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AMD "Barcelona" die shot  (Source: AMD)
AMD's next-generation launch date is still set for "summer 2007"

AMD is set to debut its third-generation Opteron server processor architecture later this quarter. The company publically announced its upcoming launch next month, but the company's latest processor guidance, released just this week, states otherwise. 

According to partners close to AMD, sampling for Barcelona processors will hit top tier system builders this week. One engineer speaking on conditions of anonymity claims, "We're finally getting close to a launch here, but [AMD] still hasn't finalized the date."

The August 27 launch date originally featured on the last Barcelona roadmap, issued less than a month ago, has since dissapeared.

AMD plans to offer initial quad-core Opterons at core frequencies below 2.0 GHz. The company will launch eight quad-core processors under the Opteron 8000 and 2000 series umbrellas. Standard and high-efficiency (HE) models are ready for launch later this quarter.

Quad-core Opteron 8000 Series Launch
Model
Core
Frequency
L2 Cache
L3 Cache
TDP
83502.0 GHz 4x512KB2MB
95W
83481.9 GHz4x512KB2MB
95W
8348 HE
1.9 GHz 4x512KB2MB
68W

AMD has three quad-core Opteron 8000 series models in two speed grades for launch – the 8350, 8348 and 8348 HE. The processors will ship with 2.0 GHz and 1.9 GHz clock frequencies, respectively.

Quad-core Opteron 2000 Series Launch
Model
Core
Frequency
L2 Cache
L3 Cache
TDP
23502.0 GHz 4x512KB2MB
95W
23481.9 GHz4x512KB2MB
95W
2348 HE
1.9 GHz 4x512KB2MB
68W
2346 HE
1.8 GHz
4x512KB
2MB
68W
2344 HE
1.7 GHz
4x512KB
2MB
68W

Quad-core Opteron 2000-series will have a similar launch schedule with the 2348, 2350 and 2348 HE. These models are identical to the Opteron 8000 series, except the chips can only operate in two-socket systems. The quad-core Opteron 2000 series also gains two lower speed variants – the 2346 HE and 2344 HE. The quad-core Opteron 2346 HE and 2344 HE feature 1.8 GHz and 1.7 GHz clock speeds, respectively. This concludes the quad-core launch lineup for the quarter.

AMD plans to launch the initial batch of quad-core Opterons this quarter. However, customers will not receive initial DVT samples until next month and actual production for customer order fulfillment does not begin until September. AMD still does not have an exact launch date set, but the AMD roadmap states a summer 2007 launch and autumn begins on September 23.

Quad-core Opteron 8000 Series Q4'2007
Model
Core
Frequency
L2 Cache
L3 Cache
TDP
8360 SE
2.5 GHz 4x512KB2MB
120W
8358 SE
2.4 GHz4x512KB2MB
120W
8356
2.3 GHz 4x512KB2MB
95W
8354
2.2 GHz
4x512KB
2MB
95W
8350 HE
2.0 GHz
4x512KB
2MB
68W

Quad-core Opteron 2000 Series Q4'2007
Model
Core
Frequency
L2 Cache
L3 Cache
TDP
2360 SE
2.5 GHz 4x512KB2MB
120W
2358 SE
2.4 GHz4x512KB2MB
120W
2356
2.3 GHz 4x512KB2MB
95W
2354
2.2 GHz
4x512KB
2MB
95W
2352
2.1 GHz
4x512KB
2MB
95W
2350 HE
2.0 GHz
4x512KB
2MB
68W

AMD will ramp up clock speeds of quad-core Opteron 8000 and 2000 series in Q4’2007, with the first quad-core SE models entering production. Eleven quad-core models with clock speeds excess of 2.0 GHz will enter production in Q4’2007 with an undetermined launch date. The new models will top out with a 2.5 GHz clock-speed. AMD promises DVT samples of the new models in early Q4’2007.

Quad-core Opteron 8000 Series Q2'2008
Model
Core
Frequency
L2 Cache
L3 Cache
TDP
8362 SE
2.6 GHz 4x512KB2MB
120W
8358
2.4 GHz4x512KB2MB
95W

Quad-core Opteron 2000 Series Q2'2008
Model
Core
Frequency
L2 Cache
L3 Cache
TDP
2362 SE
2.6 GHz 4x512KB2MB
120W
2358
2.4 GHz4x512KB2MB
95W

Quad-core Opterons will have a 2.5 GHz clock speed cap until Q2’2008 when the first 2.6 GHz 8362 SE and 2362 SE models enter production. AMD has not set DVT availability or launch dates of the 2.6 GHz models yet.

Quad-core Opteron 1000 Series
Model
Core
Frequency
L2 Cache
L3 Cache
TDP
1360 SE
2.5 GHz 4x512KB2MB
120W
1358 SE
2.4 GHz4x512KB2MB
120W
1356
2.3 GHz 4x512KB2MB
95W
1354
2.2 GHz
4x512KB
2MB
95W
1352
2.1 GHz
4x512KB
2MB
95W

AMD also has five quad-core Opteron 1000 series models in the pipeline. These models are only available in speed grades above 2.0 GHz. AMD has three models ready for production in November – the 1356, 1354 and 1352. DVT samples of theses processors are available next month. Higher-clocked 1360 SE and 1358 SE models will enter production in December, with DVT samples available in October.

Expect AMD to launch the first set of Barcelona-based quad-core Opteron 8000 and 2000 series processors later this summer.


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RE: News out of AMD
By ChronoReverse on 7/25/2007 8:41:17 PM , Rating: 5
The delays have really hurt AMD. Right now the Q6600's are selling like hotcakes and even I jumped on that bandwagon (stress testing a 3.3GHz overclock right now).

Hopefully the desktop version of K10 will be competitive.


RE: News out of AMD
By Hippiekiller on 7/25/07, Rating: -1
RE: News out of AMD
By Martimus on 7/25/2007 9:11:40 PM , Rating: 2
Overclocking killed one of my CPU's too. Well, it didn't kill it, but I had to drop the voltage and clock speeds down to below the original speed and voltage after about 1 1/2 years or so. I haven't overclocked a computer since. Of course, now I understand why it did that, after getting a job stress testing circuit components for automobiles. The silicon may run fine at a certain voltage and temperature, but it will slowly change over time. It is rated at that voltage and temperature for a reason, because it can sustain that state for its life expectancy.


RE: News out of AMD
By Operandi on 7/25/2007 11:32:13 PM , Rating: 5
Not likely.

What's probably happening here is a motherboard component slowly degrading over time and thus not supply the clean stable power to your CPU it once did.


RE: News out of AMD
By michael2k on 7/26/2007 12:22:57 AM , Rating: 2
I think he's talking about electromigration, and it is possible.

If you think of electrons as water and silicon atoms like rocks, overclocking pushes up the voltage and current, essentially making the electrons move faster and eroding the silicon it's traveling in.


RE: News out of AMD
By InsaneGain on 7/26/2007 3:28:58 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah , I think the water pressure carrying bits of sand that are wearing down rocks in a river is a pretty good analogy for electromigration. Uhhh except assume that when the rocks in a section completely break down then the water can't flow anymore. Maybe water pressure in a pipe carrying abrasive sand that eat away at the pipe is a better comparison. Momentum transfer from the energized electrons damages the conductors, and higher voltage is like higher water pressure. The smaller the interconnects are, the less matter there is to be eroded until failure.


RE: News out of AMD
By Martimus on 7/31/2007 3:23:55 PM , Rating: 2
Which is another example of exactly what I was talking about, just with a different component.


RE: News out of AMD
By P4blo on 8/7/2007 10:50:12 AM , Rating: 2
I've clocked every chip I've ever had and I've found they *do* tail off a bit, generally after the first few months.


RE: News out of AMD
By TomZ on 7/26/2007 12:06:40 AM , Rating: 2
I agree with Operandi, your conclusion is probably wrong.

More likely cause: your thermal transfer of CPU-to-ambient became less efficient. Aging thermal compound, dust on the HSF, etc. Take that apart, clean it thoroughly, re-apply thermal compound, and you'll probably be back in business. I've seen it myself many times.

Second most likely cause: capacitor aging - electrolytic capacitors do lose some some capacitance with time, which could affect your power supply stability, but I doubt that's the case.


RE: News out of AMD
By verndewd on 7/26/2007 12:56:43 AM , Rating: 2
Electromigration happens to anything that carries current and does so by means of a metal path for said current, and it is a constant. It happens weter you loke it or not. Overclocking increases the current density which is the major accelerant to electromigration, Heat simply magnifies what current density does.

Now if he oc'd well on one mobo and not another it could be the mobo or it could be EM, or it could be EOL damage or many other issues that are derived from high current density.

I would want to suspect the mobo as you guys do, But there is always the chance he could have EM or a weakened dielectric layer(EOL) which would cause alot more heat at stock Voltage.

Em is a constant, putting cold to it doesnt even stop it, it just slows it down.After a year and a half its good to think about a new PSU if you OC as well, that would have been my first test for the system in question.


RE: News out of AMD
By Viditor on 7/25/07, Rating: -1
RE: News out of AMD
By Questar on 7/25/2007 9:40:57 PM , Rating: 4
Funny, I see nothing about performace in that quote.

Perhaps you were referring to some technical advantage described by a blogger as being a demonstarted performance advantage?


RE: News out of AMD
By Viditor on 7/25/07, Rating: 0
RE: News out of AMD
By verndewd on 7/26/2007 1:00:36 AM , Rating: 2
There are no perf numbers to date that shine a kind light on it; The expected benches were removed at the AMD site at the behest of George Ou.


RE: News out of AMD
By trivik12 on 7/26/2007 7:48:46 AM , Rating: 2
He is talking about "inferior technology" of tigerton with FSB and no IMC.He also mentioned than tigerton was "speedy". So I dunno how u can spin that it wont match barcelona without any benchmarks.

The differences in CPU design are significant. Where Intel basically bolts two dual-cores together to make a quad-core, AMD is placing all four cores on a single chip, in all its HyperTransport and NUMA glory. I've found the Operton to be the better choice for lots of workloads, especially RAM-intensive applications, and found Intel's new Xeons to be speedy, but challenged in key areas, such as bus performance and memory access.


RE: News out of AMD
By ScythedBlade on 7/26/2007 8:22:56 AM , Rating: 2
As with the other poster, he spins on the technology of bus speed and memory ... but with Anandtech's reviews, we saw that a 1333 Mhz compared to a 1066 Mhz Bus doesn't affect stuff for Intel too much, as Intel's gone more efficient. The blogger should actually be less biased and know what he's talking about.


RE: News out of AMD
By bim27142 on 7/25/2007 9:18:56 PM , Rating: 2
... just upgraded to an Opteron 165 from my good old A64 3200+ Venice... well, yeah both are "old tech" but just can't afford to throw away my 939 rig now for a total overhaul (AM2 or C2D)...

at least i'm on the dual core bandwagon now?! :)


RE: News out of AMD
By Spoelie on 7/26/2007 8:11:39 AM , Rating: 2
With a good stepping you can get it to 2.6-2.8ghz without much trouble at default voltage. With the 1mb per core that should be able to compete quite well with core² cpus in the 1.86-2.33ghz range.


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