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Pirate Party demonstrators at a rally in Stockholm, Sweden on June 3, 2006.  (Source: Marcus Andersson)
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Citing the state of Utah’s “strong history of political diversity and technological progress,” the Pirate Party of the United States has officially opened its doors for signatures in the state of Utah. The Utah branch, known officially as The Pirate Party of Utah, has until February 2008 to collect the 2000 signatures it needs for official recognition.

Ray Jenson, interim Administrator for the Pirate Party of Utah, says, “This is a big step forward for our party. Utah is a perfect place to start. With the right people, we actually stand a chance at turning around the civil liberties situation.”

In an e-mail correspondence with DailyTech, Jenson revealed that while The Pirate Party of Utah does not wish to be overconfident, at the current rate it expects to meet the minimum signature requirement sometime in mid-November. Note that these estimates represent actual, legally useful signatures -- not site registrations, which number substantially higher. Website registrations cannot be counted officially -- in fact, according to Jenson, the “register” link is only for “forum registration, and has nothing to do with [the] party.”

Aaccording to its web site, the Pirate Party of the U.S. was founded in July 2006, and seeks to change United States laws that govern over copyright, privacy and network neutrality. “The Pirate Party wants to return copyright law to its original purpose: to promote distribution of works as rapidly and widespread as possible,” states one section of on copyright issues; “we wish to rescind the many, mostly harmful, copyright acts that have been passed since the Copyright Act of 1790. In our view, America got it right the first time.”

Despite the name, The Pirate Party does notcondone the stealing of copyrighted works: “We've chosen to adopt the Pirate name so as to pay homage to the creative artists of the past, or as they would now be known, Pirates, thieves, and copyright infringers. We do not support nor condone any unlawful distribution of copyrighted works.”

The Pirate Party of the U.S. is representative of a larger international movement, says spokesman Andrew Norton, and Pirate Parties in various forms exist in Sweden, France, the Netherlands, Germany and others. Originating in Sweden, The Pirate Party or Piratpartiet, has met considerable success since its founding on January 1, 2006. In just 36 hours, Piratpartiet gathered 4,725 signatures, 2,275 over the 2,000 minimum signatures needed to gain official recognition. In the Swedish General Election of 2006, the party captured almost 35,000 votes, making them the 10th largest party out of the 40 parties participating.

Plans are already in the works for the party’s first rally, however the details have not finalized. “We'll issue a press release as the details are finalized,” says Jenson.



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RE: Why is this a Top Story?
By TomZ on 8/15/2007 10:33:11 PM , Rating: -1
Kris is probably a member.

just kidding

"Pirate Party" - what a ridiculous effort.


RE: Why is this a Top Story?
By Hakuryu on 8/15/07, Rating: -1
RE: Why is this a Top Story?
By masher2 (blog) on 8/15/07, Rating: 0
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By RjBass on 8/16/07, Rating: 0
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By xsilver on 8/16/07, Rating: -1
RE: Why is this a Top Story?
By Oregonian2 on 8/16/2007 1:20:44 PM , Rating: 1
This is new? I suspect Beethoven had a lot of contemporaries who made trash with the concert hall owners hoping someone would be a hit.


RE: Why is this a Top Story?
By slacker164 on 8/16/2007 12:29:49 PM , Rating: 4
The laws may not have substantially changed since the 1989 release of Paul’s Boutique, but there have been court rulings that determined artists must pay for samples. For example, this case regarding NWA’s Hundred Miles and Runnin: http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/techpolicy/2004-... An album like Paul’s Boutique would indeed be prohibitively expensive and/or very risky to make now while it was generally assumed back in 1989 that sampling was not a violation of copyright law, which meant artists were not paying to sample back then.


RE: Why is this a Top Story?
By masher2 (blog) on 8/16/2007 1:29:58 PM , Rating: 4
Very true; I stand corrected.


RE: Why is this a Top Story?
By Vanilla Thunder on 8/16/2007 5:56:35 PM , Rating: 2
Not true. All of the music on the masterpiece known as Paul's Boutique was created with uncleared (unpaid for) samples and jacked beats. There is NO WAY this album could be made today. The artists sampled range from Curtis Mayfield, to the Eagles, to the Beatles, and more. Do you have any idea what it would cost to sample a Beatles song? That is if you could even get permission to use it. Also, all of the tracks were done by an unkown (at the time) duo calling themselves The Dust Brothers in a basement. Mike D met these guys and begged for them to let the B Boys use their tracks for their new album. This album is pure genius and so far ahead of it's time, and the general public just overlooked it. The laws might have been the same, but the enforcement of said laws were no where near the level they are now, because in 1988, hip hop was still small money music. One of the first lawsuits that had a huge impact on the sampling scene was when The Turtles sued De La Soul over their sampling on 3 Feet High and Rising. This set the precedent and let musicians everywhere know what was being done and the money they could make. Bottom line. Now, with hip hop being a huge source of cash for record companies, many artists are collecting the residuals they "deserve", and a record company would never invest the amount of money it would cost to get all the clearances for PB. The return could never come close to the cost.

Vanilla "Eggman" Rollo


RE: Why is this a Top Story?
By nilepez on 8/17/2007 1:34:23 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Do you have any idea what it would cost to sample a Beatles song? That is if you could even get permission to use it.


You could never clear it. I think how the sample is used is what really matters. When the sample is the hook, I'm less enthused. Examples of what I don't like include, but are certainly not limited to, Vanilla Ice's giant hit and to a lesser degree, P.M. Dawn's Set Adrift....(which used a very recognizable part of Spandau Ballet's hit, "True").

OTOH, using P.M dawn as an example I liked, their song Downtown Venus uses all kinds of samples, including some Deep Purple (song title now escapes me). If I hadn't read it in the credits, I never would have known it was there.

And I agree with others that note how hard it is to do sampling well. Likewise, the men and women who do lots of scratching, are very talented. I still remember seeing OZO Matli (sp) open for Lenny Kravitz, and their DJ played a kick ass drum solo using to records.

Twas a time I thought scrathcing and all that was crap. I was wrong. I'll never be a big rap fan, but there are plenty of talented people in that genre.


RE: Why is this a Top Story?
By herrdoktor330 on 8/16/2007 12:00:06 AM , Rating: 1
Funny you mention all of that.

Has anyone here seen the documentary "Good Copy, Bad Copy"? It addresses some of the things Hakuryu is talking about... plus it has a piece on the Pirate party in Sweeden.

It's worth a watch. I'm not going to tell you where you can find it though. ;) You are all smart enough to figure that out.


RE: Why is this a Top Story?
By Polynikes on 8/16/2007 12:03:39 AM , Rating: 2
Actually, I'd rather hear more artists making more original music, instead of lamely sampling other peoples' work. ESPECIALLY in the rap/hip-hop segment. They probably borrow the most material from previous works. Why can't they just make up some background music of their own?


RE: Why is this a Top Story?
By FITCamaro on 8/16/07, Rating: -1
RE: Why is this a Top Story?
By retrospooty on 8/16/07, Rating: 0
RE: Why is this a Top Story?
By Schrag4 on 8/16/2007 11:29:51 AM , Rating: 5
Is rap music? Yes, but the rapper 'rapping' is merely a percussionist. There is usually a musical element, but what does the rapper add? In my opinion the rapper is only there to add vulgarity. Nice.

I continually surprise those who know me because I don't know the words to a lot of songs. That's because I'm usually drawn into listening to a song because of the musical elements rather than the story they're trying to tell with the music.

I believe that in most cases (not all), effort put into creating a story for the music takes away from effort put into make the music good. Same goes for music videos. And you guessed it, I like a lot of classical music, which didn't concern itself with how it looked...

...and no, I'm not that old, not even 30 yet...


RE: Why is this a Top Story?
By TomCorelis on 8/16/2007 1:17:48 PM , Rating: 2
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In my opinion the rapper is only there to add vulgarity. Nice.
Sure, if you all you listen to is the top 40 stations. Once you step beyond the cacophony of pimps-n-hos, there's actually a lot of soulful writing and expression that could easily be classified as artistic. Further, to be taken seriously rappers/lyricists usually have to make it through the hip hop underground just to prove their credibility--something that's really not for everyone. You have to be extremely quick-witted to succeed. Seen 8 mile? They aren't just making that stuff up. It's "poetry" for a reason.

The Underground is about so much more than what mainstream top 40 leads to believe, you'll find artists belting out sung choruses to contrast their rapped verses, rappers collaborating with rockers collaborating with flutists collaborating with a turntablist. At one concert I saw a popular latino group whip out and play (well, I might add) a cello, and this was a minute after they whipped out a 10-foot water bong. And have you ever gone through the process cutting up and reengineering a music sample for use as "background"? What about programming your own synth for the basslines? Trust me, at the expert level, it's anything but simple.

I beg to differ with the purists that dismiss it merely on principle. If they spent any more than the five seconds it takes to change the radio station, you'd find there's a lot more depth than what you may be led to believe. Open your mind.


RE: Why is this a Top Story?
By Vanilla Thunder on 8/16/07, Rating: 0
RE: Why is this a Top Story?
By rcc on 8/17/2007 12:32:34 PM , Rating: 1
Ooooo, nice general categorization of someone that disagrees with you on music appreciaton.

Vanilla the attack doggie. Why constructively counter something when you can just attack the poster for his/her opinion. : )


By Vanilla Thunder on 8/20/2007 3:41:52 PM , Rating: 2
Because this is a forum for opinion, and if I want to attack someone that I know regularly posts comments full of racism, I will do so. Thank you for expressing your opinion, now move along.

V


RE: Why is this a Top Story?
By rcc on 8/17/2007 12:27:21 PM , Rating: 2
I saw an article years ago that said the world of music academia had categorized Rap with Gregorian chant. I about fell off my chair. I love dropping that on people that like Rap. It upsets them so. : )


RE: Why is this a Top Story?
By Hakuryu on 8/16/2007 1:38:31 PM , Rating: 1
Many songs today use elements from older works, not only rap. Rhianna the pop singer is famous because she used the "Tainted Love" riffs almost exactly the same as the older song. I highly doubt any new riff she came up with would have made that song as popular.

Completely new music is a good thing, but using samples makes something new also that can be just as good or even better then completely new music.

I'm surprised so many down ratings for anyone that mentions rap. I like the Grateful Dead and System of a Down too... that ought to put me at -1.


RE: Why is this a Top Story?
By kmmatney on 8/16/2007 3:31:52 PM , Rating: 2
Elvis Presley took a lot of old music and substantially changed it to make it more "pop" sounding. Almost all of his famous songs were remakes of older songs, were he often substantiually changed the tune and lyrics.


RE: Why is this a Top Story?
By cenobite9 on 8/18/2007 1:04:43 PM , Rating: 2
I guess Scatterbrain can't release anymore 'Down with the Ship' songs since the entire song is made up of guitar, bass, and drum riffs from everyone else's songs.


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