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Honda to introduce a new 3.5 liter V6 diesel by 2010

While many domestic and foreign automakers are looking to hybrid technology to improve fuel efficiency across their auto lines, Honda is looking towards the tried and true: diesel engines.

It was reported last month that the next generation Honda Accord would forgo its slow-selling and poor-performing Accord Hybrid with a diesel variant. The oil-burning Honda Accord will feature a 2.2 liter i-CTDi Tier 2 Bin 5 diesel engine along with an ammonia-filled catalytic converter to reduce NOx emissions.

Honda is also poised to make a new 3.5 liter V6 diesel engine available for its larger vehicles including the Odyssey minivan, Pilot mid-sized SUV and the Ridgeline mid-sized pickup truck. The new Tier 2 Bin 5 diesel will first be available in 2010 according to the Japanese Nikkei newspaper.

The engine is said to be 30 percent more fuel efficient than Honda's current 3.5 liter V6 gasoline engine (rated at 17/24, 15/20 and 15/20 respectively in the Odyssey, Pilot and Ridgeline based on 2008 EPA estimates). The new motor is also said to produce 20 percent less carbon dioxide as the 3.5 liter V6 gasoline engine.

Honda's new diesels likely won't come under as much scrutiny for failure to achieve EPA estimates as has been the case with hybrids. Honda knows this first-hand as it recently became the target of a class-action lawsuit regarding poor fuel economy on the Civic Hybrid.



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RE: It amuses me
By TheWizardofOz on 7/11/2007 1:25:58 PM , Rating: 0
For your information, American do not "own" Opel or Mercedes-Benz. A merger does not mean that Chrysler is responsible for the development of CDI diesels in MB or Opel. They have both existed before the merger, and for a fact, Daimler and Chrysler are now two seperate companies. Dimler is letting Chrysler go for the value of Chrysler Co itself.

NOx emissions of PSA diesels may be higher than US standards. But the thing is US does not have seperate emissions for diesel engines. They just say that a family/personal car should emit 0.08g/mile of NOx. EU has seperate emission standards for different engines. That's why diesels are OK for them.

And US has one emission standard for every vehicle for the reason that I stated in the previous post of mine.

GM and Chrysler are supported by the gov't, and so the gov't makes it hard for diesels to penetrate the personal car market.


RE: It amuses me
By TomZ on 7/11/2007 1:39:16 PM , Rating: 2
My point about ownership is that Chrysler is owned (now sold however) by German Daimler-Chrysler (previously Daimler-Benz), and Opal is owned by GM. In the case of Chrysler, obviously the parent company "had the ability to make decent diesels," as is the case with Opal.

So it's not like the U.S. automaker's "can't" make decent diesels - they just haven't yet for the U.S. market because there is pretty low demand. U.S. consumers largely don't want diesels, right or wrong, and it will take some time for that demand to potentially grow. And the tension on the other side is of course the U.S. emissions standards that make diesels more challenging, as discussed elsewhere on this thread.


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