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"Yippee-ki-yay, Mr. Falcon." Microsoft prepares 65nm chips for Xbox 360

When it comes to Microsoft's Xbox 360, Dean Takahashi always seems to have the inside scoop. He was the first to spill the beans on Xbox 360 IPTV and provided confirmation on the existence of the Xbox 360 Elite.

Today, Takahashi confirmed that Microsoft's upcoming 65nm die shrink for the Xbox 360's microprocessor and GPU is codenamed "Falcon." Takahashi reports that Microsoft is currently qualifying the new Falcon chips along with a redesigned motherboard. The 65nm-equipped Xbox 360s are due to hit store shelves this fall.

The new chips are not only smaller and roughly 50 percent cheaper to produce than their 90nm counterpart, but they are also cooler. Cooler-running chips coupled with a revised cooling solution would go a long way to eradicating the Xbox 360’s fatal flaw: the Red Ring of Death (RROD).

Heat has been a big problem with the Xbox 360 and has been the root cause of RROD cases around the globe. Microsoft has countered the RROD failures by increasing the warranty of the console, adding various "warranty enhancements" and beefed up cooling solutions on new production Xbox 360 units.

Microsoft ultimately caved in to mounting pressure from the Xbox 360 community on RROD failures and announced a $1 billion initiative to service Xbox 360s afflicted with the problem and extended warranty coverage for those machines to three years.

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just me?
By omnicronx on 7/9/2007 2:29:46 PM , Rating: 2
is it just the people i know, or am i the only one that has seen just as many unable to read disc errors on the 360 than the red ring of death? Out of all my friends with xbox360's, only one has experienced the dreaded RROD. weirdly enough though 7 out of 10 of us have had problems with their 360's but not with rrod but the xbox was unable to read certain discs (especially rented games) and would actually what sounded like over spin the disc and make it fly off the tray while in the drive, causing the disc to scratch each time i went back to dashboard or the 360 was on for more than 30 minutes.

My point here is are warped pcb's the only big problem like we are made to believe, i have not heard a thing in the past few weeks about this with their 1 billion dollar warranties and i was just wondering whats up.

RE: just me?
By SirLucius on 7/9/2007 2:34:30 PM , Rating: 2
As far as I know the extended warranty only covers the RRoD. I know there were several people that were concerned that the warranty didn't cover disc errors since they are apparently just as common. Luckily my brothers 360 hasn't had any problems (knock on wood), and I've only known one person that's gotten a RRoD.

On a separate note, once these new "Falcon" 360's come out, I might pick up my own Elite. Although right now I'm leaning towards the PS3 once the price drops.

RE: just me?
By zombiexl on 7/9/2007 2:37:55 PM , Rating: 2
I have a 360 + HD-DVD and a Wii and I'm considering the PS3 after this drop as well. You really cant beat it for a media player.

Although, if you are looking for lots of games you may wait to see what MS does to the 360 prices (they have to do something) because they do have a nice catalog of games.

RE: just me?
By geeg on 7/9/07, Rating: -1
RE: just me?
By Sparke on 7/9/2007 4:37:21 PM , Rating: 2
Lots of problems? Like what? It's difficult to find any negatives when it comes to the PS3 hardware. The return\RMA rate is ridiculously low.

RE: just me?
By MrPickins on 7/9/2007 4:42:51 PM , Rating: 2
ps3's have a lot of problems as well.

From what I hear PS3's have a much lower failure rate than the 360.

What problems are you referring to?

RE: just me?
By Rampage on 7/9/07, Rating: 0
RE: just me?
By Hawkido on 7/16/2007 1:27:21 PM , Rating: 2
Overall unattractive console

That's an opinion, some share it. I happen to like the gloss black, if only they could have made it dust repellant *SIGH*

non-industry standard HD format

LOL Blu-RAY has more Block buster movies out on it (pun intended) and more film studios support it and it is currently winning in sales (tho just barely). That makes it a Non-Industry Standard? It is a recognized industry standard standard, you do know that, RIGHT?

RE: just me?
By bkm32 on 7/10/2007 12:21:12 PM , Rating: 2
OK, that's enough. MS shills, you may leave, now.

RE: just me?
By omnicronx on 7/9/2007 2:55:31 PM , Rating: 2
I wasnt really worried about warrenty as i bought mine off ebay for 450CAD 5 months after release (it was new/sealed but serial was cut out). I was more wondering why so many articles have come out in the past month about '30% defect rate' and not once has it mentioned anything other than RROD, i just wonder if these are included in those numbers??
I guess disc unreadable some of the time isnt considered a failed xbox but it would be interesting to know if with those included if the xbox's fail rate would be higher.. maybe closer to 40 or 50% heh

RE: just me?
By SirLucius on 7/9/2007 3:00:10 PM , Rating: 2
I know that some people have had the disc problem fixed under Microsoft warranty, but I think they had really bad cases. It doesn't seem like Microsoft is treating the disc errors like the RRoD though. I think people tend to be SOL.

RE: just me?
By Rockjock51 on 7/10/2007 3:06:34 AM , Rating: 2
Microsoft fixed my read errors without much trouble... just called them and said I couldn't play anything cause the DVD drive wouldn't read nearly anything I put in it. They ran through their usual stupid routine .. "Have you restarted the console?" and then let me send it in.

RE: just me?
By webdawg77 on 7/9/2007 2:53:29 PM , Rating: 2
I know exactly what you mean. My GoW has become almost unplayable because of the "rings" on the disc. I can most assuredly say that I was not moving my 360 around while playing the game. My 360 has also always been in the horizontal position.

I am in the process of doing the disc exchange through Microsoft to get a new GoW disc. I wish that they would admit there is a possibility that the 360 came out too early. I hope that the new 360's also have a better disc drive. I guess this is the price for beta testing and having the "latest and greatest" early on.

RE: just me?
By InsaneGain on 7/10/2007 1:46:17 PM , Rating: 2
My cousin's XBox360 will not read his GoW disc anymore. He thought it was because there is a very tiny scratch in the disc that you can barely see.

RE: just me?
By Zigazoid on 7/9/2007 3:10:27 PM , Rating: 2
No I've had two friends who have had their videocards inside the 360 fail.

Personally I'm hoping for the red rings since my 1 year warranty is up and my 360 has now started to display a nice horitzonal purple line whenever I use it. Having that fixed will cost me $99.00

The first batch of 360's seem to have all sorts of issues besides the red rings, though the latter is the most prevelant.

RE: just me?
By omnicronx on 7/9/2007 3:31:51 PM , Rating: 2
i dont think their videocards 'died' as you say.. it was probably the same rrod issue. I have opened my 360 up and unless the video chips are not cooled (which i really doubt), the chips are cased under the same heatsync as the cpu's, so im guessing the pcb warped just like in almost all of RROD cases.

RE: just me?
By sxr7171 on 7/10/2007 12:32:16 AM , Rating: 2
Wow you posted what happened to you and people rated you down? Fanboys. Anyway, scratched discs happen all the time to my friends with their 360s. 3 of them have needed replacements to their consoles, but the new ones don't scratch discs anymore. I'm waiting for the new SKU to come out before I get mine, because the system does have some good games out for it.

RE: just me?
By wallijonn on 7/10/2007 11:26:47 AM , Rating: 2
the xbox was unable to read certain discs (especially rented games) and would actually what sounded like over spin the disc and make it fly off the tray while in the drive, causing the disc to scratch each time i went back to dashboard or the 360 was on for more than 30 minutes.

But is it because the rented discs were damaged in the first place? If my DVD movies rentals are any indication, the fault lies with kids and people who scratch the discs, who change them with candied fingers, etc. I usually end up cleaning about 20% of all my rentals. And yes, I've rented plenty of DVD movies which have not been able to play.

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