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Samsung looks to be switching out the 600MHz for a faster, more expensive 800MHz unit

Samsung announced its second generation Q1 Ultra UMPC last month. The company stated that the device would start at $799 for the base model and would creep up to $1,499 for the range-topping model.

The base Q1 Ultra (Q1U-EL) was to be equipped with a 600MHz Intel A100 processor, 1GB DDR2-400 memory, 40GB HDD, 7" 1024x600 LED-backlit display, 802.11a/b/g, Bluetooth 2.0+EDR, split-QWERY keyboard and Windows Vista Home Premium.

When announced, Samsung said that the Q1U-EL would ship in late May while the Q1U-V (800MHz/1GB/60GB/SD slot/dual cameras) would ship in mid-May. The Q1U-V started showing up online at the end of May, but the slower Q1U-EL was nowhere to be found.

Yesterday, information began popping up on the Origami Project forums that could explain the delay for the Q1U-EL. Samsung's new Q1 Ultra microsite now lists all variants as having the 800MHz A110 processor.

Online retailers have updated their product listings to show that the Q1U-EL now features the 800MHz A110 processor instead of the slower 600MHz A100 processor. Retailers reflecting the processor change include Bottom Line Telecommunications, Buy.com and PC Connection (they list the A110 processor, but have not yet revised their text to reflect the 800MHz clock speed).

Even more telling is that some retailers have also raised their prices to compensate. Buy.com is showing the Q1U-El at $875.99 while PC Connection is now listing the UMPC at $899. CDW previously listed the Q1U-EL at $799, but has since removed the price and now states "Call for Availability."

It may take a few more days for all of the commotion to die down and for retailers to get their pages updated, but it looks as though Samsung is saying goodbye to not only the 600MHz A100, but also the $799 price tag.

The only reason for the change as speculated by many is that the 600MHz processor just can’t cut it in Windows Vista Home Premium. Vista has been cited as being a resource hog and the 600MHz processor running with Aero enabled coupled with the 4200RPM hard drive could make for some unpleasant customers. This is what one Blogcritics blogger had to say about the 800MHz Q1U-V:

Before you think this unit is perfect, there is one important aspect that hasn’t been covered yet: speed! The higher end unit runs an 800 MHz “Genuine Intel” processor. The lower end unit runs a 600 MHz processor. I don’t know how anybody could handle the lower end units because at 800 MHz, this unit is slow. When I say slow, I mean as slow as watching a clock and waiting for a minute to go by. This unit is even slower than the original Q1 unit. Much of this is due to the new Windows Vista operating system, which hogs up a lot more RAM and CPU usage.

So when pressed with the thought of have a “slow” device and “really slow” device, it appears that Samsung appeared to go with simply “slow.”



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Wasn't it KK that bought one of these?
By SilthDraeth on 6/8/2007 10:02:19 AM , Rating: 2
Or another DT editor? I wonder which model he will get, I swore he bought one of the 600mhz ones.




By Brandon Hill (blog) on 6/8/2007 10:06:38 AM , Rating: 3
That was me. I pre-ordered the 600MHz unit for $723 after coupon from Buy.com. Then I started reading about the 600MHz unit possibly being dog slow, so I chickened out and cancelled my order and pre-ordered the 800MHz version (which is now out of stock EVERYWHERE).

Then I start hearing these reports of the Q1U-EL getting bumped to 800MHz.

So I cancelled the second pre-order as well. I'm just gonna wait and see what happens when the dust clears :P


By KristopherKubicki (blog) on 6/8/2007 10:09:02 AM , Rating: 2
Let us know how it goes!


By SilthDraeth on 6/8/2007 10:33:42 AM , Rating: 2
Yeah, I am genuinely curious about this UMPC.


By Chadder007 on 6/8/2007 4:19:00 PM , Rating: 2
I saw a 1ghz Q1 over on newegg for sale today. Have you checked that out?


By crystal clear on 6/9/2007 3:43:48 AM , Rating: 1
Hi,

Would be interested to read about-"Livescribe's Smartpen"

Release early 4Q 07


RE: Wasn't it KK that bought one of these?
By andylawcc on 6/9/2007 4:01:29 AM , Rating: 2
is it possible (physically and mentally feasible) to format HDD and reinstall WinXP on it?


By Brandon Hill (blog) on 6/9/2007 10:25:53 AM , Rating: 2
Yes, it would be possible. It is nothing more than a PC in a small form-factor, so anything software wise that you would do to a regular PC applies here. So yes, you can format and install XP or Linux or whatever you want.

Now replacing the HDD and upgrading the memory is still a mystery. I don't think that anyone has gotten enough courage to crack open their Q1U yet.


RE: Wasn't it KK that bought one of these?
By encryptkeeper on 6/11/2007 10:40:55 AM , Rating: 2
Are any of the companies producing UMPC's expecting to see any significant market penetration? In the U.S., it really seems like Smartphones are enjoying much more success (at least based on what I've seen, people have smartphones like CRAZY, and I've never seen anyone with a UMPC) Even though they aren't as powerful, even though they usually run the handheld OS, they can make calls and get emails and browse the web which is pretty much what people want.


By andylawcc on 6/12/2007 3:18:04 AM , Rating: 2
I would buy one. I think it is a very nice mobile solution. Personally, I don't think the screen size of those smartphone is large enough to accomodate my regular/normal web experiences. when a laptop is rather clumsy to bring around with, a small UMPC that will fit in an attache or suitcase will be great.


By IvanAndreevich on 6/9/2007 1:38:48 PM , Rating: 2
I wouldn't worry about it. Turn all the Vista fancy crap off which you don't need, and it will fly even at 600 MHz.

I am a little disappointed that this is based off a Dothan core, rather than being a Core 2 derivative. Perhaps the next revision will be?


CLEARANCE SALE!
By therealnickdanger on 6/8/2007 11:11:24 AM , Rating: 2
I'll be on the lookout for clearance prices and discontinued demo units. There are going to be some hot deals on the old one!




RE: CLEARANCE SALE!
By therealnickdanger on 6/8/2007 11:13:09 AM , Rating: 2
I wanted to add:
I'll mount it right into my center console of my car! Awesome CarPC! Plus it can easily be detached and brought inside!


RE: CLEARANCE SALE!
By crystal clear on 6/9/2007 4:43:02 AM , Rating: 2
That is unlikely to happen now because INTEL has begun talking about MIDs instead.
Intel has MIDs in mind, with a price tag of about $500, much less memory than a UMPC, flash memory instead of a hard drive and a very lean operating system.

Intel is currently designing a new 45 nm processor, code-named “Silverthorne” for these devices (and future UMPCs).


Why Vista?
By RjBass on 6/8/2007 4:37:18 PM , Rating: 2
Since XP is available until the end of this year, couldn't Samsung just stock these with XP and save all the headaches with a slow system?




RE: Why Vista?
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 6/9/2007 10:23:37 AM , Rating: 2
There are four models of the Q1U. The version aimed at businesses features Windows XP Professional.


RE: Why Vista?
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 6/9/2007 10:28:00 AM , Rating: 2
Correction: that should read XP Tablet edition


Vista Home Premium?
By Chadder007 on 6/8/2007 10:49:39 AM , Rating: 2
I would think they would include Vista Business edition instead of Home Premium. Thats just considering that these are probably more useful for business instead of home use.




RE: Vista Home Premium?
By ManuelX on 6/8/2007 11:16:28 AM , Rating: 3
Well, the business edition does not have the Media Center capabilities of the Premium one. Those seem quite important for the UMPC idea.


Competition
By crystal clear on 6/9/2007 4:06:12 AM , Rating: 2
Toshiba plans to launch this month a line of notebook PCs that weigh as little as 1.9 pounds, are 0.77 of an inch thick, and sport up to 12.5 hours of battery life.
The Japanese computer maker plans to release the slim, light notebook June 22 in Japan, and in the United States and other countries soon afterwards. The new product will be sold as the Dynabook SS RX Series in Japan, and the Portege R500 Series in overseas markets.

Models that ship with a 64-Gbyte flash drive weigh less than two pounds, while systems with a 120-Gbyte hard drive weigh 2.4 pounds. Other than the weight, the models have the same form factor, and both boast up to 12.5 hours of battery life.

While Toshiba calls them notebooks, at least one market researcher places the new product in the category of ultramobile PCs, which are smaller than laptops but larger than smartphones, and are good alternatives on short business trips to heavier notebooks. William A. Peters Jr., analyst for Technology Business Research (TBR), said in e-mailed comments that Toshiba's new line is similar to recently previewed or introduced products from Palm, Samsung, Sony, Nokia, HTC, and Fujitsu.

Toshiba's offering has an early advantage over many of the other products by running Windows, which means users can run Microsoft Office, Peters said. Palm, for example, uses Linux in its Foleo device, which means compatibility issues are likely to arise in trying to view Office files.

Rivals, however, are expected to catch up soon with second- and third-generation products. "TBR believes the deciding factor will be cost," Peters said. "With the Portege R500's low end costing $1,999, TBR expects Toshiba to increase offerings, or significantly lower price to compete with its much less costly rivals in the UMPC market." Foleo, for example, sells for $599.

Ultramobile PCs are expected to become the next big thing in the computer industry over the next couple of years.

http://www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.jh...




RE: Competition
By crystal clear on 6/9/2007 6:05:32 AM , Rating: 2
VIA NanoBook UMD Reference Design
Weighing less than 850g and measuring just 230mm x 171mm x 29.4mm, the VIA NanoBook UMD Reference Design makes all day mobile productivity and entertainment a reality with up to 5 hours of battery life.

Powered by the 1.2GHz VIA C7-M ULV processor and the VIA VX700 chipset featuring the VIA UniChrome Pro II IGP integrated graphics core, the VIA NanoBook delivers all the performance and functionality for a rich Windows and Internet experience. Despite its small size, it also comes with a complete set of productivity, multimedia, and connectivity features, including a full keyboard, a 7" WVGA screen with touch panel supporting 840x480 resolution, up to 1GB DDR2 SDRAM, a 30/60GB HDD, and a 4-in-1 card reader, as well as 802.11g WiFi and Bluetooth support, plus an Ethernet, a DVI and two USB2.0 ports plus Mic-In/Speaker-Out ports. The device supports Microsoft Windows XP and Windows Vista.

To further extend the device's functionality, the VIA NanoBook is also equipped with a USB slot next to the screen that can be configured to include a World Time Clock, GPS, DVB, VoIP or even 3G/CDMA wireless broadband modules. The standard model has a smart silver finish, though greater personalization is possible with a variety of shell colour options.

Targeted at aggressive consumer price points, the VIA NanoBook is ideally suited to the consumer, business and education markets and versions of it will be available through leading global OEMs and SIs in the second half of 2007
http://www.via.com.tw/en/initiatives/spearhead/nan...

The VIA Ultra Mobile Platform has won the prestigious "Best of COMPUTEX" Award for Best IC design at this year's Computex Taipei 2007.

About the VIA C7-M Ultra Mobile Platform
The VIA C7-M Ultra Mobile Platform is based on the low power drawing VIA C7-M ULV ultra mobile processor, which has been specifically designed for small form-factor, x86 ultra mobile devices (UMDs). The VIA C7-M ultra mobile processor is based on the VIA CoolStream architecture and is manufactured using IBM's 90nm SOI process, and has a low profile nanoBGA2 package measuring just 21mm x 21mm. VIA C7-M ULV processors are available at speeds of 1.0-1.5GHz with a maximum thermal design power (TDP) as low as 3.5 watts and idle power as little as 0.1 watt, ensuring unparalleled battery life. This is complemented by a highly integrated and power efficient unified chipset, enabling designs with drastically reduced weight, size and thickness.

(I post this information just for "information purposes only"-in context of my earlier comment "competition".
This should NOT be considered as "Promotion")


.
By semo on 6/8/2007 11:44:20 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Vista has been cited as being a resource hog and the 600MHz processor running with Aero enabled coupled with the 4200RPM hard drive could make for some unpleasant customers.
why would the customers be unpleasant?

the biggest reason i dislike today's mobile phones (megapixels, colours and junk) is that they are still very slow. and here we have a device that's bigger and slower.

i wish they had progressed pdas a little further beofore going to umpcs




ok
By sprockkets on 6/8/2007 3:25:27 PM , Rating: 2
800mhz processor + 4200rpm hdd and windows vista, who in their right mind would by that? running the aero interface as well, why? you need that on such a very underpowered and small screen device?




By SiliconAddict on 6/8/2007 3:56:14 PM , Rating: 2
Color me shocked. Shocked I say shocked. *insert rolling of eyes here*

Seriously though. When my T40 1.4Ghz Pentium M with 1.5GB of RAM gets sluggish. WTH would you expect on a 600 or even 800Mhz processor with 1GB of RAM.




By crystal clear on 6/9/2007 12:40:43 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Intel CEO: Silverthorne most important product since the introduction of the Pentium processor


Chicago (IL) – In an interview with German newspaper Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung (FAZ) Intel chief executive officer Paul Otellini compared the importance of its upcoming mobile processor “Silverthorne” with the company’s original 8088 CPU and the 1994 Pentium processor.

Intel previously announced that Silverthorne will debut as part of the “McCaslin” platform in 2008. The processor will replace the recently and quietly introduced A100 and A110 UMPC CPUs, which are basically under-clocked (600 and 800 MHz, respectively) versions of the 90 nm Pentium M processor with Dothan core. The 45 nm Silverthorne chip is expected to be as fast as the second-generation of Pentium M processors, while running in a power envelope between 0.6 and 2.0 watts.

The FAZ article does not provide much information why Silverthorne is so important to Otellini, but it is unlikely that that Intel is just aiming at the cellphone market.
The new CPU will also make its way into UMPCs, which show signs of becoming a replacement for the tablet PC rather than a mass market product, as well as Mobile Internet Devices.
Intel believes that these Mobile Internet Devices, short MIDs, will have four to five times the volume opportunity than a relatively pricey UMPC. With a form factor that fits between the UMPC and a smartphone, a 5” screen, flash-based storage, a light operating system such as Ubuntu Linux (which was shown at IDF) and a $500 price tag, MIDs could be much more attractive for Intel than the UMPC.

http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/32404/118/




What the UMPC will be ?
By crystal clear on 6/9/2007 2:19:15 AM , Rating: 2
Intel-“Silverthorne” ?

While only the industry knows for sure, the UMPC looks like it has hit dead end. To turn it around, there are two possible solutions: Leave it the way it is and sell in smaller volumes to the users who have been purchasing the first two generations of the products or correct the product design mistakes and offer a more tailored product to the mainstream market.

Intel says it will go both ways. In that sense, the UMPC isn’t really dead. I will have to make a prediction here, but as of now the UMPC feels like the Tablet PC all over again. It isn’t hard to imagine that the UMPC will end up in a market niche and replace the Tablet PC, which once was projected to revolutionize the notebook. Will the mass market care? No. It hasn’t cared until now and will not care then.

For the consumer, it gets more interesting. Intel has MIDs in mind, with a price tag of about $500, much less memory than a UMPC, flash memory instead of a hard drive and a very lean operating system. Intel is currently designing a new 45 nm processor, code-named “Silverthorne” for these devices (and future UMPCs). Silverthorne is said to be about as fast as a Pentium M four years ago and cost about as cost-efficient to manufacture as a 286 CPU.

As a result, Silverthorne will not be able to run Windows Vista, according to Kedia. In fact, the MIDs Intel is currently showcasing are running Ubuntu Linux and not Windows. Kedia said that initial MIDS will definitely be running some version of Linux, but the company is also talking to Microsoft to offer “some” version of Windows for the MID.

As an example for an early MID, Kedia pointed to Apple’s iPhone which is rumored to integrate several Intel components

http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/31899/113/1/1/

Misc-

1)The idea of the UMPC is a fantastic playground for innovation, but it actually is a lack of innovation that we saw over the past fourteen months. There was not a single hardware or software idea that was unique to the UMPC and that could take advantage of this form factor. Instead we saw efforts to simply create a smaller notebook (or a more capable PDA, depending on your view) with no extra benefit but extra inconveniences for the user.

2)Kedia cautioned that every new product category needs time to evolve and that even the notebook needed 12 years to hit sales of 1 million units per year. He explained that a product such as the UMPC will require about two to three years until a supporting ecosystem with supporting hardware and software as well as interest from customers will become significant.
However, one could argue that the created expectations outpaced what the industry could deliver at the time and market research clearly missed what customers the UMPC could attract.




In other words...
By ultimatebob on 6/9/2007 5:11:17 PM , Rating: 2
We'll be seeing the 600MHz models for around $599 on Woot soon, since they're a Samsung closeout distributor. Sweet!




By crystal clear on 6/10/2007 7:27:42 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Laptop makers push size, price limits to gain sales

This year's Computex featured laptops ranging from traditional 12-14 inch widths to as svelte as 7 inches, and weighing as little as 900 grams (2 pounds).


"Seven-inch PCs are the perfect size, it fits in my bag and it's still large enough for a full keyboard," said Jason Lin, a PC system product manager from California's PC Club.com, a U.S. computer firm, as he strolled the isles of the show.

Laptops -- computers small enough to fit comfortably on the lap -- have been the standard for portable computing for years. But improving technology is paving the way for more varied devices, such as handheld ultramobile PCs (UMPCs) so tiny they hardly seem like computers at all.

Smaller than traditional laptops and bigger than smartphones, new mobile devices perform most computing tricks and can play videos and games. With more powerful software and new processors added to extend battery life, such UMPCs could rewrite the portable computing story going forward,

http://www.reuters.com/article/technologyNews/idUS...





all this could have been fixed...
By Screwballl on 6/8/07, Rating: -1
RE: all this could have been fixed...
By Lakku on 6/8/2007 10:57:46 AM , Rating: 2
It wouldn't have changed the price all that much I suspect. If they didn't use Windows, something that can be supported by MS rather than solely by Samsung, Samsung would have had to have even more dedicated team members to supporting the device and keeping it up to date. Sure you can support Linux yourself, but not everyone can do that or wants that, especially the kind of people who might actually use this for business. I suspect the cost reduction would have been less than that after adding on the extra support costs that would have been needed for the specialized support.


By SmokeRngs on 6/8/2007 5:50:13 PM , Rating: 2
Actually, I'm not sure the last time I saw a pre-built system from a major manufacturer with a retail copy of an OS. The vast majority are OEM copies which means the company building the machine and putting the OS onto it is responsible for tech support regarding the OS. It doesn't matter what OS is on there.

However, I wouldn't be surprised if the company building the machines is able to buy a support contract from the OS maker which would direct OS calls to the OS maker. However, the starting point would still be the hardware builder and if found to be a non hardware problem, the call would be sent to the OS maker.


By mforce on 6/10/2007 1:25:05 PM , Rating: 2
Samsung just didn't have the guts to do it . They went with the safe way of doing things. Just throw in some Windows Vista and that's that. Including Linux would have indeed given them much more headaches and required some effort but there would have been benefits also.
I think this Samsung thing is too expensive anyway and I would much rather go for this Asus offer ( Eee PC 701 ) :
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=7555
Even if it's 400 $ instead of the 200 $ they said it would cost it's still worth it. And it also runs Linux which is just sweet. It seems MS won't have it so easy in the small devices market with their resource hog named Vista. I actually like XP despite being a Linux fan. It's a good OS and does it's job , I'm not asking for anything more out of a Windows based OS.
Either XP or Linux or both but as for Vista , no thanks , no for me . It doesn't offer anything I want that XP or Linux don't .


By Steve Guilliot on 6/8/2007 10:45:28 PM , Rating: 2
Of course the system would be cheaper, yet they would still sell almost none of them. There is a reason why Linux has only 3% market share despite being FREE. We can argue about the whys, but the fact is that Windows is more popular.

They could just offer users a choice. But, they probably crunched the numbers and decided the small profit on a few linux systems does not justify the development costs (drivers, production, etc). I don't blame them at all.


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