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Hewlett-Packard continues to gain market share over Dell in the global market; worldwide PC shipments rise 12%

Growing demand in Asia and continued strength in the U.S. market led to a strong second quarter of global personal computer sales, reported IDC and Gartner.  Compared to the same April-to-June time frame in 2006, there was 12.5 percent growth in the second quarter of the 2007 fiscal year.

Excluding Japan, IDC reports the Eastern Asian market flourished the most, seeing 20 percent growth.  According to IDC analyst David Daoud, the Japanese PC market continues to be weak, especially compared to the rest of the Asian market.

Hewlett-Packard remains the world's largest PC manufacturer, with almost 37 percent growth in the second quarter.  The growing number helped the company widen its market share lead over Dell.   

Dell, which currently sits in second place in the global market, lost 5 percent in the worldwide market, and almost 11 percent in the U.S. market -- the only company of the top five who lost market sales.  To help stay competitive in both markets, Dell is now selling its products through retail stores, opening up the floor to its customers, and is cutting employees.

Top five companies worldwide:  HP, Dell, Lenovo, Acer, Toshiba
Top five companies U.S. market: Dell, HP, Gateway, Apple, Toshiba

The January release of Microsoft Vista has yet to boost PC sales, though it will likely take a few more months before the boost is seen.

With the help of consumers and small and midsize businesses, IDC predicts PC sales will be strong through 2008.

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By SeanMI on 7/23/2007 8:07:53 AM , Rating: 2
In a previous life I worked at an all HP shop. I now work in an all Dell shop. I didn't realize how much I liked HP's computers/servers until I starting using Dell's.

They suck completely and totally. Dell will do ANYTHING to save a buck, and it just isn't worth it. It's so obvious when looking at their product it makes me sick. Why must I pull the front cover off of a server to get to the power button? If I leave the cover off it looks incomplete. Dell's server build disks (can't remember the name) don't even compare to HP's Smart Start disks. And why do none of their business desktops have PS/2 ports? I still have tons of PS/2 mice and keyboards. Let's not even talk about their laptops...I feel like I need to push it around in a baby stroller to keep from breaking it.

These are just a few of the things I hate about Dell, and why I wish I could convince my boss to buy HP.

RE: Understandable
By masher2 on 7/23/2007 10:38:15 AM , Rating: 3
> "Why must I pull the front cover off of a server to get to the power button?"

For a server, isn't the power button the **last** thing you want out in an open, easily-pressed spot?

RE: Understandable
By SeanMI on 7/26/2007 6:17:09 PM , Rating: 2
HP doesn't place them in an "easily-pressed spot" (they are recessed) but at the same time I don't have to rip the front off of every server to get to the business end of it. I mean with our racks full of HP servers, I could easily glance over a rack and determine if I have any failed hard drives. With Dell, I have to remove every one of those freakin covers...I'm just saying Dell could do it better...HP is proof.

RE: Understandable
By Scrogneugneu on 7/23/2007 12:43:40 PM , Rating: 1
And why do none of their business desktops have PS/2 ports?

I applaud such an initiative.

It's about time we move on... how many uses do we still have for parallel, serial and PS/2 ports? How about just cleaning it up, and move these ports to certain motherboard models only, so we can get more space for useful stuff?

RE: Understandable
By Master Kenobi on 7/23/2007 2:02:21 PM , Rating: 2
Dell is using Intel boards, and the latest Intel chipsets. Intel is taking away things like PS/2, Serial, Parallel, etc... They are not needed anymore and it's about time they were removed. Intel is stacking the board with more USB ports, up to 12 now I hear on the latest chipsets.

Frankly Dell is easier to service I've ripped apart both in the past, and I still do from time to time to show my LVL 2 techs they are still rookies. But I digress, HP's look slicker and sleeker. Dell has the better warranty from a business perspective. We use boht HP and Dell here (Don't ask why its a very very mixed bag, we hate it)

RE: Understandable
By TomZ on 7/23/07, Rating: 0
RE: Understandable
By hubajube on 7/23/2007 4:40:44 PM , Rating: 3
You are a retard. ANYBODY that has technical understanding of the computer world knows dam good and well about legacy ports not being hot. Yes USB is good but there are devices that work better in labs for programming through parallel and serial, yes you could use parallel/serial to USB conversion cables BUT not all are the same. Also there are KVM's that have problems with PS2 to USB or vise-versa adaption. So grow a PC tech brain TomZ before speaking. Maturity on mobos BIOs also need to grow for USB at DOS/Term level to work just like your brain. Which seems like not understanding how to plug and pray.

RE: Understandable
By TomZ on 7/23/2007 5:39:47 PM , Rating: 2
Wow, great debating skill. Tell me, did you take some special classes in school to learn how to debate like that, or do you have a natural "gift"? :o)

RE: Understandable
By hubajube on 7/23/2007 6:52:44 PM , Rating: 2
Do you need a fire-proof suit for all the flaming you get? You get hit many times a day dude. I'm starting to feel sorry for you man. LOL!

RE: Understandable
By harshbarj on 7/23/2007 3:15:21 PM , Rating: 2
I see no reason to remove them until demand falls off. I myself still use ps/2, serial, and lpt ports regularly. Not only do most of my printers still use lpt but many of my keyboards/mice are ps/2. Now on my main rig it's usb all the way but it's nice to have these ports available as an option in case you don't have spare usb devices.

Parallel is still the best way to interface with the computer for home-brew projects and for programming rom chips. Remember just because you don't use a port dose not mean it's useless (if that was the case lets get rid of fire-wire as I have never needed it).

RE: Understandable
By Scrogneugneu on 7/23/2007 9:49:51 PM , Rating: 2
It isn't useless, but very few people are using it. That's why I'm voting for a split up : motherboards with them, and motherboards without. You need them, pick up a mobo that has them. You don't, you get free USB and other stuff :)

Since the average Joe user doesn't need these ports on a new rig anyway, I think it would make a lot of sense.

RE: Understandable
By Homerboy on 7/23/2007 4:58:14 PM , Rating: 2
I like the cover over the power buttons and as previous mentioned the power button should be the LAST resort on any server. "looks incomplete"? Umm its a server do you need it pretty?

Dell's business support is second to none. We tried HP and they couldn't get a SINGLE thing straight. We then tried Dell and not only did they do EVERYTHING right every time, they were correct with all of the diagnoses and suggestions. Not only that, but they actually took OUR diagnoses and suggestions into consideration.

By quiksilv3r on 7/23/2007 3:31:54 AM , Rating: 2

RE: Apple?
By xsilver on 7/23/2007 8:32:47 AM , Rating: 1
are you surprised that americans are more fashion conscious and buy apple or that they are gullible?

RE: Apple?
By Flunk on 7/23/2007 9:55:18 AM , Rating: 2
I think disposable income is a big factor in this one.

RE: Apple?
By TomZ on 7/23/2007 12:10:12 PM , Rating: 4
Here, I fixed that for you:

I think credit cards are a big factor in this one.

By pauldovi on 7/23/07, Rating: -1
RE: Interesting
By mindless1 on 7/23/2007 3:32:42 AM , Rating: 2
No, desktops simply live longer (for the avg. user) and need replaced less often. Also, market saturation of laptops was lower than desktops, it is more likely an owner of only one PC had a desktop and now seeks a laptop, but even so, the majority still see having one working desktop more important than a laptop, the laptop is a secondary system.

RE: Interesting
By Acid Rain on 7/23/2007 8:10:01 AM , Rating: 2
Both me and my partner (for the apartment) use laptops as our PCs.
I just connect it to a 19' LCD and wireless keyboard/mice when I'm home. I think this is a growing trend. I simply don't see myself buying another desktop in the future.

RE: Interesting
By Flunk on 7/23/2007 9:54:04 AM , Rating: 2
Some people prefer to use a desktop. For the performance, upgradablity and durability.

I find that most low-end to mid range laptops are designed to last about 3-5 years which is a far cry from the servicable lifespan of a desktop machine. Couple that with hardware that is outdated when you buy it makes trying to stay up on the performance curve incrediblity expensive.

Now, a lot of people don't care about staying up with technology but there are plenty of us who do. For these reasons I don't think desktops will be going anywhere, at least not at the high end.

RE: Interesting
By Acid Rain on 7/23/2007 10:34:36 AM , Rating: 2
I don't claim desktop is going to die soon. but unlike the guy I commented on - I think desktop sales is declining due to the imminent rise of laptops as desktop replacement.

performance is arguably about the same, disregarding graphics, (and there's upcoming solutions to that). so I don't get your "outdated" point.

upgradablity and durability doesn't seem to me like a huge motivator for desktops... I'd pick price before them.

RE: Interesting
By TomZ on 7/23/2007 11:19:58 AM , Rating: 2
performance is arguably about the same

No, that's not true - laptop performance is 1 or 1­½ years behind desktop performance, I would estimate. Also, desktops are obviously easier to upgrade, so that lets you "reset the clock" a bit on a desktop machine by upgrading components.

RE: Interesting
By Scrogneugneu on 7/23/2007 12:39:06 PM , Rating: 2
so that lets you "reset the clock" a bit

Restart the clock... 33 minutes.

RE: Interesting
By TomZ on 7/23/2007 9:36:21 AM , Rating: 2
This is bad news for us desktop enthusiasts. The death of the desktop is imminent.

Predictions that desktop PC sales would decline as notebook shipments grow underestimated the demand from emerging markets. While desktop shipments in the U.S. and Western Europe have indeed declined, the market for desktop PCs has shifted to emerging countries, where such systems continue to be in high demand,134772-pg,1/arti...

RE: Interesting
By SmokeRngs on 7/24/2007 11:04:00 AM , Rating: 1
This is bad news for us desktop enthusiasts. The death of the desktop is imminent.

Interesting. I also remember predictions that mainframes were the past and legions of desktops would replace them. Well, the legions of desktops are out there and yet mainframes are still around.

It's not a perfect comparison on the surface. However, just as mainframes provide a service that desktops can't provide, laptops can't provide some of the services which desktops do.

I'd love to see a poll of large businesses which would be happy to replace every desktop with a laptop. I doubt there are very many. Laptops are too portable and too easy to damage in comparison to a desktop.

What happens when you spill a cup of some type of liquid on your desk? It ruins the papers you have laying around and it might mess up the keyboard. Do the same with a laptop sitting there and I'd bet the damage is a hell of a lot more. This increases repair costs as well as downtime. It costs a lot more money and wastes a lot more time to replace a laptop than it does a keyboard.

Also, many people hate laptop keyboards for various reasons. I can't use one for more than maybe 15 minutes at a time due to the pain they cause me. This means I have to have a separate keyboard. I won't be alone in needing this. This increases the costs for the system. A regular keyboard is included with a desktop but obviously not with a laptop. And if you think a company isn't going to purchase some of the cheapest laptops, you are kidding yourself. Don't forget that people will also need a mouse to attach just like the keyboard.

Now on to being too portable. Do you realize how many people would try to take the laptop home with them? It won't have anything to do with getting work done at home. It would be so the laptop could be used at home for whatever the person wants to use it for. Just a little bit of a security risk here. Unless there is security at the door checking every laptop to make sure it isn't a company laptop, I don't see any way you are going to stop people from taking them.

I bring up businesses only since they are the major purchasers of the computer industry as consumers purchases of systems pale in comparison. Therefore, as the largest percentage of purchasers they will decide the life or death of the desktop.

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