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Windows 2003 R2, 64-bit identifies the "Barcelona" processor as an unknown AMD CPU. (Source: DailyTech, Anh Huynh)

AMD's benchmarking utility reveals all four cores ran at 1.6 GHz. (Source: DailyTech, Anh Huynh)
Quad-Core AMD Opteron demonstrated by MSI, Supermicro, TYAN and Uniwide

AMD took the opportunity at Computex to show server platforms running the Quad-Core AMD Opteron processors, codenamed Barcelona, with the help of MSI, Supermicro, TYAN and Uniwide

The AMD quad-core processors are designed to drop-in (following a BIOS upgrade) with all existing AMD Opteron processor-based systems using DDR2 memory, while also enabling new platform capabilities such as those being demonstrated today.

One vendor demonstrated Barcelona to DailyTech, running at 1.6GHz. According to engineers familiar with the chip technology, the current AMD Barcelona samples are not scaling core frequencies well. AMD partners confirmed the highest running, POST and OS capable, Barcelona processor is 2.0 GHz. AMD previously posted benchmarks of a simulated 2.6 GHz Barcelona.

“We commend AMD for its non-disruptive roadmaps, allowing for a smooth upgrade from dual-core to quad-core,” said Danny Hsu, president, TYAN. “Streamlining and mitigating the complexities customers often face when upgrading their IT infrastructure is especially important in today’s competitive marketplace. TYAN has collaborated with AMD since 2001, and we will continue to support and take advantage of the customer-centric innovation AMD is offering in its quad-core processors when they are made available later this year.”

AMD roadmaps show Barcelona-based Opteron processors will launch in July, but the general consensus from partners is the processor isn’t performing well enough for a July launch.

“Quad-core, codenamed Barcelona will launch later this summer, in the July, August kind of time frame -- followed by [consumer chips] on the desktop... You'll see that in the Christmas line-up,” stated Robert Rivet, AMD executive vice president and CFO, just a few months ago.

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By aurareturn on 6/6/2007 3:56:57 AM , Rating: 1
Wasn't AMD saying that the top model is around 2.5Ghz?

1.6Ghz seems kind of slow even if it's very efficient.

I can't see a 1.6Ghz Barcelona beating a 3.2Ghz Intel Quad.

RE: 1.6Ghz?
By bunnyfubbles on 6/6/2007 4:54:19 AM , Rating: 4
Intel did the same thing with C2D, and just about every chip before that. Same goes for AMD including when they first showed off the Athlon 64 and X2 and all the chips before that.

Basically this is just showing that the architecture is real and working, it isn't final silicon.

RE: 1.6Ghz?
By Thorburn on 6/6/2007 5:41:49 AM , Rating: 3
Given that Barcelona is supposed to be a month from launch its certainly worrying.

By comparison Core 2 Duo launched at up to 2.93GHz with the B-2 stepping.
Looking at the chips that made it onto XtremeSystems in the run up to the launch the A-1 silicon was clocked at up to 2.4GHz, B-0 took this to 2.66GHz and B-1 delivered the final boost to 2.93GHz.

The A-1 stepping was doing the rounds maybe 4 or 5 months before launch and saw a 500MHz increase before launch.
If AMD are demoing at almost 1GHz below there proposed launch speed they clearly have plenty work still to do.

RE: 1.6Ghz?
By Targon on 6/6/2007 8:08:30 AM , Rating: 2
It's possible that AMD is keeping their current samples in-house to keep Intel from pushing out faster chips sooner than they would if they knew the current performance that Barcelona can produce. I would be willing to bet that these current samples are 6 months old, just to throw off Intel's guestimate about the true performance that AMD can get the chips to.

RE: 1.6Ghz?
By zsdersw on 6/6/2007 8:21:32 AM , Rating: 2
Intel and AMD have things they keep from each other, obviously, but I highly doubt the "true performance" of their upcoming chips is among those things.

RE: 1.6Ghz?
By coldpower27 on 6/6/2007 9:24:33 AM , Rating: 3
Possibly but when compared to Intel demonstrating 3.33GHZ Yorkfield 6 months before launch, against AMD's Budapest/Bareclona's at 1.6GHZ 1-2 months before launch. This just doesn't inspire much confidence.

RE: 1.6Ghz?
By eKi on 6/15/2007 9:03:14 PM , Rating: 2
Cant u guys read???

"before 1-2 months from launch"... yes, its the orig date, but didnt u read that text at all?? Many of u saying same, not very good at few months before lauch, but hey guys, u know that christmas is still far away ;)

"AMD roadmaps show Barcelona-based Opteron processors will launch in July, but the general consensus from partners is the processor isn’t performing well enough for a July launch.

“Quad-core, codenamed Barcelona will launch later this summer, in the July, August kind of time frame -- followed by [consumer chips] on the desktop... You'll see that in the Christmas line-up,” stated Robert Rivet, AMD executive vice president and CFO, just a few months ago."

It says it very clearly i think, it was supposed to launch in july, but amd vice president himself said it will be seen in christmas line-up, & christmas isnt 1-2 months away, is it now? :D

RE: 1.6Ghz?
By melgross on 6/7/07, Rating: 0
RE: 1.6Ghz?
By P4blo on 6/11/2007 12:21:04 PM , Rating: 2
AMD plays dead, I love it. Then when the time comes they'll whip out some 3Ghz badboys and Intel will be like "mofos!" and slap them about with 45nm ;-)

Very curious to know which one is the most efficient though. Clock for clock.

RE: 1.6Ghz?
By INTC on 6/6/2007 5:45:11 AM , Rating: 2
This article from Spring 2006 IDF dated March 7, 2006 shows a C2D at 2.66 GHz beating an Athlon FX-60 overclocked to 2.8 GHz. That was over 4 months before the official C2D launch last July. AMD said that they didn't want to reveal clock speeds or benchmarks so as not to show all of their cards to the competition but if they don't show something better than just working architecture very soon, they are going to miss the boat. I doubt too many OEMs will be waiting around too long and risk having to make the same announcement as Cray yesterday.

RE: 1.6Ghz?
By Behlal on 6/6/2007 12:00:20 PM , Rating: 3
Yes, but who knows what NDAs OEMs are having to sign to get these chips. For all we know, AMD has already given higher speed samples out, but an NDA agreement stops them using them at trade shows. My point is that we only know that the public have been shown 1.6GHz Barcelona chips. We don't know anything else. This of course is one of our current complaints with AMD, they are playing their cards way too close to their chest.

RE: 1.6Ghz?
By melgross on 6/7/2007 1:37:06 AM , Rating: 2
But there isn't any point to it.

What are their customers thinking?

If they tell their customers that the actual chip speeds are much higher, then you don't think it will get out anyway?

RE: 1.6Ghz?
By Nil Einne on 6/11/2007 4:27:11 PM , Rating: 1
The point to it is to keep Intel guessing and perhaps also so that their end users are amazed when they actual launch the beasts.

As for it getting out, who said the info hasn't? The Inquirer has claimed at various times they're clocking well. Who's to know whether this was from a customer leaking info, AMD trying to hype things up, Intel trying to hype AMD up so they have a big fall or something The Inquirer found somewhere that was complete BS? The trouble is that even when these sort of detail leak, if the wrap is tight enough no one knows if they're true or not so everyone remains guessing...

RE: 1.6Ghz?
By Regs on 6/6/2007 7:24:30 AM , Rating: 2
I could agree. Though like what was state below this a month before launch is cutting it pretty close to now show what you have to offer. 1GHz below spec is what I call a little worrying. There is also a letter going around to AMDs partners that they wont make the deadline sending AMDs stock down. Confirmed or not, it still makes an impact and shows how AMD's tight lips is becoming more troublesome than for the better good. The only conclusion I can make is that AMD still has a lot more work to do, and I'm getting the feeling that the first spin of the K10 is going to end up like the X600. Under performing and not competitive on the high end.

RE: 1.6Ghz?
By Roy2001 on 6/6/2007 2:23:41 PM , Rating: 2
Intel did the same thing with C2D, and just about every chip before that.
Intel demoed a 2.66Ghz Conroe CPU long before C2D lunch.

RE: 1.6Ghz?
By Justin Case on 6/6/2007 12:35:27 PM , Rating: 1
First Opterons shown were running at 800 MHz, so I guess they can say they doubled the speed. ;-)

RE: 1.6Ghz?
By Screwballl on 6/7/2007 10:20:02 AM , Rating: 2
during AMDs launch of the Athlon64, they were releasing 1.6GHz versions that were stomping Intels 3.0GHz versions... at first people just rolled their eyes and kept buying the toaster oven Intels.. until the real performance news got out which put AMD in the fast lane taking a strong chunk of market share from Intel. Intel tried everything they could to take a chunk back and for sometime we didn't know if they would. Then they take the same route AMD did with a lower core speed, dual cores with more efficiency and we have the current king Core 2 Duo. AMD has been the innovator for the past decade or so with Intel taking cues but still flexing their own muscle. Some technologies were simply stolen (AMD64/EM64T anyone) or at least modified enough to fit their sales structure.
I am not sure if the Barcelona will be the next Athlon64 but if they pull it off we will see Core2Duo in the bargain bins much like the PentiumDs were.

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