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Sony says PS3 is like Energizer Bunny

Sony Computer Entertainment America’s communication’s chief Dave Karraker was proud to note on the official PlayStation blog an independent PlayStation 3 “stress test” that put the console through triple-digit hours of operation in various adverse conditions that no gamer would endure.

The test, as conducted by PS3 Vault, is titled, “How to kill a Ps3 Console” and sends the machine into zero degree temperatures and sauna-level heat for over four days at a time.

The first test environment was the typical family room – the place nearly all gamers will be using their PlayStation 3 consoles – where the machine ran for a continuous 108 hours with a mix of Blu-ray Disc movie playback and videogaming. The only recorded anomaly was a “slight vibration coming from the tray area which lasted approximately 20 seconds.”

The second test environment moved the PlayStation 3 into the back of freezer van, where temperatures started at 50 degrees Fahrenheit and progressively dipped down to zero. “We noticed a slight sluggishness in playback once the temperature reached 0 degrees,” the test notes. “This was maintained for the last 24 hours, with 12 hours to go we thought we were going to crash with a sudden blackout to the screen, [but] this was tracked down to condensation on the cord for the screen.”

The final testing area was inside a sauna, where temperatures started at 100 degrees Fahrenheit, and went up to 120 degrees over the last 24 hours. “Strangely enough we thought this would prove to be the ultimate area to kill the console, and to our surprise the only incident we noticed was a slight burning smell that came in around 64hours at 110F,” read the test report. “The console was extremely hot when we finished the overall test but had come thru all environments with flying colours.”

According to the test notes, the test console is now back in a normal environment and is exhibiting no abnormal operation.

“A lot of noise has been made recently about the reliability issues of one of our competitor’s systems. So, not surprisingly, some of our more ambitious PlayStation faithful decided to run their own stress test on the PlayStation 3,” wrote Karraker of SCEA. “They put it in a freezer at zero degrees for up to 108 hours and they put it in a sauna at 120 degrees for up to 64 hours — all the while running games and Blu-ray Disc movies on it. Did it fail? Nope. Like the Energizer Bunny, it kept going and going and going.”



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Xbox360
By PlasmaBomb on 8/15/2007 8:54:37 AM , Rating: 5
So when are they going to try that out on an xbox 360?




RE: Xbox360
By Eurasianman on 8/15/2007 9:03:18 AM , Rating: 3
HAHA!

XBOX 360 in a enclosed area with 3 inch clearing on all sides. Ambient temperature, 70F. 4 hours later... RRoD.


RE: Xbox360
By StevoLincolnite on 8/15/2007 9:11:55 AM , Rating: 3
Nothing can beat the durability of the old consoles in the snes era, or even the N64, I forgot how many times I chewed on my snes controllers cord, or kicked the console across the room by accident, even getting agro at a game and slamming the controller as hard as I could into the ground couldn't break the machine, and the other bonus? It had no fans, it was silent! and there was no heat! (None that could be noticed anyway) Its a shame consoles aren't made as durable as the golden console days, I doubt even the PS3 or Wii are as durable as the older Nintendo and Sega consoles.
This just seems as if sony are trying to gain some fans by saying "Our console is better than yours".


RE: Xbox360
By GeeSussFreeK on 8/15/2007 9:24:49 AM , Rating: 5
Hello rose color glasses man :)

Someone seems to have forgotten the most time consuming element of the old console systems...just getting the thing to start! To start a game with the SNES and NES (more so the NES) one had to expend many many lungs worth of air and the most careful of cartage insertion.

I would say they were less audible, but not any less fidgety. And I have thrown my PS2 controllers around and they still function. I got an SNES control to explode once when I threw it down. I would say that all the accessories are just as suseptable to being destroyed if they are hit right.


RE: Xbox360
By Flunk on 8/15/2007 9:46:18 AM , Rating: 2
My SNES still works (My parents bought it for me on launch day in 1991) and it has been used extensively since. It may not be a stress test, but endurance wise that's stellar.

Also, you don't have issues with startup if you keep the cartridges clean. Dirty cartridges vs scratched up DVDs, at least the cartridges will play sometimes.

As for recent consoles, the Gamecube is built like a brick and I have never heard of anyone having issues with one.

XBox 360 is an anomoly in console systems. Other systems have had problems in the past (PS2 and blue discs) but this whole RROD thing is completely unacceptible. If I buy a console system I expect it to work properly for 10 years as long as I take care of it (and I will).


RE: Xbox360
By Wolfpup on 8/15/2007 10:05:15 AM , Rating: 2
I totally agree. I expect my consoles to last indefinitely-I want (and sometimes do) pull out systems 10, 15, 20 years later, and expect them to work.

The NES and Genesis era consoles did NOT have any serious reliability issues. The above poster sounds like he/she abused his/her systems. They did NOT require "blowing" on the games to work. I have never done that, and in fact I think Nintendo back in the day said not to do that.

There is NO reason for cartridge games to get dirty (or discs to get scratched for that matter) unless you're doing something wrong (or in the later case...you have a 360 that chews discs...)


RE: Xbox360
By omnicronx on 8/15/2007 10:13:57 AM , Rating: 2
have you ever heard of dust? i remember having to blow my NES games off all the time, regardless of what nintendo says was right or wrong, they would not work until i blew the dust out to uncover the contacts. I think they just said not to blow because people would spit on the games through blowing, then would put them directly into their console.

On the other hand i knew stupid people who would blow directly into their console, thats a no no.


RE: Xbox360
By Kefner on 8/15/2007 10:36:28 AM , Rating: 2
Whether you had to blow on yours or not doesn't mean it didn't work for many others. I had to do that almost all the time. Now I recently pulled out my NES for some old school gaming, and it took me quite awhile to get the cartridge in the right spot for the NES to actually play it, blowing air on it or not. What I did was went to totalconsole.com, and ordered a new cartridge reader. Basically open up your NES and replace the old reader with the new reader. Works great every time now, and now I no longer have to blow on them. :)


RE: Xbox360
By GeeSussFreeK on 8/15/2007 2:07:43 PM , Rating: 2
right, I was just saying that there were still issues you had to deal with back in the "golden days" is all. I have can still use my original NES and my PS1. Both have had to be cleaned of dust from time to time. Then again, you wouldn't have issues if you stuck a SNES in a closed in space and couldn't vent properly, so there is an extra dynamic, but they weren't without issues for sure.

And no, I didn't misuse my Nintendo...well, not more than any other kid did I presume. On that note though, I did have a sega master system blow a power transducer (I think that is what it is, I'm not an electrician). So even they early consoles could blow up under the right conditions (no, it wasn't abused either). I think it was just age.


RE: Xbox360
By StevoLincolnite on 8/16/2007 10:41:04 AM , Rating: 2
You still cant say that the older consoles were MORE prone to fault than the Xbox 360, at least if it was an issue where a game doesnt work, cleaning the console or the cart would fix it.
When your xbox 360 starts screaming "I'm a teapot" and starts throwing around red rings of death, then its time to get it fixed, at least with the golden days you can be assured your console would last, and such issues didn't arise till the Playstation 1/2 and on a larger scale the Xbox 360 happened.


RE: Xbox360
By dflynchimp on 8/15/2007 11:39:53 AM , Rating: 2
mother dearest once threw my N64 out of the back door, where it landed, bounced and skidded across solid concrete. Twas a good five feet drop...

Thing still runs like a charm...


RE: Xbox360
By roadhog74 on 8/15/2007 9:34:55 PM , Rating: 2
did you not clean you room again?


RE: Xbox360
By FITCamaro on 8/15/2007 10:38:10 AM , Rating: 2
Our original NES still works. :)


RE: Xbox360
By Omega215D on 8/15/2007 12:05:55 PM , Rating: 2
Thank god for cans of compressed air to do that for us =D.

I remember having to slide the reset button when a game had frozen due to maybe dust or a little jiggle of the cartridge.


RE: Xbox360
By sprockkets on 8/15/2007 4:29:58 PM , Rating: 2
You are referring to the stupid chip in the NES that plagued the system for anti piracy reasons.

Seeing as how the old consoles were solid state with putting out very little heat, yeah, of course they are going to be more reliable. The XBOX 360? How many damn heat pipes do you need?


RE: Xbox360
By otispunkmeyer on 8/16/2007 3:39:30 AM , Rating: 2
i have to expend many lung fulls of air jsut to get my 360 working. i have no idea why blowing in the DVD drive works either. but it does.

its like theres a negative pressure inside that just sucks all the dust into the disc drive :/


RE: Xbox360
By darkpaw on 8/15/2007 9:38:16 AM , Rating: 4
The price for progress is complexity. You didn't need complex cooling for a 286 either, but people don't complain about needing a HSF for their new processors.

Sure the new systems are more complex, but unless you really still want to play in an 8-bit mode with no graphics/net/media support you could still have simple. Hell, the current PS2 probably matches the old systems in simplicity now, but thats due to many years of refinement and shrinkage.


RE: Xbox360
By omnicronx on 8/15/2007 9:41:30 AM , Rating: 2
ya very true, passive cooling/ no moving parts is fun and all,
but i think we are just a weee bit past that stage now ;)
Even the wii is not cooled passively i dont think.(or GC for that matter)


RE: Xbox360
By webdawg77 on 8/15/2007 9:53:18 AM , Rating: 2
Couldn't we go back to no moving parts? How much does 4 GB of flash memory cost now? It's maybe $20, but that's only if you buy 1. If you bought in bulk, you could cut it in half or more? If you need more space for a game, then just increase the size.

Then, you'd never have to worry anymore about load times, about your disc being scratched, about how much "space" was available, and the power consumption would be cut. Why don't they do this already? I think games on flash based media would be a very good thing.


RE: Xbox360
By omnicronx on 8/15/2007 10:09:54 AM , Rating: 2
by moving parts i was not really meaning the optical drive, its a great idea, but i was more or less talking about the cpu, the last time i remember not having a fan in my computer (besides the psu) is back in the pentium 2 days.

Makes you really wonder though why flash memory is not being used, except in Sony's case where unless they made their own filesystem, they would be paying MS royalties for each part using the FAT/FAT32 system, or have they done that already?


RE: Xbox360
By therealnickdanger on 8/15/2007 11:22:11 AM , Rating: 1
If you think about it, all the old-school games were flash-based. Even modern cart-based games for the DS. Cartridges are nothing more than plastic-wrapped memory cards. Part of the reason disc-based games don't cost $80 (Zelda) is due to the reduction in parts costs for the game itself. Disc-based technology makes it cheaper to produce and nets more money in the pockets of developers/publishers, which they need to combat the rising development costs. If your typical PS3 or 360 game was stored on a 8GB or 16GB flash card, you would most certainly have to add a good $20 onto the cost of games to compensate for not using 10-cent DVDs.

The advantage is obviously decreased load times and nearly instant access to any and all data on the cart, but the only downside is cost. Remember all the N64 games that had no loading screens, but the PS1 versions did? But then remember the PS1 had superior audio and full-motion video? Pros and cons...


RE: Xbox360
By Sebec on 8/15/2007 11:42:17 AM , Rating: 2
I thought about it, and I'm going to have to disagree. Those old carts aren't like flash at all. Flash stores data without the need for power, and is rewritable. The carts weren't rewritable, and saving data/progress required a battery back up in the cart or a password system.


RE: Xbox360
By afkrotch on 8/15/2007 11:32:38 AM , Rating: 1
No need to pay for licensing of FAT. Microsoft has some weird volunteer licensing of FAT and only in some specific cases.


RE: Xbox360
By kmmatney on 8/15/2007 3:07:00 PM , Rating: 2
Pentium 2 definately needed a fan, as did the faster pentiums (MMX versions). You really need to go back to the first generation pentiums (60 Hz and 90 Hz) when you didn't need a fan.


RE: Xbox360
By webdawg77 on 8/15/2007 3:12:50 PM , Rating: 2
I'm fairly sure that they didn't use a fan. I've got a few PIIs and a PIII at the house. I'll post some pics with the attached heat sink / cooling solution when I get there later.


RE: Xbox360
By sprockkets on 8/15/2007 4:33:16 PM , Rating: 2
There were fanless versions that ran with a stupid duct over it with only the power supply fan drawing air over it *cough* gateway. I'm sure you also like your processor too running at 70 degrees C also too, cause if you ever felt how hot it was with your finger you were liable to burn it.


RE: Xbox360
By webdawg77 on 8/15/2007 5:09:12 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I'm sure you also like your processor too running at 70 degrees C also too


If you heard of someone having CPUs from last decade around, don't you think that he/she would know a thing or two about hardware? I don't like my chips running any hotter than they have to run. 70C is a little too hot for my tastes.

I was just commenting that the PIIs and the PIIIs (slot 1) didn't have a fan attached to the heatsink.


RE: Xbox360
By akyp on 8/15/2007 9:48:01 PM , Rating: 2
My Pentium-133 (my first self-assembled system) had a stock HSF from Intel.

I think Intel started to include HSF on 486 Overdrives (retail version of 486-50/66 DX2).


RE: Xbox360
By afkrotch on 8/15/2007 11:29:53 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
Couldn't we go back to no moving parts? How much does 4 GB of flash memory cost now? It's maybe $20, but that's only if you buy 1. If you bought in bulk, you could cut it in half or more? If you need more space for a game, then just increase the size.

Then, you'd never have to worry anymore about load times, about your disc being scratched, about how much "space" was available, and the power consumption would be cut. Why don't they do this already? I think games on flash based media would be a very good thing.


That would be the dumbest idea ever. If a game already costs $60 on a cheap to press dvd or blu-ray, can you imagine the cost to have it on a 4 GB to a 50 gig flash drive.

Also never seen a 4 GB flash drive for less than $30. Course if you are just going to buy the chips, it'll be significantly cheaper.

Either way, games are expensive as they are now and to use flash would simply increase costs. Oh and you can guarantee that they'll raise costs by a lot.

Look at Microsoft and their stupid 512 meg flash based memory cards. $40 for the thing. If they move to flash, I can easily see Microsoft charging $100+ for each game.


RE: Xbox360
By webdawg77 on 8/15/2007 12:59:45 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Look at Microsoft and their stupid 512 meg flash based memory cards. $40 for the thing. If they move to flash, I can easily see Microsoft charging $100+ for each game.


Microsoft doesn't make the all of the games. Is EA owned by Microsoft? Is Ubisoft owned by Microsoft? Is SquareEnix owned by Microsoft?

quote:
Either way, games are expensive as they are now and to use flash would simply increase costs. Oh and you can guarantee that they'll raise costs by a lot.


And for the cost of the media, I agree that DVD media is cheaper. But, when buying it bulk, would the difference be that much? I would be a premium to have media that won't be damaged by accidentally dropping it. Not to mention, all of the benefits that come with flash media over optical media.


RE: Xbox360
By omnicronx on 8/15/2007 1:42:31 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Look at Microsoft and their stupid 512 meg flash based memory cards. $40 for the thing. If they move to flash, I can easily see Microsoft charging $100+ for each game.
just because ms currently sells their flash cards for that much has nothing to do with the fact that if they buy flash media in bulk, it will be substancially cheaper. If you really think that 40$ flash drive costs 40$ to make you have some problems. adding 5-10 dollars to the manufacturing costs for media that essentially can not be broken is a not a bad idea. Just think about how many people scratch their discs and render them useless. I would pay an extra 5-10 bucks just for that.

On another note, to think MS would even sell a game for $100
is ridiculous. Unless we are talking 2035 here..


RE: Xbox360
By rockyct on 8/16/2007 2:56:57 AM , Rating: 2
Assuming about $10 per a GB, a 4 GB card costs about $40. If it's on sale, the profit is probably only a couple of dollars. I think you overestimate the concept of bulk in the electronics industry. It is quite reasonable for Microsoft to charge $100 per a game if it went to flash. I think at an absolute minimum, maybe $90. Either way, he was much more close that your assumption of a $10 increase. So, yes, it would be ridiculous to sell a game for $100, which is why they won't move to NAND flash anytime soon.


RE: Xbox360
By Shadowmaster625 on 8/15/2007 1:40:43 PM , Rating: 2
Perhaps if samsung were to release a console, then there were be a reason to have flash based games.

I think the best thing to do is downloading games. It just makes so much sense. You download the first 100 megs, start playing, and keep playing while the rest downloads. (If they do it right. I know that definately is not how it works right now!) It really makes sense on a system with a hard drive, such as the PS3. Makes more sense than blu-ray, thats for sure. Doh...


RE: Xbox360
By Chaser on 8/15/2007 9:12:41 AM , Rating: 2
Until they re-design it the daily power button test is tempting fate as it is.

Anything beyond that and the new mail-in 3 year brick warranty won't cover anything else.


RE: Xbox360
By Assimilator87 on 8/15/2007 3:59:48 PM , Rating: 2
You know why the industry switched to optical media? Look at how much Neo-Geo cartridges cost and you'll know. Memory is F-ing expensive.

Also, with how slow internet is, I'm not a fan of downloading games. Why should I download something at 1MB/s when I can just install it from the disc at 20MB/s.


RE: Xbox360
By Alexstarfire on 8/15/2007 4:49:27 PM , Rating: 1
And the Wii, or even the Gamecube. I would imagine that those are a lot more durable than the PS3 or xBox 360. It also doesn't help that they only tested the PS3. It's great that the PS3 survived all that, but if the other consoles can survive more then it's not saying much. Of course since your console wouldn't likely go through those conditions ever it doesn't mean much that it can do that in the first place.


RE: Xbox360
By Alexstarfire on 8/15/2007 4:52:32 PM , Rating: 2
Man, forgot to mention that my Gamecube survived being dropped onto asphalt from a fast moving bicycle. That only things that are messed up on it are the case and the button to open up the drive, sometimes it sticks. I'm not even sure if the button is sticky because of that or because I spilled something on it. Either way the console runs great.


No surprises there
By Chaser on 8/15/2007 8:50:59 AM , Rating: 3
Simply put, the Play Station 3 is a well designed and reliable Blue Ray Media hub and gaming system.




RE: No surprises there
By bplewis24 on 8/15/2007 9:24:02 AM , Rating: 3
Exactly. I think everybody pretty much knew this thing was a well engineered device already. Sony just needs to keep plugging away at getting their killer apps to the market. That is the priority right now. The other stuff is old news.

Brandon


RE: No surprises there
By mdogs444 on 8/15/07, Rating: -1
RE: No surprises there
By Amiga500 on 8/15/2007 9:34:26 AM , Rating: 5
So how many Blue Ray Media hubs are you aware of that come cheaper?

As a pure games console, it is hideously overpriced.

As a Blu-Ray player, games console and media hub, it is fantastic value for money.

Sony's problem is high def hasn't taken off as they'd have hoped, with the result that people see the PS3 more as the pure games console rather than the whole box of tricks.


RE: No surprises there
By ShapeGSX on 8/15/2007 10:03:29 AM , Rating: 4
"As a Blu-Ray player, games console and media hub, it is fantastic value for money."

Only if you value Blu-Ray.


RE: No surprises there
By Chaser on 8/15/2007 9:50:08 AM , Rating: 3
Overpriced for you maybe. But worth every cent for a reliable Playstation 3 compared to the hit or miss power button brick test you get with the Xbox 360.

Just my .03 cents.


RE: No surprises there
By probedb on 8/15/2007 9:58:32 AM , Rating: 3
Overpriced? OVERPRICED? So how much did you pay for you first gen DVD player? Oh wait....more than a PS3 cost when it came out!!!! With a PS3 you get a games console, media centre and a Blu-Ray player, with my original DVD player I got ..... a DVD player.

No I'm not a Sony fanboy, the only Sony equipment I own is my DVB settop box but will people please get over the overpriced statement!!! New technology always costs more when it comes out.

Jeez.


RE: No surprises there
By omnicronx on 8/15/2007 10:03:00 AM , Rating: 2
You can not argue with the numbers, thats all that can be said. If the PS3 was not overpriced and had better games it could have been selling like hotcakes as we speak.
Remember the term overpriced is all in the eye of the beholder, but in this case it seems the lagging console sales (until of course they lowered the price) can only mean one thing, people don't want to shell out that much money, plain and simple.


RE: No surprises there
By mdogs444 on 8/15/2007 10:04:12 AM , Rating: 3
Actually I paid $149 for my first DVD player. Was a zenith 5 disc carousel lol.

But i dont fall into the "pay now for new technology" trap. Most times, all you are doing is paying 3x as much, for 3x less features, and a 3x better chance of breakage then waiting for the G2, G3, G4 releases.


RE: No surprises there
By dflynchimp on 8/15/2007 11:45:34 AM , Rating: 4
meh, overpriced for y'all console devotees, but for those who've ever splurged on comp hardware it's not really that bad.


RE: No surprises there
By bplewis24 on 8/15/2007 12:53:04 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
there are no decent games to call it a "gaming system"


That's a gross exaggeration at best and completely ignorant at worst.

Brandon


RE: No surprises there
By aos007 on 8/15/2007 1:02:39 PM , Rating: 3
Overpriced?

Let's think of it this way.

There is a cost to reliability. You pay it with PS3. You don't with Xbox360. The results? Predictable.

I am STILL waiting for my Xbox360 to come back from repairs. It's been 4 weeks now. I am mildly annoyed but if it was September and I had a lineup of new games waiting, I'd be royally pissed off. In the meantime I am playing Okami and watching BluRay movies on my PS3.

Microsoft has lots of great games, and more are coming. None of which are fun if your console is in a coffin in the back of a some shipping truck.


RE: No surprises there
By thecoolnessrune on 8/16/2007 8:42:07 PM , Rating: 2
Okami is a royally beautiful game... I spent the first 5 hours of the game in the first area just soaking it all in.

The game's art style is simple, but, IMO, more beautiful than any FEAR, STALKER, GoF, GRAW... anything like that.. Sure they aren't even in the same genre. But the vibrant colors are just a joy to behold even on my meager curved standard definition JVC CRT television using composite cables. I can't wait to get an optical splitter so I can try the game in surround sound.

To anyone who may be actually reading this, if you have a PS2/PS3, please.. pick up Okami. It really is a sleeper hit. It's unique, vibrant, dark and yet cheerful all at the same time.

Yes, off the topic at hand.. But I think we could use a change in subject from the usual PS3/XBOX360 pissing matches.


While intereting, not 100% best testing
By Panurge on 8/15/2007 9:03:09 AM , Rating: 5
The biggest problem I have with this set of tests is that it removed one of what I consider the bigger problems with running any console: ventilation.

Sure, running at 100 to 120 degrees Fahrenheit is relatively high, but that's still cool compared to the running temperature of the chips, so that can still get cooled with proper airflow.

In all tests, they placed the PS3 on a wooden frame with 10cm of open space below for airflow. However, most locations that a console would be used does not have this luxury.

I would like to see another test run. Place the system in a small box with little airflow. Perhaps a wooden box with a glass front and a small hole in the back to run wires. With no explicit temperature control, this is much closer to what real entertainment centers see. In addition, this is the type of condition I've seen most often when people say the console died while running.

Again, I am relatively impressed with the results in general, but I don't think they completely cover the true common operating conditions of the console.




RE: While intereting, not 100% best testing
By afkrotch on 8/15/07, Rating: -1
By omnicronx on 8/15/2007 12:41:18 PM , Rating: 2
WTF moron? where the ****, what the ****, who the ****...
None of which make sense, whose the moron now?

A stress test with limited airflow would have been a much bigger blow to the 360 than proving the ps3 can taken harsher conditions, as everyone already knows this. You put a 360 in 100f conditions and you can expect the pcb to warp pretty quickly, but once again this is not new news to anyone. So what the testers were trying to prove i do not know, as even with RROD scandal, it doesn't seem to be helping sony out too much.


By grampaw on 8/15/2007 1:48:43 PM , Rating: 2
I have my PS3 jammed in a "box" on top of a Toshiba A20 HD-DVD player - the A20 just barely fits widthwise and depthwise, the PS3 has no clearance on top, maybe 2" on the left and 3" on the right. I jammed a modified USB laptop cooler in the space to the right of PS3, which is of course connected to the PS3, so it's always sucking air out of the PS3 whenever that unit is on.

I use the PS3 90% of the time for Blu-ray movies (grandkids do game when they visit). I figure I'll never have the A20 and PS3 both on at the same time, and both units are "Chinese tanks" - i.e. heavy duty sheet metal that acts like a heat sink. The A20 doesn't get very hot at all. Toward the end of a Blu-ray movie, however, both the PS3 and the A20 are both quite warm, and there's serious hot air coming out the right side of the PS3.

Guess I'm a moron, however everything been working fine now for 6 months, and I'm not particularly worried ...


Woopie
By mdogs444 on 8/15/2007 9:25:26 AM , Rating: 1
So cool that the PS3 will function in a 120 degree Sauna....but unless you give us some real games to play - does it really matter what temperature the system works in?

I for one, do not plan on sweating my ass off - or freezing my ass off for that matter - to play a crappy video game and risk stressing my overpriced DVD player.




RE: Woopie
By Chaser on 8/15/2007 10:03:36 AM , Rating: 2
For those considering a new console purchase that value reliablity and are actually interested in a PS3 this article is good news and clearly demonstrates the PS3 is reliable beyond the typical operating environment.

Hopefully your basement is cool enough to keep your 360 from becoming a mail-in brick.


RE: Woopie
By mdogs444 on 8/15/2007 10:06:08 AM , Rating: 1
Dont own 360. I game on PC. But i dont have anything against the pS3 either. Just think that it was a useless test. Id be more concerned with the content for the console rather than what its tolerances are.


RE: Woopie
By omnicronx on 8/15/2007 10:17:07 AM , Rating: 2
Speak for yourself, I am Canadian and play my ps3 in my igloo.. </sarcasm>


RE: Woopie
By robinthakur on 8/15/2007 10:28:11 AM , Rating: 2
Ordinarily I would agree with you, but recent and unprecedented events viz a viz Microsoft have proved that actually people don't want to pay £230 (In the UK) for a console X360 which barely lasts months. I honestly hate to think how it copes with Hotter climates than Britain. I own one, and though I rarely use it, whenever I fire it up and it starts a game, I'm struck by how damned noisy it is. Its obviously the fans, dvd drive and pretty lightweight construction (and vibration) to blame, but its still by far the noisiest console I've ever owned. Whilst mine hasn't died yet (its second-hand so it might have been repaired already) I'm loathe to use it too much in case it does. Looks-wise, I quite like the design. The game I play most on it (nearly exclusively at the mo) is the Turtles arcade games :)

The PS3 by comparison is virtually silent and built like a plastic tank. I think Hardware and interfaces-wise, the PS3 is much better designed. I just love the touch sensitive buttons, but I don't like that you can't really place anything on top of it because its curved.

Games wise, I play the PS3 more at the moment, but on both systems, the problem is that there are far too many FPS released. I just can't play them on a joypad, and they become interesting tech demos before I switch them off after 5 mins never to play them again.

I'm off to play Trauma Center on Wii now,

R
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flying colors?
By Screwballl on 8/15/2007 1:20:17 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
the only incident we noticed was a slight burning smell that came in around 64hours at 110F,” read the test report. “The console was extremely hot when we finished the overall test but had come thru all environments with flying colours.”


so a burning smell equates it passing with flying colors.... guess they will say the 360 that crashes constantly at room temperature passes with flying colors as well.

This is why I stopped buying consoles when they went to disc based media: buggy hardware, scratched discs, more heat, more to go wrong. At least on the PC I can make a backup copy of the game for myself and use that since it never leaves my office and I can repair it myself if it breaks.




RE: flying colors?
By Goty on 8/15/2007 2:23:31 PM , Rating: 2
So what if it smells, it still functioned =P


RE: flying colors?
By rdeegvainl on 8/22/2007 9:11:19 AM , Rating: 2
That's not what she said


What Sony Didn't Tell You...
By SRoode on 8/15/2007 9:03:58 AM , Rating: 3
The sauna test was done in the same location as the freezer test. After the PS3 ran for 100 hours, the freezer van hit 100 deg C. ;)




RE: What Sony Didn't Tell You...
By SRoode on 8/15/2007 9:05:46 AM , Rating: 2
Deg F... Not Deg C... Although, maybe?


So?
By peritusONE on 8/15/07, Rating: 0
RE: So?
By OxBow on 8/15/2007 10:04:49 AM , Rating: 2
I think this is pretty fair marketing. First off, Sony didn't do the test, they just reported someone elses results that show favorably on them. Secondly, given all the trouble the RRoD is giving MS, this is just an obvious and fair way to point out the differences between the two systems. If the shoe was on the other foot, you'd expect MS or Nintendo to do the same.

As for games, I don't see that as much of an issue. If you want a bunch of marginally different shooters, the 360 has you covered. Otherwise I haven't seen that much on the 360 that isn't around for the PS3. Some new, good games are coming out for each system, but it seems all MS did with their year advantage was release shooters and ignore their consoles burning out. Not an impressive use of their lead.

I'd also like to see a comparison of how many exclusive games of each genre were out for each system at launch, 6 months and 1 year after launch. I think that if you were to actually look at the such a comparison, you'd see a significant downside to the 360 (unless all you care about is shooters, which is pretty much all the 360 is good for).


RE: So?
By JonnyDough on 8/15/2007 9:14:20 PM , Rating: 1
This test doesn't prove that the PS3 is indestructible. First it sounds as if it's only ONE PS3. You can't do a test with one PS3. Secondly, if they smelled a burning smell, they should have let it run for a lot longer to see if whatever was burning had a long-term effect. If it was some insulator then perhaps the components it was insulating would have eventually overheated and malfunction. Furthermore, they didn't open it to see what had been damaged so we really have no idea if any damage was actually done. Just because I don't change the oil in my car and I drive it 15,000 miles doesn't mean there isn't damage done to my engine. The same works with electronics. Sure, the PS3 might still work after it...but this test does not show how long the cell processor will last after the abuse, it may be damaged and still quite able to function. Only further testing and with many more PS3's could really say what kind of abuse it can take. Is the PS3 less subject to stress than the XBox 360? Probably undoubtedly. But this test while it hints at the PS3's ruggedness, is hardly scientific.


To Sony: A Cookie for you
By Quiksel on 8/15/2007 8:54:09 AM , Rating: 1
RE: To Sony: A Cookie for you
By PlasmaBomb on 8/15/2007 8:56:09 AM , Rating: 2
Awesome :D


Gamers...
By vortmax on 8/15/2007 12:56:17 PM , Rating: 3
"...through triple-digit hours of operation in various adverse conditions that no gamer would endure."

I bet there's a gamer or two in South Korea that'll take on that challenge...




Gamers..
By vortmax on 8/15/2007 12:56:15 PM , Rating: 2
"...through triple-digit hours of operation in various adverse conditions that no gamer would endure."

I bet there's a gamer or two in South Korea that'll take on that challenge...




Solid state caps, anyone?
By Fox5 on 8/15/2007 4:05:26 PM , Rating: 2
I bet a large part of the ps3's durability is due to the solid state capacitors, as well as just the more expensive build quality in general. Still, caps are often one of the first things to fail in electronics, especially under extreme temperatures, and the solid state caps in the ps3 are nearly immune to failure.




Sauna
By Hare on 8/16/2007 3:08:20 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
The final testing area was inside a sauna, where temperatures started at 100 degrees Fahrenheit, and went up to 120 degrees over the last 24 hours.

That's a sauna? 43C° LMAO.

It's not a sauna if it's under 80C° / 176F.




By bltoha on 8/15/2007 1:05:42 PM , Rating: 1
..$ony?




WOW! WHO REALY CARES!LOL
By Pitbulll0669 on 8/15/07, Rating: -1
RE: WOW! WHO REALY CARES!LOL
By Chaser on 8/15/07, Rating: 0
By therealnickdanger on 8/15/2007 9:12:49 AM , Rating: 2
I know I should just ignore your post... but I can't!

MGS4 is not coming to the 360 - at least not until some time after the PS3 version launches. The only hope 360-owning MGS fans have is that they release a Substance-like re-release. It's not likely, but it is possible, anything is. No one thought SEGA would make games for Nintendo 10 years ago.


RE: WOW! WHO REALY CARES!LOL
By chick0n on 8/15/07, Rating: -1
RE: WOW! WHO REALY CARES!LOL
By omnicronx on 8/15/07, Rating: -1
RE: WOW! WHO REALY CARES!LOL
By TimberJon on 8/15/07, Rating: -1
RE: WOW! WHO REALY CARES!LOL
By afkrotch on 8/15/07, Rating: -1
RE: WOW! WHO REALY CARES!LOL
By omnicronx on 8/15/2007 12:43:26 PM , Rating: 2
could he have been talking about emulated games maybe?
before one of the more recent updates, ps2 emulation quality was terrible


RE: WOW! WHO REALY CARES!LOL
By afkrotch on 8/15/2007 12:59:41 PM , Rating: 1
It's possible. My system doesn't do emulation for backwards compatibility. Course, I still have a PS2, so would much rather put less stress on the new system and use the old system until it breaks. Course, it's going on 4 years now and doesn't seem to want to break. It's all good with me.


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