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Honda to introduce a new 3.5 liter V6 diesel by 2010

While many domestic and foreign automakers are looking to hybrid technology to improve fuel efficiency across their auto lines, Honda is looking towards the tried and true: diesel engines.

It was reported last month that the next generation Honda Accord would forgo its slow-selling and poor-performing Accord Hybrid with a diesel variant. The oil-burning Honda Accord will feature a 2.2 liter i-CTDi Tier 2 Bin 5 diesel engine along with an ammonia-filled catalytic converter to reduce NOx emissions.

Honda is also poised to make a new 3.5 liter V6 diesel engine available for its larger vehicles including the Odyssey minivan, Pilot mid-sized SUV and the Ridgeline mid-sized pickup truck. The new Tier 2 Bin 5 diesel will first be available in 2010 according to the Japanese Nikkei newspaper.

The engine is said to be 30 percent more fuel efficient than Honda's current 3.5 liter V6 gasoline engine (rated at 17/24, 15/20 and 15/20 respectively in the Odyssey, Pilot and Ridgeline based on 2008 EPA estimates). The new motor is also said to produce 20 percent less carbon dioxide as the 3.5 liter V6 gasoline engine.

Honda's new diesels likely won't come under as much scrutiny for failure to achieve EPA estimates as has been the case with hybrids. Honda knows this first-hand as it recently became the target of a class-action lawsuit regarding poor fuel economy on the Civic Hybrid.



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RE: What utter crap.
By kkwst2 on 7/11/2007 2:21:34 PM , Rating: 4
Not really. It has less to do with the manufacturers than the market. Ford is one of the more popular diesel makers in Europe. You might argue it's a different design group, but it's a U.S. company. The Fords are very competitive on fuel efficiency, performance and cost. I believe in fact that they've won

I assume the reason they don't make them here is a combination of different regulations(?EPA? as mentioned elsewhere) and market demand - either perceived or real.


RE: What utter crap.
By cpeter38 on 7/11/2007 2:59:35 PM , Rating: 2
Unfortunately, you are correct.

Percieved (most important) and real demand has been lower. The push from Hollywood has been for hybrids (regardless of the real world payback).

I have heard of some incredible fuel economy results when a group did the engineering excercise of putting Ford's 2.0 liter European diesel in a small SUV. We can only hope that they would release a vehicle like that for production.

Here's a couple tidbits for the Prius lovers - According to EU testing specifications, the Fiesta with the 1.6L Duratorq diesel gets 54.3 mpg in the city and 72.4 mpg on the highway. The C-Max (a Crossover/Sport Utility Vehicle) gets 37.2 mpg in the city and 58.9 mpg on the highway (with a 2.0L Duratorq diesel) ...


RE: What utter crap.
By Sulphademus on 7/12/2007 9:49:29 AM , Rating: 2
2 weeks ago I rented a CMax diesel in Italy. Drove almost 600km and that ate 3/4 of a tank. Ford UK says the thing holds 53 liters. So thats what? 15.1 km/L or about 40mpg.


RE: What utter crap.
By encia on 7/13/2007 7:08:32 AM , Rating: 2
"Hybrid taxi paid for itself in no time", refer to http://autos.canada.com/green/story.html?id=738538...


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