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Lawsuit claims LCD screens on Apple's current notebooks are not capable of millions of colors

Apple Inc. has been in and out of the courtroom a number of times this year for patent infringements, product defects and mostly to defend its iPhone. This week, Apple finds itself in the courtroom again, this time facing a class action lawsuit alleging the LCD screens on its MacBook and MacBook Pro laptops are substandard. The claim also alleges Apple advertised its screens as being superior, but knowingly shipped screens that did not meet its original claims.

The class action lawsuit points out the glossy screens Apple introduced with the launched of its MacBook last year. Apple advertised that the new glossy screens provided users with deeper blacks and whites that are more vibrant. However, many customers experienced graininess and sparkling effects common to dithering techniques, according to the lawsuit.

According to the complaint:

Many such dissatisfied purchasers were chastised by Apple agents and employees for being too picky about their assessments of the quality of the display. Other dissatisfied purchasers were told that they were imagining the complained about defects.

The complaint also points out that many of the disgruntled customers posted messages on Apple's own forums only later to have their posts moderated or completely removed by Apple forum administrators.

"It appears that Apple has engaged in substantial editing of the posts on the discussion forum," the lawsuit indicates.

The lawsuit alleges Apple uses dithering techniques to create an illusion of colors that don't actually exist. In fact, the lawsuit claims if a MacBook or MacBook Pro users installs Windows XP, they will notice superior image quality in areas such as gradients. The test seems to indicate Apple is using some sort of software at work in OS X.

"The displays are only capable of displaying the illusion of millions of colors through the use of a software technique referred to as 'dithering'," the lawsuit claims.


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I call BS
By Shadowself on 5/18/2007 2:51:15 PM , Rating: -1
Apple has been using 24 bit colors and calling it "millions of colors" since the Macintosh II days back in the late 80s.

The OS does 99.99% of the color management (unless the application breaks Apple's developer "rules" and drives the screen directly) and the "Core" features for screen draws (as Apple calls them) do 24 bit (millions in Apple speak) color or 16 bit (thousands in Apple speak) or 8 bit (256 in Apple speak) color depending on what you pick in the preferences (or control panel if your using a pre OS X system).

All color on the compute screen is really a set of neighboring red, green and blue colors each manipulated at 8 bits. There is NO screen that has EVER been 24 bits in a single point on the screen. This has been the industry standard (using 3 colors to simulate the intervening "colors") since the 50s and analog systems. Each and every home TV (analog or digital) uses the same technique. This technique goes all the way back to the era of Georges Seurat in the late 1800s (the most famous of which is "A Sunday on La Grande Jatte").

Apple should be able to clearly show that the OS has done 24 bit color since the late 80s and that the DAC (digital to analog converters) used to drive the screens since the introduction of the PowerBook 180c a decade ago also support 8 bits per red, green and blue. (Before then all Apple color displays were CRTs.) I'd be shocked if the screens (which Apple and virtually all the other personal computer manufacturers buys from the same sources) do not allow the full range of 8 bits per red, green or blue.

This lawsuit is pure BS and the lawfirm should be sanctioned for filing it. Lawfirms have a responsibility to do minimal due diligence before they file suits. This firm clearly did not do this. Sanction them! And Apple should counter sue the plaintiffs for all costs!




RE: I call BS
By SpinCircle on 5/18/2007 3:12:36 PM , Rating: 4
They are accused of the screens being substandard to what was advertised. Almost sounds like a shill from Apple made the above post.


RE: I call BS
By Shadowself on 5/21/2007 3:02:23 AM , Rating: 1
I'm not a shill from Apple. I've never worked for them and NEVER will. I could never bow to their stupid reality distortion. Period. Implying that I'm a shill from Apple is just plain stupid.

Apple buys screens from the same companies that virtually every other personal computer manufacturer does. Dell buys from the same companies. HP buys from the same companies. Lenovo buys from the same companies.

To state that Apple's screens are inferior to those of other personal computer manufacturers is pure BS.

This sounds too much like the lawsuit brought against Apple years ago about CRTs when the manufacturers and every PC maker was selling 21" monitors. Apple got sued because the viewable area within the bezel was only 20". That was just as stupid as this one is. However Apple will have to spend a fair amount of money fighting this one too.


RE: I call BS
By RyanHirst on 5/18/2007 3:57:05 PM , Rating: 4
This is simply false.

The leap taken here isn't about multiplying 3 8-bit subpixels and getting 24-bit color.

The apple panels were 6-bit. You might be "surprised" and it may strike you as "utter BS" but Apple indeed marketed LCDs not capable of 8 bits/pixel. Even if one grants that at one point in time, the whole pixel is one of 2^24 colors (and everyone grants this except you), the panels in question have pixels that can only display one of 2^18 colors:

8-bit: one point (sufficiently large; i.e. 1 pixel) at one instant in time: 1 of 16.7 million colors
6-bit: one point (idem) at one instant in time: 1 of 262,144 colors
6-bit, as marketed: One point (idem) averaged over a sufficiently small WINDOW in time (i.e. long enough for our subpixels to alternate, but not so long as to blur with the next color sent to that pixel): 1 of 16.2 million colors.

I suspect you will agree that this leap is difficult to justify.

However, that is industry standard. The correct targets are panel manufacturers. Honestly, the best solution, but one that doesn't make people as happy as suing, is taking all the time enery, and $$ wasted on this lawsuit and using them to force a revision of the standards governing the technical specifications for LCD panels. As it stands, this suit will probably be dismissed outright, because the legitimate source of the deceptive information are defined, industry standards, which obfuscate the meaning of "discrete colors," and with which Apple and its panel manufacturers have operated in full compliance.


RE: I call BS
By spluurfg on 5/19/2007 6:28:33 AM , Rating: 2
I have to agree. I think it would be simple and sufficient if displays, when sold, were clearly labeled as either being 6 or 8 bit displays; when I was shopping for my display, I had to ignore about half of the choices on the market because they simply didn't list whether they were 6/8/18/24bit (however they wanted to write it) or displayed 16.2/16.7 million colors (I require 24bit color and A-RGB color profile for photo editing).

Honestly, it wouldn't be that hard for the manufacturers to list this.


RE: I call BS
By Shadowself on 5/21/2007 2:53:42 AM , Rating: 1
Show me the specs on the LCDs that Apple ships that clearly state the LCDs are only capable of 6 bits for each of Red, Green and Blue!

No one in this forum (or any other I have read) has given manufacturer's specs on the LCD screens themselves. Until someone does then I still call BS.

All your ranting about "LCDs not capable of 8 bits/pixel" is pure BS until you give the model of the LCDs themselves along with manufacturer specs.

Additionally, each "pixel" is almost NEVER 8 bit unless you are talking about the 256 color mode! Each pixel is made up of 3 (count them! -- red, green and blue ... yep 3!) subpixels that make up one full pixel. There NEVER has been a 6-bit pixel! No one has ever mass produced a LCD panel which has only two bits per red, green and blue.


RE: I call BS
By Fritzr on 5/22/2007 5:05:53 AM , Rating: 2
Many of the posts early in this thread stated clearly what the 6bit & 8bit designations meant.

Since you missed the above

6bit LCD has three colors per display pixel. The numeric value for each of the three colors requires 6 bits. These displays are also designated 18bit displays due to the number of bits required to specify all 3 color values.

8bit LCD has three colors per display pixel. The numeric value for each of the three colors requires 8 bits. These displays are also designated 24bit displays due to the number of bits required to specify all 3 color values.

A rare variant uses a 32b color value & assigns 10bits per color. the remaining 2bits of the color value remain unused.

Video cards may add data for the alpha channel. a 6 bit display for this standard uses a 24 bit color value & the 8 bit display requires 32 bits per display pixel.

The above obviously applies only to LCD displays that use RGB. For Monochrome displays it is usual to convert the RGB value to the 8bit value corresponding to the brightness of the pixel. Or if it is a 6bit monochrome display, the 6bit grayscale value.

Also stated in many posts is that the manufacturers, resellers and OEMs building devices using the LCD parts do not disclose which of the 3 bit levels is used. LCDs supporting the 10bit standard are likely to be the exception as they will be selling into a specialty market that will pay premium prices for 10b hardware.

Simulated 8 or 10 bit per color generates visible artifacts for certain colors. This inaccurate color rendering is visible if any of the problem colors are used. This is why real 8bit has 16.7m colors and simulated 8bit has 16.2m colors. It is also why trained users can see a visible difference in the result.

Now back to the regularly scheduled discussion :)


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