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MSI GX600 "Santa Rosa" based notebook with Turbo button  (Source: DailyTech, Anh T. Huynh)
Intel's "Santa Rosa" platform gets a "Penryn" refresh before "Montevina" arrives

Intel needs to call a plumber, because future roadmap details continue to leak from the company. Yesterday, we learned of new 45nm Xeon processors based on Intel’s upcoming Penryn-family. Now we have news of the upcoming Penryn-based mobile Core 2 Duo processors for the Santa Rosa refresh.

Intel has four new Penryn-based Core 2 Duo processors in the pipeline. Although Intel has not given the new processors model names, Intel reveals the clock speeds and cache configurations in the latest roadmap.

All four mobile Core 2 Duo processors make use of an 800MHz FSB, matching Merom-based models. Intel does not intend to move mobile processors to a 1066 MHz or 1333 MHz front-side bus like its desktop counterparts.

 Penryn-based mobile Core 2 Duos
Model
Core
Frequency
FSBL2 Cache
TBA2.6 GHz 800 MHz
6MB
TBA2.5 GHz 800 MHz
6MB
TBA
2.4 GHz 800 MHz
3MB
TBA2.1 GHz 800 MHz
3MB

The four new mobile Core 2 Duo processors range from 2.1 GHz to 2.6 GHz. Higher-end 2.6 GHz and 2.5 GHz Penryn-based mobile Core 2 Duo processors feature 6MB of L2 cache. The entry-level 2.4 GHz and 2.1 GHz have 3MB of L2 cache, half of the higher-end models. Intel plans to provide Penryn-based mobile Core 2 Duo processors in PGA Socket P and BGA configurations, as with Merom-based processors.

45nm Core 2 Extreme
Model
Core
Frequency
FSB
L2 Cache
TBA2.8 GHz 800 MHz 6MB

Additionally, Intel plans a Penryn refresh of its mobile Core 2 Extreme processor. The Penryn-based mobile Core 2 Extreme processor clocks in at 2.8 GHz on an 800 MHz front-side bus. Cache-size remains the same as the other Penryn-based mobile Core 2 Duo processors, at 6MB. Despite a mild speed increase from the high-end Penryn-based Core 2 Duo, the mobile Core 2 Extreme features an unlocked multiplier for overclocking.

The Santa Rosa refresh remains identical to what Intel launched a few months ago. The only difference with the refreshed Santa Rosa is support for Intel Penryn-based mobile Core 2 Duo processors. Intel’s Santa Rosa refresh continues to use the same GM965 and PM965 Express chipsets paired with the ICH8M south bridge.

Intel’s next mobile platform overhaul will not arrive until Q2’2008. The next-generation Montevina platform introduces the new Cantiga PM and GM chipsets, based on Intel’s Bearlake-family. Cantiga pairs with a new ICH9M south bridge. Montevina also introduces new Echo Peak and Shirley Peak wireless 802.11a, 802.11g and 802.11n adapters. A new Boazman Gigabit Ethernet controller and Intel Turbo Memory 2.0 top the list of Montevina features.

Expect Intel to refresh Santa Rosa with Penryn-based mobile Core 2 Duo processors in Q1’08 and Montevina to succeed Santa Rosa in Q2’08.


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Vader
By Master Kenobi (blog) on 7/17/2007 1:35:13 PM , Rating: 5
Impressive. Most Impressive.




RE: Vader
By Ringold on 7/17/2007 2:56:04 PM , Rating: 5
Hector Ruiz: If you strike me down I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine!


RE: Vader
By Webreviews on 7/17/2007 9:20:48 PM , Rating: 4
Intel: Your powers are weak, old man.


RE: Vader
By animedude on 7/18/2007 2:21:30 AM , Rating: 2
I'll be back.


RE: Vader
By omyg0t on 7/18/2007 7:00:26 AM , Rating: 2
ORLY


RE: Vader
By Webreviews on 7/18/2007 2:30:39 PM , Rating: 2
YARLY


RE: Vader
By MatthewAC on 7/22/2007 4:36:27 PM , Rating: 2
Your mother.


Slow down a bit !
By crystal clear on 7/19/2007 8:11:16 AM , Rating: 3
Yes indeed its good to see Intel coming up with newer/better/faster processors & platforms.

But look at it in a very practical manner-

Dont you think Intel is going too fast in its race to beat down any AMD challenge/competition/ left in the laptop market (if there is any challenge left over)?

They results may not be what Intel visions it to be-

1)Buyers/users dont buy newer/better/faster laptops every 3 to 6 months.
Their purchases are spread over many other items,besides laptops.

To summarize it-people/buyers dont upgrade their laptops so fast or so frequently.
Normally they upgrade or rather buy a new latop once every 2 or 3 years.

2) OEMs/ODMs etc need time to get their products into the market plus their product advertising materials/campaigns & their market stratergies into the act.

They barely have started with the Santa Rosa platform releases into the market with current CPUs only to find the next tidal wave from Intel waiting to come in.
This upsets or plays havoc with their product planning & manufacture & ofcourse marketing.

The buyers purchase plans are also affected,they prefer to hold back as newer product information starts coming out.

3) Intel has a total control over the laptop market,there is hardly any AMD challenge left ! so whats the big hurry !

Yes it makes a great news items but in REALITY Intel is only upsetting the manufacturers & buyers plans/statergies.

AMD comes up with too little too late -Intel comes with too much to fast

Let the OEMs/ODMs etc & buyers plus the market digest the current offerings,rather than Intel chokes them with another round of new offerings.

Yes they can offer the new releases for the high end-CUSTOM designed/manufactured laptops-top of the line products that fetch a good profit margins.

Whilst the mainstream & low end market the current offerings,that also enables Intel unload its inventries of chips it holds to make place for newer offerings.




RE: Slow down a bit !
By SunValleyAZ on 7/19/2007 12:34:22 PM , Rating: 2
Your argument is only partially true.. I am assuming intel marketing execs take a whole bunch of this market data, replacement trends, and competetive space in different segments etc into consideration wehn they decide on when/howmuch to release the products... it is not 100% fool proof or correct, but it is not exactly blind assumptions either...
And also, all PC users do not replace at the same time.. some might have had older computers that didnt replace with the core2's last year and were waiting initially, and might be considering a replace now.. many of such may go for penryn products during christmas.. and for those who got recent core2's, they go for penryn plus next year or nehalem shortly after that..
So it's all about keeping customers on a steady diet of Intel.. and lead them up the tech ramp gradually... well that's my 2 cents..


RE: Slow down a bit !
By TomZ on 7/19/2007 5:04:54 PM , Rating: 2
I understand what you're saying, but I see it as more of a product development pipeline. For example, now that the first round of Santa Rosa laptops is just being released, Intel engineers are working on the next revision of that platform. This gives plenty of time (at least a year) to sell the existing generation and to pay for the investments. Sales and marketing continues with the first-gen while engineering starts thinking about second-gen.

Of course, reading a site like DT we can always see the next wave coming, and we may have the desire to wait for the next wave. But most buyers are not aware of the next wave, and even if they were, they wouldn't be inclined to wait, since they may need a new machine "now" and not a year from now.

Also there is the potential problem of always waiting for the next thing, and therefore, never buying, since there is always something better on the horizon. Most people recognize you can't always wait, you have to plunk down money for today's tech sometimes.

Have a great day!


RE: Slow down a bit !
By crystal clear on 7/19/2007 7:51:40 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Have a great day!


YES MY FRIEND SAME TO YOU !
(its night here now-currently in Israel)


RE: Slow down a bit !
By B on 7/20/2007 1:37:19 PM , Rating: 2
Intel and AMD need to play to win and ultimately reward their shareholders. Intel is clearly executing better and everyone reaps the benefits of their excellence.

Why would they slow down? Why would they artificially throttle their engineering department? What benefits would be achieved? Technology has always been a fast pace game of ideas, engineering, and execution. Plenty have failed in this ruthless marketplace. However, this creative destruction has greatly enriched the lives of humanity.

Consider how many scientific breakthroughs have been achieved and are attributable to Moore's law. Consider that everyone has or will have a bullhorn to voice there thoughts and opinions via blogs and video. This is all attributable to cheap and fast technology.

Consider how well Folding At Home work on a 486? Extrapolating this out, in another 10 years Penryn wouldn't be fit for use in a PDA, nor to run the newer and better distributed networking programs that have yet to been written.

Finally, don't forget that Intel has other pitiless adversaries including: IBM, Samsung, Nvidia, Freescale, et al.


RE: Slow down a bit !
By GlassHouse69 on 7/23/2007 2:13:47 AM , Rating: 2
agreed!


Frequency Gap ... and more
By webdawg77 on 7/17/2007 2:36:44 PM , Rating: 1
Are they saving 2.3 GHz and 2.2 GHz for later models?

It also makes you wonder why the Extreme chip isn't up to 3.0 GHz. It's nice to have the unlocked multi, but why didn't Intel just release it at 3.0 GHz. Did they not feel it could hold up at that speed, or are they wanting to release another Extreme chip at that speed 3 - 6 months down the road.

Intel is really taking it to AMD. I hope that Phenom / Barcelona prove to be up to the challenge, otherwise I wonder how many more "new" releases AMD will come up with overall.

Will the overall battery life still be good or will there be new "12-cell" batteries coming out?




RE: Frequency Gap ... and more
By Andypro on 7/17/2007 3:53:07 PM , Rating: 2
Core 2 obviously has no problems with 3.0GHz. The reason to keep it at 2.8 as opposed to 3.0 for the extreme edition is due to power consumption and heat.

And there are already 12-cell batteries out :) However due to the 45nm process of Penryn and the new high-k dielectric used in fabrication, all of these processors should definitely consume less energy than their previous 65nm brethren.


RE: Frequency Gap ... and more
By webdawg77 on 7/17/2007 3:59:32 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, with the battery life, I meant all of the new stuff in the chipsets and everything else been "plugged" into notebooks now.


RE: Frequency Gap ... and more
By TomZ on 7/17/2007 4:48:17 PM , Rating: 2
...not to mention high-end graphics processors integrated into laptops. Probably the major power offender, I would guess.


RE: Frequency Gap ... and more
By PlasmaBomb on 7/18/2007 9:42:18 AM , Rating: 2
The recently announced merom extreme X7800 is rated at 44W at 2.6, compared to the NVidia 7950 GTX at 45W TDP.


By Webreviews on 7/17/2007 9:25:43 PM , Rating: 3
This is just begging to be modded down.

1. It is irrelevant to the discussion, the post, or even this site.

2. NewEgg is perhaps the best tech purchasing site on the web, with excellent customer service -- so if you weren't aboe to explain yourself well enough to get satisfactory treatment from NewEgg's staff then you must be lower than frog-spit on the evolutionary chain.


By aurareturn on 7/19/2007 7:21:03 PM , Rating: 2
He's saying that ABS laptops are bad, not newegg.

It's a recommendation. Take it or leave it.


By Haltech on 7/23/2007 4:35:20 PM , Rating: 2
OMG!!! NOT THE RUBBER FEET!!!!!


2008?
By Visual on 7/19/2007 3:56:18 AM , Rating: 2
Lets try if you fixed yesterday's Ooopses....
Effectively this means there will be nothing new on the Centrino front until Q1 2008, right?




RE: 2008?
By TomZ on 7/19/2007 5:07:29 PM , Rating: 2
I'm not sure your point, but I would say that, considering Santa Rosa-based laptops just became available last month, having platform refreshes/revisions in 6-9 months is pretty reasonable. There's nothing wrong with first-gen Santa Rosa, either, so it's not like there is an urgent need to push out a replacement quickly.


Upgradeability?
By VERTIGGO on 7/20/2007 1:33:34 PM , Rating: 2
I have a laptop with a Core Duo "Yonah" right now. Could I upgrade to one of these even though the FSB/Memory is rated higher? Would it work since they're both LGA 775? It's an Intel i945PM.




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