case


RE: Not excited by the PS3
By WileECoyote on 2/17/2006 2:14:13 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
4) Do you remember when the PS2 came out? DVD players were still $300+ and many were very reluctant to buy one, however the PS2 came out and has been cited by many industry analysts as one of the driving forces behind the success of DVD. It has been stated by many of these same analysts that the same thing is expected to occur with the PS3.


Actually when The PS2 was launched DVD players could be had for as little as $149 or less


RE: Not excited by the PS3
By nowayout99 on 2/17/2006 3:43:36 PM , Rating: 2
"Sony did indeed claim the PS3 would be available in Spring, IN JAPAN. Never did they claim it would be available either worldwide or in the US during this timeframe."

Sony never identified which market would get the PS3 in Spring. They're hardly talking about it at all except how supposedly awesome it'll be. All they've said since last E3 was "Spring 2006."


RE: Not excited by the PS3
By CBone on 2/17/2006 3:52:31 PM , Rating: 2
In response to #3, Japanese consumers would buy a turd in a box if it said Sony on it. Their fervor for all things Sony and their snubbing of non-Japanese hardware is hardly indicative of anything regarding the 360, other than making it more apparent that MS should just let Japan go. Focus on the US, get that system everywhere. Make like Apple and get on every freaking show possible. Give them away to celebs with big mouths.

M$ should release some gibberish made-up 360 capabilities and see how long it takes Sony to gin up some PR about how the PS3 does the same thing, only somehow better.


RE: Not excited by the PS3
By Lakku on 2/18/2006 11:32:31 AM , Rating: 2
Glad someone finally said it. Sony = Japanese = major league nationalists i.e. racists, meaning - Sony would buy anything Japanese because it was Japanese and therefore the most superior thing on the planet. They don't buy the 360 because it says MS... if it said Nintendo or Sony, it would have sold 1 million in a couple weeks.


RE: Not excited by the PS3
By Lakku on 2/18/2006 11:33:56 AM , Rating: 2
that Sony up there should read Japanese would buy Japanese, not Sony buying Japanese :-p sorry


RE: Not excited by the PS3
By DFranch on 2/17/2006 9:04:18 PM , Rating: 3
1) I'm pretty sure that Sony's early mp3 type music players only supported ATRAC. Sony only started including MP3 support because nobody wanted to use ATRAC. Sony would have loved to convert the world to it's standard, but nobody went along.

2) I'm pretty sure the PS3 is still not available in Japan either.

3) If you are trying to imply that the Japanese market has not bought xboxes is because they are discerning consumers I think your logic is flawed. The Japanese are very brand loyal. The PS3 could be total crap and they would still buy more of them then xbox.

4a) Ok, so you are saying that the PS2 sold for about the price of a stand-alone DVD player when it came out. So using your logic, should we expect the PS3 to cost $1000.

4b) You're right propriatery is not the right term for Blue-Ray. But Sony is the company pushing the standard, and they have the most to gain if it becomes the de-facto standard in HD. They are using the probability that 20million units will be sold to ram the technology down our throats.

Oh, and one thing I forgot to mention before. How about the rootkit fiasco. Sony is not the company I want controlling the technology I buy.


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