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AMD's Avivo HD slide material specifically details AMD UVD as a subset of the Avivo HD family (Source: TechReport, Scott Wasson)

AMD guide highlighting the lack of UVD from the same presentation as above (Source: Beyond3D, Geo Rule)
Regardless of what you may have heard, ATI's newest Radeon does not have hardware or software HD acceleration

AMD has hit another obstacle with its ATI Radeon HD 2900 XT. After constant delays, weak performance improvements and questionable benchmark tactics, AMD’s Universal Video Decoder is the new source of controversy.

The ATI Radeon HD 2900 XT lacks AMD’s highly touted UVD hardware video processing engine, a feature highlighted in roadmaps. Not only that, AMD continues to tout its entire ATI Radeon HD 2000-series as having UVD, when in fact it is only the 65nm HD 2600 and HD 2400 series that possess the hardware decoding capabilities.

Scott Wasson from TechReport came across the issue while testing the UVD features. "True to my word, I set out yesterday to test HD video decode acceleration on a Radeon HD 2900 XT using an HD DVD drive and a version of PowerDVD supplied by AMD for such purposes," he said. "To my surprise, CPU utilization during playback on our Core 2 Extreme X6800 test system ran between 40 and 50%, well above what one would expect from a solution with full HD video decode acceleration."

Wasson proceeded to contact AMD with his results. AMD confirmed the ATI Radeon HD 2900 XT does indeed lack UVD hardware processing capabilities on the GPU and offers video decoding performance on par with the last generation ATI Radeon X1000-series, according to Dave Bauman, technical marketing manager, ATI.

AMD advertises the ATI Radeon HD 2900 XT features Avivo HD support, despite the lack of UVD. AMD’s Avivo HD page lists UVD as part of the Avivo HD feature set.
Smooth HD Video Playback with UVD
ATI Avivo HD technology is designed for high-end, high definition video playback in home theater systems. Free your CPU to power other applications with new UVD (Unified Video Decoder) hardware processing of HD video formats.

UVD is a dedicated video decode processing unit on ATI Radeon HD 2000 series graphics processors that offloads both CPU and GPU rendering pipelines. UVD technology reduces power use, decreases system noise and increases notebook battery life during HD video playback.

Wasson was not the only journalist fooled by AMD’s presentations and guides, Marco Chiapetta of HotHardware and Ryan Shrout of PC Perspective have become victims as well.

AMD public relations, speaking off the record, tells DailyTech that all trade publications should have known UVD was not present on the 2900 XT.  One representative cites the Radeon 2900 family introduction (PDF), claiming, "ATI Avivo HD is a technology platform that includes a broad set of capabilities offered by certain ATI Radeon HD 2000 GPUs. Not all products have all features and full enablement of some ATI AvivoHD capabilities may require complementary products."

Geo Rule from Beyond3D points out that other AMD guidance did indicate UVD was not present on R600.  More specifically, he adds that the UVD feature slide never explicitly states UVD is present on Radeon HD 2900, while the same slide states UVD is present on Radeon HD 2400 and Radeon HD 2600.

When asked why AMD never contacted any trade publications to correct the misconception that UVD was included in Radeon 2900, our contact declined to comment.  He did add that full HD acceleration is present on the R600 ASIC, and it will eventually be enabled via driver updates.

“Unfortunately, try as we might, we could not get UVD to work with the current drivers provided by AMD and the PowerDVD release that is supposed to enable the hardware acceleration on HD 2000 series parts,” states AnandTech Senior CPU and Graphics Editor Derek Wilson. “We will have to take a second look at hardware decode when AMD and CyberLink or Intervideo get their software in order.”

AMD has not released a driver that takes advantage of the ATI Radeon HD 2000-series multimedia features nor has a software company released a player that takes advantage of the hardware.

Last year ATI made false claims of HDCP compatibility with its Radeon X1900-series graphics cards, despite the lack of HDCP keys.  Eventually ATI was sued over these claims under false advertising pretenses.

ATI board partners potentially face the same false advertising claims.  Today, no less than four AIB partners claim UVD support on their Radeon HD 2900 XT boxart.  Surprisingly absent from that list: Built-by-ATI boards.


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That Hurts
By chrispyski on 5/25/2007 5:32:06 PM , Rating: 3
The same decoding capabilities as the X1000 series? Absolutely absurd especially when their touting it's multimedia capabilities with its sound pass through and HDMI dongle. I'm sorry but this sounds like false advertising to me.

They'd better get on that update and quick or their gonna be facing some litigation.




RE: That Hurts
By jak3676 on 5/25/2007 5:37:22 PM , Rating: 3
So it's there in the hardware, but not enabled by current drivers?


RE: That Hurts
By KristopherKubicki (blog) on 5/25/2007 5:39:59 PM , Rating: 5
There is no UVD chip on the 2900. The R600 ASIC can supposedly handle HD acceleration, but that has not been enabled yet either apparently.


RE: That Hurts
By chrispyski on 5/25/2007 5:46:51 PM , Rating: 2
Wow, I stand corrected. Thanks Kris.

There may very well be some sort of litigation coming, update or not...


RE: That Hurts
By Samus on 5/25/2007 7:22:16 PM , Rating: 2
Right, only their 65nm parts even have the technology even embedded. Everything else doesn't even have it on-die.

That's a big oversight. nVidia is going to grind this into their products now because AMD lacks them.


RE: That Hurts
By wingless on 5/26/2007 12:41:14 AM , Rating: 2
Nvidia basically pulled the same bulls**t with the 8xxx series. The 8800GTX/GTS cards don't have full PureVideo 2. Only the midrange/lowend POS's have all the on-board decoding capabilities.

Honestly though, if you buy one of these video cards in the first place then its safe to say you probably have a fast ass processor that can easily handle UVD or whatever you throw at it. I for one hope that atleast Nvidia will have full PureVideo 2 in their 8900 refresh this summer. We really shouldnt knock ATI too bad for this since a little bit of the problem is their beta drivers.

ATI's only crime is releasing a card 6 months late with BETA drivers which killed it's launch. They should have made us wait another month and come out with decent working software as not to lose any more face.


RE: That Hurts
By defter on 5/26/2007 3:57:35 AM , Rating: 2
You are missing the point here. NVidia never claimed that 8800 series has purevideo 2. AMD/ATI is still saying on their 2900 pages that: "ATI Avivo™ HD Video and Display Platform" is supported: http://ati.amd.com/products/radeonhd2900/specs.htm...

On other page they clearly state that Avivo HD contains UVD: "Smooth HD Video Playback with UVD
ATI Avivo HD technology is designed for high-end, high definition video playback in home theater systems. Free your CPU to power other applications with new UVD (Unified Video Decoder) hardware processing of HD video formats.":
http://ati.amd.com/technology/avivo/features.html
Thus, they still continue lying about UVD in HD 2900XT.

Let's look at NVidia site: "NVIDIA® GeForce® 8600 and 8500 series GPUs feature NVIDIA® PureVideo™ HD under Windows Vista™ with a revolutionary new video processing engine."
http://www.nvidia.com/page/purevideo_hd.html
There is no confusion, since NVidia doesn't claim that 8800 series has the same capabilities.


RE: That Hurts
By Aikouka on 5/29/2007 8:48:34 AM , Rating: 1
Maybe nVidia and the vendors should get in touch then?

eVGA e-GeForce 8800GTX
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N8...
"The NVIDIA PureVideo HD Technology offers high-definition video decoding and delivers videos with unprecedented clarity to convert your PC into a high-end home-theater system."


RE: That Hurts
By Deekity on 5/29/2007 12:31:49 PM , Rating: 2
Why? It doesn't claim Purevideo 2 ....it's claims are in accordance with the featureset of the board


RE: That Hurts
By Aikouka on 5/29/2007 2:20:08 PM , Rating: 5
The 8600's feature page doesn't list PureVideo 2 either, what's your point? Oh wait, if you look, nVidia's link for the 8600's features and benefits redirects you to the 8800's features and benefits page.

Then they so conveniently say that hardware acceleration delivering lower CPU use is "model dependent." So since both the 8800 and 8600 reference the same page, both count under models referred to by the statement. Since the 8600 has it and the 8800 does not, this becomes valid, but annoyingly sneaky.

Personally, I own an 8800GTX and it does peeve me a bit that a cheaper card in a lower designation has features that nVidia was too cheap to put on my card. But now they're being sued for setting prices... ?


RE: That Hurts
By carage on 5/30/2007 9:50:51 AM , Rating: 2
It's not the first time nVidia pulled off something like this.
I was also pretty peeved when I learned that my 6800 GT lacks features available on the lower end models.


RE: That Hurts
By MDE on 5/26/2007 9:34:17 PM , Rating: 2
No, it's more like the BS Nvidia pulled with the whole NV40 PVP fiasco.


RE: That Hurts
By leexgx on 5/27/2007 5:09:07 PM , Rating: 2
look up


RE: That Hurts
By iVTec on 5/25/2007 6:15:32 PM , Rating: 1
So if i got that right, there can be hardware decoding via the shaders but not by using an on-board UVD chip,right?It seems ATI'll face quite a few lawsuits soon unfortunately...


RE: That Hurts
By drebo on 5/25/2007 6:45:59 PM , Rating: 3
Uhm, didn't we already know this? I distinctly remember seeing an HD DVD benchmark that had the 2600 outperforming the 2900 and pointing to this as the cause.

Strike one for the sensationalists.


RE: That Hurts
By drebo on 5/25/2007 6:49:22 PM , Rating: 2
I stand corrected. The article I was thinking of was for the 8600 series.

Still, though. Why is this a bad thing when it's AMD leaving it out of the high end card, when none of the 8800-series GeForce cards have full hardware decode accelleration?


RE: That Hurts
By gramboh on 5/25/2007 6:52:31 PM , Rating: 2
I know it isn't in my 8800GTS and I think that is stupid, the technology was there and for the price of a higher end card they should include hardware decoding, even if most machines using the card are powerful enough to do it CPU.


RE: That Hurts
By Christopher1 on 5/26/2007 9:43:23 AM , Rating: 2
I have to agree. What about the people who are running a MM system with more than one monitor, and want to do something else while their kids are watching a movie, or something similar?


RE: That Hurts
By OMGBS LIES on 5/27/2007 11:24:26 PM , Rating: 4
who in their right mind would want this thing in a HTPC ???

this is something built for gaming not for sitting in a crap low profile setup for viewing content. it makes sense to me anyway to use a low/mainstream card eg: HD2400 which will provide full vc-1 / avc HD content with no need for fans etc..

i dont understand the logic here, and didnt nvidia do EXACTLY the same thing with there high end cards, no h264 speedup on their top cards...

anyways its all bollox...


RE: That Hurts
By deeznuts on 5/28/2007 11:36:18 PM , Rating: 2
You do know some people game on their HTPC right? There is no one cookie cutter mold for an HTPC which makes the HTPC so appealing, it's very versatile.

You don't understand the logic here, maybe you have no logic? Nvidia never claimed their high-end cards have the "h264" speedup on their top cards. AMD/ATI is.


RE: That Hurts
By carage on 5/30/2007 9:58:04 AM , Rating: 2
Apparently you don't know there are people who also watch movies on their game PC that just happens to be their primary rig.
Get a 30" LCD or 42" Plasma plus some decent speakers...voila...your game PC is also a decent movie player/TV.
As of the noise, well...when your speakers are doing their job, I don't think noise from the fans are much of a problem. I doubt many people are capable of distinguishing the hiss of the fan motor when there are buildings exploding.
Power consumption? If someone could afford a rig like this, chances are electric bills is a non-issue.


RE: That Hurts
By chrispyski on 5/25/2007 5:40:47 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
He did add that full HD acceleration is present on the R600 ASIC, and it will eventually be enabled via driver updates.


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