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Honda to introduce a new 3.5 liter V6 diesel by 2010

While many domestic and foreign automakers are looking to hybrid technology to improve fuel efficiency across their auto lines, Honda is looking towards the tried and true: diesel engines.

It was reported last month that the next generation Honda Accord would forgo its slow-selling and poor-performing Accord Hybrid with a diesel variant. The oil-burning Honda Accord will feature a 2.2 liter i-CTDi Tier 2 Bin 5 diesel engine along with an ammonia-filled catalytic converter to reduce NOx emissions.

Honda is also poised to make a new 3.5 liter V6 diesel engine available for its larger vehicles including the Odyssey minivan, Pilot mid-sized SUV and the Ridgeline mid-sized pickup truck. The new Tier 2 Bin 5 diesel will first be available in 2010 according to the Japanese Nikkei newspaper.

The engine is said to be 30 percent more fuel efficient than Honda's current 3.5 liter V6 gasoline engine (rated at 17/24, 15/20 and 15/20 respectively in the Odyssey, Pilot and Ridgeline based on 2008 EPA estimates). The new motor is also said to produce 20 percent less carbon dioxide as the 3.5 liter V6 gasoline engine.

Honda's new diesels likely won't come under as much scrutiny for failure to achieve EPA estimates as has been the case with hybrids. Honda knows this first-hand as it recently became the target of a class-action lawsuit regarding poor fuel economy on the Civic Hybrid.



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RE: What utter crap.
By Comdrpopnfresh on 7/11/2007 11:55:05 AM , Rating: 0
fuel cells are a big lie.
They will never come to fruition because they use an energy carrier to produce electricity- some thing a battery along can store from off the grid. They also use precious and rare materials, such as platinum, are hard to produce, and there is no way to store enough hydrogen in a car to get people the distance they want. Hybrids are coming along to reduce carbon emissions, and the money they save on city mileage (it is there, epa estimates are just that). Domestic companies spoke out against hybrid cars- yes- but then when the prius, insight, and civic began giving people what they want, and honda and toyota were making money- they hoped on the bandwagon.

Daimler has one of the best diesel systems- bluetec. How are they collaborating with american companies? Most of the diesels on the road are vw and other non-domestic company makes.

this article is to let people know the shift in the auto industry- to diesel for efficiency rather than hybrid. And it is an awesome choice.... as long as we can back it up with lots of biodiesel as the number of cars on the road increase...


RE: What utter crap.
By Anh Huynh on 7/11/2007 11:56:40 AM , Rating: 1
The Bluetec diesels are available in the Jeep Grand Cherokee CRD and was available in the Liberty for a while. No car usage though.


RE: What utter crap.
By Desslok on 7/11/2007 1:07:26 PM , Rating: 4
That is incorrect. The Diesel engine that was in the Liberty was not a BluTech engine.


RE: What utter crap.
By NEOCortex on 7/11/2007 12:36:56 PM , Rating: 2
All engines need an "energy carrier" to function. What do you think gasoline or diesel is?

Yes they do need rare metals, such as platinum, but catalyst are being developed every day that use less platinum and other rare elements.

Hydrogen can be stored as metal hydrides and in ultra-high surface area materials. Don't forget that fuel cells can also run on methanol and formic acid.

I'll admit that fuel cells there are still alot of things to be worked out and improved on, and they may never work for all situations, but they'll have there place. They are most definitely not a big lie.


RE: What utter crap.
By cpeter38 on 7/11/2007 3:40:50 PM , Rating: 2
What is your point about fuel cells using energy carriers?

Although battery vehicles directly store energy, they need a HUGE battery to get a reasonable range. Even the purpose built Tesla (a very light 2 seater) will have a big range issue (~200 miles). Lifetime??? I wouldn't want to be the one giving it a 100,000 mile warranty ...

Cars use energy carriers because it increases fuel efficiency (energy density is much higher and you end up with a much better fuel economy because you do not have to pay the cost of accels/decels of a huge battery).

If somebody developes a miracle battery (light weight, infinite energy storage, & totally safe energy release) only then will we have battery cars.

Fuel cell vehicles will have a range of 300 miles within the next 5 years. This range has been demonstrated with purpose built fuel cell vehicles.

Fuel cells have demonstrated efficiency of ~60% (energy extracted/chemical energy of H2). What other technology can do this? You think Hybrids can?????? Battery vehicles?????

If you think any other energy conversion process is as efficient, I want to see your data! If you try to throw batteries at me, compare it on an apples to apples basis (i.e. the vehicle will have to have an existing battery technology with enough energy capacity to get the range - the vehicle weight will have to include this capacity. Also, include the chemical energy required to produce the electricity at the power plant and the transmission losses to get the power to the vehicle).

IF you had bothered to do that excercise, you would not have made that post.


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