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AMD plans one last "Windsor" based Athlon 64 X2

AMD refuses to kill off its 90nm Windsor core Athlon 64 X2 processors. The Athlon 64 X2 6000+ is AMD’s fastest dual-core performance processor. The processor launched last February to the tune of 3.0 GHz with a 125-watt TDP.

The model continues to stay on AMD’s roadmap throughout the rest of 2007 and half of 2008. AMD plans a refresher for the Athlon 64 X2 6000+. Instead of moving it to the 65nm Brisbane core like many other Athlon 64 X2 models, including the 5200+, 5000+, 4800+, 4400+, 4000+, 3600+ and BE-series, the refreshed X2 6000+ sticks to the Windsor core.

The refreshed model drops the thermal ratings down to 89-watts. Still, the reduced thermal envelope is still 24-watts higher than the highest-clocked Brisbane – the X2 5200+ at 2.7 GHz. However, the thermals match AMD’s upcoming Phenom X2 GP-6800, a Kuma based model slated for Q1’2008.

Despite the impending launch of the Phenom X2 series, the Athlon 64 X2 6000+ remains the only mainstream AMD dual-core desktop processor with a 3.0 GHz clock frequency. The upcoming Phenom X2 series top out around 2.4-to-2.8 GHz when the GP-6800 launches, according to a recent AMD roadmap. AMD does not have any plans to release a 3.0 GHz Barcelona on its roadmap yet.

Expect AMD to release 89-watt Athlon 64 X2 6000+ processors next quarter.


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What to do?
By MADAOO7 on 7/31/2007 11:20:32 PM , Rating: 1
Interesting article considering I was thinking about purchasing an Athlon 64 X2 6000+ for a new desktop. I don't particularly need to build a new desktop, but my HP 1.5 Centrino laptop and it's 5400RPM hard drive are slowing me down.

So what does all this mean? I want a processor that can rip through rendering video (currently takes me 2.5 hours for 15 minutes!) and just about anything else I throw at it. I also like the $170 price point. So do I wait for the 65nm, or do I wait for the Phenom X2 GP-6800? This 6800 sounds fast (6800>6000), but for how much, how much faster, and realistically how long do I have to wait?

Figure this is definitely the right people to ask this question to. Thanks!

By the way, does anyone recommend a RAID 0? Figure a slow drive might be my current bottleneck.




RE: What to do?
By Spoelie on 8/1/2007 5:53:14 AM , Rating: 2
You either hold out for phenom or get an intel processor at the moment.


RE: What to do?
By Moishe on 8/1/2007 8:05:12 AM , Rating: 2
Personally, I'd buy Raptors before I went to a RAID setup... But if you've got money to throw around then RAIDing Raptors would be a nice HDD setup. IMO RAID is a lot like buying supreme top of the line RAM... it DOES have a performance effect but it's small and the cost is high.

Maybe I'm cheap, but I prefer to get 90% of the way to the top for 50% of the cash. That last 5-10% is always what costs the most and has the smallest overall return.


RE: What to do?
By SlyNine on 8/5/2007 3:29:54 PM , Rating: 2
In games the differences are normally 4% or less unless your talking about video cards. Then its maybe 10% at most between a 8800GTX to 8800Ultra, even less from a 1900XT to 1900XTX when they were released.

I don't really understand the demand for the very highest top of the line stuff. when you can go one very small step down and save 50%.


RE: What to do?
By Silver2k7 on 8/7/2007 2:35:21 AM , Rating: 2
Perhaps there are people out there who play the latest games on ultra high resolutions and actually needs the fastest thats avalible.. If you feel you don't need it then just don't buy it. Also there is people who buy a machin that shall last 2-4 years.. who don't do incremental updates but just purchase a new machine.

[quote]I don't really understand the demand for the very highest top of the line stuff. when you can go one very small step down and save 50%. [/quote]


RE: What to do?
By encryptkeeper on 8/1/2007 9:56:03 AM , Rating: 2
I don't particularly need to build a new desktop, but my HP 1.5 Centrino laptop and it's 5400RPM hard drive are slowing me down...By the way, does anyone recommend a RAID 0? Figure a slow drive might be my current bottleneck.


Well, I'm going to assume you have a desktop already, even though you didn't mention it, and I figure RAID on an HP 1.5 laptop is probably noooooot going to happen.

If you want speed, just remember RAID 0 increases your performance, but with every drive you add, you increase your risk of total data loss. Especially since the data is written into fragments between the 2 (at least) drives, if one goes bad, you will likely lose EVERYTHING. With 2 drives, you double your chances of never seeing your porn, er, files again. What kind of desktop do you have right now?


RE: What to do?
By MADAOO7 on 8/1/2007 12:00:43 PM , Rating: 2
I don't have a desktop at the moment. I am looking to build one in the next few weeks.


RE: What to do?
By encryptkeeper on 8/1/2007 1:51:44 PM , Rating: 2
Build yourself a good machine (that's in your budget of course) without raid to keep your cost low. Any halfway decent board out there now will do Raid 0 or 1. You can always add the raid functionality later on, if you feel you need it. Chances are a 600-700 machine will run circles around your laptop without raid 0.


RE: What to do?
By sdsdv10 on 8/1/2007 10:39:22 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
MADA007 said...
I want a processor that can rip through rendering video


Then I would suggest a Intel Q6600 quad core CPU.
Currently for $280 at ewiz, see link http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?p=Q6600&c=fr&pid=19...

$100 more for two more cores (which can actually be used by video editing software), can be overclocked and motherboards are ~$150. Best bang for the buck in video processing.

As for harddrives, with 2.5hrs or rendering time HDs are not your bottle neck. I can copy a couple of GBs of data from one HD to another in 15-20 minutes. You can do RAID O, but I don't think it will help much. A better option IMO, would be two 7200rpm 500GB drives, installed as two seperate disks. Have one for OS and source files and the other as a destination drive.

My 2 cents.


RE: What to do?
By Moose1309 on 8/1/2007 3:45:39 PM , Rating: 2
I agree with every point here. Stay away from RAID 0 - in my experience it doesn't add much for desktop performance at all. sdsdv10's recommendation would be more reliable, and likely faster than RAID'ing it.

If video rendering is your thing, go with the Intel Q6600 if it's in the budget. Otherwise, the 6000+ is a good option, no big reason to wait for lower-watt version IMO.


RE: What to do?
By Silver2k7 on 8/7/2007 2:44:20 AM , Rating: 2
A few years back I had 2x80 Gb raid 0 wich actually did feel alot faster than the other hdds in that system. But todays harddrives might be faster than that raid was on a single drive.. its also a risk to put the data on a raid 0.. if one disc fail so will the data on both discs.

If you want the fastest avlible just get a SSD just don't expect good value per Gb.


RE: What to do?
By Alexvrb on 8/1/2007 1:46:13 PM , Rating: 2
Your HD is probably not your weakest point. Either way, a single 150GB Raptor should do quite well for you as your main drive, and for mass file storage you could slap in a 500+ GB 7200RPM as your second drive. I can't really recommend RAID 0 if any of the data is remotely important.

The Athlon X2 6000+ is a competent processor, and its cheap enough. But you're still better off waiting for Phenom or buying a C2D right now. Start saving up your chickens and see what happens.


RE: What to do?
By Bigginz on 8/1/2007 3:23:44 PM , Rating: 2
The name GP6800 does not mean it will be faster than an Athlon X2 6000+.

AMD went to a new naming scheme.
G is Premium
P is Power consumption greater than 65 watts
6800 is high end, Phenom dual core

So the GP-6800 will be a high end, dual core Phenom for gamers and other people who want a lot of performance.

I plan on buying the GP-7100. A quad core clocked at 2.4 GHz.


RE: What to do?
By MADAOO7 on 8/2/2007 2:47:03 AM , Rating: 2
First off, thanks for the helpful information. Do you have any idea what kind of price range to expect this new GP-7100?


RE: What to do?
By SlyNine on 8/5/2007 3:40:33 PM , Rating: 2
If your going to play games, Don't go all out on a CPU, the performance will not reflect what you spend. I say go with a high-midrange CPU for about the cost of a 6000+ and the best video card you can afford and 2gigs of ram.

With that said the Q6600 is probably the CPU i would by if I was in the market now. Quad core has alot of potential in the gaming market when future games take advantage. Remember you are getting 2x the power of the other cores out there. With the Xbox 360 able to use 6 threads at one time its very likely game developers will take advantage of any extra cores to great effect.


RE: What to do?
By SlyNine on 8/5/2007 3:42:15 PM , Rating: 2
almost 2x the power of any dual core is what i ment.


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