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Super Talent DDR3 modules with black heat spreaders  (Source: Super Talent)
The overclocking memory battles continue on

A little less than two weeks OCZ Technology released PC3-14400, 1800 MHz, DDR3 memory that was the fastest at the time. This week, Super Talent ups the ante with modules rated at 1866 MHz, 66 MHz higher than OCZ’s official offering. The new Super Talent PC3-14900 modules only arrive in a 2x1GB dual channel kit – the WX1866UX2G8 (PDF).

The new modules support 8-8-8-24 latencies. Super Talent hand tests each pair on Asustek’s P5K3 Deluxe motherboard with 1.9 volts. Each module has the usual black Super Talent heat spreaders.

“This low latency 1866 Kit is the result of exhaustive testing and sorting of components, and this product stands without rival as the fastest DDR3 memory in the world,” said Joe James, Marketing Director, Super Talent. “Our DDR3 strategy is to be first to market with industry standard speed grades - 1333, 1600, and 1866 - and to optimize performance by supporting the lowest possible latencies”

In addition to the WX1866UX2G8 launch announcement, Super Talent revealed a few details of its product roadmap. Super Talent has two more high-speed DDR3 kits planned for later this year. The company plans to increase speeds to 2133 MHz with CL9 latencies later this year. Additionally, Super Talent plans to release a more affordable DDR3 1866 MHz kit with higher CL10 latencies later this year.

Expect the W1866UX2G8 modules to cost around $625 when it hits retail. The modules began shipping this week, so expect retail availability within the next week.

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This is completely worthless
By Flunk on 7/31/2007 2:36:44 PM , Rating: 1
At the moment the only desktop chipset that supports DDR3 is the P35. It maxes out at 333Mhz FSB (Quad-pumped = 1333). Haveing RAM clocked at 933 (DDR = 1866) is a complete waste because you can't possbly utilize all the bandwith.

Since server platforms user either registered or FB DIMMS this product really doesn't make sense.

And no one had better mention overclocking because you will never get that 333mhz bus up to 933 (1:1 memory ratio).




RE: This is completely worthless
By masher2 (blog) on 7/31/2007 2:43:05 PM , Rating: 2
> "RAM clocked at 933 (DDR = 1866) is a complete waste because you can't possbly utilize all the bandwith..."

Its not a complete waste, as benchmarks do show an improvement (albeit slight) with PC3-14400 (DDR3-1800) over slower variants.


RE: This is completely worthless
By Moishe on 7/31/2007 3:32:35 PM , Rating: 2
Albeit slight... :) so maybe if he took the word "complete" out it might be accurate!

DDR3 will be nice... it's just not there yet in terms of benefit and cost.


RE: This is completely worthless
By omnicronx on 7/31/2007 4:20:17 PM , Rating: 2
no the benchmarks show a slight improvement in the chipset not the ram. Using the p35 (which supports both ddr2 and 3) they both receive the same lift of about 15% when at the same clockspeed, and barely any improvement when ddr3 is at a higher clockspeed. keep in mind this test was done with ddr31600 vs ddr2 1333 memory i think but you get the point.

Core duos are very bandwidth efficient unlike their predecessor, and do not necessarily benefit from the higher bandwidth


By masher2 (blog) on 7/31/2007 6:10:26 PM , Rating: 3
> "no the benchmarks show a slight improvement in the chipset not the ram"

This benchmark clearly shows a DDR3-1800 doing 122 fps on Far Cry, whereas the exact same system using DDR3-1333 averaged 112 fps. Unless I'm reading the charts wrong, that's a RAM difference, not a chipset one.

http://www.anandtech.com/memory/showdoc.aspx?i=305...


By Anonymous Freak on 7/31/2007 6:43:16 PM , Rating: 3
The 333 bus doesn't need to hit 933 to get a 1:1 memory ratio. It needs to hit 466. 466 quad pumped is 1866, same as this RAM's 933 doubled. I've seen motherboards that could hit a 500 MHz (2000 equivalent) front side bus, so this RAM would do well for overclockers.

Although you could use the claim that since memory is generally dual channel, memory only needs to be half as fast as the front side bus. Therefore dual channel 333/667 MHz memory would be just fine for a 333/1333 front side bus; and even with overclocking, 500/1000 MHz RAM reaches the same bandwidth as a 500/2000 front side bus.

But then my reply to that is that other devices, such as video cards, can access the main memory, too, so the faster, the better.

Although at over $600 for 2 GB of RAM, that's ridiculous.


RE: This is completely worthless
By psyph3r on 7/31/2007 8:20:02 PM , Rating: 2
will this not benefit AMD systems a lot more than Intel because memory bandwidth etc isn't Dependant on the FSB, but is instead Dependant on HT? also memory timings affect AMD systems a lot more because of the on die memory controller.

I think Intel is also going to a similar memory controller (based off their new pci-e on die controller) next year that will enable Intel to finally get off the FSB(which is why Intel has had to increase their FSB so much over AMD's). Intel may be hitting a wall, but AMD still has head room for increased memory performance. I may be wrong, but that is my perception.


RE: This is completely worthless
By erikejw on 7/31/2007 9:49:31 PM , Rating: 2
Fron tech review:
Value buyers will never understand this, but for some enthusiasts the only thing that matters is having the best that is available.

On the other hand, if you already own the top video card and the top-performing CPU then DDR3-2000 memory will look like the next "must-have" product to squeeze another 8% or so performance out of your top-line build.

That is in gaming. Some apps benefits less and some much more. That is also against prime DDR2 so add another 7-8% performance if you have value RAM.


By therealnickdanger on 8/16/2007 1:04:02 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, I was impressed that these chips could exceed the 2GHz barrier - very cool! It will probably only be one more quarter before we see a jump to speeds over 2GHz with even lower timings... and hopefully much lower pricing.


So confusing
By DLeRium on 7/31/2007 1:50:29 PM , Rating: 1
People are releasing left and right it's so confusing now. What's worse is the mass # of frequency changes and bandwidth numbers.

I still live in the world of DDR-400. It was 400, 500 or 600. People then avoided to use all the PC-6400 crap and what not. Now you have even bigger numbers in the 5 digits and your frequencies are topping the 4 digit mark where it's about to reach the DDR1 bandwidth numbers. I still remember PC1600, 2100, 2700. Now we have DDR-1800, and going to 2000?

Anyways, are these the Micron chips that are the same chips as OCZ's? I thought these are the same as SuperTalent's older modules that just got topped by OCZ's? So why are these new modules getting higher ratings? Newer heatspreaders? New batch of chips?




RE: So confusing
By mdogs444 on 7/31/2007 2:11:16 PM , Rating: 2
Becuase they are using 8-8-8 timings, and i believe OCZ was using 7-x-x timings, no?


RE: So confusing
By AstroCreep on 7/31/2007 2:20:13 PM , Rating: 2
No; 8-8-8-27
http://anandtech.com/memory/showdoc.aspx?i=3053

quote:
...One of the more interesting of the announcements is OCZ DDR3-1800, rated at 8-8-8 timings at DDR3-1800, which is the fastest production DDR3 kit currently available...


RE: So confusing
By MaK2000 on 8/1/2007 9:36:03 AM , Rating: 2
They are both Micron Z9 chips.The previos 1066 and 1333 chips were Micron D9s. Micron launched the new Zs and they went to the cleaners with them. All of the Z9 modules are easily OCing to over 2Ghz


ha
By Moishe on 7/31/07, Rating: 0
RE: ha
By Polynikes on 7/31/2007 2:58:14 PM , Rating: 2
You gotta admit, though, that the speeds have increased fast. DDR3 debuted not too long ago, and at significantly lower speeds. I think it was DDR-1066 they started at, right?

How long did it take DDR2 to go from DDR-667 to DDR-1111? Years.


RE: ha
By Moishe on 7/31/2007 3:29:58 PM , Rating: 1
There is no doubt they're going up.... But they're not at a point where it makes DDR3 "must have" . This sort of announcement is purely publicity designed to put forth their name and trump the last guys who did the same PR move.

Big yawn, wake me up when there is no more reason to buy DDR2.


RE: ha
By omnicronx on 7/31/2007 4:01:33 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
Big yawn, wake me up when there is no more reason to buy DDR2.


the day it came out!! LONG LIVE DDR!!!


1.9v!
By porkpie on 7/31/2007 2:15:51 PM , Rating: 2
These puppies are going to use more than 60% more juice than your standard DDR3 chips. That eliminates one of the major benefits of DD3, reduced power consumption.




RE: 1.9v!
By KingstonU on 7/31/2007 2:34:23 PM , Rating: 2
But do high performance DDR2 kits use equally more power compared to regular DDR2 kits? same for DDR1?

Though I'm not arguing you point. Lower power consumption is a great objective to continuously try to improve efficiency.


RE: 1.9v!
By porkpie on 8/1/2007 5:48:03 PM , Rating: 2
You're absolutely right. I'm just saying that these chips might be ok for some people, but not for me.


DDR3
By UBB on 7/31/2007 1:54:56 PM , Rating: 4
1:2 ratio here I come.




just me?
By omnicronx on 7/31/2007 3:17:13 PM , Rating: 2
Is it just me, or does anyone else notice that ddr3 is already out of spec before it has even become mainstream. whats the point of this when motherboard manufacturers wont technically be able to support higher than 1800mhz? Why not just change the spec now before this gets out of control?




RE: just me?
By nerdye on 7/31/2007 10:49:35 PM , Rating: 2
Good Point, I have been wondering the same thing. Ddr1 ram had a small amount of dims faster than spec come out after it maxed out at ddr3200 , ddr2 has just recently had some awsome over spec speed dims come out (over ddr2 800) like corsair dominator and crucial and ect, that this is after even the old netburst has been using ddr2 for years now. Ddr3 is already out of spec, this does make me want the spec to be changed now, but it makes me crave much higher FSB core2 duo's or barcelona's (wll with hypertransport 3.0) to take advantage of the great showing ddr3 is putting on, I just love the speed competition of ram companies in the ddr3 memory space now, its the most exciting competition tell barcelona is revealed officially!!!


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