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Microsoft's Xbox 360 Halo Special Edition boasts 360 Elite features, without the big price tag. (Source: Microsoft)
Microsoft makes no moves to the Xbox 360 price, but instead announced a new Halo-themed console

On Thursday, Microsoft stunned the industry by announcing that it would extend the warranty on Xbox 360s afflicted with the Red Ring of Death (RROD) to three years following DailyTech’s report on Xbox 360 failure rates. On Tuesday night, the spotlight is once again on Microsoft with it hosting the first big press conference at this year’s slimmed-down E3.

Following Sony’s big announcement of the PlayStation 3 price drop, many turned their eyes over to Microsoft to see if it would respond with a price reduction of its own. Wedbush Morgan Securities analyst Michael Pachter even went as far as to tell clients that he is expecting Microsoft to drop the price of the Xbox 360 console across all its product line. Pachter believes that the 60GB PS3, at $499, represents a favorable comparison against the Xbox 360, and that Microsoft will drop the price to widen the gap.

Unfortunately, for those hoping that the analyst’s prophecy would turn out to be true, Microsoft did nothing to the price of its latest consoles. This effectively puts the 60GB PlayStation 3 console, along with its Blu-ray Disc playing capabilities, $20 apart from the HDMI-capable Xbox 360 Elite. In the Canadian market, the Xbox 360 Elite and the 60GB PS3 will share the exact same $549 price tag, giving consumers more to think about than just their wallets.

Perhaps the only “all new” surprise of the press conference was when Peter Moore reached behind the counter to pull out a new Xbox 360 console SKU. Although some may be hoping for that surprise to be the announcement of a more reliable, 65nm chip-based machine, or one with HD DVD built-in, the actual new console is a Halo Special Edition Console.

The Halo Special Edition Console will be shipping this September, no doubt alongside Halo 3’s September 25 release date. The console features an authentic Spartan green and gold finish and comes with matching Xbox 360 Wireless Controller, 20GB Hard Drive, Headset, Play & Charge Kit, HDMI output and exclusive Halo 3 Gamer Pics and Theme available via Xbox Live download. Microsoft has yet to announce pricing for the Halo Special Edition Console.

The special green Xbox 360 isn’t the only Halo promo item on Microsoft’s list. Last month, retailer GameStop revealed special Halo 3-themed Xbox 360 controllers featuring Todd McFarlane artwork and Spartan green wireless headset. For those who must have all things Halo 3, GameStop is also selling an appropriately themed Halo 3 Zune music player.

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RE: Sony and MS
By KiDDGuY on 7/11/2007 4:45:09 AM , Rating: 3
I couldn't have said it better myself.

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RE: Sony and MS
By tuteja1986 on 7/11/2007 6:13:22 AM , Rating: 5
Microsoft will not do a price drop when they have a Bioshock , Blue dragon , Halo 3 , GTA 4 with 2 exclusive expansion addon , Mass effect , too humans , Alan wake , Lost odyssey , Mercenaries 2 , Rock Band , Burnout Paradise , Eternal Sonata , Stranglehold , Splinter Cell , fable and more coming out in the next 2 quarter.

You will see a price drop in Jan 08 the earliest. I know alot of people waiting to buy a XBOX 360 when Burnout paradise and Halo come out.

RE: Sony and MS
By zombiexl on 7/11/2007 7:32:17 AM , Rating: 5
MS needs to drop the price now, not later.
Why? 4 reasons..

1) Before launch they said they would do yearly price drops. It has been almost 2 years with no price drop.

2) PS3 is going to get momentum from their price drop, and MS cant aford to be in 3rd place this round. PS3 is now within $100 of the Premium and a few McDonalds meals of the Elite. Once PS3 starts to have a larger enough install base they will get their exclusives and build a nice game catalog.

3) The Wii is a huge hit, selling like crazy and has a much lower price point. There is no reason the core shouldnt be able to compete at a 200-250 price point (if they add in a 64MB card).

4) All the bad press about the failure rate. A nice price drop would help (not totally) to eclipse that news, at least for a few days.

5) I know i said 4, but i have to add.. Peter Moore is an idiot and the worst thing that could have happend to the XBox.

RE: Sony and MS
By Funksultan on 7/11/2007 8:09:52 AM , Rating: 4
Zombiexl hit the nail right on the head here... although the pro MS crowd here sees fit to downgrade the post for it. :( Cmon people, I love MS too, but facts are facts.

There's truth there. PS3s are flying off the shelves now (lotsa free movie/controller/games bundles showing up left and right to help it along too). With the PS3 now about the same price as the elite, you're looking at...

PS3 - Blue Ray Player, Wireless, more powerful hardware
360 - More HD space, more software, known hardware failure

Until MS gets off their butt and releases a new revision, or drops some price, Sony is gonna keep making up ground, and that's a headache MS doesn't want....

(bracing for the -1 from Halo addicts ;) )

RE: Sony and MS
By FITCamaro on 7/11/2007 8:18:46 AM , Rating: 2
1) I haven't heard of PS3s flying off the shelves now.

2) Both consoles have comparable hardware. The only thing in the PS3 thats better than the 360 is the Blu-ray drive. Hardly makes the PS3 more powerful though.

RE: Sony and MS
By bkm32 on 7/11/2007 10:34:55 AM , Rating: 3
No, it's Blu-Ray + Cell + insanely low defect rate that makes it more powerful.

IMHO, $480 for an Elite with a high probabilty for defect (based on Core and Pro reputation alone) is not worth it, but makes the PS3 with all of its high tech at $500 very worth it.

RE: Sony and MS
By zombiexl on 7/11/2007 10:48:39 AM , Rating: 5
Not to mention that CC has a deal on the PS3 this week that includes an extra controller with PS3 purchase. PS3 60GB w/ 2 controllers for $499 does sound like a better option than the elite at this time...

RE: Sony and MS
By Clenathan on 7/11/2007 12:13:14 PM , Rating: 3
Don't forget it also comes with 5 free Blu-Ray movies which are all quite good by the way.

RE: Sony and MS
By FITCamaro on 7/11/07, Rating: 0
RE: Sony and MS
By GreenyMP on 7/11/2007 1:44:02 PM , Rating: 3
Just because the Blu-ray doesn't increase your frame rates doesn't mean that it doesn't make it more capable of playing games. Blu-ray gives you more space for textures, levels, audio tracks, extra content, etc.

Do you need it is another question, but it does not detract from the legitimacy of the original statement.

RE: Sony and MS
By Ryanman on 7/11/2007 2:22:09 PM , Rating: 3
I agree with Greeny, It doens't result in better graphics exactly (FEAR..... don't know what the heck they were thinking with that port) but no loading times and extra content + HD movies really makes the elite a pretty stupid idea in my opinion.

RE: Sony and MS
By bkm32 on 7/11/2007 3:33:02 PM , Rating: 2
Think about it, dude. The PS3 has the same capability (if not better) for games than the X360, but you're getting a $499 Blu-Ray player for only $120 more than the Elite, $220 than the Pro, plus 40GB more HDD space that is totally upgradeable without having to pay a premium. If Sony had done this 8 months ago, the Sony fanboys would be swimming in dozens of quality AAA titles instead of waiting on MGS4 and FF13.

MS is making a huge mistake by not dropping the price on it's systems and is totally putting all of its next-gen eggs into the Halo 3 basket. If there's the slightest delay, or it turns out that Halo 3 discs are "bricking" X360s (like Forza 2), or even worse X360s are scratching Halo 3 discs, even the fanboys'll cry "foul" because now their precious Legendary edition is tarnished.

Plus, MS still needs to compete better with the Wii. Trust me, that stupid "Scene It" game and controller is not gonna cut it even if it is motion controlled.

RE: Sony and MS
By FITCamaro on 7/11/2007 4:12:43 PM , Rating: 2
1) I don't care about Blu-ray and I bought my console when the price difference was $120. So I wasn't going to pay a premium for a system with no games.

2) I agree with you that there should be a price drop on the 360.

3) The 360 is no less capable of games than the PS3.

4) I bought Forza 2 on launch day and no issues. Nor did I hear about the game "bricking" systems in the slightest.

5) I could care less about the hard drive space. I bought the Elite more for HDMI (DVD upconverting) and the black case (goes with my entertainment center) than I did for the 120GB hard drive. The only thing I download are updates, demos (which get deleted after I'm done), and the occasional map pack(none so far though).

Yes I like the idea of being able to replace the hard drive with any one I want. And yes I probably will get a PS3 eventually. But it'll be a while (maybe summer-fall of 2008). But I have no ideas that the PS3 is any better of a games console than the 360. The only reason I'll buy a PS3 is because developers are too entrenched in one console to make their games cross platform. Most notably, Japanese developers.

It's starting to look like the only reason I might get a PS3 is for FFXIII. Because MGS4 looks like it might come to the 360 due to the small user base of the PS3. The only other thing I might get it for is a future Final Fantasy XI successor. Star Wars: The Force Unleashed and Dark Sector are both coming to the 360 as well. All the rest of the games I currently know about and want are for the 360.

As far as smaller load times, the 1-2x Blu-ray drive in the PS3 is hardly quick at pulling data. Giant textures and whatnot take time to pull off the disc. I've only got 3 games for the 360(Gears of War, Forza 2, and Overlord) and none of them have any issues with extremely long load times.

And in competing with the Wii, the two are completely different. The 360 is about high res graphics, a home media center, and good games. The Wii is about interactive, standard def gameplay and thats it (other than the web browser and weather stuff. so exciting). Its unique, fresh, and a hit. But the two aren't made to compete with each other really.

I honestly though want to buy a Wii more than a PS3. If I'm going to buy a system for just two or three games, it might as well be a $250 one rather than a $500 one.

RE: Sony and MS
By zombiexl on 7/11/2007 8:23:31 AM , Rating: 4
Zombiexl hit the nail right on the head here... although the pro MS crowd here sees fit to downgrade the post for it. :( Cmon people, I love MS too, but facts are facts.

Thanks Funksultan.

Th funny thing is I've owned an Xbox (from launch) and a 360 from 2 months after launch. I never owned a PS2 and still dont have a PS3, but I've noticed if you say something bad about the 360 (or good about the PS3) people go nuts.

Honestly, I'm planning to buy a PS3 now so i can get some decent HD movies. Plus my e-penis will grow becuase i'll have all 3 nexgen consoles :)

BTW before i get rated down.. I already have the HD-DVD addon or the 360, so thats not an anti HD-DVD or 360 comment.

RE: Sony and MS
By KnightProdigy on 7/11/2007 11:19:02 AM , Rating: 1
People are slow to realize that BR has beaten HD DVD, and for the price, the BR option on the PS3 is worth the investment.

I agree with many posts that the PS3 has a "shotty at best" game lineup but, as I hate to say this, SOE is much better than Live. I hate how SOE has ruined every game they released, but to put it on a console gives more options for both Sony and the consumer in terms of content. With guarantees of online titles like Second Life and various other successful MMOs, Sony now has 2 markets at their disposal that MS cant even come close to matching.

The announcement of 300 new games for the PS3 in the next year, is just icing on the cake.

I like what the original xBox did for the console market, but Sony is just doing it better. After all, SOE has been in the online market for 2x as long as MS or Live.

Gotta look at the facts.
*The PS3s processor is in fact more powerful than the 360s. In a sense, not as fast, but can handle more throughput (ie. textures and higher quality video).

RE: Sony and MS
By christojojo on 7/11/2007 11:56:00 AM , Rating: 3
I agree. My brother is a console slut. He's bought every fairly successful console (except Dreamcast which is debatable about being a success). He refused to buy the PS3 because of price and because of similar game line ups. But with the price cut and other incentives he's wavering (of course the divorce left him without the Xbox 360 (lol, she doesn't even play))

Still I think allot more are looking at the PS3 and the RRoD has people worried.

RE: Sony and MS
By Funksultan on 7/11/2007 3:16:42 PM , Rating: 1
Don't sweat it. Any way people wanna cut it, the numbers are speaking for themselves... Camaro above may wanna browse the sales figures for say, Amazon lately. The PS3 sales are SCREAMING this week. Even all the 360 PR is a little glossy. They REALLY need to do something fast. People (especially here) aren't fooled a lot by new faceplates and controller colors. *grin* The natives want a price drop or a hardware fab change, and they want it yesterday. :)

On a side note, that's how I bit the bullet. CC was nice with the free controller, but you gotta add tax. Amazon is still at $540 with extra controller, free blue ray remote, memento (the movie.. GREAT flick) and the 5 free movies. No tax ftw! Can't beat that with a stick.


RE: Sony and MS
By Belard on 7/11/2007 11:23:22 PM , Rating: 2
I wouldn't call it the worst thing... but I thought it was stupid... I've seen lots of complaints of 20GB drives filling up so quick... with patches, saved data, downloaded games or meda - forget loading up your own media files, etc.

A 60GB drive would have been a BiG help over the 20GB mode, while not the expense of the 120GB drive.

But aside from more games needed, the PS3 offers far less cost over a 360... and considering the RROD (A feature not included with SP3) - I've seen constant posts from people wanting to BUY a new xbox360 with FIXED heat issues... they keep posting "65ns version?" etc etc...

Cost of Xbox Prem (pre elit)
$400 + $180 for 120Gb drive upgrade + $80 for wireless networking + $200 for HD-DVD drive = $860!

Far more expensive than the PS3 at $500 or $600... besides not having to carry or pack 1-2 power bricks and parts (wirless adaptor, HD-DVD)... The Elite shaves off $100.

Lucky for MS, the PS3 was late... but I think in the long run, the BluRay may work out. Already, the developer of GTA4 says the 360 is more limited compared to PS3 for their game.

RE: Sony and MS
By BPB on 7/11/2007 9:08:33 AM , Rating: 3
The only reason I don't have a PS3 yet is the poor game selection. But with the new price I may have to get one if for no other reason than to play rented blu-ray movies. And I too am waiting for Burnout Paradise. Absolutely loved Revenge, can't wait for Paradise.

RE: Sony and MS
By Locutus465 on 7/11/2007 5:52:33 PM , Rating: 2

I've wanted a 360 since it first became available... Today I'm proud to say I have an x-box 1 and a Wii.

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