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The 80GB PS3 to be the only option once the 60GB consoles are all sold out

Although the $100 price drop on the 60GB PlayStation 3 appears from most angles to be a tactic from Sony Computer Entertainment America to help jumpstart sales of its new console, comments from the company’s European arm seem to paint the price reduction as a method of clearing out old stock.

In an interview with GamesIndustry, SCEE president David Reeves said in response to a question asking why Europe isn’t getting a similar price drop as North America, “Well, they're not really are they, because what the U.S. are offering from the 1st of August is a USD 599 version with one game. All they're doing is taking their stock in trade that they've got at the moment of the 60GB model, marking the price down and it will all be gone by the end of July.”

The interviewer then clarified Reeves' answer by asking, “So once the 60GB is gone, that will be the end of the 60GB then?” The SCEE president replied, “In America, yes.”

Sony's Kaz Hirai confirmed the move in this video interview with VG TV (his response in English can be heard around the 1:45 mark).

The comments from Reeves and Hirari indicate that the recent price drop is just an attempt to clear out remaining 60GB inventory to make way for the 80GB model. This would also mean that once the $499 60GB models are sold out, the actual price of entry into PlayStation 3 ownership will rise back up to $599.

At the time of launch, gamers could purchase a PlayStation 3 for $499 rather than $599 if they chose to go with the 20GB model which also was without Wi-Fi and a memory card reader. Starting in 2007, shipments of the more economical 20GB appeared to be scarcer, while the 60GB was more readily found in stores.

Following investigations into the apparent extinction of the $499 option, Sony officially confirmed the 20GB PlayStation 3 as a discontinued product – effectively raising the price of the PlayStation 3 overall to the $599 tag of the 60GB model. The situation with the 60GB and 80GB consoles could lead to a repetition of history that could closely resemble that of the 20GB PlayStation 3.

As for the situation for gamers across the pond, Reeves also gave an explanation as to why Europe isn’t getting a PS3 with a larger hard drive yet: The difference between 60GB and 80GB is not really necessary. “Probably we could have gone for 80GB, but does it really make any difference?” he said. “We just know that we get a better supply on the 60GB than we will on the 80GB. So we chose to continue with the 60GB until we find that we can get something better, maybe lower cost. It just didn't seem necessary to us.”

Following the above reasoning, Reeve was asked why SCEA would choose the slightly larger hard drive if it isn’t necessary. “The difference is that the 60GB we have now has about 88 per cent backwards compatibility,” Reeve replied, referencing the difference in backwards compatibility hardware. “The 60GB they had had 100 per cent backwards compatibility. They felt that by going down for 100 to 88, for example, that they'd have to add something in – and that's what they did.”

Although European gamers will not yet be getting any price break or larger hard drive, a new value-added bundle has been revealed in the form of a starter pack that adds an extra controller and two games to the purchase of a new console.

Aside from the new bundle, Sony may not be making any moves until the end of the year. “We just felt that we didn't want to complicate things; we wanted to have one model, and we've had one model, we've done very well with it, now we'll add value and we'll think about what we'll do closer to Christmas,” Reeves said.

Update 07/13/07:
Sony officials are trying to clarify SCEE president David Reeve’s comments regarding the eventual end of the 60GB PS3. Posted on the official PlayStation blog, SCEA communications officer Dave Karraker wrote, “As we announced this week, SCEA’s product offering in North America consists of a 80GB PS3 available in August and a 60GB PS3 available now for $499. We will have ample supplies of both models to meet the needs of consumers for the foreseeable future.”

Karraker revealed to Joystiq that “the foreseeable future,” equates to several months: “The 60GB PS3 will be available in North America for $499 until supplies of that unit are depleted. We have ample inventory to meet the immediate needs of consumers in this territory for several months to come. We won't be making any further announcements regarding our hardware offerings in the North America at this time.”

The same news comes from even higher up the corporate chain, as SCEI president Kaz Hirai said in a recent VG TV interview, “Just from a hardware perspective, the $499 price adjustment that we did for the 60GB version for the American market, we’re no longer in production for that product. So once that product is gone from the retailers’ shelves, then we’re back to the $599 SKU only, so it’s not like we have a two price strategy here in the U.S. market, which we found very early on consumers that react most to just having one SKU as opposed to two.”

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Bye bye hope
By Boney on 7/13/2007 9:33:32 AM , Rating: 5
With a $100 price cut I thought Sony was headed in the right direction in trying to sell more ps3's. Clearly I was wrong.

I'm pretty sure that lowering the price on a "commodity" to attract buyers and then raising it again substantially without adding anything of value (WOW 20GIGS?!) is not a sound game plan.

Good job losing and ground you were "going" to make Sony.

RE: Bye bye hope
By yacoub on 7/13/2007 9:34:30 AM , Rating: 2
Not just not gaining, but actually losing (the hardware emulator).

RE: Bye bye hope
By bkm32 on 7/13/2007 12:09:30 PM , Rating: 2
It most likely costs Sony the same amount to offer both configurations, so if they include a game (Motostorm) and an x-tra 20GB, they make a little more on the 80GB model (really they lose less on it since the PS3 has yet to prove profitable at the unit level). Therefore, once the 60GB versions are sold out, then Sony will sell the 80GB at $499. It just won't have a game offered, or it might. By the time of the US holiday season, Sony will be offering some of its exclusives, which should help drives sales and bring costs down.

Their real only mistake in this whole "price drop scandal" is actually offering up this x-tra info. They should have known this would alientate fans and cause interested potential buyers to wait for the new pricing scheme in November.

This is the same reason why MS isn't specifiying the details on its price drop (e.g. when and how much). Although if they were going to have one, either they should have announced it prior to E3 or Shane Kim should not have mentioned it:

My advice, invest in Nintendo stock heavily as MS and Sony are shooting themselves in the foot, right now.

RE: Bye bye hope
By mdogs444 on 7/13/2007 9:40:19 AM , Rating: 5
So they only do a liquidation on the current 60gb models, and introduce 80gb at $599.

Then M$ comes back with a $249 core, $349 premium, and $399 Elite (i think those were the prices). All while offering a 3 yr warranty, new 65nm chips, and better cooling (in the future consoles). So if you wait a few months, you can purchase the new 360 with a 120gb HD, HDMI, 65nm, better cooling, 3 year warranty, and an external HDDVD player (which doubles for your PC) for less than the only PS3 model.

Very very interesting.......

RE: Bye bye hope
By cochy on 7/13/07, Rating: -1
RE: Bye bye hope
By Brandon Hill on 7/13/2007 10:08:28 AM , Rating: 3
He was talking about the rumored price cuts for the Xbox 360, not their current retail prices...

RE: Bye bye hope
By cochy on 7/17/2007 12:57:26 PM , Rating: 2
hmmm that would makes sense yes lol

RE: Bye bye hope
By Verran on 7/13/2007 10:13:57 AM , Rating: 2
Those are the current prices. Read about new price possibilities in the new DT article:

RE: Bye bye hope
By GhandiInstinct on 7/13/2007 10:16:54 AM , Rating: 2

Forgot one thing, 360 is so cheap because it has conventional DVD, PS3 has BLU-RAY.

Anyway, why does sony think 20 more GB is something special? PS3 takes an 2.5" drive, I'd rather them sell a PS3 at 299 with no Hard Drive.


RE: Bye bye hope
By scrapsma54 on 7/13/2007 11:16:55 AM , Rating: 4
Sony is like a pack of lemmings, they mate, have babies, then they jump off a fricken cliff with no brain function of as to why, they just are plain stupid.

RE: Bye bye hope
By MeTaedet on 7/13/2007 5:08:30 PM , Rating: 5
Sony may have made a bad move here, but really, who's the stupid one? Is it Sony or is it you of poor grammar, XBox 360 fanboy, who aren't even aware of the fact that the notion that lemmings commit suicide is entirely a myth? They have poor eyesight and so occasionally fall off of cliffs unintentionally. The producers behind the so-called documentary that filmed this behaviour of lemmings actually staged things and, by scaring them, forced them off of a stage prop made to look like a snow-covered cliff. You might say that this is irrelevant, but it actually goes to show that you are the one who believes and does things with "no brain function as to why" (that is to say, without a questioning spirit or understanding as to why). It seems that you are much more like the mythological lemming than Sony.

Microsoft has made plenty of bad moves itself. One might even say that they have made far more than Sony. Let's review: No HDMI port; no HD-DVD player included with the XBox 360 (which has spelled the downfall of the HD-DVD format); a failure rate approximately 33 times greater than that of the Wii or PS3; horrible press conference held in high school auditorium that revealed nothing remotely interesting or new; despite claims to the contrary, no better repertoire of games than the PS3 despite having been out for a year longer; failure to be honest and fair with customers by reporting actual failure rates as soon as they were known; failure to not lie about system failure rates; failure to do right by customers until absolutely forced to do so as a result of the true Xbox 360 failure rate being disclosed to the public by people other than Microsoft employees. And I'm sure there are more...

P.S. Something I want to get off of my chest:
People speak of the new change in warranty policy as if it were a selling point and really big and magnanimous thing for $M to do, but the truth is that if the console weren't an unreliable pile, they wouldn't have had to do it in the first place. All things being equal - that is, disregarding the differences between the two systems, save for reliability - in terms of warranty policies, I'd much rather go with the PS3, since, although the warranty doesn't last as long, there's a much much smaller chance of having anything go wrong with it. I don't want to go to the trouble of shipping my system to Microsoft and waiting for weeks to get it back so I can continue playing games, even if doing so should come at no monetary cost to me. So, please, people, don't speak of the new warranty system as though it were a selling point or merit of the console because it really isn't. And do try to give credit where it is due: How about giving props to Sony for manufacturing a console of such a quality that an extension to the warranty shouldn't in any way be necessary in the first place? Hmmm?

And to set the record straight: Yes, the PS3 is more expensive, but it is a much better value in every way. In order to get a functionality similar to the PS3's you have to spend around $700. And buying an HD-DVD player at this juncture is unwise, since with Blockbuster's exclusive adoption of the Blue-Ray format over the HD-DVD format, HD-DVD is getting betamaxed.

I side with the PS3, but not because I have an irrational fondness for Sony; I do so because through ratiocination I have truly arrived at the conclusion that it is a better console. I am no fanboy. The moment the XBox 360 becomes the more appealing choice, I'll side with it. Remember, people, there's nothing wrong with preferring one console to another. But there is a problem with siding with one over another for no reason other than that you have a baseless and irrational love of and feelings of fealty to the manufacturer of that console.

RE: Bye bye hope
By GreenyMP on 7/13/2007 5:37:04 PM , Rating: 2
Tell me how that inane post gets a rated a 5. Only because it's pro Microsoft and anti Sony on DailyTech. So I guess the scale goes like this:

Rating -> Bias
1 Strongly agree with Sony
2 Agree with Sony
3 Non biased
4 Agree with Microsoft
5 Strongly agree with Microsoft

RE: Bye bye hope
By mdogs444 on 7/13/2007 6:41:47 PM , Rating: 2
Since you are obviously Pro-Sony, allow me the opportunity to defend what i wrote, that received a 5...

First and foremost, I am not a fan of Microsoft anymore than I am a fan of Sony. I believe they they both have many good products, many failures, and in my opinion - both share characteristics of pricing their items for more than what you actually get out of them.

Second, I was not bashing the Playstation 3's ability as a console, nor did I say one bad thing about its functionality & features.

Third, my comments were merely going off the statement that with M$'s expected price cuts (as stated on DailyTech), it is now possible to get a fully loaded 360 for the same price as the PS3.

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The fact that M$ is now issues a 3 year warranty (based on certain stipulations) is only meant as a tool to ease consumers minds when purchasing the item. No doubt is this a direct result of the wide spread surfacing of certain problems with the system that many users experienced.

M$ did also state that they are making changes to the systems design to prevent these flaws. We know they are shrinking the die to 65nm from 90nm for several reasons - not only to help cure the RROD/Overheating problems, but also lower the cost of production, thus helping justify the expected price drop.

Now as for my Sony PS3 comments. I think its a wonderful system as a whole - yes it offers great graphics, free online gaming, and a 1080P BD player.

My point of the previous post was saying that I dont think the extra 20GB of storage, while eliminating the EE chip, justify's a $100 price increase over the standard 60GB system. I think if they offered a "core" 60GB system and a "premium" 80GB system at a $499/599 price point - the 60GB would be the clear cut consumer choice, no?

Now, lets really consider what they are doing. A 60GB and 80GB 2.5" drive cost roughly the same, so that is not increasing the production cost. By eliminating the EE chip, it is decreasing production costs. So as a whole, they are really charging more, for less. Since the 60 & 80 GB drives cost the same, and they eliminate the EE chip, the price should drop to reflect it - similar to what M$ is expected to do with the cheaper production costs of the 65nm chip.

So when it comes to features & price, they are now somewhat similar with both having small advantages:

That was the sole basis for my post, not a pro MS or anti Sony.

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Now as for the long post above yours, I do agree with many of his points, and yet disagree with some as well.

1. It is not proven that there is a 33x greater defect rate on the 360. He even stated that MS did not release the actual statistics. While I do agree they are probably much higher than Wii & PS3, a single chain such as EBgames, or Game Stop's statement does not justify a defect rate as a whole, and thus in inconclusive.

2. Another inconclusive statement is to say that BD has won the format war. People are still buying both formats. With all the offers going around of 5 free HD & BD movies, and movies being bundled with consoles, who really knows how many people are actually BUYING the titles. And just because Blockbuster has chosen one format over the other, only time will tell if that was the right choice or not. Some studios have sided with only HD, others have sided with only BD, and others are planning on producing dual formats.

Truth be told, I dont think anyone really cares who wins. Its more of waiting period where we would like either A) one to win so we know we arent wasting our money on a BD player or a HD player, or B) please make affordable dual format players.

If there is anyone out there who claims "BD looks so much better than HD" or "HD looks so much better than BD" is full of it. There is no difference at all in the picture or audio quality. Its all whether they are choosing to be a fan of one or the other.

Also, I dont believe its fair to connect HD with Microsoft. MS doesnt even make the HD drives. Just because they chose not to side with Sony - who is a direct competitor of their console - and pay Sony to install BD drives in teh 360, does not make them the bad guy.

In all honesty, I could care less about HD or BD. I dont even have an 1080p tv to watch them on, 1080i is good enough for me, and from what I hear, its not that big of a difference to the naked eye.

Last of all, I do not agree with any statements where people say that the PS3 is a "value" or the 360 is a "value", becuase they are both with flaws, both of companies who i wouldn't trust as far as i can throw them. Its not a question of what is a better "value", its a question of what is considered more "affordable" and a "better buy" to the consumer.

RE: Bye bye hope
By GreenyMP on 7/13/2007 8:10:41 PM , Rating: 2
A couple of items.

1. My post claiming that the score of 5 was unearned was aimed at the lemming post. At least your post had some content.

2. Claiming that a shrink of the die and an increase in the warranty period are some kind of upgrade seems odd to me. If I had to send my console back a couple of times a year and get a new one, I would not be bothered. As long as Microsoft takes care of their customers, who cares if the failure rate is 99%. It's their money they keep losing. But to market the rectification of such issues as an upgrade is misguided.

3. It IS fair to connect Microsoft to HD. Microsoft built and marketed the disk authoring technology used in creating HD-DVDs. They were partners with Toshiba from the beginning. They were just unwilling to put it all on the line like Sony - for better or for worse.

4. No matter how logical you make your arguments, you are still a Microsoft Fanboy. You are just a more intelligent one. Not like scrapsma54 (Lemming man). And that would make me a Sony Fanboy.

RE: Bye bye hope
By mdogs444 on 7/13/2007 8:28:23 PM , Rating: 2
1. My post claiming that the score of 5 was unearned was aimed at the lemming post. At least your post had some content.

For that I apologize. I was too quick to jump the gun, as i didnt even bother looking at his lemming comment. I just knew most of the branched off mine.

2. Claiming that a shrink of the die and an increase in the warranty period are some kind of upgrade seems odd to me. If I had to send my console back a couple of times a year and get a new one, I would not be bothered. As long as Microsoft takes care of their customers, who cares if the failure rate is 99%. It's their money they keep losing. But to market the rectification of such issues as an upgrade is misguided.

Nowhere did i mention it being an upgrade, because to the user's naked eye, its nothing. I just said that the warranty was to help buy back consumers, and that the die shrink will help with the overheating issues and decrease the price.

3. It IS fair to connect Microsoft to HD. Microsoft built and marketed the disk authoring technology used in creating HD-DVDs. They were partners with Toshiba from the beginning. They were just unwilling to put it all on the line like Sony - for better or for worse.

Correction - HDDVD was actually created by Toshiba in conjunction with NEC. Microsoft was not a creator, but an adopter.

4. No matter how logical you make your arguments, you are still a Microsoft Fanboy. You are just a more intelligent one. Not like scrapsma54 (Lemming man). And that would make me a Sony Fanboy.

Personally, since you are admitting you are a sony fanboy, and i've already said that i dont care for Microsoft, i think you just want me to be a MS fanboy for the sake of argument.

I guess since I have Vista on my computer, that makes me a fanboy. I guess that also makes everyone with Windows on their computer a fanboy as well...probably including you.

RE: Bye bye hope
By GreenyMP on 7/14/2007 2:36:34 PM , Rating: 2
Correction - HDDVD was actually created by Toshiba in conjunction with NEC. Microsoft was not a creator, but an adopter.

Let me correct your correction. Microsoft and Toshiba jointly developed HDi. HDi is the technology that you use to create the menus and extra features on HD-DVD. Despite what you read on Wikipedia, Microsoft was in on the deal from the beginning.

This is the opinion part of the post. I personally like Blu-ray better for this reason. I think that Java (used for menus and extra features in Blu-ray) is a more powerful, versatile, future proof technology.

RE: Bye bye hope
By ObscureCaucasian on 7/15/2007 12:42:26 PM , Rating: 2
HD-DVD is not MS's format though. They have no reason to "put it all on the line" for HD DVD.

You actually think it would be better for consumers if both the PS3 and the Xbox 360 were in the $500-$600 price range?

RE: Bye bye hope
By wallijonn on 8/7/2007 1:53:50 PM , Rating: 2
I'd rather them sell a PS3 at 299 with no Hard Drive.

Both Miscrosoft and Sony made one big mistake which Nintendo didn't - they offer game saves on SD memory sticks. "Supposedly," since that mem stick may only work for VC games. But at least you can use GC mem for GC games. If you can't save games to SD mem, then it SHOULD be be able to.

I'd buy a 360 basic for $299 if it would accept SD mem sticks, I'd buy a PS3 basic, without an HD, for $399 (since it has the Blue Ray player) if they offered a mem stick to save games. You can usually get a 2G SD mem stick for $20 when they go on sale.

RE: Bye bye hope
By Bioniccrackmonk on 7/13/2007 11:16:12 AM , Rating: 2
All while offering a 3 yr warranty

People please read the warranty info prior to posting on it. The only way you get a 3 year warranty on the Xbox 360 is if you experience the RROD and have to send it in. If you never experience this problem, and only this problem, then you only get a one year warranty. Daileytech has an article on this from barely a week ago as proof.

RE: Bye bye hope
By Bioniccrackmonk on 7/13/2007 11:17:59 AM , Rating: 2
By the way I own no next gen console so no fanboyism remarks and I completely agree with the fact that Sony is digging a bigger ditch by pulling this stunt.

RE: Bye bye hope
By mdogs444 on 7/13/2007 11:20:07 AM , Rating: 2
I know, i could have elaborated but didnt feel like typing it out and figured most of us knew the stipulations of the RROD warranty. The RROD seems to be the main reason holding people back from buying the console, but now it seems evident that their worries should ease up a bit.

Im not so sure i buy the whole scratching disc's thing yet, becuase i havent or do i know anyonne, who has experienced it yet.

RE: Bye bye hope
By mdogs444 on 7/13/2007 11:21:01 AM , Rating: 1
And im not a fanboy either, id ont own any of the systems (had a 360 for a few months and sold it becuase i never played it)

RE: Bye bye hope
By HardwareD00d on 7/13/07, Rating: 0
RE: Bye bye hope
By ogreslayer on 7/13/2007 12:00:49 PM , Rating: 3
It doesn't even cover all RROD issues, only those involving the GPU disconnect. If you have a RROD and it is the psu then it isn't covered.

The $599 does come with a game as well. Right now that game is still $60. So really they are charging $40 for the extra 20GB... and the loss of the EE.

I'm sure once they are sure they are out of stock in September or October, cause they aren't gonna sell out by the end of the month or even August, they are gonna be forced to drop the price again. They may actually have to drop it to $150 as by then I would expect MS to push through the 65nm product and give us a $50 price break on each level of the system.

RE: Bye bye hope
By xphile on 7/14/2007 3:13:41 AM , Rating: 1
It seems like there's a lot of argument here but the point is being missed by many people. There never was a price cut, there never was any intention for there to be a price cut. What ALL of this was about was ONE thing - getting the cheaper software only emulation into the US PS3 without causing a huge backlash and trying to do it as cunningly as possible.

To do this Sony figured they could take the sting out of the loss of hardware backwards compatibility in Nth America by increasing the hard disk size slightly, at a cost of roughly nothing at all. You have a bucketload of 60gb units collecting dust - you cant sell 60bg units when there are 80gb units out, especially if they are at the same price. So discount the 60gb units and get rid of them and in a short space of time you are left exactly where you wanted to be - selling cheaper to make 80gb units without that expensive BC at the same price.

Which explains both the price cut that wasn't, and the pitiful hard disk size increase.

RE: Bye bye hope
By animedude on 7/14/2007 11:41:53 AM , Rating: 2
If sales is up significantly, then Sony will definitely have "more" $499 PS3.

RE: Bye bye hope
By ATC on 7/15/2007 6:43:28 PM , Rating: 2
I would not be at all surprised once the 60s are all gone, the 80s will be priced at what the 60s are today.

It does not make any sense what so ever for Sony to admit that today. It would literally halt sales of the 60s.

Remember also that Sony has sorted out all manufacturing bottlenecks and teething problems especially with the blue laser diodes. Their cost of manufacturing the 80 will be significantly lower than today's 60, especially with the omission of hardware-based PS/PS2 support.

I'm willing to take bets here that the 80 will just slot into the 60 price point of today ($499US/$549CAD) after all 60s are gone. It would defy logic if that does not happen. Then again, Sony has defied logic on a few occasions in the past. ;)

RE: Bye bye hope
By scrapsma54 on 7/16/2007 11:43:21 AM , Rating: 2
Regardless of how inaccurate my lemming statement was, my point stands. Sony is a pack of fools and nothing can change that. I am no fan boy, but I disgree with much of what sony has done with its next gen console. Sure 360's failure rate is horrendous, but $475 is 2 weeks pay for a 16yr old on a $7.00 per hour budget. Bravo, ps3 is like the iPhone (perfect in every sense), but TOns of those features are worthless to the general public, just some conspiracy theory that they get you laid.

What? FEAR? Sony.. You're DISGUSTING
By hardwaremister on 7/13/2007 9:34:45 AM , Rating: 4
It seems all they want now, is to try to get the sales quickly UP thru FEAR .


Resistante is FUTILEEEEE!!! BUY ps3 NOWW!

C'mon... this is the DIRTIEST TACTIC I'VE EVER SEEN to get impulsive buyers and make bigger the userbase of the console, because as-is no devTeam is gonna get into a multimillion$ project unless there're more people who could potentially buy it!

YEAH... I guess in love and console wars everything is allowed.

RE: What? FEAR? Sony.. You're DISGUSTING
By enlil242 on 7/13/2007 9:53:19 AM , Rating: 2
That's what I was thinkning as well... give the knee-jerkers a reason to go out and "grab on while they can." I was actually considering getting one at this price either by the end of the year or early next year if games and blue-ray were compelling, but reading this will just make me want to wait again.

I have an 8800gtx and a 360. I have no need for a PS3. AT ALL. I can't believe they would stoop to this level.

RE: What? FEAR? Sony.. You're DISGUSTING
By enlil242 on 7/13/2007 9:59:37 AM , Rating: 4
I just want to finish my thought by adding that I bet once this "stock clearing scheme" ends, there will be another price drop.

This is just an attempt to catch up in sales. Because, if the Xbox's price drops when the newer revisions come out, Sony will have no choice but to "extend" their pricing... Think about it 80GB PS3 (with game) for $599, or Xbox Elite 120GB for $399.

MS knows it, and sony knows it... If I were looking into buying either one, I surely would be waiting until the holidays...

RE: What? FEAR? Sony.. You're DISGUSTING
By hardwaremister on 7/13/2007 10:22:33 AM , Rating: 2
Yeah... that's for sure! They will lower the price after this trick (i hope) doesn't work and they claim the 60gbPs3 was sold out and a complete success.

Oh my... it's a very DIRTY trick anyways!

By SiN on 7/13/2007 10:42:43 AM , Rating: 2
So is this just the beginging of a PR assault? U know they could keep doig this in all sorts of different manners, essentialy keeping it to "PS3 PRICES SLASHED" and they'd still get the headlines, the PR and the sales for it ecause people will thing they're getting a better deal. Which they will, while stocks last ;)

By BiuTech on 7/13/2007 10:30:23 AM , Rating: 3
MS knows it, and sony knows it... If I were looking into buying either one, I surely would be waiting until the holidays...

I was thinking along the same lines. It is just another marketing scheme to create a sense of urgency and demand. When the 60GB's are 'cleared' off the shelves Sony will come out with, "Well we've decided that what our customers want is lower prices and value BLAH BLAH BLAH, so we are going to keep the price cuts." Uh duh. Once MS cuts prices Sony will find it hard to compete if they do not follow suite.

By orochi on 7/13/2007 2:04:55 PM , Rating: 2
I don't think they will do another price cut. The price is ridiculously high in Europe and there's no price cut there. Just 2 games and 2 controllers which is cheap for them to manufactor and easy to make it look like a "value". If they dropped the price, the backlash is going to be ridiculous for all the people who just bought 60 gig PS3 at the same price when the release the new 80 gigs at $399.

By Golgatha on 7/13/2007 1:51:12 PM , Rating: 5
"I can't believe they would stoop to this level."

You know it's Sony who makes the Playstation 3 right?

Yes, indeed
By bkm32 on 7/13/2007 9:30:54 AM , Rating: 2
I predicted this when the price drop was announced.

Thank you, crystal ball, thank you.

RE: Yes, indeed
By mdogs444 on 7/13/2007 9:43:12 AM , Rating: 2
You outta change your handle to "Mr Cleo" from now on lol

RE: Yes, indeed
By GlassHouse69 on 7/13/2007 1:50:36 PM , Rating: 2
That's a hot reference.

moan... miss cleo....

she is in jail I think or had some IRS trouble. didnt predict that apparently :(

RE: Yes, indeed
By PrimarchLion on 7/13/2007 1:22:01 PM , Rating: 2

I beat you by an hour and 20 minutes =P

I think a lot of people saw this coming back when they released the 80GB in Europe. I thought it would be a few more months at least though.

RE: Yes, indeed
By PrimarchLion on 7/13/2007 1:40:56 PM , Rating: 2
edit: 60GB in Europe

the 80GB was in Korea right?

By FITCamaro on 7/13/2007 10:45:03 AM , Rating: 3
This is so Sony behavior. So basically now everyone will rush out and buy up the 60GB models. After they're gone, now we get once again the same high price tag, with worse backwards compatibility and only 20GB more space to make up for it. 60GB is already more than enough (I wanted to buy the 20GB one when I eventually got one).

Thats just great. Sony, after seemingly getting a clue, now again shows their true colors by wanting you to pay more for less. That'd be like the Elite having no HDMI or included cable and only a 40GB hard drive and the same price point.

So congratulations Sony. You'll get a brief spark in sales while simultaneously earning the disdain of everyone who buys one solely because they don't want to have to pay more later. They pushed my eventual purchase of one back yet again. I'd love to get one eventually, and at the $500 price, I'd consider it early next year or so. But now, with the 60GBs all gone by then for sure, it'll maybe be Christmas time of 2008.

I guess its a good thing 60GB models have just been sitting on the shelf. Means theres plenty available for those who want to rush out and buy one before they're gone. I'm not one of those people.

RE: Typical
By FITCamaro on 7/13/07, Rating: 0
RE: Typical
By mdogs444 on 7/13/2007 11:03:59 AM , Rating: 2
The PS3 will have the wireless - while the 360 will have the ability to hook the HD-DVD drive up to a PC. So its basically users choice.

Personally i like the fact that I can hook the HD-DVD up to a tv, but i dont like the fact that i cannot use it standalone w/o a 360 lol.

Anyone know if you can just hook the HD-DVD player up via USB to the Philips 5960 DVD player since it has a USB port?

RE: Typical
By Brockway on 7/13/2007 11:04:51 AM , Rating: 2
I just bought a PS3 with the free controller deal from circuit city online. Funny thing, I didn't buy any games though... Until Heavenly Sword, GTA4, MGS4, and Final Fantasy come out, there's not really anything out there calling me. It'll mostly be used to play sweetly upscaled PS2 games and Linux until those titles come out. Gimped backwards compatibility would be a deal breaker. If I couldn't get one with the EE chip, I'd never buy one. Amazon actually sold out of them, guess people liked the +remote and bd movie deal.

I already have a laptop with a 7950gtx, so I'll be able to play the X360 titles like GoW, Spore, and Bioshock that don't stupidly require Vista. The reliability issues of the 360 are way too huge for me to ignore. It was actually pretty smart of Microsoft not to immediately drop their price after Sony did. Maybe they saw through it?

RE: Typical
By FITCamaro on 7/13/07, Rating: -1
RE: Typical
By FITCamaro on 7/14/07, Rating: 0
RE: Typical
By encryptkeeper on 7/13/2007 1:11:24 PM , Rating: 1
Did you really think they would change overnight? This is further proof that Sony has completely lost touch with consumers (as if we needed more). However, at the rate these things are selling, you should be able to find a PS3 for 499 for several more months (these guys were predicting they'd be gone sometime in June). They've really hurt themselves now, and this gives Microsoft one more reason NOT to drop the price on the 360. 360s are still selling very consistently here in the US (as well as games and accessories) so the one real reason now to drop the price on them would be to appeal to the customer, not keep their console cheaper than the PS3. Microsoft might send them a thank you card for this idiotic move. This is just too funny, and I really think they take the gaming community to be stupid and fall for this.

RE: Typical
By FITCamaro on 7/13/07, Rating: 0
RE: Typical
By encryptkeeper on 7/13/2007 5:28:35 PM , Rating: 2
You might want to try reading the articles on the net instead of repeating what you hear from other people...

For those that labored through Microsoft’s E3 (2007) keynote, there was no such announcement...Kim declined to give a date for when the price cut would occur

This is no better than when the console first appeared on the market almost 2 years ago. We all knew price cuts would happen EVENTUALLY. We just don't know when. We still don't know when (as of writing of your post). So they still have no date. They essentially CAN back out of the date they planned, because they didn't announce to the public when it would be. They waited, and they were smart about it.

Sony = Idiots
By Spivonious on 7/13/2007 9:40:01 AM , Rating: 3
“We just felt that we didn't want to complicate things; we wanted to have one model, and we've had one model, we've done very well with it, now we'll add value and we'll think about what we'll do closer to Christmas,”

Because having a "budget" model is confusing. Just look at
Dell. Doesn't everyone buy the top-of-the-line XPS? No one buys the $399 machine. </sarcasm>

RE: Sony = Idiots
By mdogs444 on 7/13/2007 9:49:27 AM , Rating: 4
“We just felt that we didn't want to complicate things; we wanted to have one model, and we've had one model, we've done very well with it, now we'll add value and we'll think about what we'll do closer to Christmas,”

Lets see here........Complicate things? Sony? Never!

we've had one model, we've done very well with it

You've had 1 model, but i'm not quite certain what your idea of "very well" is..unless you mean by last place in the console wars.

now we'll add value

I hardly call $5/GB a value, especially when losing some emulation. If they offered both 60 & 80 GB versions, i think they would see what consumers considered "value".

we'll think about what we'll do closer to Christmas

Well you'd better think fast, or else the Grinch is going to steal your Christmas!

My input on this...
By Legionosh on 7/13/2007 9:59:47 AM , Rating: 3
...well this so called "price drop" is apparently nothing of the sort, just a ruse to move out the old stock.

So once the old 60GB models are all gone, the price for a PS3 will STILL be $599 U.S. dollars, albeit for one with 80GB of HDD space (definitely NOT worth an extra $100 by ANY stretch)..oh, and no EE chipset, only software emulation.

I ALSO have a strong hunch that the Motorstorm pack in game is ALSO temporary, meaning once the "pack in game" move expires, the PS3 will be AGAIN $599 U.S. dollars with NO pack in game.

I just got a PS3 just last month, so I am definitely not hating on Sony (although my 360 does get more of my game time), but this move seems like such a farce.

...and honestly like someone stated above, it DID seem too good to be true..

...and what do you, it was...

Let's see how the public reacts once THIS news goes mainstream...methinks it's not going to be pretty.


RE: My input on this...
By Clenathan on 7/13/2007 11:33:34 AM , Rating: 2
I don't see how Motorstorm would be temporary - if they did away with a pack-in game they would essentially be raising the price which I don't think even Sony is dumb enough to do. So for an extra $100 from the current 60GB price you are getting a game ($60 value) plus 20 more GBs ($40 value no, but not far off of MS's hard-drive add on). Plus I bet you'll still be able to get the 5 free Blu-Ray movies and maybe a deal with an extra controller? Having said all that, if the 360 price does not move (and it may not after this announcement) then the PS3 price isn't that far out of line, but if the 360 price does drop, Sony will take it from behind, again.

RE: My input on this...
By Legionosh on 7/13/2007 4:54:54 PM , Rating: 2
Well it would be nice if Motorstorm WASN'T temporary, but I don't recall the last time there was a pack in game for any extended length of time (and I've owned everything since SNES/NES days). NONE of the recent 360 pack in deals have been permanent (some have lasted longer than, Burnout..but still only temporary).

As far as the 5 free Blu-Ray movie deal, I have to admit that IS pretty sweet. That almost makes it worth buying..almost (although the Circuit City addition of an extra controller on TOP of the 5 free BR movies is one HECK of a deal by any standards).

I agree with the majority that the 360 is in need of a price cut (20 months and not one price cut? Isn't that illegal in most coutries?

MS definitely needs to lower the pricing across the 360 SKUs. I know the Core (when/if it drops) is bound to hit $249, but if MS could somehow manage a $199 THAT would move some systems. At that price buying a $50/$60 512MB memory card doesn't seem so bad (but MS should REALLY drop the 20GB HDD to $50, or at least $70).

Heck a 360 core w/HDD for $270? Now that's a pretty good deal if you ask me. Gears of War, Bioshock, Blue Dragon, Mass Effect, etc, etc on a $270 system? I think that would definitely help MS move some serious systems.

My 2.73 cents.


Come on can't be serious!
By Legolias24 on 7/13/2007 9:42:52 AM , Rating: 2
I admit, I am a fan of the PS3...hell I even bought one in April (still not regreting my decision), but what the hell is this? Price drop...but only until the old models are done and then the price goes back to original for these newer model hard drives? I don't get it...

What they better be planning (and this is a conceivable idea) is to announce a price drop on the 80GB model at the point when the 60GB models are all but sold out. I sure hope that is something they are planning!

RE: Come on can't be serious!
By joemoedee on 7/13/2007 10:57:44 AM , Rating: 2
I'd almost bet money that is what they will do.

Create demand to clear out what is probably a more expensive console to produce. (The Emotion Engine and related chip(s) are probably more money cost-wise in production than the extra 20GB of hard drive space) "Get it now, while supplies last! - Prices will go up!"

Supplies run out, trot out the 80GB sans EE parts... same price as the 60GB with EE, and ultimately make more money on it.

Would I be surprised? No. Would it be the first time it was done? No.

By Brockway on 7/13/2007 11:45:19 AM , Rating: 2
If I remember the article right, the EE chip cost Sony $27 per console. 60gb and 80gb drives are both pretty much $50 on newegg, so there's really no increased cost for using the 80gb's. I feel sorry for the PAL market getting milked to try and cover Sony's bottom line.

By Eurasianman on 7/13/2007 11:44:15 AM , Rating: 2
Following the above reasoning, Reeve was asked why SCEA would choose the slightly larger hard drive if it isn’t necessary. “The difference is that the 60GB we have now has about 88 per cent backwards compatibility,” Reeve replied, referencing the difference in backwards compatibility hardware. “The 60GB they had had 100 per cent backwards compatibility. They felt that by going down for 100 to 88, for example, that they'd have to add something in – and that's what they did.”

Can someone please clarify that for me???

Are the 60 GB models suppose to be better backwards compatable then the upcoming 80 GB models???

RE: Confused
By Nick5324 on 7/13/2007 11:51:37 AM , Rating: 3
Current, or 60GB models, in the US contain the EE+GS chip used in the slim PS2. This means it plays all PS2 games, as the PS2 hardware is present. Starting with the 80GB model, US PS3's will no longer have this hardware, meaning PS2 games must be played via software emulation.

RE: Confused
By Brockway on 7/13/07, Rating: 0
RE: Confused
By Eurasianman on 7/13/2007 12:08:43 PM , Rating: 2
So in other words, if I want the best, get a PS3 now... else, make sure the PS1 and PS2 work in the future =P

RE: Confused
By FITCamaro on 7/13/07, Rating: -1
Sony's decisionmaking
By TomCorelis on 7/13/2007 1:33:35 PM , Rating: 4
It's as if Sony has a running contempt for their customers... is pulling this kind of crap acceptable in Japan? What are they thinking?

Sadly, this means I need to buy a PS3 soon if I want to get the hardware emulation chip... I think I'm the only gamer on the planet who doesn't own a PS2.

Nonetheless, Sony's moves are providing excellent entertainment value. Every time they make a new announcement I reach for a bowl of popcorn.

RE: Sony's decisionmaking
By cobaltb on 7/13/2007 6:49:16 PM , Rating: 2
You and me both on the PS2. I refused to buy that market hyped "emotion engined" piece of crap.

The Dreamcast was a superior machine in my book. To bad Playstation Lemmings sat and waited for the "Emotion Engine is going to change the world, PS2" before they jumped and sent the Dreamcast to it's grave.

I have a great appreciation for Microsoft competition as I feel if it weren't for them, we would likely have been resigned to a Sony PS3 machine no more powerful than the original Xbox. "Emotion Engine 2" anyone?

Dreamcast Highlight:
Grand Turismo 2 Bleemcasted. I really enjoyed that game.

This should clear things up.
By edpsx on 7/13/2007 2:02:58 PM , Rating: 2
Straight from SCEA.

SCEA has denied 'inaccurate' reports that its $100 price cut on the 60Gig PS3 is simply a move to clear stock before offering solely the higher priced 80Gig version.

Image A spokesperson for Sony in the US told Next-Gen, “"As announced this week, SCEA's product offering in North America consists of a 80GB PS3 available in August at $599 and a 60GB PS3 available now for $499. We have will have ample supplies of both models to meet the needs of our consumers for the foreseeable future."

Officials at Sony Computer entertainment Europe – including president David Reeves – had said that the US price would still be $599 because that would be the only model on offer once 60Gig stocks ran out. If true, this would have rendered the $100 price cut a virtually pointless gesture, meaning that PS3 had not been cut in price, but was simply being offered with extra memory and a bundled game.

SCEA has reacted with puzzlement to the European perspective, suggesting that there may have been an incorrect interpretation. The spokesperson said, “Those quotes [published by a UK-based game industry website] from David Reeves are not accurate. He said that if they had lowered the price in Europe, that territory would have run out of their current inventory by the end of July.”

Previously, a senior PR at Sony in London had backed Reeves statement, confirming that he had been talking about the US market, though the PR later distanced London from the remarks, telling Next-Gen, “I believe that is the plan, but SCEA has not formally made an announcement on any timeframe. As it affects the US you should confirm with SCEA.?”

SCEA subsequently denied the story entirely. However, questions will now be raised about the company's long term plans for the 60Gig version and for its $599 / $499 pricing strategy.

RE: This should clear things up.
By edpsx on 7/13/2007 2:15:51 PM , Rating: 2

As another follow up from another SCEA member.

RE: This should clear things up.
By orochi on 7/13/2007 4:31:25 PM , Rating: 2
Dave Karraker is a douche. Quoted from joystiq: According to Karraker, "The 60GB PS3 will be available in North America for $499 until supplies of that unit are depleted.

If only he said that first instead of trying to spin the news to look like that there will be 2 SKUs. I've lost so much trust in Sony in such a short time span.

Yeah, heard about this earlier this morning...
By yacoub on 7/13/2007 9:30:59 AM , Rating: 2
Basically the price will go back up, you get 20GB more drive space on a console where it's not that hard to replace the drive yourself with one much bigger, and you're paying that higher price again for a console revision that lacks the hardware emulator. Wow Sony, wtf are you thinking?

By mdogs444 on 7/13/2007 9:42:32 AM , Rating: 2
Not saying that Sony makes bad products at all, because they typically dont. But fact is they are paying an extra $5/GB is not a surprise to me....

By Griswold on 7/13/2007 11:53:50 AM , Rating: 1
US-americans need to stop whining about the lack of hardware PS2-game support for the future. Its been like that for the euros since their launch and they pay €600 for it - thats $828!

I havent seen any complaints about bad compatibility either, it seems to work pretty smooth. The PS3 has enough processing power to easily do the job in software. Plus it'll get better with every firmware update eventually.

What sony needs to do is stop screwing over the customer with stunts like the one above, but especially the europeans with this ridiculous pricing gap.

Hardware and Software
By Supersonic3474 on 7/15/2007 8:25:20 PM , Rating: 1
As a electronic engineer I believe I have the qualifications to comment on this. The PS3 from an engineering and gaming standpoint is not fit for gaming. The Cell is not a good processor for gaming as it offers nothing but headaches for game developers, the Cell would make a better media encoding/decoding. Media encoding a decoding rely's heavily on rapid single instruction/parallel instructions at a time execution, a pure FLOP based architecture would excel at this. Games do not use such features, games rely more on task specific MIPS based architecture. While floating point helps games its not a major necessity to offer that much co processing. In all honesty the Cell is not that great at what is was even designed for. The 360's CPU is a more balanced chip that offers a much better MIPS to FLOPS ratio. The fact it has 3 ALU's is the biggest reason that it is better with single process execution (non parallel) processing that games favor.

GRAPHICS - From a graphics point of view, the PS3's video chipset is based on a substantially older NV chipset. This chipset has a static shader architecture thus is severely limited in in shader performance namely pixel shader performance *Say for instants you are playing a game that requires a ton of vertex shader performance, however you have a set amount of pixel shader performance and a set amount of vertex performance, the game is going to cap out the vertex shader performance while the pixel shader performance going to be barley used. The 360's GPU is built off of the unified shader architecture thus can designate the resources it needs to a game without being bottlenecked. It has a total of 48 pixel processors that it can use to dedicate what it needs to a game.

EXTENDED- There is also the fact that the 360 has 512MB of dedicated VRAM while the PS3 only has 256MB. The memory bus system of the PS3 is also very very slow, most of the pipelines in its bus system are very fast, but there is a few major problems with the PS3's memory bus that kill it. Search Google for "PS3 Broken Memory Access"

OVERALL, the 360 is a better gaming machine. I don't care what people say about this fact. People who love sony will always say Sony is better regardless of whats fact (I call this delusional) And it is in my opinion that people who prefer the 360 are fans of the system and not the company who makes it. Sony has done nothing but make false claims for years and not to mention over gloat their systems to the point of inaccuracy.

GAMES - The PS3 currently does not have a big enough library of games to warrant paying $600 for their system.

FEATURES - The PS3 does come with some good features out of the box, this is a very nice convenient s for some. But its a headache for others, not everyone needs all of those features. And I personally prefer getting the console for cheap and having the option to buy the features I need.

BLUERAY - Its nice to have BlueRay out of the box. Games do not need blue ray currently. Its nice to watch HD movies out of the box.

Conclusion - Why buy a PS3 right now?

RE: Hardware and Software
By ATC on 7/15/2007 9:42:25 PM , Rating: 2
That was un-biased.

RE: Hardware and Software
By ruibing on 7/16/2007 10:27:57 AM , Rating: 2
As an Electric and Computer Engineer, I believe your comments are way too biased. First off, most of your arguments are based on computer and software engineering qualifications, not EE.

CPU - I have never programmed for the Cell processor and I doubt you have either. I only know I've read an article on either dailytech or tgdaily that Sony/IBM had to hold seminars to teach full usage of the procesor and that just recently Id's developers said they prefered development on the PS3 platform. I do agree that the xbox has a better general performance CPU, but I think the advantages of the cell processor has a lot more possibilities we wouldn't find on any other console/pc. It really depends on how developers takes advantages of it.

GPU - I don't really want to go over which one is better in white paper, since consoles don't really benchmarks like how we can do in PC. But rumors of how the RSX is weaker than the Geforce 7800 was quickly dispelled by Nividia and Team Xbox (the rival): Unless you can provide real world proof that one is better than the other, I think this matter should be left alone.

Memory - The 360's GDDR3 512mb video memory is unified memory (like how some PCs have shared memory between system and integrated video), meanwhile the PS3 has 256MB of dedicated XDR video memory and 256MB of GDDR3 system memory. 256 + 256 = 512 last time I checked. If you researched a bit more, you would know that the XDR is operating at 3.2 GHz while 360's GDDR3 is at 700 MHz. They have about the same bandwidth (GDDR3 25.6GB/s, VRAM: 22.4GB/s), but where the XDR shines is in latency. The point of RAM is to reduce the latency between cpu and hard drive by acting as a cheap and fast cache, just like how cpu cache tries to hide the latency of system memory. Even fans on Xbox forums have trouble deciding what's better and you are here making the declarations because of your amazing qualifications.

Quality - We forgot this somehow, didn't we? Did we forget the massive millions of recall for hardware defective systems or the class lawsuit over scratched discs? As an engineer (doesn't even matter which), we need to look at quality and performance equally. Engineering analogy: how would you feel if you built an entire circuit board on a PCB and it turns out the PCB was poorly fabricated and there is a lot of resistance/capacitance on the planes throughout different layers? The xbox was fine in terms of quality but the 360 is a nightmare.

Games - I agree, the 360 really shines for games. But the current PS3 has hardware emulation so until good games comes out, you got the complete PS library to fool around with. People are mocking the PS3 for software emulation but the 360 has been using it from the start.

Features - What kind of engineer ever thinks too much feature is a bad thing? Say you are going to use a microcontroller to make a digital system, more feature only means better adapability and expandability later on by reprogramming the microcontroller (no hardware changes neccessary). I mean really you are hard to please, I'm sure you were asking why the PS3 didn't come with a HDMI cable. Maybe this is why some people pay $499 for the system. Blu ray, PS1, PS2, PS3, DVD Player with upscaling, and complete entertainment center.

Blu ray - No one can say who wins but its good to have it. Just think of it as a bonus if you really find it too complicated to deal with.

Overall - In terms of an gaming console, what the pS3 lacks in terms of price, the 360 lacks in terms of quality. The fact that you have to add peripherals to the 360 makes it just as pricey. The only reason I would stay away from the

Conclusion - Please don't talk about your qualifications when you don't do the research and are obviously biased (conciding on only the most obvious points and still manage to point fingers relentlessly).

Good bye goodwill gesture.
By edpsx on 7/13/2007 9:32:37 AM , Rating: 4
What seemed to be a too good to be true $100 price drop now truely is. Im sure there are plenty of 60Gb left laying around, but this is more or less just a slap in the face for consumers.

"Here is a great price drop for everyone! Now help us clear our old stock out."

I forgot to mention..
By Legionosh on 7/13/2007 10:22:47 AM , Rating: 2 does this mean there will be no 360 price drop? That would be a bummer.

(I already have a 360 so that's not the issue, but it will be 2 years this November since the 360 DEFAULT it is due a price drop by now).

Just some food for thought.


RE: I forgot to mention..
By Zigazoid on 7/13/2007 10:41:05 AM , Rating: 2
There is a rumor that MS will annouce price cuts, but nothing concrete yet. There's a another story on Dailytech that mentions this, its from yesterday.

Personally I think they will do it once they can manufacture the 65mm 360's in large numbers, or they'll do it in September to help kick off all the great titles they have coming out this fall.

extra 20 GB not needed
By adam92682 on 7/13/2007 1:51:47 PM , Rating: 4
Reeves also gave an explanation as to why Europe isn’t getting a PS3 with a larger hard drive yet. The difference between 60GB and 80GB is not really necessary. “Probably we could have gone for 80GB, but does it really make any difference?” he said. “We just know that we get a better supply on the 60GB than we will on the 80GB. So we chose to continue with the 60GB until we find that we can get something better, maybe lower cost. It just didn't seem necessary to us.”

If it's not necessary then why should you expect people to pay $100 more for it?

This explain's MS non-move
By Tbonus on 7/13/2007 3:57:19 PM , Rating: 4
Now we can see what MS was thinking when they decided not to change there price point. They either knew or where looking for Sony to pull such a bone head move.
This may get a few more PS3's into the american homes, but at what cost? When Jonny finds out that his firend has the new PS3, and he tells him that he paid $499 for it. Then he decide's that he want to get him one too, only to be told by the sellsman that that modle is no longer for sell, because Sony was just trying to get rid of it's 60 GB inventory. What is he going to think of Sony?
A bunch of crooks trying pad there customer base with somk and mirrors! What else can you call it when they misled the consumer in this way? This cold very well be Sony's "Red Ring of Death."

SIXAXIS Version 2
By Nick5324 on 7/13/2007 10:45:58 AM , Rating: 2
Is the next move to drop the game pack in, saying it was a "limited time offer", and include the "new" SIXAXIS? New meaning that it now has rumble
( ).

Brilliant Marketting Idea
By Macungah on 7/13/2007 11:28:31 AM , Rating: 2
They could remove the 60gb option, thereby forcing people to snatch them up. Then after a while, they release a 40gb version to the public for the low price of $450~. Or something like that.

By Polynikes on 7/13/2007 11:32:22 AM , Rating: 2
God damn it. I'm not ready to fork over $500, but I don't want to get stuck with no choice but paying more for a gimped product.

By dome1234 on 7/14/2007 2:28:10 AM , Rating: 2
i'm seeing it more of a ruse for ppl to snap up 60G version fast to clear the inventory. when fall/holiday season hits, they'd get another price cut of 100 to the 80G.

By hardwareking on 7/14/2007 7:02:29 AM , Rating: 2

They claim HD-DVD will die in 10 months and the 360 wont last even 5 years

Its off topic but i thought it'd be right to post here

And last time i looked MS are making tons of profit off their accessories and games,much more than what sony can even dream

Xbox360 is CRAP! Get a PS3
By LiptonGreenTea on 7/16/07, Rating: -1
which chip?
By GlassHouse69 on 7/13/07, Rating: -1
RE: which chip?
By mdogs444 on 7/13/2007 1:48:57 PM , Rating: 2
The EE chip will be gone, and moved to software emulation - thus dropping the backwards compatibility by a vast percentage.

RE: which chip?
By GlassHouse69 on 7/13/2007 2:08:09 PM , Rating: 1
ew. that will be useless. im not a fan of upscaling most of the time but hdmi ='s digital connection so that would be great in and of itself for old games.

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