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Nigerian children get caught up on the Internets with porn

One of the aims of the One Laptop per Child (OLPC) project is to give the underprivileged new opportunities and experiences they otherwise wouldn’t have. Interestingly enough, some school children are using their laptops to browse pornographic Internet sites.

According to a Reuters report, a reporter at the official News Agency of Nigeria discovered pornographic images on the donated laptops from a U.S. aid organization. It is unclear whether or not school children were actually caught in the act of browsing such websites.

"Efforts to promote learning with laptops in a primary school in Abuja have gone awry as the pupils freely browse adult sites with explicit sexual materials," reported the News Agency of Nigeria.

Perhaps in response to the discovery of the OLPC’s side features, a representative for the laptop project said that the computers will now be fitted with filtering software.



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RE: In a country where Aids runs rampant
By TomZ on 7/23/2007 9:24:44 AM , Rating: 5
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Now your giving internet access to people who have desire to blow shit up

I don't see why children in developing countries would want to blow stuff up, let alone want to kill people, any more than those in developed countries. It's not like kids making bombs is a real significant problem in the developed world where kids have ready access to the Internet.


RE: In a country where Aids runs rampant
By mdogs444 on 7/23/2007 9:34:51 AM , Rating: 5
I see where you both are coming from. In one sense, getting computers, internet, and modern day technology into the hands of these 3rd world countries is a good thing to help them prosper. However, some of the african places have been in civil wars for a long time, and probably will not be ending soon. So could giving them increased technology be considered a good thing, or just another weapon to use for bomb making & communications. I dont know, but i guess giving an 8 yr old a computer cannot be worse than giving them an automatic weapon right?


RE: In a country where Aids runs rampant
By Xavian on 7/23/2007 9:53:07 AM , Rating: 2
I'm always a believer that if you give any people on the planet enough Information that their society will eventually develop itself.

With most 3rd world countries drowning in Ignorance because of the lack of technology, so pointless wars caused by power-hungry warlords will continue to go unchecked by the populous by and large.

If people in general don't know there's something OTHER than war, warlords, pointless fighting and being displaced from their homes, then the pointless bloodshed will continue.

Sure there's a chance that 0.001% of people in 3rd world countries might want to blow stuff up and this will give them the information to do it, but the benefits of a massive surge of information (via the Internet) to these 3rd world countries far outweigh the downsides.


By copiedright on 7/23/2007 10:05:22 PM , Rating: 2
That is exactly right!

Many of the missionaries going over to third world areas are used to inform people of some basic things we all know, such as keeping sanitation away from the water supply.

Many still believe that the way to cure AIDS is to have s_x with a virgin!

As for the weapons argument, they already have imported weapons and explosives, additional information wont do much because they have no infrastructure to develop weapons.

So lets give them basic information access. In a way we are following the wise old saying: "Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day. But teach a man to fish and he eats for the rest of his life"

Remember Charity is not a long term solution. Education and teaching of self reliance is!


RE: In a country where Aids runs rampant
By xsilver on 7/23/07, Rating: -1
RE: In a country where Aids runs rampant
By Exodus220 on 7/23/07, Rating: 0
RE: In a country where Aids runs rampant
By FITCamaro on 7/23/07, Rating: -1
By TomZ on 7/23/2007 11:25:33 AM , Rating: 1
That's a pretty callous attitude. Just because the leaders in that region of the world are not doing a good job, the problems there are very hard to solve. Even the US, with all its "wisdom" and "power," hasn't been able to crack that nut yet.

And I have to believe that the people that live in the middle East are just like us and just like others around the world, they want to live in peace, raise their families, have jobs, etc. Suggesting they just all nuke each other is a pretty inhumane comment.


RE: In a country where Aids runs rampant
By omnicronx on 7/23/2007 11:57:57 AM , Rating: 1
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I don't think there's been peace in that region of the world for the past several decades if not centuries.


Ya because it was under British rule, and before than ottoman empire. Then they withdrew leaving whoever wanted to be in power to achieve that.


RE: In a country where Aids runs rampant
By Ringold on 7/23/2007 1:53:32 PM , Rating: 3
Keep going further back. They were left to their own devices at times, and were in chaos. The times the region was peaceful was after General Muhammed ripped off the Jews and crafted a religion perfectly suited for mass conquest -- and got all the way in to mainland Europe before the only French man ever to live stopped them cold. That's not an exaggeration or propaganda -- pick up a history book, any history book.

I heard someone say a couple years ago that the world will continue to have grevious problems with Islam until the equivalent of a Martin Luther nails a moderate viewpoint to a mosque door, the religion fractures (again), and the Islamic Reformation runs its course. That took hundreds of years in Europe; we can only hope modern technology accelerates it to just a couple generations for them.


RE: In a country where Aids runs rampant
By bubbacub616 on 7/23/2007 3:42:27 PM , Rating: 2
I would go even further back. Human civilization first developed in the fertile crescent (egypt/israel/jordan/iraq). The development of crops and resultant biodiversity from the amalgamation of european african and asian ecologies has been mirrored more recently over the last 2-3000 years with this area being a crossroads or front were peoples and cultures collide. It is thus unsurprising that the area has been a bloody warzone for most of this time. Its tempting (especially with 9/11 rose tinted glasses) to blame Islam for all of our woes but I don't think this is necessarily the case here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fertile_crescent


By Ringold on 7/23/2007 5:42:05 PM , Rating: 2
Difference is, those that left the area and developed elsewhere have, for the most part, lead a peaceful prosperous existence with a recent historical focus on individual freedom, liberty, etc. I won't blame any of the problems of the 1900s on Islam really (well, they did start their campaign against us then, we simply didnt notice), but since 2001? Definitely; and probably for the rest of this century.


By nah on 7/25/2007 11:53:42 AM , Rating: 2
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General Muhammed ripped off the Jews and crafted a religion perfectly suited for mass conquest


exactly how did he rip of the Jews--and as for crafting a religion for mass conquest---who ultimately ended up controlling most of the world by 1900--the Europeans

this hatred of Islam and Muhammad goes back to the middle ages when mothers would frighten children by using Muhammad as a bogeyman

for a balanced view of Muhammad--read the bio by Karen Armstrong an Oxford Scholar and articles by Wilfred Cantwell Smith of Harvard


By Ryanman on 7/25/2007 2:50:22 PM , Rating: 1
The obvious conclusion is those with religeous fervor are more likely to kill and be killed. You can't honestly say that they're killing each other for any other reason, or at least using religeon as a justification. In Iraq, we kill a bunch of insurgents a day. They kill each other so much more than we could ever possibly do, it's a neat little system that has only the flaw of killing civillians.

Natural Selection FTW.


RE: In a country where Aids runs rampant
By Oregonian2 on 7/23/2007 1:45:34 PM , Rating: 2
I think historically, those who are hated are manipulated into that hate by local politicians (or equivalent, dictator, etc) into making a scapegoat for problems people have. A cause of problems other than "them". Focus of that hate toward that outside power (or "other race" as it is sometimes) provides power to those who create the fiction. This technique has been used in history a LOT, and probably because it works well. Even mild versions of the same technique is used by all parties in domestic American politics. This also is why it's hard to impossible to fight by the outside "hate-ee", they're targeted by the local powers at large (political, religious, or economic) and those have a MUCH stronger control of their people's minds. It's, in effect, an marketing battle, not a battle of truth and justice or actual deeds.


By xsilver on 7/24/2007 4:33:17 AM , Rating: 2
exactly - it is a bit of a marketing battle and an issue of trust.
tomz said it well above where you would like to think that people in iraq or whatever are just like you and me but a lot of western people fail to realize this.

the -1 rating of my post above only shows me how conservative people are.
I'M FOR GIVING THE 3rd WORLD COUNTRIES A CHANCE - Im just laughing at how western media is considering something like this news - Its their bloody laptop, they can do what they want with it. JEEZ.

NEWSFLASH - there is something called pr0n in the internet, are the 3rd world denied access?


RE: In a country where Aids runs rampant
By Master Kenobi (blog) on 7/23/07, Rating: 0
RE: In a country where Aids runs rampant
By Misty Dingos on 7/23/2007 1:21:46 PM , Rating: 1
That is a pretty grim view of life in general there Master K. I question whether you have seen a sunny day or heard a bird singing lately. If not I suggest you eat lunch out of doors for a week or so. Weather permitting of course.

Having spent some time in third world countries I have a view point that the vast majority of people in any country just want to get along with life and be within reason happy.

The infinitesimal numbers of these OLPCs that end up being used by people that are bent to do evil will not invalidate the program. The ones truly desiring to do harm to others will find the money to access the internet anyway they choose. I don’t think the OLPC is going to be the terrorists go to internet connection.

Another thing, simply because you did not benefit from the use of a laptop in the class room (in a first world nation with an enormous and hopefully effective educational system) does not mean that these children in there situation will not. Showing these kids what is available in information through the internet may radically change their lives. While yours saturated from birth in an information drenched world was much less likely to be influenced by a laptop for your use at school.


RE: In a country where Aids runs rampant
By MoonSword on 7/23/2007 2:26:40 PM , Rating: 5
Grim view, maybe. Realistic is more likely. Fact is that OLPC is a tool, but like any tool, it needs to be used properly to be productive. All tools, even those with great potential, do nothing on their own. Hence, probably what Mr. K experienced in grade school. And any tool, even those with great potential, when misused can cause great harm. Hence, the concerns for violence.

I think that the OLPC is a great idea, but you can't just dump computers into a classroom that has never seen technology before and expect children to become educated. The educators in the classroom are likely to be just as perplexed by the technology as the kids they are teaching.

But Mr. K's suggestion to teach agriculture and equipment repair... now that's an idea. These skills will build a community infrastructure, a much needed infrastructure to improve quality of life. The computers can come after running water and electricity is available in every home, after there is enough food to feed the whole community, and after roads are built for travel and trade.

I like the OLPC concept. I want to see it succeed, but to be realistic, 3rd world countries aren't yet ready. As it stands right now, OLPC is putting the carriage before the horse and that (at least it seems to me) is why Mr. K. is critical of the idea.


By Master Kenobi (blog) on 7/23/2007 3:08:38 PM , Rating: 2
You pretty much nailed it.


RE: In a country where Aids runs rampant
By rcc on 7/23/2007 6:27:56 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
But Mr. K's suggestion to teach agriculture and equipment repair... now that's an idea. These skills will build a community infrastructure, a much needed infrastructure to improve quality of life.


I agree, it's a place to start. But I can't help remembering back in the 60s and 70s, the uproar from the 3rd world nations when it was suggested in the US that we ship them farm equipment and knowledge rather than just food.

Now that was primarily the "warlord" elements hollering, because that would take power from their hands, but it's still an issue.

On a separate topic, given the main domestic output of Nigeria appears to be letters and emails trying to con people out of money, shipping their kids notebooks just strikes me as adding fuel to the fire and a providing training aids. If you haven't seen the 60 minutes piece on it, it's worth looking for.


By Ryanman on 7/25/2007 3:14:20 PM , Rating: 1
I Don't understand why we're giving laptops to kids that, I'm sorry to say, ARE gonna be soldiers or dead pretty soon. Why not open the net to farmers and adult workers who have already proved they can survive and who form the backbone of the african food supply.


By wordsworm on 7/25/2007 3:15:27 AM , Rating: 2
Education has the ability to give these children the chance at studying in ways that has been denied to them before. If some choose to educate themselves to become better warriors, then so be it. If others choose to learn about sex, I think that's good too. To each their own, and in nowise do I feel threatened by that. Teens doing research about sex is not a bad thing, pornography is not evil. Not all teens will choose these two things. Some might choose agricultural knowledge, it's hard to say. May those children follow their natural inclination regardless of its direction.

I think it would be quite useful for kids to send an IM that their house had just been raided, some perhaps raped, others killed. It's hard to see how this kind of technology will change the culture. In any case, education gives people power. If more people have power in the region, perhaps the balance of power will shift to that of the people rather than the few.

quote:
Laptops in a third world country in classrooms will not have any success, its just a waste of time, money, and resources.


Perhaps you figure the same about books, pencils, and the like. Education has no value in the hands of third world inhabitants. Well, my opinion is polar to yours. I think this project could be the greatest step to bringing global equality to the region. I believe in education, and this is the greatest tool that these kids have ever had access to.


RE: In a country where Aids runs rampant
By TimberJon on 7/23/07, Rating: -1
RE: In a country where Aids runs rampant
By Exodus220 on 7/23/2007 1:46:41 PM , Rating: 5
Are you an idiot? This is the stupidest and one of the most racist things I have heard. My word, take your narrow-minded head out of your butt.


By kmmatney on 7/23/2007 5:16:33 PM , Rating: 2
Although his post was a bit over the top, remember that Palestine had a kids cartoon show with a character that looked like mickey mouse, and they martyred the mouse

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6257594.stm

The mouse was beaten to death by an "Israeli Agent" in the cartoon.


By Ryanman on 7/25/2007 3:27:45 PM , Rating: 1
yeah it's "racist" because unfortunately it's true.
You know that 10% of muslims living in the UK think it's necessary to kill infidels to further their religeon? And these are the people that owe the UK a lot for taking them in when they had nothing. The fact is, these people have been brainwashed by their religeon, or at least the leaders of these religeons, to think that killing those that don't believe the same as them is good for them.


RE: In a country where Aids runs rampant
By TomZ on 7/23/2007 2:05:20 PM , Rating: 3
I agree with Exodus220 - that's a lot of hate for one posting - and a lot of sweeping, broad generalizations. The extremests that engage in the views that you express are just a very small fraction of the nations involved. Although the US's recent complete and total lack of anything close to competence in foreign policy over the past 5-10 years is really helping to grow the hatred that you describe.


RE: In a country where Aids runs rampant
By therealnickdanger on 7/23/07, Rating: 0
RE: In a country where Aids runs rampant
By TomZ on 7/23/2007 4:00:31 PM , Rating: 2
There is a cultural hatred that exists, and I agree with you that it does not exist due to, nor can it be eliminated by, US foreign policy in the region. But the ability of that radical element to influence otherwise reasonable citizens to join their cause, is certainly something that US foreign policy can, and has had, an effect on.

The Bush Adminstration has made two serious mistakes, in my opinion, in this region:

1. Practically no diplomatic engagement in the region (except for its unconditional support for Israel, regardless of their actions), and has taken a hard line to explicitly avoid discussion with regional powers who have different views than us (e.g., Syria and Iran).

2. Pro-active military action in the region, towards the goal of protecting American interests, seemingly without any longer-term plan that takes into account the needs of the Iraqi or American citizens, i.e., the primary stakeholders in this situation.

Because of these mistakes, US foreign policy has played into the hands of the radicals, by helping to create millions of unemployed in Iraq and elsewhere without much hope of a visible future. In these hearts and minds are fertile opportunities for recruitment by the radical elements.


RE: In a country where Aids runs rampant
By FITCamaro on 7/23/07, Rating: -1
By TomZ on 7/23/2007 5:03:03 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Maybe there's millions unemployed in Iraq because Iraqi's are blowing the fucking country up. Nah that couldn't be it.

Uh, no, there are millions unemployed because we removed/destroyed their economy, their government, their infrastructure, etc. We did that - you and I - with our tax dollars. Cope with it.
quote:
And what do you mean no diplomacy?

The Bush Administration has never had any serious peace talks with regional leaders in the Mideast - never in the entire 7 years he's been in office.

Bringing the might of the US military down onto a country, smashing everything to small bits, and then telling them to pursue peace and democracy is a stupid plan, it is not diplomacy, and it is not effective. Diplomacy and peace happens in meeting rooms between leaders, not by military action.

I'm not saying we're doing nothing good in the world - don't paint me with that anti-American whitewash - I'm just saying that American diplomacy in the Mideast is ineffective at best, and counterproductive at worst.


By wordsworm on 7/25/2007 3:26:41 AM , Rating: 2
So, you object to giving something back to Iraq after destroying its infrastructure so that it could not resist its oil being taken? Well, I guess that's optimistic at best. As you said, most of the money is going to arm terrorist groups. After all, for as long as there's little to no stability in the region, any government in place won't be able to focus on taking control over its own resources.


By Pythias on 7/26/2007 1:19:29 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
.. complete and total lack of anything close to competence in foreign policy over the past 5-10 years is really helping to grow the hatred that you describe.


That why they bombed the WTC 1993?


By feraltoad on 7/24/2007 4:34:47 AM , Rating: 2
I remember hearing on the radio of how a group of kids got arrested for constructing, from plans they got from the net, and firing a POTATO CANNON!!! Apparently some countries draw a hard line on wasting wasting food.


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