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Anh Tuan Huynh (Blog) - June 14, 2007 3:00 AM

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Intel's latest roadmap adds two more processors to the mix

Intel’s latest roadmap adds two more processors to the upcoming lineup. The roadmap reveals early plans for the Yorkfield-based Core 2 Extreme and another Core 2 Duo E4000-sequence processor. With Yorkfield, Intel differentiates the Core 2 Extreme and Core 2 Duo models by the front-side bus speed.

Intel Core 2 Extreme Yorkfield processors will have a 1333 MHz front-side bus, continuing on where the Kentsfield Core 2 Extreme QX6850 leaves off. The quad-core processor supports Intel VT, Enhanced Intel SpeedStep and Intel 64 and Execute Disable Bit technologies. Intel leaves TXT technology out of the 45nm Core 2 Extreme however.

Intel’s Core 2 Duo E4000-sequence receives a speed bump in Q4’2007. The new Core 2 Duo E4600 clocks in at 2.4 GHz and remains on an 800 MHz front-side bus. Aside from the speed bump, the Core 2 Duo E4600 is no different from other Core 2 Duo E4000-sequence models.

Intel plans to debut the Core 2 Duo E4600 at a $133, per unit in 1,000 unit quantities, price point. The existing Core 2 Duo E4500 will drop down to a $113, per unit in 1,000 unit quantities, price point when the Core 2 Duo E4600 debuts.

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What is AMD doing ?

By Haroon Rasheed on 6/14/2007 4:10:09 AM , Rating: 2

Hey Guys ! What is AMD doing ? I am using Intel Pentium 4 2.80C Ghz from last 3 years now planning to upgrade and want to choose between AMD and Intel , but ...... AMD creates difficulty in selecting the right choice for me ...

RE: What is AMD doing ?

By retepallen on 6/14/2007 4:25:24 AM , Rating: 5

If you want to wait 6 months, then stick around to see how the Phenom's perform. If you arent in a rush, then its always worth the wait.

If you're planning on upgrading now, then AMD can provide good processors on a tight budget. If you arent so constrained then Intel is the better option by a long way right now.

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RE: What is AMD doing ?

By jmke on 6/14/07, Rating: 0

RE: What is AMD doing ?

By Thorburn on 6/14/2007 8:28:13 AM , Rating: 3

Not sure why this has been rated down to 0, the Pentium Dual Core E2140 and E2160 are both good CPU's, and even at the very low-end the Celeron 410, 420 and 430 offer way better single-core performance than their Netburst based predecessors.

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RE: What is AMD doing ?

By maroon1 on 6/14/2007 8:30:20 AM , Rating: 1

Agreed

Intel currently offers the best price/performance ratio, specially E6600

And I have strong feeling that Intel Penryn will destroy Phenom processors. So, there is no need to think about AMD processors.

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RE: What is AMD doing ?

By exanimas on 6/14/2007 8:45:37 AM , Rating: 4

I have a strong feeling a meteor will crash into the earth tomorrow, so there is no need for anyone to go to work today.

Let's just wait until we see some numbers before we start stating assumptions like facts.

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RE: What is AMD doing ?

By chsh1ca on 6/14/07, Rating: -1

RE: What is AMD doing ?

By Lightning III on 6/14/07, Rating: -1

By Lightning III on 6/14/2007 9:10:58 AM , Rating: -1

nah that will take nehalem to overcome the the intergated memory controller thats when Intel will be following the AMD route

I wonder if they are all loading up for infingement law suits or not

remember that it took a die shrink and a major architecture revision to pull ahead of AMD

the problem is that with the memory controller on the motherboard rather than itergrated on the chip like AMD

Intel has to push for faster and newer DDR standards just to keep up this is the weakness of the intel design

unfortunatly you either shrink the die or revise the architecture you don't try to do both at once. which is the mistake thats holding AMD back right now.

that and the end run Intel did with the mobile chip design group in Haifa Israel abandoning the failed netburst architechture

Blind siding AMD with a revolution rather than evolution

AMD need's to work on their die shrink skills this is what killed the HD 2900XTX (and is crippling the HD 2900 XT)
or
Trying to pull off two at once or three if you consider Barcalona seprate from Ageana and R600

anyway

off topic

since it's a jewish design do you think it hurt's sales among muslim nations

yes intel has the Halo CPU and Nvidia has the Halo GPU the halo chipset fight is about to begin again with X38 vs 680i vs R790 ?

Oh I forgot AMD does have the HALO intergrated chipset 690 which will run windows aero without a discrete graphics card

which among the above mentioned items is most attractive to OEMS where the real money's at

why does everybody want to write AMD off

regards

];P>

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RE: What is AMD doing ?

By Shintai on 6/14/2007 9:20:49 AM , Rating: 2

Cache is one way of hiding latencies. So an IMC wont make much difference. And if the IMC is so good, I´m sure Intel would have kept it from their 386Sl and 486SL CPUs.

IMC is a sideeffect of the multisocket design. Its not a "winner" on the desktop. Its amazing people think that.

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RE: What is AMD doing ?

By Lightning III on 6/14/07, Rating: -1

By Lightning III on 6/14/2007 10:17:14 AM , Rating: -1

understood and thats why one has 512kb's vs 4 mg's on the other

and

then why are they putting it on NEHALEM if its such a poor design

I argue more efficent and cheaper more power per watt more capble of producing a single chip mcp for mother boards

as if the enthusiests aren't moving to multi socket as well V8 or PHENOM FX

as for not a winner on the desktop remove conroe from the equation and the rope a dope manuver

and how can you call it not a winner

I'm not a AMD fanboy hell I'm Running a E6600 pre price drop on a P965 (best peformance vs thermals )or HTPC able

I do belevie that the k8 architechture has had the longest time in the sun as the HALO CPU

to bad it took so long for reality to overcome maketing

because nobody's agruing about intels superiority there

as for most poeple an 80 dollar brisbane is more than enough

and since its Intel can't pay people for anymore to only use their chips (dell)

maybe we will see a shift

BTW

intel was never an option till conroe nobody want's an HTPC system that created much Heat or fan noise

soo k6 to conroe for me

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RE: What is AMD doing ?

By vignyan on 6/14/2007 11:23:12 AM , Rating: 2

Hey i did not know you preferred 512K cache processors.. intel has it too! :P

you seem to grossly mis-informed.. and for most here, this might be news.. Intel was the first one that tried IMC on processor way back in 1998. Well ofcourse the project was voted down because of the FSB limitation. FYI AMD introduced on-board IMC in 2003 with the AMD Opteron built on AMD64 technology.. Check it up b4 commenting on it!

But even considering that you dont believe me, its not that its a great by design. And i dont think people give much concern where the mem-controller is! "Is my processor the best for the money i spent?" is the question. And currently Intel snatched that position from AMD... And it shows.. Probably that's why you will not go for the 512K intel processor..

Talking about Intel "Following", its because of the new bus-standard... CSI... So since they are drifting from FSB, they bought their old idea back...

Why did you go for a E6600 instead of a Brisbane yourself? well all of them have their reasons. All of them need the best for less!

I know you are not an AMD fanboy.. neither am i of Intel.. I agree with you on the pentium 4 being absolute cr*p!! I too went for an AMD Athlon64 3K+ processor bk then..

Lets see if Phenom(Venom) can match Penryn if not for Nehalem(Anhilate).. :)

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RE: What is AMD doing ?

By Lightning III on 6/14/07, Rating: -1

By Lightning III on 6/14/2007 2:09:45 PM , Rating: -1

no my first home built was a barton and you may laugh but I am seriously considering the 35w brisbane it depends on how much offloading the HD 2600 XT silent pipe will do its limited in the gaming world by its 128 bit memory interface but for HTPC it's low power low heat 65nm all format hdmi audio pass thru HTPC wonder card

and you don't have to pay extra for some also ran pure video nonsense

AMD/ATI did get the die shrink going on that one

did you say FSB limitation's hmmmmm

anyway I went for the bang for my buck @ 300 am day after thanksgiving 1/2 mile fry's line bang for my buck. 270 when they were going for 320

so yeah I'm cheap and I research every purchase

but you know not everybody overclock's or has the desire too

at stock speeds bang for your buck isn't intel

only when you overclock does their lower teir intel cpu's really shine

ask any HTPC'er there is no cool and quiet function if you overclock

and that defeat's the purpose

although this should give you a laugh I was working at Dell when Intel came by to expouse the virtues of the P4 and how it will eventually scale to 5 gz

but thanks for the history lesson

I agree

go with the roe's or the lon's but definatly stay away from ron's (celeron or sempron )

but your right I only came to this world after my first build hooked me

like the Hardware junkie I am

always planning my next build always looking at the upgrade path

heck I'm on my fifteenth now

I do it for friends family and co-workers for free

just to get my fix

regards

];P>

hook'em

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RE: What is AMD doing ?

By Thorburn on 6/14/2007 3:02:41 PM , Rating: 2

That thread was actually painful to read.

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RE: What is AMD doing ?

By bkiserx7 on 6/14/2007 5:03:20 PM , Rating: 2

quote:
I do it for friends family and co-workers for free

just to get my fix

That is what I do too ;)

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RE: What is AMD doing ?

By Future145 on 6/18/2007 12:34:47 PM , Rating: 2

quote:
go with the roe's or the lon's but definatly stay away from ron's (celeron or sempron)

ROFL nice saying

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RE: What is AMD doing ?

By murphyslabrat on 6/20/2007 1:11:13 PM , Rating: 2

It has been said many times, many ways: AMD makes CPU's and Intel sells CPU's. Whether or not you think that's a complete description of the field, AMD is a chihauha pitted against a german shepard. Thankfully, this is one chihauha that knows some wicked kung-fu, a part of which is the IMC.

AMD is the weaker of the two companies, (as of the Q1 2007) having roughly 1/3 of Intel's funds. So they must compensate. They do on an everyday basis what was a revolutionary design philosophy for the Pentium M/Core/core2 design team.

Even as early as the origional slot a Athlons, AMD had a clear advantage in design. With nearly twice the FLOP performance of the p6 design, and roughly 120% IPC advantage they could not be ignored.

The IMC is simply a more efficient method of memory access. In the Athlon XP days, an AMD CPU performed 2-7% better clock-for-clock with 512kb vs. 256kb. And, today, AMD's caches perform similiarly with 512kb and 1024kb.

AMD has had a good history of excellent designs, one that will continue despite(often well-grounded) nay-saying. Unfortunately, this is one case where Intel's sheer brute financial force has managed to triumph over the good old-fashioned ingenuity of AMD.

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RE: What is AMD doing ?

By djkrypplephite on 6/20/2007 2:04:42 AM , Rating: 2

intel actually had the integrated memory controller idea before AMD, it's just that AMD commercialized it. Timan was actually I believe a 2nd or 3rd gen R&D piece that intel made with an IMC. in typical AMD fashion, they again copy intel. I hope they create something totally new and fantastic to make things go even faster, because if it werent for the 64's, we'd still be on netburst. once intel gets CSI though, bam. amd better look the hell out.

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RE: What is AMD doing ?

By dsumanik on 6/20/2007 1:43:57 PM , Rating: 2

What the hell are you talking about a jewish design and muslim sales??? Welcome to the year 2007...people ignorant enough to make a purchase based on religion are fools.

fools.
fools.
fools.

To bad we didnt wipe out the rest of the fanatics over there while we were at it over there kickin nazi arse.

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RE: What is AMD doing ?

By RamarC on 6/14/2007 9:50:31 AM , Rating: 3

about $600 will get you a p35 mobo, a 3ghz quad core, and 2gb of ram at the end of july. even if amd's new stuff is 'phenom'onal, i doubt if it will offer this much bang for the buck.

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RE: What is AMD doing ?

By therealnickdanger on 6/14/2007 11:16:02 AM , Rating: 2

I just ran through Newegg and came up with some pricing:

Q6600 2.4GHz: $266 (after price drop)
2GB DDR2-800: $62
Gigabyte DS3 P35 w/DDR3 support: $160

So, you can get a QC system with awesome OC potential and DDR3 support started for under $490.

I'll probably buy those exact items except I'd get 4GB DDR2-800 for $200, then sell my current C2D/mobo/RAM to my dad for his workstation or something...

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What is AMD doing?

By nahtanojlui on 6/15/2007 2:53:27 AM , Rating: 2

IMHO Phenom should beat conroe like conroe beat athlon. If AMD doesn't beat intel, AMD deserve to go bankrupt. I mean, conroe is out for a whole year now. Plus, it doesn't really matter for Intel, if intel goes according to their time line, they are releasing a new architecture next year? or the year after. Which, if AMD releases now, one year from AMD's release.

RE: What is AMD doing?

By nitin213 on 6/15/2007 6:20:12 AM , Rating: 3

I know I am out of my league when i say this, but I think the strategy of pushing down new processors/architectures down onto consumers actually hurts more than helps.

Intel's current strategy has brought down a few changes in market:
a) Intel has created so much hype abt its tick-tock that even common man has started to realize there is change happening. Thus, an average would delay his/her purchase to get a better PC.
b) With trying to hurt AMD, Intel has kept pushing down prices which in turn has made a lot of consumers wary abt buying a PC now. 30% cut in Santa Rosa, 50% cut in quad core..... come on man, there is no consumer good which has price declines like that...
c) Most PC's in homes bought in last3-4 years are not obsolete currently by any standards especially if all one does is word, ppt and web surfing. Even for gamers I am sure most PC's are still doable.

Net net, Intel has succeeded in actually shrinking the market rather than expanding it.... and that means lower economy of scales. Proof:
a) Intel pushing out 45nm fab upgrade at one of the 4 locations. Ofcourse also due to slower response from AMD.
b) Dismal semi outlook and not just because of memory decline...

My 2 cents - Intel is a big guerrilla and it can trample AMD no doubt but I am worried abt the downward spiral this war is taking the whole industry.

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RE: What is AMD doing?

By Future145 on 6/18/2007 12:41:07 PM , Rating: 2

quote:
I think the strategy of pushing down new processors/architectures down onto consumers actually hurts more than helps.

i dunno about that, i think it really help the end user with all this competition. Lower prices, improved technology help push the industry in the right way.
without AMD smoking the Pentium 4, we'd still be stuck with overpriced crappy netburst processors.

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RE: What is AMD doing?

By spillai on 6/20/2007 12:25:28 PM , Rating: 2

Intel is offering killing prices.they are giving Dual Cores at price of a P-4 sometime back.
AMD cant win with prices now.they have to improve Price Performance ratio.

Satheesh
www.knowledgevibes.com

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I'm wondering here...

By ethana2 on 6/14/2007 1:46:37 PM , Rating: 2

What about all that hardware accelerated DRM crap intel was trying to pull? If I go with an AMD chip, do I have to put up with that? I just want a purchase outlet that says "trusted computing? Go to hades." Just wondering, 'cause I thought AMD was advertising that as a "feature" too.

And yeah, I'd have to say the first thing I look at with a chip is process size. But that's probably because I want to do some over-clocking and under-clocking. Still, if I were AMD, that's where I'd try to do stuff. Maybe even come up with software that would allow the Open source community to make your designs for you ;)

RE: I'm wondering here...

By cheburashka on 6/14/2007 3:29:02 PM , Rating: 2

There is no such thing as DRM acceleration in either vendors upcoming products. You must be thinking of TXT (which the article states is not there) for trusted computing which is a totally different concept.

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RE: I'm wondering here...

By bfellow on 6/14/2007 4:05:46 PM , Rating: 2

DRM?!? Intel and AMD have an unholy alliance in supporting DRM straight into their next-gen CPUs

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details

By FXi on 6/14/2007 6:50:45 AM , Rating: 2

No SSE4? Or just not mentioned?

RE: details

By Thorburn on 6/14/2007 8:26:05 AM , Rating: 2

SSE4 is in all Penryn derived processors as far as I am aware, this includes Wolfdale and Yorkfield.

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Quad core still on track to hit below $300 mark in July?

By imaheadcase on 6/14/2007 3:28:33 AM , Rating: 3

If they manage to get that lower end Quadcore down to the $266 or whatever quoted I will be upgrading soon in July :D

RE: Quad core still on track to hit below $300 mark in July?

By VERTIGGO on 6/14/07, Rating: -1

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