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Microsoft's Xbox 360 Halo Special Edition boasts 360 Elite features, without the big price tag. (Source: Microsoft)
Microsoft makes no moves to the Xbox 360 price, but instead announced a new Halo-themed console

On Thursday, Microsoft stunned the industry by announcing that it would extend the warranty on Xbox 360s afflicted with the Red Ring of Death (RROD) to three years following DailyTech’s report on Xbox 360 failure rates. On Tuesday night, the spotlight is once again on Microsoft with it hosting the first big press conference at this year’s slimmed-down E3.

Following Sony’s big announcement of the PlayStation 3 price drop, many turned their eyes over to Microsoft to see if it would respond with a price reduction of its own. Wedbush Morgan Securities analyst Michael Pachter even went as far as to tell clients that he is expecting Microsoft to drop the price of the Xbox 360 console across all its product line. Pachter believes that the 60GB PS3, at $499, represents a favorable comparison against the Xbox 360, and that Microsoft will drop the price to widen the gap.

Unfortunately, for those hoping that the analyst’s prophecy would turn out to be true, Microsoft did nothing to the price of its latest consoles. This effectively puts the 60GB PlayStation 3 console, along with its Blu-ray Disc playing capabilities, $20 apart from the HDMI-capable Xbox 360 Elite. In the Canadian market, the Xbox 360 Elite and the 60GB PS3 will share the exact same $549 price tag, giving consumers more to think about than just their wallets.

Perhaps the only “all new” surprise of the press conference was when Peter Moore reached behind the counter to pull out a new Xbox 360 console SKU. Although some may be hoping for that surprise to be the announcement of a more reliable, 65nm chip-based machine, or one with HD DVD built-in, the actual new console is a Halo Special Edition Console.

The Halo Special Edition Console will be shipping this September, no doubt alongside Halo 3’s September 25 release date. The console features an authentic Spartan green and gold finish and comes with matching Xbox 360 Wireless Controller, 20GB Hard Drive, Headset, Play & Charge Kit, HDMI output and exclusive Halo 3 Gamer Pics and Theme available via Xbox Live download. Microsoft has yet to announce pricing for the Halo Special Edition Console.

The special green Xbox 360 isn’t the only Halo promo item on Microsoft’s list. Last month, retailer GameStop revealed special Halo 3-themed Xbox 360 controllers featuring Todd McFarlane artwork and Spartan green wireless headset. For those who must have all things Halo 3, GameStop is also selling an appropriately themed Halo 3 Zune music player.



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Sony and MS
By madoka on 7/11/2007 3:49:11 AM , Rating: 5
It's like they're having a contest to see who can be more stupid.

Sony blows it with the introduction of a 80gig machine at the same high price point everyone's been complaining about, so now it's MS's turn to one up them in stupidity. All the while Nintendo is laughing all the way to the bank.




RE: Sony and MS
By KiDDGuY on 7/11/2007 4:45:09 AM , Rating: 3
I couldn't have said it better myself.

Congratulation, you have reached a new level
Your Karma increased by 4
Your Intelligence by 4
You have learned a new skill: Taunt


:)


RE: Sony and MS
By tuteja1986 on 7/11/2007 6:13:22 AM , Rating: 5
Microsoft will not do a price drop when they have a Bioshock , Blue dragon , Halo 3 , GTA 4 with 2 exclusive expansion addon , Mass effect , too humans , Alan wake , Lost odyssey , Mercenaries 2 , Rock Band , Burnout Paradise , Eternal Sonata , Stranglehold , Splinter Cell , fable and more coming out in the next 2 quarter.

You will see a price drop in Jan 08 the earliest. I know alot of people waiting to buy a XBOX 360 when Burnout paradise and Halo come out.


RE: Sony and MS
By zombiexl on 7/11/2007 7:32:17 AM , Rating: 5
MS needs to drop the price now, not later.
Why? 4 reasons..

1) Before launch they said they would do yearly price drops. It has been almost 2 years with no price drop.

2) PS3 is going to get momentum from their price drop, and MS cant aford to be in 3rd place this round. PS3 is now within $100 of the Premium and a few McDonalds meals of the Elite. Once PS3 starts to have a larger enough install base they will get their exclusives and build a nice game catalog.

3) The Wii is a huge hit, selling like crazy and has a much lower price point. There is no reason the core shouldnt be able to compete at a 200-250 price point (if they add in a 64MB card).

4) All the bad press about the failure rate. A nice price drop would help (not totally) to eclipse that news, at least for a few days.

5) I know i said 4, but i have to add.. Peter Moore is an idiot and the worst thing that could have happend to the XBox.


RE: Sony and MS
By Funksultan on 7/11/2007 8:09:52 AM , Rating: 4
Zombiexl hit the nail right on the head here... although the pro MS crowd here sees fit to downgrade the post for it. :( Cmon people, I love MS too, but facts are facts.

There's truth there. PS3s are flying off the shelves now (lotsa free movie/controller/games bundles showing up left and right to help it along too). With the PS3 now about the same price as the elite, you're looking at...

PS3 - Blue Ray Player, Wireless, more powerful hardware
vs
360 - More HD space, more software, known hardware failure

Until MS gets off their butt and releases a new revision, or drops some price, Sony is gonna keep making up ground, and that's a headache MS doesn't want....

(bracing for the -1 from Halo addicts ;) )


RE: Sony and MS
By FITCamaro on 7/11/2007 8:18:46 AM , Rating: 2
1) I haven't heard of PS3s flying off the shelves now.

2) Both consoles have comparable hardware. The only thing in the PS3 thats better than the 360 is the Blu-ray drive. Hardly makes the PS3 more powerful though.


RE: Sony and MS
By bkm32 on 7/11/2007 10:34:55 AM , Rating: 3
No, it's Blu-Ray + Cell + insanely low defect rate that makes it more powerful.

IMHO, $480 for an Elite with a high probabilty for defect (based on Core and Pro reputation alone) is not worth it, but makes the PS3 with all of its high tech at $500 very worth it.


RE: Sony and MS
By zombiexl on 7/11/2007 10:48:39 AM , Rating: 5
Not to mention that CC has a deal on the PS3 this week that includes an extra controller with PS3 purchase. PS3 60GB w/ 2 controllers for $499 does sound like a better option than the elite at this time...


RE: Sony and MS
By Clenathan on 7/11/2007 12:13:14 PM , Rating: 3
Don't forget it also comes with 5 free Blu-Ray movies which are all quite good by the way.


RE: Sony and MS
By FITCamaro on 7/11/07, Rating: 0
RE: Sony and MS
By GreenyMP on 7/11/2007 1:44:02 PM , Rating: 3
Just because the Blu-ray doesn't increase your frame rates doesn't mean that it doesn't make it more capable of playing games. Blu-ray gives you more space for textures, levels, audio tracks, extra content, etc.

Do you need it is another question, but it does not detract from the legitimacy of the original statement.


RE: Sony and MS
By Ryanman on 7/11/2007 2:22:09 PM , Rating: 3
I agree with Greeny, It doens't result in better graphics exactly (FEAR..... don't know what the heck they were thinking with that port) but no loading times and extra content + HD movies really makes the elite a pretty stupid idea in my opinion.


RE: Sony and MS
By bkm32 on 7/11/2007 3:33:02 PM , Rating: 2
Think about it, dude. The PS3 has the same capability (if not better) for games than the X360, but you're getting a $499 Blu-Ray player for only $120 more than the Elite, $220 than the Pro, plus 40GB more HDD space that is totally upgradeable without having to pay a premium. If Sony had done this 8 months ago, the Sony fanboys would be swimming in dozens of quality AAA titles instead of waiting on MGS4 and FF13.

MS is making a huge mistake by not dropping the price on it's systems and is totally putting all of its next-gen eggs into the Halo 3 basket. If there's the slightest delay, or it turns out that Halo 3 discs are "bricking" X360s (like Forza 2), or even worse X360s are scratching Halo 3 discs, even the fanboys'll cry "foul" because now their precious Legendary edition is tarnished.

Plus, MS still needs to compete better with the Wii. Trust me, that stupid "Scene It" game and controller is not gonna cut it even if it is motion controlled.


RE: Sony and MS
By FITCamaro on 7/11/2007 4:12:43 PM , Rating: 2
1) I don't care about Blu-ray and I bought my console when the price difference was $120. So I wasn't going to pay a premium for a system with no games.

2) I agree with you that there should be a price drop on the 360.

3) The 360 is no less capable of games than the PS3.

4) I bought Forza 2 on launch day and no issues. Nor did I hear about the game "bricking" systems in the slightest.

5) I could care less about the hard drive space. I bought the Elite more for HDMI (DVD upconverting) and the black case (goes with my entertainment center) than I did for the 120GB hard drive. The only thing I download are updates, demos (which get deleted after I'm done), and the occasional map pack(none so far though).

Yes I like the idea of being able to replace the hard drive with any one I want. And yes I probably will get a PS3 eventually. But it'll be a while (maybe summer-fall of 2008). But I have no ideas that the PS3 is any better of a games console than the 360. The only reason I'll buy a PS3 is because developers are too entrenched in one console to make their games cross platform. Most notably, Japanese developers.

It's starting to look like the only reason I might get a PS3 is for FFXIII. Because MGS4 looks like it might come to the 360 due to the small user base of the PS3. The only other thing I might get it for is a future Final Fantasy XI successor. Star Wars: The Force Unleashed and Dark Sector are both coming to the 360 as well. All the rest of the games I currently know about and want are for the 360.

As far as smaller load times, the 1-2x Blu-ray drive in the PS3 is hardly quick at pulling data. Giant textures and whatnot take time to pull off the disc. I've only got 3 games for the 360(Gears of War, Forza 2, and Overlord) and none of them have any issues with extremely long load times.

And in competing with the Wii, the two are completely different. The 360 is about high res graphics, a home media center, and good games. The Wii is about interactive, standard def gameplay and thats it (other than the web browser and weather stuff. so exciting). Its unique, fresh, and a hit. But the two aren't made to compete with each other really.

I honestly though want to buy a Wii more than a PS3. If I'm going to buy a system for just two or three games, it might as well be a $250 one rather than a $500 one.


RE: Sony and MS
By zombiexl on 7/11/2007 8:23:31 AM , Rating: 4
quote:
Zombiexl hit the nail right on the head here... although the pro MS crowd here sees fit to downgrade the post for it. :( Cmon people, I love MS too, but facts are facts.


Thanks Funksultan.

Th funny thing is I've owned an Xbox (from launch) and a 360 from 2 months after launch. I never owned a PS2 and still dont have a PS3, but I've noticed if you say something bad about the 360 (or good about the PS3) people go nuts.

Honestly, I'm planning to buy a PS3 now so i can get some decent HD movies. Plus my e-penis will grow becuase i'll have all 3 nexgen consoles :)

BTW before i get rated down.. I already have the HD-DVD addon or the 360, so thats not an anti HD-DVD or 360 comment.


RE: Sony and MS
By KnightProdigy on 7/11/2007 11:19:02 AM , Rating: 1
People are slow to realize that BR has beaten HD DVD, and for the price, the BR option on the PS3 is worth the investment.

I agree with many posts that the PS3 has a "shotty at best" game lineup but, as I hate to say this, SOE is much better than Live. I hate how SOE has ruined every game they released, but to put it on a console gives more options for both Sony and the consumer in terms of content. With guarantees of online titles like Second Life and various other successful MMOs, Sony now has 2 markets at their disposal that MS cant even come close to matching.

The announcement of 300 new games for the PS3 in the next year, is just icing on the cake.

I like what the original xBox did for the console market, but Sony is just doing it better. After all, SOE has been in the online market for 2x as long as MS or Live.

Gotta look at the facts.
*The PS3s processor is in fact more powerful than the 360s. In a sense, not as fast, but can handle more throughput (ie. textures and higher quality video).


RE: Sony and MS
By christojojo on 7/11/2007 11:56:00 AM , Rating: 3
I agree. My brother is a console slut. He's bought every fairly successful console (except Dreamcast which is debatable about being a success). He refused to buy the PS3 because of price and because of similar game line ups. But with the price cut and other incentives he's wavering (of course the divorce left him without the Xbox 360 (lol, she doesn't even play))

Still I think allot more are looking at the PS3 and the RRoD has people worried.


RE: Sony and MS
By Funksultan on 7/11/2007 3:16:42 PM , Rating: 1
Don't sweat it. Any way people wanna cut it, the numbers are speaking for themselves... Camaro above may wanna browse the sales figures for say, Amazon lately. The PS3 sales are SCREAMING this week. Even all the 360 PR is a little glossy. They REALLY need to do something fast. People (especially here) aren't fooled a lot by new faceplates and controller colors. *grin* The natives want a price drop or a hardware fab change, and they want it yesterday. :)

On a side note, that's how I bit the bullet. CC was nice with the free controller, but you gotta add tax. Amazon is still at $540 with extra controller, free blue ray remote, memento (the movie.. GREAT flick) and the 5 free movies. No tax ftw! Can't beat that with a stick.

D


RE: Sony and MS
By Belard on 7/11/2007 11:23:22 PM , Rating: 2
I wouldn't call it the worst thing... but I thought it was stupid... I've seen lots of complaints of 20GB drives filling up so quick... with patches, saved data, downloaded games or meda - forget loading up your own media files, etc.

A 60GB drive would have been a BiG help over the 20GB mode, while not the expense of the 120GB drive.

But aside from more games needed, the PS3 offers far less cost over a 360... and considering the RROD (A feature not included with SP3) - I've seen constant posts from people wanting to BUY a new xbox360 with FIXED heat issues... they keep posting "65ns version?" etc etc...

Cost of Xbox Prem (pre elit)
$400 + $180 for 120Gb drive upgrade + $80 for wireless networking + $200 for HD-DVD drive = $860!

Far more expensive than the PS3 at $500 or $600... besides not having to carry or pack 1-2 power bricks and parts (wirless adaptor, HD-DVD)... The Elite shaves off $100.

Lucky for MS, the PS3 was late... but I think in the long run, the BluRay may work out. Already, the developer of GTA4 says the 360 is more limited compared to PS3 for their game.


RE: Sony and MS
By BPB on 7/11/2007 9:08:33 AM , Rating: 3
The only reason I don't have a PS3 yet is the poor game selection. But with the new price I may have to get one if for no other reason than to play rented blu-ray movies. And I too am waiting for Burnout Paradise. Absolutely loved Revenge, can't wait for Paradise.


RE: Sony and MS
By Locutus465 on 7/11/2007 5:52:33 PM , Rating: 2
YEAH!! BECAUSE MS IS SELLING CONSOLES LIKE CRAZY WITH ALL THAT...oh..wait...they aren't :P

I've wanted a 360 since it first became available... Today I'm proud to say I have an x-box 1 and a Wii.


RE: Sony and MS
By xphile on 7/11/2007 7:17:38 AM , Rating: 2
I agree entirely. It's just my opinion mind. But this to me reeks of well shit we had this like $50 - $75 US price cut all lined up and then realized that we weren't going to get past E3 without dealing with our new title of the "Lord Of The Red Rings" and trying to put that right. We tried to develop a new game based on red rings... but Peter said he wasn't up for it, something about a bad mental picture of anal bleeding...

We can't put a billion or so aside and give a price cut so we better come up with something else real quick - "Hey yeah, is that the Graphics Department? Yeah this is Balmer, color match me a quart of Halo green console paint in a hurry, take some pictures of the dude in the suit and get him to grunt a few times into a microphone, we got a minor marketing emergency I need to take care of..."

There, all sorted. And in the future when we do go to 65nm and shrink the box, and these crisis hit, we wont even need as much paint, win - win.

Love the 360, awesome games compared to the PS3 so far - but geez don't in make you wonder who is sitting at the wheel and what drugs they're on?


RE: Sony and MS
By Slappi on 7/11/2007 9:21:32 AM , Rating: 3
I think we all know who's on the drugs. ;) ;) ^^


RE: Sony and MS
By colonelclaw on 7/11/2007 7:21:30 AM , Rating: 5
wow - it's like they took a fairly average, but non unattractive, lump of plastic, and made it look as if someone threw up on it and then covered it in the finest deseased nose mucus

how can it possibly fail to sell?


RE: Sony and MS
By Cygni on 7/11/2007 11:59:54 AM , Rating: 3
There is no reason for Microsoft to drop the price on the 360. It is still dominating the sales in its marketplace, and the PS3's price drop will have little to no effect. The PS3 is failing in the market because of its games. It has little to do with either the price or capabilities of the console.

If the PS3 begins to gain momentum, a reactionary price cut is possible... but now is not the time, with Halo 3 and many other huge titles right on the horizion. It will take time for the PS3 to tear any marketshare back from MS, and in the meantime, MS will keep the price right where they are.

Also, the 360 will never drop to a price point to compete with the Wii. The Wii is targeted at a completly different market and although they do overlap and compete for some segments, neither is targeting the others share at this point. The 360 is too expensive to produce and complex, and the Wii too underpowered for either company to push into the others arenas.


RE: Sony and MS
By 16nm on 7/11/2007 5:52:22 PM , Rating: 2
This one's too funny to ignore...

quote:
It's like they're having a contest to see who can be more stupid .

It's like they're having a contest to see who can be stupider .


Hideous
By Operandi on 7/11/2007 3:50:36 AM , Rating: 5
I'd be embarrassed to have this abomination in my home.

Take a cue from Sony on this one; if the PS3 is nothing else it is a fine looking piece of hardware.




RE: Hideous
By OblivionMage on 7/11/2007 6:45:13 AM , Rating: 2
It might actually look cool in real life, you know, for Halo zealots like me ;P


RE: Hideous
By PaxtonFettel on 7/11/2007 6:50:32 AM , Rating: 2
Are you serious?
You'd rather have a George Foreman grill under your telly than something that looks like a console?


RE: Hideous
By killerroach on 7/11/2007 8:03:43 AM , Rating: 5
The PS3 may be an odd-looking piece of kit, but this Halo 3 version of the 360 looks like a Gucci handbag mated with a Dustbuster.

360 in White - Looks pretty decent
360 in Black - Looks quite good
360 in... whatever that is... - Not so much.


RE: Hideous
By deeznuts on 7/11/2007 1:08:05 PM , Rating: 2
I think The 360 looks horrendous. The black one looks decent and is the only one I'm considering as soon as the 65nm comes out. This green one looks like the girl from the Excorcist threw up all over it.

I think the PS3 looks nice. Stand it up facing sideways (East to West) and you don't see any hint of a george foreman grill (first time I've heard that, it's funny cuz it does resemble the shape).


MicroSh!te
By fuzzedup on 7/11/07, Rating: 0
RE: MicroSh!te
By Christopher1 on 7/11/2007 5:52:43 AM , Rating: 2
Really, Microsoft needs to focus on a total re-design of the XBox360: beefing up heatsinks and fans, fixing the RRoD problems, and a bunch of other things.

They also need to drop the price of the XBox360, because it is still priced exceptionally high compared to the PS3 and what you get with it.


RE: MicroSh!te
By tuteja1986 on 7/11/2007 6:25:39 AM , Rating: 2
Revision is coming arround when Halo 3 release. Its got a 65nm CPU/GPU. Cutting the power requirement by almost half. The revision model "Falcon" is under testing at moment and will be out soon. So you can wait for few months and get that model.


RE: MicroSh!te
By OblivionMage on 7/11/2007 6:43:21 AM , Rating: 2
In terms of hardware I consider the 360 to be ahead, if not at par with the PS3, with more RAM bandwidth and options. Plus it is not ridiculous to program games for it unlike the PS3.


RE: MicroSh!te
By cbo on 7/11/2007 7:41:59 AM , Rating: 1
The PS3 has a built in failure feature that causes games to lockup to prevent overheating. I guess it is cool to try to prevent further damage but it could be just as annoying as the RROD when in the middle of what few games you can play on the thing.

Also the 80 gig version of the PS3 is silly to me. I was hopping they would have just sold a version without the card readers and possibly no hard drive and let you buy your own.


RE: MicroSh!te
By alifbaa on 7/11/2007 8:14:09 AM , Rating: 2
It is only annoying if the console actually overheats on a regular basis. Your computer has the same feature, and it's probably never been used. From the sound of it, I'd say you could put your PS3 in a closed cabinet and play it like crazy without overheating it. For the 360, that would be a recipe for disaster.


RE: MicroSh!te
By OxBow on 7/11/2007 1:16:33 PM , Rating: 3
While it might have that feature, I've yet to see it in action. I've run my PS3 nearly constantly for the past 8 months. Half of that was within an enclosed, glass fronted TV cabinet. I've gotten it hot enough to actually hear the fan (which is variable speed controlled by an on board thermometer). With that much abuse, it's not even come close to overheating and still works great. I don't particularly care for the black color, but other than that, the PS3 is a fine machine.

My 360 is ugly by comparison. I've thought about painting it, but that would void the warrantee. This Halo edition is even uglier. I didn't think that was possible. I'm not sure what all the rage over Halo is about, but obviously there are some nuts out there who would pay for this. It doesn't seem like this would quite cover being one of the centerpoints of MS's E3 presentation. Heck, passing out Ben Franklins at the door would have probably been cheaper and garnered a better response.


RE: MicroSh!te
By deeznuts on 7/11/2007 1:10:04 PM , Rating: 2
An overheat protection scheme is as annoying as a RROD which causes you to return and await a refurbished machine? I haven't heard everything but your statement makes me pretty damn close.

And my PS3 has locked up once in 8 months.


Ewww
By Soulxlight on 7/11/2007 4:11:15 AM , Rating: 2
Jeez . . . is that what Microsoft think will "fight" the PS3 price cut ? An ugly Halo paintjob ? I mean God forbid you use orange on anything . . . Guess it can stand for Halloween also. Now the PS3 is coming into its own . . . it is looking very attractive, especially with WarHawk looming.




RE: Ewww
By OblivionMage on 7/11/2007 6:49:44 AM , Rating: 2
I have a feeling this was not Microsofts 'fighting' of the PS3, and something that has been in the works for a while. Now most peoples first reaction is that its "Absolutely HIDEOUS", yet it is themed towards Halo 3 and actually looks quite nice. A pricecut will probably be announced before Christmas, or whenever they switch to 65nm.
They aren't going to pricecut right now, when they figure they might actually start making money on the 360 with Halo 3 being released.


HDMI standard?
By MonkeyPaw on 7/11/2007 7:49:25 AM , Rating: 2
I notice that it's a 20GB model but has HDMI. I wonder if all the Premiums will be going to the HDMI form factor on (or before) 9/25? Also, they aren't talking price yet, and this model coincides with the Halo3 launch. Perhaps a bundle deal is coming, so that's why they aren't talking about prices?




RE: HDMI standard?
By MonkeyPaw on 7/11/2007 11:50:15 AM , Rating: 2
Looks like DT might think so, too:
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=8003


Hideous
By zaki on 7/11/2007 6:10:40 AM , Rating: 3
As hideous as this looks, i know people will buy it.

I had always thought that the name "xbox" was a LOT worse than the actual piece of hardware, but now i think the name is apt.

couldn't they get some designers to make this thing look half decent, this looks like a ninja turtle themed toy for 8 year olds.




Ah.
By NuclearDelta on 7/11/2007 4:43:05 AM , Rating: 2
I see the parallel between the new Halo and the Xbox360.

One is armor-clad in a new shell, and so is the other.

I wonder though, when you run out of ammo on halo you have to reload, does that mean that the Red-Ring_of_death is the ammunition indicator in which you have to reload through the Microsoft repair division?

Come on Microsoft, announce the hardware change that counts: the re-designed 65nm based 360. Don't let the memory of my deceased first Xbox360 fall to the wayside, regardless of how good your support has been thus far. Fix the issue, please.




Xbox lost it...
By Nik00117 on 7/11/2007 6:17:16 AM , Rating: 2
At first Xbox dominated the scence, however with their recent hardware issues they've lost it.

My buddy was considering buying a xbox 360 but after hearing about its high rate of failure opted to go with the PS3.

M$ needs to understand slapping a paint job onto a box and controller is easy, any body with the ability to paint could do the same thing. We aren't talking some revoluationary.

O BTW I think its funny Wii is just sitting back owning the market going "Yup, we won"




Idea
By webdawg77 on 7/11/2007 8:10:23 AM , Rating: 2
It should have been a Red vs Blue themed Halo 3 Xbox 360. In this, you could choose between a Red 360, controllers, and accessories with the various red team members / logos or a Blue 360, controllers, and accessories with the various blue team members / logos. That would look so much better than the classic "Spartan Green".




I want a Red One
By Zigazoid on 7/11/2007 8:41:42 AM , Rating: 2
That way when it gets a RROD it will just blend in with the console so you can think everything is working as it supposed to be. Just like the way Microsoft wants us all to believe.

On a serious note, I do like my 360 but the PS3 is a better value at its current price point. If Sony can get their software library in order they should catch up to MS very quickly.




Bad news...
By Acanthus on 7/11/2007 8:51:42 AM , Rating: 2
Ive been waiting 2 years to buy a 360 on 65nm that doesnt fall apart for under $400.

The game titles are appealing, but its just too expensive for what it is.

As an avid console and PC gamer ive been leaning tword the PC with the new generation of consoles, $500 video card in an already good PC is better than a $500 console i can play 4 or 5 games i want on... if i buy more controllers and other add-ons.

The price of entry is just too high, without a price drop ill wind up getting one used for $200 when its EOL.




No need for a price drop
By shaw on 7/11/2007 12:30:02 PM , Rating: 2
As long as Microsoft keeps a stream of good games coming out then there is no need for a price drop and they won't drop the price.

If PS3 had a stream of great exclusive games coming out then the high price would be justified. Unfortunately, this is not true.




Color
By gus6464 on 7/11/2007 12:32:11 PM , Rating: 2
My dog was sick last week and his poop was the same color as this new xbox.




Typo
By ahsalloum on 7/11/2007 8:01:02 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
For those who must have all things Halo 3, GameStop will is also selling an appropriately themed Halo 3 Zune music player.


Typo here, dude.

This sucks! I kind of expected a 65nm chip-based machine or a solution to RROD.




Microsoft is doomed!
By LiptonGreenTea on 7/11/07, Rating: -1
RE: Microsoft is doomed!
By energy1man on 7/11/2007 11:52:56 AM , Rating: 3
.........except games! Apparently hardly important for a next gen gaming system.


RE: Microsoft is doomed!
By alifbaa on 7/11/2007 2:34:37 PM , Rating: 2
The games issue has been due to the poor sales and the fact that the PS3 hasn't been on the market for much more than 8 months.

For the first issue, if M$ doesn't do something soon, they're going to have real trouble on their hands. Anyone interested in HDMI will be buying the PS3 starting tomorrow. M$ either needs to add HDMI to the premium or drop the price closer to the Wii. My guess is that for the next month, M$ will wait and see what happens. We'll likely see HDMI'd Premiums for $50 less with 65nm starting in the early to mid fall. If they do that, I think the 360 will remain the leader between the two high-end gaming platforms. If they don't it'll be fun to watch this forum turn against the 360 the same way it's against the PS3 right now.


RE: Microsoft is doomed!
By energy1man on 7/11/2007 5:18:48 PM , Rating: 2
I am not really against the PS3. The price cut will most likely boost its sales. Hopefully people who buy it will be rewarded with a better and bigger game selection. In the end it really does not matter whether the 360 or the PS3 sells more units than the other, but whether each sell enough units that each can sustain a large enough development community to supply said games to the people who bought their respective consoles.

That being said I feel the lack of titles for the PS3 cannot be dependent on its 8 months on the market. The PS3
was supposed to be released around the time of the 360, so the software developers should have started off on equal footing. The fact that the PS3 was delayed for "hardware" reasons should have given them that much more time to polish
their launch titles. The dearth of titles is more related to poor sales, due to a poorer game selection and too steep a price. They have addressed the price issue, hopefully for the PS3 they will address the software issue.


"Paying an extra $500 for a computer in this environment -- same piece of hardware -- paying $500 more to get a logo on it? I think that's a more challenging proposition for the average person than it used to be." -- Steve Ballmer














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