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Rate plans start at $59.99 plus a one time activation fee of $36

The launch of Apple's iPhone is just days away and people are already starting to camp out for the next "it" device. Close to 400,000 units could be up for grabs on launch day from 162 Apple Store and roughly 1,800 AT&T locations.

In the mean time, Apple has been trickling out little tidbits of information regarding the iPhone to keep interest high. Over the past week, we’ve learned that the iPhone will ship with YouTube integration along with a higher-capacity battery and a 3.5” display screen with “optical-quality glass.”

Today, Apple and AT&T announced three rate plans that will be available for the iPhone.

"We want to make choosing a service plan simple and easy, so every plan includes unlimited data with direct Internet access, along with Visual Voicemail and a host of other goodies," said Apple CEO Steve Jobs. "We think these three plans give customers the flexibility to experience all of iPhone’s revolutionary features at affordable and competitive prices."

The entry-level $59.99 plan will get you 450 anytime minutes along with 5,000 nights and weekend minutes. Stepping up to the $79.99 plan will get you 900 anytime minutes and unlimited nights and weekends. The top-level $99 plan gets you 1350 anytime minutes and unlimited nights and weekends.

All rate plans allow for unlimited data (email and web), Visual Voicemail, 200 SMS text messages, unlimited mobile-to-mobile and rollover minutes.

Also noted in the press release is that a one-time activation fee of $36 will be charged for the iPhone. Given the extremely high interest level for the iPhone, it's likely that not many will bat an eye at the charge which would usually irritate consumers.

In addition, Apple and AT&T also announced that new iPhone users will be able to activate their phone through iTunes -- there is no need to wait at the store to go through the activation process.

"Users will be able to activate their new iPhone in the comfort and privacy of their own home or office, without having to wait in a store while their phone is activated," said Jobs. "There are tens of millions of people in the US who already know how to sync their iPods with iTunes, and syncing their new iPhone with iTunes works the same way."

"iPhone’s user-driven activation is another example of how AT&T and Apple have partnered to bring innovative new features to our customers," said AT&T chairman and CEO Randall Stephenson. "iPhone’s innovative activation and sync is just one example of how this is going to be a real industry game-changer."

Apple’s iPhone will be priced at $499 for the 4GB model and at $599 for the 8GB model -- both require a two-year service agreement.

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By SandmanWN on 6/26/2007 12:28:34 PM , Rating: 5
I'm going to go ahead and predict that the iPhone turns out to be a disaster. Not because it doesn't have great features mind you, but that another company will bring just as many features at a fraction of the price. I mean come on...
$500 - 4GB
$60 - 450 minutes
$36 - activation
=$596 for a phone and a horrible calling plan.

Top of the line...
$600 - 8GB
$100 - 1350 minutes
$36 - activation

This thing trumps the PS3 in price!!! How ridiculous is that for a mere phone?

RE: absurd
By Rotkiv on 6/26/2007 12:31:32 PM , Rating: 2
Apple’s iPhone will be priced at $499 for the 4GB model and at $599 for the 8GB model -- both require a two-year service agreement.

Why are 'we' paying an extra $100 for 4 gigs of memory?

RE: absurd
By GlassHouse69 on 6/26/2007 8:04:56 PM , Rating: 4
because youre a fucking lemming.

jobs says to jump, you jump. now get back in your hole.

heil jobs!

RE: absurd
By Alexvrb on 6/26/2007 10:21:56 PM , Rating: 2

RE: absurd
By InternetGeek on 6/27/2007 2:40:49 AM , Rating: 2
jobs says jump and you ask how high and how many times. or more applied to the case: pay an activation fee from the itunes store. that way we get you signed up for that as well.

RE: absurd
By AmbroseAthan on 6/26/2007 12:32:45 PM , Rating: 3
And in other news, "In a sly move by Microsoft, the Apple iPhone does not have WHQL certification for Windows Vista, so Vista users are SOL" ;-)

But in agreement with SandmanWN; the prices for the phone and then the plan are absolutely ridiculously high. The ~$60 plan is terrible for what you get.

Does anyone know if family plans will be able to add in the iPhone? That is the only way I could see these becoming more reasonable.

RE: absurd
By crimson117 on 6/26/2007 12:48:13 PM , Rating: 1
The ~$60 plan is terrible for what you get.

I think it's actually quite competetive.

$40 for 450 minutes plus some text messages included, unlimited mobile to mobile, fair amount of nights and weekends minutes. This is pretty standard, although many carriers offer unlimited nights and weekends.

Then $20 for the unlimited data plan. Most companies charge $30 or more per month for unlimited data.

RE: absurd
By FITCamaro on 6/26/2007 4:14:42 PM , Rating: 3
Sprint which has far better data speeds only charges $10-15 a month for its unlimited data services for phones.

RE: absurd
By Treckin on 6/26/2007 4:41:17 PM , Rating: 2
Sprint is by FAR the best carrier for both data and voice...
If people know their history and market, verizon, ATT/Cingular, metro PCS, Boost, Cricket, et all, run their networks over sprint cables... Sprint stands roughly for Southern Pacific Rail and Information Telesystems... Almost 90 percent of the optic and copper datalines run under Southern Pacific railroads lines. While many/most carriers fight over location of transmitter towers, all of the data leaving the tower travels over a sprint backbone...

Sprint used to be Bell Communications for anyone who remembers them... Bought in liquedation by SPR

Anyhow, all the other wireless carriers were fed up with apples preening and self importance, and told them to go fuck themselves. ATT/Cingular is hoping that the IPhone will revitalize their failing company.

The only reasons I could see the IPhone taking off are:
1. IFLOCK. Never underestimate the herding behavior if the human being.
2. Simple sync of the phone though Itunes, which everybody has. Most phones are in the suck when it comes to syncing with a PC.

RE: absurd
By AlexWade on 6/26/2007 5:28:07 PM , Rating: 2
Sprint is by FAR the best carrier for both data and voice...

That was the funniest thing I've seen all day. I can give you the numbers of several unhappy Sprint customers. I've only met 1 happy Sprint customers, and that was only because he wanted a specific phone. Sprint is, by miles, the WORST carrier ever. I have a friend who has Nextel. Pre-Sprint, it worked great. Post-Sprint, 95% of my calls to his phone go to voice mail. I often asked him if he heard the phone ring. His answer was always no. His wife says the same things. I have more. And they ALL complain about Sprint nickel-and-diming them to death.

Landline quality has nothing to do with cellular quality.

RE: absurd
By darkpaw on 6/26/2007 5:50:21 PM , Rating: 2
This I have to agree with. If I relied on my Sprint phone for business I would have serious issues. At least have my calls never ring on the phone and half the time I'm roaming on Verizon even in a major city. Since its only for personal calls and the data works very good anytime I'm not roaming, I'm happy with what I pay.

Sprints quality of service blows though, at least in the DC area. I had T-mobile for years and got much better service, but their dataplans were insanely expensive and the data is more important to me then the voice quality.

RE: absurd
By retrospooty on 6/26/2007 6:57:55 PM , Rating: 2
Cellular quality is really regionally based... All these carriers are pasted together from previous companies that covered different regions. So the quality of service (both phone/data and customer service) all depends on where you live for any of the major carriers. You both may be correct.

RE: absurd
By RjBass on 6/27/2007 10:36:12 AM , Rating: 2
This is true, because where I live, Kansas City (home of Sprint), Sprint service is excellent. But then again I am with AT&T/Cingular because of better prices, and I don't have problems with it either. I rarely find myself in an area where I don't have service. Even my 3g service is excellent.

RE: absurd
By Hydrofirex on 6/26/2007 8:58:06 PM , Rating: 2
Have to agree with you about Nextel before and after Sprint. I worked for Them just before the buy out. I had unlimited minutes and internet, and I used the hell out of it. It was by far the BEST service. It was like selling water because the brand really had a reputation of quality behind it. At the time they were doing very well: they had the highest average monthly customer charge, the lowest churn, good customer service ratings, and a rapidly growing user base. I bought a little employee stock which more than doubled while I was employed there. The whole empire hinged on Direct Connect though - something you don't even hear about any more. For some reason the Walkie-Talkie feature which made Nextel has lapsed into oblivion with Sprint "Together with Nextel" (Our totally silent partner who we locked in a room and don't feed.)

It's sad, becuase to be perfectly honest the largest number of people who came into that store looking to switch - by far - came from Sprint. I've always laughed that they all got sucked back in, so to speak.

Nextel was definitely the best carrier to be with. You got paid well, unlimited minutes, you got a free phone and super cheap top-end phones, and they even had good health and commission rates. On top of that they had that killer service and brand loyalty. Especially in coprorate, construction, government, and education....

I have a feeling they just didn't have the money and resources to compete in the next-gen wireless network game. That, or the someone cashed out.


RE: absurd
By bigboxes on 6/26/2007 9:32:04 PM , Rating: 5
Ok, enough with the Sprint bashing. I am in the Dallas area and have had Sprint for 8 years. While not perfect, their service is a lot better than their competition. My calls sound clear and strong. Whenever someone who is not on Sprint calls I can immediately tell the difference. AT&T voice quality flat out sucks. Sprint has the fastest data speeds although I rarely use the phone's browser when I'm out, just use it to connect my laptop when out on the road. The only thing that Sprint could improve on is the phone selection. As far as Nextel goes... couldn't tell ya there, but I am guessing they'll faze out the Nextel brand within five years. As for the "walkie-talkie" feature, I'm sure it's great for when you are doing on-site construction or are out on the factory floor. But when you see morons using it to carry on a conversation at a sit-down restaurant or in line at the grocery store you just want to run the retards over with your cart. It's bad enough that idiots talk on cell phones everywhere. Now just throw in that stupid "walkie-talkie" feature and it goes something like this...

Idiot 1: *BLEE-BEEEP* Hey, what are you doing?
Idiot 2: *BLEE-BEEEP* Hey, standing in line at Wal-Mart.
Idiot 2: *BLEE-BEEEP* What are you doing?
Idiot 1: *BLEE-BEEEP* At AMC watching a movie.
Idiot 2: *BLEE-BEEEP* What are you watching?
Idiot 1: *BLEE-BEEEP* Some movie with Robert DiNiro. Just a second... WHY DON'T YOU SHUTUP?...
Idiot 1: *BLEE-BEEEP* Ok, I'm back. Some loser was getting in my face while I'm trying to watch the movie.
Idiot 2: *BLEE-BEEEP* I hear ya homie. Look I gotta go. I can't hear what the checkout girl wants.
Idiot 2: *BLEE-BEEEP* I'll call you back once I get to the restroom. I gotta go reeeal bad.
Idiot 1: *BLEE-BEEEP* Werrrd. Latez.

RE: absurd
By Devo2007 on 6/27/2007 4:38:44 AM , Rating: 3
You've just illustrated quite well the reason why I loathe the walkie-talkie service.

It's bad enough hearing one person shouting into their phone -- it's a million times worse to hear the other side at maximum volume (and the annoying beep that precedes each message).

RE: absurd
By BillyBatson on 6/26/2007 9:08:20 PM , Rating: 2
I totally disagree with you! I had Cingular (Pacbell) back int he day and before that AT&T. My Mom went from being with AT&T for 5 years to Nextel. My dad had Pacbell (cingular), Sprint, and is now very unhappily with T-Mobile. My sister left Nextel and is with me now on Sprint. Sprint is by far the best service we have ever had!!!!!!!!!! They did screw with my dad several times but it was all mistakes that were quickly fixed but due to that and him wanting more minutes with his GF he switched to tmobile. I am VERY happy with sprint, I get coverage nearly everywhere (except a 1 hour stretch on the 10 in Texas, data is the best, plan pricing is a little high but competitive.
I LOVE SPRINT!!!! and no iphone will get me to switch even though in the last 2 years phone quality itself has dropped on their service, they went from having the best phones to nothing. I had the Samsung Blade for the last 1.5 years and now have the Samsung Upstage. Been with them 3 years and counting.

RE: absurd
By djc208 on 6/28/2007 2:08:32 PM , Rating: 2
I have to agree, I've had Sprint for about five years now and while I won't sing their praises from a rooftop they've been good to me. Their pricing is some of the better I've seen, coverage might not be as good as Verison but it works just everywhere I need it to. Best part is they'll through out some decent extras to get you to re-sign. I've gotten a few free upgrades to my calling plan over the years to renew my contract.
I do wish the phone selection was better but part of that is me, I can't have a camera phone at work, so a lot of the ones I like I can't get unless I don't take them to work (which kind of defeats the purpose of having a cell).

RE: absurd
By FITCamaro on 6/27/2007 7:08:20 AM , Rating: 2
I have Verizon btw. We had Sprint but for some reason in my parents house we couldn't get a signal. Just there. I could be under the building of where I worked at the time and get a signal, but not at my parents house. So we switched. Verizon is just as good as Sprint though. I worked for Sprint as a sales rep though for a year in college and found out all the nasty secrets that the other carriers don't tell you (Verizon didn't have any). I'll never use Cingular/AT&T or T-Mobile.

RE: absurd
By Schrag4 on 6/27/2007 9:54:21 AM , Rating: 2
I find it interesting how people say one service stinks and another rules. Call my cynical, but I basically view all cell companies as the same. Sure their rates differ and the coverages differ, but in the end, a lot of people will be satisfied but some will be screwed over royally.

About verizon: A co-worker of mine had a terrible time with Verizon's customer support. Short story is that they payed their bill via bill-pay at their bank, and Verizon could find no record of it (even though they took the money). He jumped through hoops for months obtaining data from their bank, etc, but in the end Verizon would never accept the data that THEY REQUESTED as proof that they paid. They even called corporate headquarters and the person they talked too laughed at them when they suggested legal action because they Verizon has an army of lawyers and they're just some peeved customers. Their customer support even told them to 'F Off'. No kidding.

So maybe your verizon service is great, but don't get in a dispute with them. You'll get bent over the futon...

None of the companies have a reason to improve their support because they all stink. It's kind of like price fixing. If they all agree to not improve their customer support then none of them have to.

RE: absurd
By cochy on 6/26/2007 7:05:31 PM , Rating: 2
Man...Unlimited data plans don't even exist here in Canada.


RE: absurd
By Devo2007 on 6/27/2007 4:31:36 AM , Rating: 2
....and if it were, we'd be charged $200/month to use it.....and that's probably not exaggerating too much (based on current Canadian data rates)

RE: absurd
By peldor on 6/26/2007 12:52:31 PM , Rating: 2
I would guess the $60 plan is intentionally low on minutes (relative to the typical intended user's needs) to get people to pony up for a higher plan.

RE: absurd
By Phynaz on 6/26/2007 2:15:58 PM , Rating: 2

How much are you paying for an unlimited data plan?

RE: absurd
By Circle T on 6/26/2007 2:32:53 PM , Rating: 4
I pay $65 a month for 500 anytime minutes, and then unlimited EVERYTHING else. Thats unlimited text, IM, mobile-mobile calls, web browsing, pic and video messaging, and GPS use. All while being on a 3G network. This is all with Helio, on my Ocean.

I think the iPhone device prices are fine. Its got a lot of great stuff going on, so thats fine with me. But the plan prices are a bit high. Thats less anytime minutes, a limited number of night and weekend minutes, VERY limited number of texts, and no 3G coverage. No thanks.

I like Apple, and think the phone looks great. But, like many people, I'll wait for version 2.0 at the earliest. Then maybe, once they at least get some 3G in there, it will be worth it for me. Not until then though.

RE: absurd
By Hoser McMoose on 6/27/2007 10:53:21 AM , Rating: 2
a limited number of night and weekend minutes

Is 5,000 minutes really "limited"? I mean, does anyone actually talk on the phone for more then 83 hours a month outside of business hours? That's just a bit shy of 3 hours a day, each and every day of the month.

Maybe it's just me, but I just don't have enough happening in my life to talk to anyone that much! :)

RE: absurd
By Circle T on 6/27/2007 10:52:32 PM , Rating: 1
Is 5,000 minutes a lot? Totally. But, there IS a limit. And, when you work 8-5 M-F like I do, many of the minutes I talk on my cell are during those times. I don't believe I've ever gotten anywhere close to 5,000. But just knowing it won't matter if I do is nice.

I didn't mean that to sound like I was saying its "limited" as in problematic. Just that there IS a limit in their plan, which I do not have. Aside from the 500 anytime minutes I get, every single other use of my phone is unlimited for me. And "UNLIMITED" is much better than "LIMITED" in my book. Regardless of how high the limit is.

RE: absurd
By darkpaw on 6/26/2007 3:05:09 PM , Rating: 3
Actually I'm paying $30 a month for almost the exact same plan from Sprint. 450 minutes, unlimited data/pic/video/mobile-to-mobile, 250 txt messages.

RE: absurd
By gramboh on 6/26/2007 4:22:37 PM , Rating: 2
Unlimited data on a device like this is worth more than it is on your normal cellphone. This will be used for email and 'real' web browsing which use more bandwidth that minibrowsing on a cell phone.

RE: absurd
By darkpaw on 6/26/2007 5:00:03 PM , Rating: 2
Hm, cause the email works fine on my phone. The web browsing leaves a lot too be desired, at least until I hook it up to my laptop and browse for no added fee on a 15" screen.

RE: absurd
By Rugar on 6/27/2007 10:12:42 AM , Rating: 2
I'm using the same plan that darkpaw is (SERO for the win!) with my PPC-6700. Screen-wise, the iPhone isn't much better than my 6700 so it's pretty comparable. $30 for 450 minutes, unlimited mobile to mobile, and unlimited internet. I use my phone for a standalone web browser when I'm waiting somewhere and I tether it to my laptop for internet on the road.

The iPhone is pretty and has lots of nice functions, but those are clearly "early adopter" rate plans. If Cingular ever brings the rate plans down to what I am paying now with Sprint and Apple integrates 3G into the iPhone then I might consider buying one. No way I'd switch right now.

RE: absurd
By Spyvie on 6/26/2007 2:24:35 PM , Rating: 2
As reticent as I am to defend Apple/AT&T, the plan pricing seems reasonable to me.

I’m paying $70 a month for 1000 minutes and unlimited data on my T-Mobile Wing, 39.95 for voice and $29.95 for data. And that doesn’t include SMS, which I use very little with 3 email accounts I have set up on my phone.

I wonder if you can access any POP email from the iPhone?

RE: absurd
By Circle T on 6/26/2007 2:37:21 PM , Rating: 2
I wonder if you can access any POP email from the iPhone?

It will do both POP3 and IMAP.

RE: absurd
By ksherman on 6/26/2007 2:43:12 PM , Rating: 2
I have the Blackberry Minutes and Mail package... $60 a month, unlimited internet, unlimited text messaging (incl IM) and 1000 anytime minutes. Its really the perfect plan for me. My only complaint is that T mobile's internet is not all that fast.

Oh, and T Mobile allows you to tether your phone to your computer for the internet at no additional charge! Basically, I can get internet any where, and I love it!

RE: absurd
By Fenixgoon on 6/26/2007 12:32:57 PM , Rating: 3
i don't think it will be a disaster by any means because apple can market their products so damn well.

i can still wish for failure though :P

RE: absurd
By SandmanWN on 6/26/2007 12:43:44 PM , Rating: 5
Sony needs to put a spy satellite in orbit and train it in on Apple HQ for the next few months. If Apple can sell a ~$700 cellphone better than Sony can sell ~$700 digital entertainment system/BR disk/gaming rig then Sony needs to hijack the Apple marketing group at gun point for about 6 months.

RE: absurd
By crimson117 on 6/26/2007 12:52:27 PM , Rating: 3
Apple can sell a ~$700 cellphone better than Sony can sell ~$700 digital entertainment system/BR disk/gaming rig

Well, almost everyone uses a cell phone these days; not everyone plays console video games.

RE: absurd
By TheDoc9 on 6/26/2007 12:49:12 PM , Rating: 3
I think people will quickly be surprised at how much they HATE fumbling with a touch screen.

RE: absurd
By spacethefinalfrontier101 on 6/26/2007 6:09:04 PM , Rating: 2
Re touch screens: actually I tried a touch screen on an HP notebook and found it not to be an exact science. Deliberate touching several times on the corner of window bar regions to close or alter or hide or move a window. I suppose it can be fine-tuned. I think if the iPhone does not use windows that problem is solved. Otherwise, touch panels seem exciting enough on microwave ovens & touch screens long-overdue for phones. Blackberry's mouse roller drives an average guy crazy and it looks like she's stroking a device! Of course finger scrolling...

RE: absurd
By fic2 on 6/26/2007 12:55:21 PM , Rating: 2
My current sprint deal cost me $30 for 500 anytime minutes, unlimited night/weekend, unlimited internet (I think - never actually used this). Of course, I don't have an iPown.

And, if you look at the life of the contract for a base iPhone and crappy plan you pay $1976 for the basic up to $3036 for the all in.

RE: absurd
By fic2 on 6/26/2007 12:57:37 PM , Rating: 2
Oh, I also get 500 text messages and unlimited in network calls. Plus some other crap I never use.

RE: absurd
By Aikouka on 6/26/2007 2:02:51 PM , Rating: 2
I'm with cingular (The new AT&T!) and as someone mentioned in another comment, their plans may not be as competitive as the one that you're mentioning here. For their $69.99 plan, I get the same thing except I pay for data (i.e. same plan - unlimited data) and pay $40 a month (excluding corporate discounts). It's actually not that bad if you compare it to Cingular's current plans.

RE: absurd
By michael2k on 6/26/07, Rating: -1
RE: absurd
By Phynaz on 6/26/2007 2:18:25 PM , Rating: 2
I predict you are totally wrong.

You're just used to the crap that you get for "free" from the phone company. Remember the saying "you get what you pay for"? It holds true.

RE: absurd
By 91TTZ on 6/26/2007 3:24:51 PM , Rating: 2
Remember the saying "you get what you pay for"? It holds true.

You need to be a smart shopper. If you're smart, you can get what you pay for. If you're not, you'll pay more because you're a gullible fool.

RE: absurd
By walk2k on 6/26/2007 5:16:33 PM , Rating: 2
"We want to make choosing a service plan simple and easy, so every plan includes unlimited data with direct Internet access,

Translation: We wanted to make sure everyone had the chance to purchase our overpriced music and videos from the Itunes!

RE: absurd
By MADAOO7 on 6/26/2007 7:27:30 PM , Rating: 2
I think you underestimate the power of marketing and brand recognition. BMW is a great example. You have a premium brand that sells on primarily on quality and uses performance as a secondary selling point. Case in point - a new BMW 328i 4 cylinder with a measly 230 hp, at BASE price costs $32,400. With that said, this vehicle continues to sell very well.The point is that it's a luxury item, just like a $700 Coach Bag, or a $10,000 Rolex. People use it for stature. I mean at least this has some practical use. Sure the itemized report of how much the materials costs falls way short of the MSRP. We live in a nation where the greater majority is not as technically savy as this board, and wouldn't know the slightest about 3G, EDGE, or what's a reasonable price of 1 Extra Gig. As a Marketing professional, I find it highly improbable that the iPhone will be a failure, and highly probable that you'll be eating your comments within a few months.

RE: absurd
By Alexvrb on 6/26/2007 11:11:01 PM , Rating: 2
BMW didn't squeeze out 230HP out of a naturally aspirated 4-banger. They're using a 3 liter inline 6. Their 230HP was also eeked out using premium gas, if it was designed to run factory on 87 octane they'd probably be around 215-220. Either way it only puts out 200 ft/lbs of torque. Their twin-turbo version of the same motor does much better at roughly 300HP/300 ft/lbs.

Still, you're right that BMWs are status above speed. So more to the point, 3-series are actually the affordable BMWs. A better BMW to use in this example would be a 5-series, especially the 528. Much higher price tag, extreme bragging rights, power is secondary.

RE: absurd
By walk2k on 6/27/2007 2:38:55 PM , Rating: 2
Why not? Honda makes 237HP all-motor out of their 4-banger.

RE: absurd
By clnee55 on 6/26/2007 11:50:54 PM , Rating: 2
I'm going to go ahead and predict that you will be dead wrong. iPhone will be sold out the first week.

RE: absurd
By jsvalmont on 6/27/2007 4:36:27 AM , Rating: 2
Yeah, and that's not including TAX which will be another $50 on top of that!!

RE: absurd
By msheredy on 6/27/2007 12:11:17 PM , Rating: 2
I'm going to go ahead and predict that the iPhone turns out to be a disaster. Not because it doesn't have great features mind you, but that another company will bring just as many features at a fraction of the price.

This is the case with just about everything that Apple makes. There are several mp3 players with much lower price points and more features, but guess what the iPod is still number 1. The problem with the others is that they aren't cool. Almost all Apple products have the cool factor built in because of their brilliant marketing. Their products are very well built too. Fit and finish are top notch, I have both an HP & MacBook Pro and the Mac is just such a better machine all around.

To say the iPhone will be a disaster will only be true if the network (which hasn't sounded to good so far) brings it down.

RE: absurd
By michael2k on 6/27/2007 3:29:22 PM , Rating: 2
You need to go back to the 1st gen iPod if you want to talk about "several players with much lower price points and more features". All the current contenders (Zune, Zen, Clix, Archos, Sansa) are essentially iPod clones.

Before the iPod changed the landscape, you had the PMPs, PJBs, Nomad Jukeboxes, Yepps, and MDs.

The lower price points you speak of are a market response to Apple's dominance, an attempt to take marketshare away by lowering the price point of entry; the same with additional features.

Apple rose to dominance because they did, from October 2001, have a superior form factor, user interface, and usability compared to the Yepps, Nomads, MDs, PMPs, and PJBs.

So if the iPhone is a success, expect in two years for everyone else to have a touch screen, large screen, keyless form factor. If it is a bust, well, expect no copycats :)

RE: absurd
By eman 7613 on 6/27/2007 6:50:22 PM , Rating: 2
There are Smarphones that are sold to businesses with less then a gig of accessible on board memory, and almost no features other then email and sluggish displays that cost $600 bucks. Apple has just upped the anti, and now people are realizing what they are missing and resenting the price.

RE: absurd
By Ryanman on 6/29/2007 6:44:03 PM , Rating: 1
Yeah that's also for only one month. but with the iPhone you also get...
*an overinflated sense of self-worth
*a piece of electronica that will be obsolete in 6 months
*The ability to practice your screen-washing skills when you realize that "optical quality glass" means "fingerprint magnet"
*a new way to act like a badass apple fan when really, you don't know shit about either them, electronics, computers, or your own sexuality.

What a deal.

Is The iPhone Insecure?
By crystal clear on 6/27/2007 4:11:22 AM , Rating: 2
This is the question, all will be asking very soon-

The phone will use an operating system and a Web browser that have already been available in some form for years, so hackers will have a head start in finding entry points to exploit even before the phone is released. And the iPhone's "closed" operating system makes it impossible to install protection software from security companies like McAfee (nyse: MFE - news - people ) or Symantec (nasdaq: SYMC - news - people ).

Andrew Storms, director of security operations at network security firm nCircle, who called the iPhone a "security nightmare" in a recent post, has gone so far as to post a list of security-related questions that he wants Apple to address in a public forum before organizations "reel this new gadget into" their security policies. To wit:

Is data encrypted while in transit?

Is data encrypted on the device?

Is data encrypted on removable memory?

Is data removed if the device hasn't checked in centrally, hasn't received a policy update within a time window or if battery power is too low?

Is there S/MIME support?

Is there PGP support?

Are there electromagnetic analysis countermeasures?

Are there DRM applications (ability to read, but not forward data)?

Is there user authentication by means of password, passphrase or smart card?

Does the device automatically lock and require authentication to unlock?

Are the encryption keys stored on the devices, and are they also encrypted?

Do the network devices have firewalls?

Are the network interfaces disabled by default, and does the user have the ability to disable at will?

Is there the ability to remotely lock and disable the device?

Is there the ability to remotely wipe and back up data?

Is there the ability to centrally develop and enforce policy settings?

Is there centralized reporting of all device events—calls made, data transferred and usage statistics?
Gartner plans to recommend that businesses don't allow iPhones to come onto their premises.,1895,2149610,

RE: Is The iPhone Insecure?
By hiscross on 6/27/2007 8:04:32 AM , Rating: 1
Apple doesn't own this jerk any response. If he wants answers, then he can buy a iphone or kiss steve's butt in public or what he should actually do is just go away along with all the rest of iphone bashers on this thread. No one is making them buy anything, so stop telling everyone your stupid opinions.

RE: Is The iPhone Insecure?
By darkpaw on 6/27/2007 8:57:27 AM , Rating: 2
Hello Apple fanatic, welcome to the real world. All those issues are the types of issues that someone how cares about thier network security would ask about a device. I don't think there is any device that yet meets all of those, but some things like the encryption features are 100% necessary for business use.

RE: Is The iPhone Insecure?
By hiscross on 6/27/2007 10:01:09 AM , Rating: 2
Evewr heard of Apple's Security Framework? Well, Microsoft has and is using it in Vista. Oh, how about PKI? Apple security framework supports all PKI tokens/cards out of the box no matter what security level. Fanatic? No, just well informed and CISSP certified.

RE: Is The iPhone Insecure?
By crystal clear on 6/27/2007 3:11:37 PM , Rating: 2
Apple doesn't own this jerk any response

But Apple does owe an response to the public,as a responsible corporation & this guy wants an response from Apple in public forums.

Apple is not a dictator,that YOU DARE NOT ASK A QUESTION !

Buy an Apple or not -the public/prospective buyers have the right to ask QUESTIONS-This is democratic USA !

Every product comes under scrutiny here at D.T. let it be any company-Not only Apple

The same set of questions were put forward to M.S.-they did answer them in full-read below

Analysts: iPhone Has Neither Security nor Relevance

As a means of comparison, Microsoft supplied the answers to Storms' questions for Apple as if he had asked them of Windows Mobile. Microsoft's answers:

Is data encrypted while in transit? Yes, the data is transported using SSL, so it is encrypted during transit

Is data encrypted on the device? No.

Is data encrypted on removable memory? Yes.

Is data removed if the device hasn't checked in centrally, hasn't received a policy update within a time window or if battery power is too low? No. However, please note the Exchange server can remotely wipe the device. The device is also wiped if the password is entered too many times as a security measure.

Is there S/MIME support? Yes.

Is there PGP support? No (need third-party application).

Are there electromagnetic analysis countermeasures? No.

Are there DRM applications (ability to read but not forward data)? Yes, support for DRM for media content and IRM for e-mail (read and create is supported).

Is there user authentication by means of password, passphrase or smart card? Yes. Windows Mobile 6 includes the ability to lock your device and require a password to use the device after a specified period of disuse.

Does the device automatically lock and require authentication to unlock? Yes.

Are the encryption keys stored on the devices, and are they also encrypted? Yes, stored on the device and is possible to encrypt them.

Do the network devices have firewalls? No.

Are the network interfaces disabled by default, and does the user have the ability to disable at will? User can disable.

Is there the ability to remotely lock and disable the device? Yes.

Is there the ability to remotely wipe and back up data? Yes, can wipe but cannot back up data.

Is there the ability to centrally develop and enforce policy settings? Yes.

Is there centralized reporting of all device events—calls made, data transferred and usage statistics? No, not today.

So you see the difference.

Why is Apple not talking about security ?

RE: Is The iPhone Insecure?
By crystal clear on 6/27/2007 3:23:52 PM , Rating: 2
Read the contents of the link provided carefully ,then respond.

You cannot SHUT UP people by saying "Dont ask Questions".

We have the right and Apple as a responsible corporation has its duties to answer these questions?

RE: Is The iPhone Insecure?
By hiscross on 6/27/2007 3:40:57 PM , Rating: 1
Apple can do what it likes, as long as it is within the law. It's pretty clear that there are people who want the iPhone, Jobs, and Apple to fail. So be it. Just don't buy their products.

RE: Is The iPhone Insecure?
By crystal clear on 6/27/2007 3:57:49 PM , Rating: 2
Have you used/checked/tested the iPhone,that you are so sure its a good product !Neither any of those prospective buyers !

The answer is NO !

Yes I would buy iPhone - BUT before that I want my clarifications-If I dont get them I DONT BUY !

Read my second post- "The Next Big Thing." could be the next big digital duds ?
By crystal clear on 6/27/07, Rating: 2

Maybe it will make you a bit wiser ! I only wish you good !

RE: Is The iPhone Insecure?
By eman 7613 on 6/27/07, Rating: 0
RE: Is The iPhone Insecure?
By crystal clear on 6/28/2007 1:34:59 AM , Rating: 2
You know nothing about the the iPhone so dont consider yourself as somebody who knows it all !.

You neither have used/checked/tested the iPhone-in short you are the real IDIOT ! that the real reason you respond this way.

Prospective buyer & the public have the right to ask for information that they think is necessary & or is important to them.

You know nothing about the security or anything else about the iPhone ! nor does anybody else.

You are commenting on the basis of press material put out by Apple,thats all ! like anybody else.

Thats the reason people are asking questions

Your comment does bring any CREDITABILITY to you nor does the language used.

RE: Is The iPhone Insecure?
By crystal clear on 6/28/2007 1:37:43 AM , Rating: 1

Your comment does bring any CREDITABILITY to you nor does the language used.

Should read-

Your comment does NOT bring any CREDITABILITY to you nor does the language used.

RE: Is The iPhone Insecure?
By crystal clear on 6/28/2007 2:11:17 AM , Rating: 2
An example of Apple press material-

Now you can enjoy worry-free web browsing on any computer. Apple engineers designed Safari to be "secure from day one"

From day one the browser was NOT SECURE !

Read previous article/comments on D.T. for more details.

What I want to know
By Vanilla Thunder on 6/26/2007 12:37:06 PM , Rating: 2
is if these packages are available to the rest of the AT&T customers. Currently, I'm paying $15 more for 1500 sms messages and 5MB of internet access. Will the reast of us be able to sign up for unlimited internet access without paying the STEEP fees that AT&T is currently charging it's customers? Or is this more incentive for the iFlock?


RE: What I want to know
By Murst on 6/26/2007 12:56:15 PM , Rating: 2
That's a pretty crappy plan...

Currently I have unlimited anytime minutes and free long distance (US) for $52.99. 450 minutes seems extremely low... just 15 minutes per day about.

RE: What I want to know
By Vanilla Thunder on 6/26/2007 1:13:03 PM , Rating: 2
Well, the base plan is 450 anytime with rollover, and 5000 night and weekend. This costs me $39.99. While this may seem low, I've never exceeded my minutes, and usually have some rollover at the end of the month. However, it costs me an additional $14.99 for 1500 sms messages and 5MB of internet service. Contrary to most, I'm happy with my service, and the customer service has been outstanding everytime I've had to deal with them. I just want a cheaper unlimited internet access plan. I'm curious if this is an iPhone only package.


RE: What I want to know
By smilingcrow on 6/26/2007 1:29:48 PM , Rating: 2
If you don’t need the data package then it seems expensive; otherwise the rate seems okay. It’s the cost of the phone plus the activation fee that stands out for me. When you add in the three year contact it just start to reek of, ‘how much can we screw out of these people’.

RE: What I want to know
By GreenEnvt on 6/26/2007 1:17:43 PM , Rating: 2
Wow, some people must use cell phones a lot.
I probably use about 15 minutes a week

RE: What I want to know
By Oregonian2 on 6/26/2007 2:00:01 PM , Rating: 2
Part of our justification monetarily is that we use it for all long distance calls (wife's sister & mother live a state away, my mother is in yet another state, and add a couple more for sisters) because long distance is "free" using Cingular.

RE: What I want to know
By spwrozek on 6/26/2007 4:06:19 PM , Rating: 2
I use mine a lot. The last statement had me down for 4165 min. Almost 3 days on the phone per month. Ironically I really hate talking on the phone.

RE: What I want to know
By Oregonian2 on 6/26/2007 8:13:27 PM , Rating: 2
And if you do all of it calling someone else on a Cingular cell phone, a plan with 100 minutes may be just fine (assuming the free M2M feature that's in a lot of plans). :-)

By viperpa on 6/26/2007 2:04:21 PM , Rating: 2
I like Apple products but this is absurd. If your spending that much for a phone, why is there a $36 activation fee? No less your spending $100 extra just for 4 gigs.

Once all the hype is gone and they can't sell any, you will see the prices start coming down.

RE: Absurd
By awer26 on 6/26/2007 5:45:01 PM , Rating: 2
...a one-time activation fee of $36 will be charged for the iPhone. Given the extremely high interest level for the iPhone, it's likely that not many will bat an eye at the charge which would usually irritate consumers.

There is always a $36 activation fee with any phone. This is a standard Cingular/AT&T charge. I've had to pay it for every phone "upgrade" I do.

RE: Absurd
By darkpaw on 6/26/2007 5:52:03 PM , Rating: 2
Damn, I didn't know companies still charged these (or people were still dumb enough to pay them). I don't think I've paid a single activation fee since my first Cell in 97 when everyone had them. Now the few places that do have them will usually waive them if you negotiate it.

RE: Absurd
By Brandon Hill on 6/26/2007 6:04:07 PM , Rating: 3
Didn't have to pay an activation fee with my Alltel phone either.

Activation fees are bunk!

RE: Absurd
By BMFPitt on 6/27/2007 12:43:31 PM , Rating: 2
I've only paid one once, in 2002, for choosing a 1 year contract over a 2-year. I thought that was a standard deal.

But I agree with the sentiment that anyone who's shelling out this much already shouldn't bat an eye at the activation. If you're not willing to throw away $36 for no good reason, this probably isn't the phone for you.

By crystal clear on 6/27/2007 3:00:32 AM , Rating: 2
Hoe can you be sure if the iPhone is all what it appears to be-Think read this,

the hype surrounding Apple Inc.'s media-playing iPhone could be a prelude to disappointment if it does not capture a wide market, technology veterans say.

As the press feeds the iPhone frenzy ahead of its U.S. launch on Friday, experts say the wireless device could easily top a long list of digital duds, all of them once touted as "The Next Big Thing."

"God himself could not design a device that could live up to all the hype that the iPhone has gotten," said David Platt, a computer science professor at Harvard University.

Since its existence was announced in January, more than 1 million people have told exclusive carrier AT&T that they are interested in a phone that costs as much as $600. In that time, Apple shares have risen 35 percent.

Comedian Conan O'Brien has spoofed it as the answer to all human needs, and rumor has it multimedia mogul Oprah Winfrey wants one. Blogs chronicle leaks about the phone like children plotting Santa's path from the North Pole.

"This is the most expected phone since Alexander Graham Bell's. Expectations are just off the charts," Jupiter Research analyst Michael Gartenberg said. "All anyone wants to talk about these days -- not just technology people, but mainstream consumers -- is the iPhone."

Apple is likely to sell a lot of phones on Friday, particularly as die-hard gadget fans angle for bragging rights to be among the first iPhone owners, he said. But the real test for Apple is whether it appeals to a mass market of consumers, not unlike the company's best-selling iPod music player.

"The ultimate success is how quickly Apple builds this into a family -- how quickly prices come down and models become more affordable," Gartenberg said. "It is what happens beyond the first 90 days that is really important."

Few people have actually seen an iPhone, whose main differentiating feature is a smooth glass touch screen that replaces number keys.

The device can surf the Internet, play music and video like an iPod, and perform other digital duties -- as well as make phone calls. Chief Executive Steve Jobs hopes Apple will ship 10 million in its first year.


To be sure, even the most pedestrian mobile phone can sell hundreds of thousands of units, in a phone market where some 1 billion units are sold each year around the globe.

The iPhone would be a replacement to products many people already have, forcing some users to switch mobile carriers and trade in devices with a full keyboard like the BlackBerry.

Unlike a new video-game console, high-definition DVD or flat-screen TV, the iPhone is relatively old technology with an attractive new package.

Platt, author of "Why Software Sucks...And What You Can Do About It," says the iPhone will likely miss the mark despite its cool look in TV commercials, because it was designed more to please engineers than a regular consumer.

"It is really easy to fall in love with a Playboy (magazine) centerfold when you are just looking at it," he said of the iPhone's flash.

"You can imagine iPhone will be the miracle box that solves all problems ... but when you actually have your hands on it and realize it takes five or six button presses to get something, then you start to get annoyed," he said.

Apple has not been immune to flops. After delivering the "Apple II" in 1977 -- its first popular microcomputer -- Steve Jobs' next project was "Lisa," a business computer labeled by many as late-arriving and expensive.

A $6,000, 20-pound Mac "Portable" met with a similar fate in 1989, followed by the Newton handheld device in 1993 and in 2000, the G4 Cube that critics said was a triumph of design over practicality.

IPhone isn't even Apple's first crack at a phone -- the ROKR, its collaboration in 2005 with Motorola, was critically panned and yielded disappointing sales.

More recently, handheld computer maker Palm Inc. stirred up talk about a genre-changing new device, only to unveil "Foleo" -- a mini-computer -- to a collective ho-hum from investors and gadget-watching blogs.

Still on the flop fence is Microsoft's Zune. Introduced last November as a potential iPod-killer, the digital music player is expected by the end of this month to sell a million total units, a fraction of iPod's business.

"What is a failure is often in the eye of the beholder," said Ross Rubin, an analyst at research firm NPD Group. "Even though the Zune is often considered a failure, Microsoft says it is happy with where the product is in the marketplace."

By crystal clear on 6/27/2007 3:03:55 AM , Rating: 2
sorry typing error-
"Hoe" should read "How"

By darkpaw on 6/27/2007 8:54:31 AM , Rating: 2
Wish I could rate this up, great link.

Bunch of whiners
By Shazinc on 6/26/2007 2:12:06 PM , Rating: 4
What a bunch of haters. "Boo hoo. This brand new high-end, do-everything phone with new technology costs more than other phones. I can't afford it so I hope it fails. boo hoo!"

For those complaining about the plan, it's actually not a bad plan at all. It is just like the normal cingular (now AT&T) plans that include rollover, free in-network calling, and more night and weekend minutes than you can shake a stick at. The only difference is that an unlimited data plan is tacked on top. But $20 extra for unlimited data, especially when you consider that this phone connects to YoutTube and can display full webpages, is a steal of a deal compared to everything else on the market.

I was happy to see these prices. I was expecting worse.

RE: Bunch of whiners
By Phynaz on 6/26/07, Rating: -1
RE: Bunch of whiners
By Etsp on 6/26/2007 10:00:08 PM , Rating: 2
Ahhh irony....

Here's my issue.............
By Domicinator on 6/26/2007 3:02:07 PM , Rating: 3
Lately I tend to get a new cell phone about once a year. It's not necessarily by choice, it just works out that way. I get great discounts through my company, so when I'm due for an upgrade, I go for it. But each time I buy a new phone, I get a little fancier. And each time, I worry more about messing the phone up. I hate nicked up casing, scratched screens, hinges that don't work, etc. Then when I buy protective covering for the phone, sometimes there's even cause to worry about the casing nicking up the phone too. I'm just anal that way. So how much would I be worrying about a phone that cost me HUNDREDS of dollars and has an optical glass screen? A lot.

Recently (like yesterday) I bought an LG Chocolate. That's an expensive phone without all the rebates and discounts and crap, plus the bluetooth headset, software, cables, memory card, etc. that you need to buy to fully take advantage of all its features. It's a nice phone, and eliminates a lot of gadgets for me to carry around. Is it as nice as the iPhone will be? No. But as soon as something happens to it I'll probably jump off a bridge. My money is precious to me. I don't want to have to worry about taking my phone places with me, and that's exactly what I'd be doing with an iPhone. Worrying. Plus, if this thing is a success, people are going to be stealing them left and right.

By kilkennycat on 6/26/2007 8:35:30 PM , Rating: 2
Worrying. Plus, if this thing is a success, people are going to be stealing them left and right.

The thief had better be good at surface-mount soldering and have replacement (custom) SIM-chips handy. The sim-chip is physically built-in. No unlocked phones here.... and the extra anti-thief security. Just take out insurance on the iPhone and smile happily... I'm sure that a number of insurance companies will be lined up to take your money, at a favorable (to them) rate. AT&T offer several levels of insurance already for other cell-phones in their line-up. I would assume that they will also offer coverage on the iPhone. Yet another "hidden expense" for the early-adopters. Beware, most portable items of this nature (c.f: lap-top computers) are not covered by normal household insurance policies. Read the small print.

good graphic
By kattanna on 6/26/2007 1:50:10 PM , Rating: 2
a friend sent me this link to a really funny pic about the iphone and its flock

RE: good graphic
By hiscross on 6/27/2007 3:35:10 PM , Rating: 2
And those who didn't listen to Moses never made it to the promise land (actaully two did Joshua and Caleb).

By Oregonian2 on 6/26/2007 1:57:50 PM , Rating: 4
Also noted in the press release is that a one-time activation fee of $36 will be charged for the iPhone. Given the extremely high interest level for the iPhone, it's likely that not many will bat an eye at the charge which would usually irritate consumers.

Not sure what they're talking about. I just signed up for an ATT family plan ($60/month for 550 anytime minutes, unlimited nights, weekends, and M2M, rollover, national roaming, national long distance -- and that's for two phones) and the standard activation is $36 for the first phone and $26 for the second (in our dual-phone plan case). So hopefully it won't "usually irritate consumers" because AFAIK everybody is charged that $36 by Cingular/ATT.

The good thing about the iPhone plan is the data. ATT charges incredible money for data transfer (for $10/month the basic media plan gives a "whopping" 1 megabyte per month - where just bringing up the "home page" and signing off uses about 14K or so). Without an "unlimited" (apparently NOT the kind where one connects one's desktop to the phone and uses it as one's ISP) the cost of the iPhone itself would be trivial compared to the data fees ATT charges.

RE: To Those @@!#*ing About the Price....
By inorganicmatter on 6/26/2007 3:50:43 PM , Rating: 2
We can afford the price, but why should I pay MORE money for LESS plan?

By eman 7613 on 6/27/2007 6:54:28 PM , Rating: 2
for the same reason why people have PAYED for windows XP & Vista & OSX when linux has had most all the same featuers, plus more, for free (and can be made to run windows code)

Iphone data plan ?
By cracker123 on 6/27/2007 12:12:28 AM , Rating: 4
Guys from what I understand Iphone does not support 3G Wireless data Wi-Fi (802.11b/g) / EDGE / Bluetooth 2.0+EDR ,
All those nice stuff you have been seeing on the TV with browsing , YouTube, downloads are all being done via 802.11b/g not on the EDGE network.
, EDGE on AT&T is very slow sort of like a 56k modem. It will be hard for EDGE to handle YouTube sort of data.
IMHO data plan is crap if only EDGE, if it has HSPDA then it might be worth it.

My prediction is that Iphone will just be another phone on the market, it will not have the great story as the Ipod. Apple is entering the market where there are already lots of big players. Yes the phone does look cool, but other companies can also make cool phones, you should see the phones made in East Asia. Microsoft will not be sitting while Apple tries to take the market. MP3 market was pretty crappy when Ipod came along, so they had a great chance of success. There were very few players in the mp3 business. But Cell phones are a completely different story.
For Apple to have any great movement in the market it will have to be a revolutionary product, which I dont see I phone being.

I hope Apple good luck on this device, my prediction for Apple stock is to sell, since the expectation of this device is way to high, and if Apple has any problems. The stock will take a nice beating.

iPhone goes "phut"... too bad...
By kilkennycat on 6/26/2007 9:05:29 PM , Rating: 1
The iPhone sim-chip is soldered-in.


* No physical transfer of Sim-chip to backup phone.... too bad, presumably there is a mechanism for storing the phone-list on your PC or mac and auto-recovering it to another iPhone. If Apple is involved, not very likely to be able to recover that list automatically to a standard cell-phone. No doubt able to manually read and modify the list on your PC/Mac.

* No unlocked phones. Captive to AT&T.


* Make the phone far less desirable for the thief.
Totally useless AS A PHONE to the thief after the owner has reported the theft to AT&T, unless a bunch of the custom sim-chips has fallen off a truck and the thief is adept at surface-mount soldering. Also, I would not be surprised if there is additional security built-in such that that the iPhone will be "told" by AT&T to shut down ALL OF ITS FUNCTIONS irreversibly if turned on, detected by AT&T's network and flagged as stolen.

By Ralph The Magician on 6/26/2007 11:06:10 PM , Rating: 2
The SIM is not soldered-in. If you look at the top of the phone, between the hold switch/power button and the mic jack there is a strange kind of slit with a small button. That's where you put the SIM card. It's a small tray that pops out, just like the battery does on the bottom of the Apple Remote.

edge sucks
By EnzoFX on 6/27/2007 4:28:50 AM , Rating: 3
did anyone catch the new york post's review of it, it states how slow the edge network is, that it makes u wish it were dial-up. Damn U.S. with its slow broadband internet and slow wireless networks

Is this true?
By Shadowmaster625 on 6/26/2007 1:34:58 PM , Rating: 2
Is this true: "All rate plans allow for unlimited data (email and web)"

Or is there an editing error?
$60 seems like a fair price for 15 minutes a day of airtime + unlimited yahoo messenger or whatnot. If everyone had one of these phone, everyone would be on IM, no?

Why dont they ever offer plans like 100 minutes + unlimited data + unlimited text?

its all about the data plan
By EnzoFX on 6/26/2007 1:36:21 PM , Rating: 2
the data plan is the real seller, the iphone is meant to use it well and these plans offer them at competitive prices. In regards to the minutes, meh, may not be a big deal to most people as they probably want to play with the cool data-related features of the phone. For me, the minutes is not an issue as most ppl i know have att and its free mobile to mobile. So most of my minutes are UNtouched and ROLLover every month...

Second, im currently in a family plan, i wonder what viable options would be available to me, or people who's contracts simply aren't up yet...

no need for data plan
By solgae1784 on 6/26/2007 8:30:56 PM , Rating: 2
Just so you know, you don't need to buy their data plan to use iPhone.

Unfortunately, almost all carriers except Verizon has crappy coverage here in Maryland. I won't be switching from Verizon soon.

innovative activation??
By Locutus465 on 6/27/2007 12:44:56 AM , Rating: 2
Hmmm, with my verizon PDA I opened up the box, put in the battery, plugged it into the wall, dialed *22899, listened to elevator music for a minute or so and then I was receiving calls... All verizon phones work like this mind you.

From the apple website.
By crystal clear on 6/27/2007 2:46:01 AM , Rating: 2
Pricing & Availability
iPhone goes on sale at 6:00 p.m. (local time) on Friday, June 29 and will be sold in the US through Apple’s retail and online stores and AT&T retail stores. iPhone will be available in a 4GB model for $499 (US) and an 8GB model for $599 (US), and will work with either a PC or Mac®. All iPhone monthly service plans are available for individuals and families and are based on a new two-year service agreement with AT&T. Individual plans are priced at $59.99 for 450 minutes, $79.99 for 900 minutes and $99.99 for 1,350 minutes. All plans include unlimited data (email and web), Visual Voicemail, 200 SMS text messages, roll over minutes and unlimited mobile-to-mobile and a one-time activation fee of $36. Family plans are also available

Read also the table in this link

quality of service
By kmiller1700 on 6/27/2007 5:04:06 PM , Rating: 2
doesnt always have to be the network, but the phone as well. had a motorola with t-mobile, and it was very hard to hear with. recently switched to AT&T, with a new motorola phone, and can hear better that with t-mobile. used Nokia with AT&T, and Nokia with T-mobile, and so far the AT&T is better with the motorola. used a samsung with verizon and its worse than the t-mobile.

it's not just the plan/network you get, its also the phone, that determines quality of service.

By espiritiv on 7/2/2007 12:11:06 PM , Rating: 2
The $59.99 plan is actually standard for sure.

Regular plan with ATT/cingular is $39.99 with the same number of minutes and 200txt free. Rollover included. 5000 night and weekends is very hard to use up. I am a heavy night and weekend user and cant come close. Data plan is usually $29.99 for unlimited data. Good deal i say if you like to check your email and download from your phone.

Overall the $59.99 plan saves you about $10 bucks. I plan to hook up this new service with my Nokia E61 since i already pay $56 a mo and dont have data.

$596 Phone
By spillai on 6/26/2007 1:22:17 PM , Rating: 1
How much functionality can a smart phone can provide at its best.afterall $596 is a too high for a phone.

By crystal clear on 6/28/2007 2:21:34 AM , Rating: 1
Hi, Brandon

Notice the word/name CINGULAR of the iphone photo you display in your article.

It should be AT&T-right !

"Can anyone tell me what MobileMe is supposed to do?... So why the f*** doesn't it do that?" -- Steve Jobs

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