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Classic RTS gameplay to be revitalized with StarCraft II, coming to PC and Mac

After months of speculation on what Blizzard’s next big title will be, it was revealed today at the Blizzard Worldwide Invitational in South Korea that StarCraft would indeed be getting a sequel. StarCraft II was announced in front of thousands of attendees at the special event, who received a presentation that included a StarCraft II cinematic trailer and a gameplay demonstration by the development team.

Rather than go down the massively multiplayer route that Blizzard’s fantasy world has gone, StarCraft II is designed to follow in the footsteps of the original – to be the ultimate competitive real-time strategy game. In addition to the requisite online play through Battle.net, StarCraft II will include a single-player campaign. In addition, the game will come with the same map editing tools used by Blizzard’s designers so users can create new maps.

StarCraft II will feature the return of the Protoss, Terran, and Zerg races, overhauled and re-imagined with several new units and new game play mechanics. The single-player campaign is to pick up where StarCraft: Brood War left off, though Blizzard was tight-lipped on revealing any part of the new story.

While Blizzard has created a 3D engine system for Warcraft III, and to an even greater extent for World of Warcraft, the developer says that StarCraft II will feature a custom 3D graphics and physics engine with the ability to handle “several large, highly detailed units and massive armies on-screen simultaneously.”

“With StarCraft II, we’ll be able to do everything we wanted to do with the original StarCraft and more,” stated Mike Morhaime, president and cofounder of Blizzard Entertainment. “We recognize that expectations are high following the long-running popularity of the original game, but we plan to meet those expectations and deliver an engaging, action-packed, competitive experience that StarCraft players and strategy gamers worldwide will enjoy.”

No release date came with the announcement, but Blizzard did confirm StarCraft II will simultaneously release on Windows and Macintosh PC platforms. Despite recent successful efforts by other RTS franchises to move to home consoles, Blizzard says it has “no current plans to bring the game to any console platform.” Further information about the game, including details on the single-player, multiplayer, map-editor features and system requirements will be announced in the months ahead. Screenshots, trailers and other media can be found on the official StarCraft II website.

Although Blizzard is a U.S.-based game developer, the StarCraft franchise is unquestionably the most popular amongst gamers in South Korea – a likely reason for the location of the announcement. According to the Korea Times, nearly 4 million copies of the original StarCraft have been sold in Korea alone since its debut in 1998, making up about 42 percent of its global sales of 9.5 million copies.



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OMG
By bubbacub616 on 5/19/2007 6:14:23 AM , Rating: 6
OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG




RE: OMG
By leidegre on 5/19/2007 6:38:14 AM , Rating: 5
Couldn't have put it in any better way!


RE: OMG
By MADAOO7 on 5/19/2007 4:40:10 PM , Rating: 2
I had to change my shorts after reading this article. Finally, the best game ever gets a sequel. Shessh, took them long enough - I remember running this on my 233 Pentium MMX in all of it's 800x600 glory!


RE: OMG
By Alpha4 on 5/19/2007 4:55:07 PM , Rating: 2
Hehe. Sorry dude. Try 640x480. The game made my Pentium 75 crawl at times, but they were good times none the less.


RE: OMG
By leexgx on 5/20/2007 12:04:17 AM , Rating: 2
before i had faster pcs in house had to do with p133 or 166 as wel as my faster pcs

First thing i do is Wipe them out first (then game goes lag free heh)


RE: OMG
By MADAOO7 on 5/20/2007 12:47:42 AM , Rating: 1
You know I was thinking that originally....wow, 640x480 - times certainly have changed, I now have a 15.4" laptop that displays 1680x1050....


RE: OMG
By Adahiyast on 5/22/2007 1:14:45 AM , Rating: 2
I have a 15.4" laptop that displays 1920x1200. Most useless idea I've ever seen in a laptop :O. At least it interpolates decently due to the high res.


RE: OMG
By P4blo on 5/24/2007 12:06:18 PM , Rating: 2
I have the same, DPI is the key. Up the DPI in display properties then tweak your title bars and icon font sizes and hay presto. Only down side is some web page images dont scale too well.... My laptop is my lifesaver when I go on an install abroad. The extra productivity I get from those pixels is invaluable. I just sit nice and close to the screen when working ;-)


RE: OMG
By Flunk on 5/22/2007 1:40:31 PM , Rating: 2
My PDA has a 480x640 screen (3.7 inch). Seems so low for a 17inch screen now.


RE: OMG
By Darth Farter on 5/19/2007 7:01:17 AM , Rating: 2
(me & friends a couple of years back at the uni) "...Starcraft? STARCRAAAAAFT!1!!!"

blizzard >> EA

now please bring Diablo 3


RE: OMG
By Mgz on 5/19/2007 11:19:55 AM , Rating: 2
Diablo fan should stop whining in every SCII related news/info. Starcraft deserved it since the fan and everyone wait 3 years longer (brood war was released in 1998 vs Diablo 2: LoD in 2001) and SC rightfully deserved it first!

a must buy and pre-order but, knows Blizzard so well, I know that it might be delayed until 2009, lol


RE: OMG
By shraz on 5/19/07, Rating: -1
RE: OMG
By FITCamaro on 5/20/07, Rating: 0
RE: OMG
By snyper256 on 5/20/2007 10:51:21 PM , Rating: 3
WoW isn't THAT easy at endgame.. ;p

Diablo II did have upgraded graphics over Diablo.


RE: OMG
By AzureKevin on 5/19/2007 11:51:45 AM , Rating: 5
As much as I would like to see a Diablo III, I have reason to doubt that that game might never see the light of day. The main reason is the fact that Blizzard North, the developers of the Diablo series, has closed down. Half of the members who were key in the Diablo franchise started their own company, Flagship Studios. The other half formed Castaway Entertainment. If you want to play a Diablo-esque game anytime soon, I'd definitely look into Hellgate: London; everything about it screams Diablo, except it's more futuristic.


RE: OMG
By kristof007 on 5/19/2007 12:58:53 PM , Rating: 2
Somebody is up on their knowledge of what's going on with Diablo III. I agree the closest thing we will see is Hellgate: London. It's going to be third person though.

It's looking like my dreaming is coming true though. I wanted to play SC2 with the same (i think it's called isometric .. could be wrong) angle and from the screen shots it's looking like it's the same.


RE: OMG
By AzureKevin on 5/19/2007 2:14:47 PM , Rating: 2
I've been reading a lot of Wikipedia lately.


RE: OMG
By noirsoft on 5/19/2007 3:17:42 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
i think it's called isometric


Just to be technical...

Isometric refers to a 3d view where parallel lines stay parallel and objects do not shrink as they get farther away. Clearly most sprite-based pseudo-3d games (like the original SC) used an isometric view, simply because it was technically easier to implement than a real 3d view. It's not gameplay important, and probably isn't what you meant in your post.

I think the camera angle you are refering to doesn't have a really technical term for it other than maybe calling it "bird's eye view"


RE: OMG
By someguy123 on 5/19/2007 4:35:13 PM , Rating: 2
i think its going to be like wc3 where you can edit the camera angle as well as playing from the original "birds eye view".


RE: OMG
By KernD on 5/19/2007 10:04:38 PM , Rating: 2
I was told by someone who had family who worked there that they were working on Diablo 3 before they closed Blizzard North down and moved the workforce to Blizzard HQ.

And from a currently employed source I was told that they are working on all 3 IP, but I don't know if that means WC4 or just WoW for the Warcraft IP.


RE: OMG
By mushi799 on 5/19/2007 2:16:02 PM , Rating: 3
The official story: "We'd definitely like to revisit the Diablo universe in the future, but we haven't announced any plans to do so at this time."--Blizzard rep.


RE: OMG
By AzureKevin on 5/19/2007 8:21:35 PM , Rating: 1
I've read that before. However, the story with Blizzard North is that they were actually their own company, Condor, before Blizzard bought them and renamed them to Blizzard North. Blizzard bought Condor only six months before they released Diablo, so I'd imagine that Condor had been working on Diablo before Blizzard bought them out. Although Blizzard owns the Diablo IP, all of the people who were instrumental to the creation of Diablo and Diablo II are no longer with Blizzard. If Blizzard did decide to create a Diablo III, would it be as good as the first and second? In my opinion, Flagship Studios and Castaway Entertainment are two companies that I would definitely keep my eye on. If, in five years from now (because you know it will take that long), Blizzard does release Diablo III, I'll definitely check it out, but for now, Hellgate: London.


RE: OMG
By KernD on 5/19/2007 10:16:41 PM , Rating: 2
Half and Half, wow... thats BS.

I know that when they closed B-N down, no one lost there job, they were relocated to B-HQ, some didn't want to move and left Blizzard for other companies, like Valve...

The 4 founders of Condor had already left to form Flagship at that time.


RE: OMG
By thartist on 5/21/2007 5:17:17 PM , Rating: 2
But on the isometric RPG, just play TitanQuest + expansion, it will flash you, the very best Diablo clone with some pluses!


RE: OMG
By venny on 5/19/2007 9:42:34 AM , Rating: 1
OMG! i've been so waiting for this for like almsot a decade!!!


RE: OMG
By PsYStuMmY on 5/19/2007 9:58:48 AM , Rating: 2
i forsee reliving my college days of long late night BW sessions. hopefully it'll be out in the 1st quarter of '08, but highly doubt it =(


RE: OMG
By NagoyaX on 5/19/2007 10:31:22 AM , Rating: 1
Yeah i know what u mean, if the SC1 and Diablo II was any indication, it will be another 3-5 years before the game is out... and even then we can expect delays!


RE: OMG
By MrDiSante on 5/19/2007 11:00:26 AM , Rating: 1
Nope - they promised a sequel less than a decade after the release of Starcraft. So it should be out in less than a year. Aside from that OMG OMG OMG OMG YES!!!!!!!!!!! SCGASM!!!! I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS FOREVER!!!!!!!!!!!


RE: OMG
By StevoLincolnite on 5/19/2007 9:48:01 PM , Rating: 2
You have been waiting a decade? StarCraft 1 has been out for 9 years, It came out April 1st, 1998. As far as I know its still
may the 20th of 2007. (I think, to much alcohol these days).
I was one of those people who got it asap on the day. I waited at Gameheaven (a games shop in my town) thankfully I knew the owner, so I was in the back room, drooling over the game while they played the campaign, The graphics were incredible for back then!


RE: OMG
By StevoLincolnite on 5/19/07, Rating: 0
RE: OMG
By SquidianLoveGod on 5/19/07, Rating: -1
RE: OMG
By B on 5/19/2007 12:07:51 PM , Rating: 2
I look foward to playing with you all online.


RE: OMG
By TSS on 5/20/2007 5:42:02 AM , Rating: 5
no you dont. its no use for us western people to go online since in no time those crazy koreans will own us all...


RE: OMG
By SilverMirage on 5/21/2007 12:44:04 AM , Rating: 3
-_-


RE: OMG
By coldpower27 on 5/21/2007 3:46:17 AM , Rating: 2
Incredible!!!


RE: OMG
By Master Kenobi (blog) on 5/21/2007 1:19:35 PM , Rating: 2
Time for me to re-install and get SC working on Vista. Need.... To..... Play......


RE: OMG
By Korvon on 5/23/2007 4:38:15 PM , Rating: 2
Run as Admin, with Xp compatibility, and if that doesnt work install in your user folder. Vista allows much more access to games that are run from the user folder than anywhere else on the PC... even other drives. Its odd like that. Worked for me. :)


RE: OMG
By Master Kenobi (blog) on 5/24/2007 8:54:06 AM , Rating: 2
It worked for me without having to mess with compatability at all...... Count on Blizzard to write an installer that DOESNT violate windows security models. Now that Vista actually enforces them, I notice most EA games wont install and run properly. PWNT!


RE: OMG
By sprockkets on 5/22/2007 3:31:53 PM , Rating: 2
I don't think any other time you say that here would earn a 6 ROFL


sc1??
By poohbear on 5/19/2007 6:39:04 AM , Rating: 1
man those screenshots were a bit disappointing, i felt like i was looking @ SC1!! if these game is to be released next year, those graphics are really behind the times.




RE: sc1??
By m104 on 5/19/2007 7:47:28 AM , Rating: 2
i think it looks great


RE: sc1??
By threepac3 on 5/19/2007 7:52:15 AM , Rating: 4
You know what it seems that it is in the same vein as Supreme Commander in that the maps are gigantic.

I jumped into the PC world quite late ~1999 when I got my first PC. StarCraft was the first PC game I bought and Brood War was the second. So I have heavy nostalgia for this game, I can't wait --best birthday news ever.


RE: sc1??
By GoatMonkey on 5/19/2007 9:58:38 AM , Rating: 2
Happy birthday.

I think the graphics are not the main reason that people play starcraft. The original still has a huge following and the graphics are ancient. It's all about the balance between the 3 races creating strategic possibilities.


RE: sc1??
By Spivonious on 5/22/2007 9:12:15 AM , Rating: 2
Starcraft's "strategy" consisted of building a whole bunch of units and rushing the enemy. B-O-R-I-N-G.

Total Annihilation FTW!


RE: sc1??
By JoeBanana on 5/23/2007 9:21:51 AM , Rating: 2
One world: lol :D


RE: sc1??
By JoeBanana on 5/23/2007 9:22:05 AM , Rating: 2
One word: lol :D


RE: sc1??
By Ringold on 5/20/2007 4:13:55 AM , Rating: 2
If there's anything I've learned with PC gaming over the last decade and a half, it's this:

The sequel to an unprecedented, industry-changing title will never feel half as good or generate half the memories to someone who was there when the original came out.

StarCraft wasn't the first of it's kind, but it was the first damn-good one of it's kind with mass appeal. Since then, it'd been done over a hundred times. I've played many games, like some of the Wing Commander games and Freelancer and commented to someone who never played the earlier titles about how one sequel or another seemed lame and they wouldn't understand; they thought it was great. The only difference? I had the memory of loving the original when it was new and novel, and they approach it fresh.

So, it'll be great, we'll have fun, all of us old fans will buy it and play it just as long as we have SC (or until SC3 arrives), but I very much doubt it'll give the same warm fuzzies over the long haul as SC still does today.


RE: sc1??
By christojojo on 5/20/2007 10:27:33 AM , Rating: 2
Agreed. My favorite car was a P.O.S. 75 Ford Mustang II. It was my first car. I beat the bejesus out of it. But I get all nostalgic on it. I haven't been as fond of another car since. (Of course, if anyone want to donate a Early Dodge Viper....)
My son and father look at the Mustang II's and tell me they are ugly, useless POS's (piece of S---).

It's always the first great experience that everything else is measured up to... C'est la Vie


RE: sc1??
By MrDiSante on 5/19/2007 11:03:23 AM , Rating: 3
They look good enough. And in the longrun who the hell gives a shit? It's the wonderful balance and gameplay of Starcraft that makes it what it is. I still prefer to play SC to WCIII.


2-D vs 3-D
By borowki on 5/19/2007 6:41:25 AM , Rating: 1
I wish Blizzard would stick with a 2-D engine. The sequel looks like it'll require some serious graphical power. No hope of playing it on a non-gaming laptop. While Terrans look great in the new engine, Zergs seem to have lost much of their organic feel. The Zerglings in the pic look like bugs. And I wonder if the frame-rate would hold up when you do a 100+ Zergling rush.




RE: 2-D vs 3-D
By hadifa on 5/19/2007 6:54:26 AM , Rating: 2
If Blizzard's past is any indication then I won't worry about the frame rate. Their games has not been very demanding and I don't think this will be an exception.


RE: 2-D vs 3-D
By CharlieUS on 5/19/2007 6:55:49 AM , Rating: 2
As far as I know, 2D characters in Starcraft I are 2D pictures taken from 3D models designed in 3DStudio. That's why they look very 3D. I believe that Blizzard will make the new characters look great again in Star Craft II because it's still at the early development stage at this moment. Some of the new scenes actually look very nice especially when there are lots of units fighting and confronting each other. However, I do feel that the new battle cruisers are not impressive and look somewhat awkward. Can't wait to play this game!!!


RE: 2-D vs 3-D
By Arrundale on 5/19/2007 10:59:06 AM , Rating: 2
I agree that the Battle Cruisers should be more substantial, given their firepower and sustainability for Terran campaigns.

The best feature of Terran campaigns are groups of a dozen Battle Cruisers, each, cutting it up. Given their cost, the Terran Battle Cruiser should retain its relative mass within the gamespace - not the way it is pictured here.

Also, I hope we can learn the maximum numbers of units that can be fielded at one time.


RE: 2-D vs 3-D
By Ringold on 5/20/2007 4:30:30 AM , Rating: 2
I don't think it's *too* early in development; over at IGN they've got them saying it's been in development since the last WC3 release in 2003. That's 4 years. Frankly, to me, it looks like all that's left is minor touch-ups and balance issues before releasing to public. A year, maybe? Less?


RE: 2-D vs 3-D
By JoeBanana on 5/19/2007 7:09:56 AM , Rating: 3
I am either not keen on 3D cuz it has its control limitations. I can't imagine that it would be useful during a combat to zoom in and rotate view point.
Also, I hope there won't be any huge buildings that stick out or units. I think SC1 ratio was just fine.
But if they somehow manage to implement 3D so it wouldn't bother gameplay control I am all for it


RE: 2-D vs 3-D
By semo on 5/19/2007 7:29:10 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
But if they somehow manage to implement 3D so it wouldn't bother gameplay control I am all for it
me too. i felt warcraft 3 didn't need 3d. people that could play all of blizzard's games had to all of the sudden make some serious upgrades for the latest warcraft game


RE: 2-D vs 3-D
By Lord Evermore on 5/19/2007 7:30:28 AM , Rating: 2
I hate 3D interfaces. They've never added anything and always make it look stupid (though very high quality stupid) while making it harder to see what I need to see. I've never managed to spend any real amount of time on any 3D RTS because the interface just made it so un-fun.


RE: 2-D vs 3-D
By Hare on 5/19/2007 1:40:10 PM , Rating: 2
I (mostly) agree. As long as you can play the game just like the traditional 2D sprite version it's ok. Making a game 3D doesn't mean that it's a poor experience for the player. Unfortunately it's easier to fail miserably than make a great 3D user experience when it comes to 3D RTS.


RE: 2-D vs 3-D
By borowki on 5/19/2007 8:24:23 AM , Rating: 2
Zoom could be sort of useful but that can be done in 2-D.


RE: 2-D vs 3-D
By zeroslugfm on 5/20/2007 12:13:33 AM , Rating: 2
the use of a quick camera position reset button (bksp) has worked quite well for RTS games rendered in 3D. Other than that, it would be interesting to have a "classic" camera scheme where it would just simply lock the camera in place in the "isometric" style view.

Though I think at this rate, we're all just happy to see SC2 finally surface after all these years :)


Very Much an Evolution
By AMDJunkie on 5/19/2007 7:43:25 AM , Rating: 3
The first thing I noticed is that the units and buildings are exactly the same, refreshed for this modern, 3D world. Warcraft III introduced a heck of a lot more change over its predecessor, in units and design. But I imagine the possibility of alienating die-hard Starcraft fans was too much for Blizzard to really shake up the franchise and take a novel approach at Starcraft. It seems to be an expansion pack on steroids, but even if I'm right, I'm sure the excitement will still be through the roof.




RE: Very Much an Evolution
By ss284 on 5/19/2007 9:55:49 AM , Rating: 2
Wc3 required amazing micro to play on a decent level. Starcraft didn't; you could get by playing at a decent level without having to click too much. What SC did require was insane mouse breaking macro and micro to play on a competitive level.

SC still is the best RTS.


RE: Very Much an Evolution
By Tamale on 5/19/2007 1:31:55 PM , Rating: 2
i wish people realized half-life deathmatch is still the best competitive FPS like people realize SC is the best RTS

problem is often times "the best" games are simply too hard for newbs to get into so they just don't take the time to learn them.. :\


RE: Very Much an Evolution
By osalcido on 5/19/2007 4:37:46 PM , Rating: 2
since when do games require noobs to become the best?


RE: Very Much an Evolution
By feelingshorter on 5/19/2007 1:49:34 PM , Rating: 5
It even said in one of the videos that I saw that "yes you can still mass in SC2" or something like that. Blizzard realizes that WC3 is too complicated for the casual gamers. Most people on these forums cannot fathom the fact that not everyone spends HOURS upon HOURS playing games. Kind of like the nintendo wii, i just want to play maybe 1-2 hours with friends on a weekend when I have spare time. Done and done. WC3 on the other hand requires a brain aching amount of time invested to really be able to play. The game is too complicated.

Once every month or so my friends and I still play SC just because its so simple and straight forward. Although simple, it gives people with more skills the ability to expand by micro managing while the unskilled noobs can just mass and attack. You cannot mass and attack on WC3, without Micro managing, you get owned so quick in WC3. So its a futile feeling that people get playing WC3 against skilled players. No chance, and you've just wasted your time doing basically nothing; feeling at the end of a WC3 game that you've contributed little to the team effort (usually I play 4vs4 on SC, all with real life friends).

OMFG NOOOB. WHAT A NOOOB. Its crap like that people like me don't care for. Ok your better at me in a game, its not the highlight of my real life. Like the nintendo Wii, I want a game that gives people with little time some sort of chance to compete, without the game ending so quickly before I can build any units, as with WC3. Blizzard has WOW/WC3 for hardcore gamers, Starcraft will make a great addition for casual gamers IMO.


RE: Very Much an Evolution
By Axbattler on 5/20/2007 1:52:35 PM , Rating: 2
I like the contrast between SC and WC3. I am not willing to say that one (i.e. Micro) takes 'more skill' given that a newbie playing SC trying to mass will still get outswarmed by the more experienced player. It is possible that micro has a steeper learning curve, but I don't think that SC gives a better chance for a new players. I wouldn't even say that about Total Annihilation, and I think that game is even less Micro intensive than SC.

Anyway, I'd like to see Blizzard provide both form of RTS. After WC3, it is time for a more macro intensive approach :)


ehhh...
By BucDan on 5/20/2007 12:01:25 PM , Rating: 2
it can look at lot better if u ask me...the game is like the same graphics as the first one but with higher textures,and in cc3, the graphics are killer with hdr and the smke physics...so ive been a cc fan and a starcraft fan but right now i think cc3 ftw




RE: ehhh...
By Alpha4 on 5/20/2007 1:42:47 PM , Rating: 2
I agree. And the shader effects in SC2 just seem mediocre. I understand blizzard wants to ensure they have a broader user-base (Ie. Asian population with slower computers?), but CC3's 3D engine seems to scale incredibly well anyway so it still comes out on top. Hell, I've seen it run smoothly on a 2.4ghz P4 with a Radeon 9800pro & 1GB Kingston lite DDR400. That kind of system can be had for $350-$400 nowadays.

It seems to me that blizzard not only has big shoes to fill but also fierce competition this time around. I'm certain that EA will be releasing an Expansion pack for CC3 in the near future, and Supreme Commander might still be going strong. Plus there's the oft-forgotten Age of Empires series.

Were there any similarly competing franchises at the time of starcraft 1's release? If I recall correctly the original Command & Conquer would have already been out for close to 2 years by that time.


RE: ehhh...
By Axbattler on 5/20/2007 2:16:54 PM , Rating: 2
Total Annihilation, Dark Reign, Age of Empire, C&C: Red Alert (and expansions), KKnD and many clones I can't name on top of my head all came out not long before SC. Homeworld came out a bit over a year later. To be honest, I paid little heed to SC until around two+ years after it's release. I remember playing the demo before going back to Total Annihilation. While the races were not as differentiated (no game until SC), I like the mods, use of terrain, user interface amongst other thing.


RE: ehhh...
By noxipoo on 5/21/2007 2:38:21 PM , Rating: 2
i too, went back to TA after all the other RTS. I didn't really play much of another for years after that. Supcom was a disappointment for me, slows my computer down to a crawl and i got a core2duo, wish they made it run a little better and scale it up later.


RE: ehhh...
By webdawg77 on 5/21/2007 3:26:14 PM , Rating: 2
What are your system specs?

I am running it on the following (cpu / video / ram at defaults)

X2 4200+
x1950 pro - 1280x1024
2 GB ram
xp sp2

I admit it doesn't fly by, but I have yet to see it drag to a crawl.


RE: ehhh...
By noxipoo on 5/22/2007 6:25:16 PM , Rating: 2
core2duo, E6300, 2 gigs ram, 7900GS, 4 player games with lots of units = crawl.


RE: ehhh...
By Spivonious on 5/22/2007 9:21:03 AM , Rating: 2
SupCom gobbles RAM. 2gig minimum. Video card specs don't seem to make a huge difference.


RE: ehhh...
By OblivionMage on 5/26/2007 5:36:33 PM , Rating: 2
E6600
2gb 667mhz
x1600xt
Should be able to run SC2 at reasonably good settings


Break Away
By UppityMatt on 5/19/2007 6:13:36 AM , Rating: 2
Im just glad Blizzard is breaking away from its Cash Cow WoW, and developing more great games for us to play. WoW is great but there is so much more to Blizzard.




RE: Break Away
By hadifa on 5/19/2007 7:03:53 AM , Rating: 3
"Hell, It's about time"


RE: Break Away
By semo on 5/19/2007 7:16:22 AM , Rating: 2
what do you mean "breaking away"?

blizzard has always concentrated at one game at a time (+ expansion). i don't want to play wow but i acknowledge it is a good game.

i was hoping for a diablo 3 announcement to be honest but with hellgate:london coming out this year(?), i think sc II is better.


RE: Break Away
By GoatMonkey on 5/19/2007 9:55:14 AM , Rating: 2
Blizzard is still doing development on WoW. They're a bigger company now than when they made SC1. I would bet that another WoW expansion pack will come out probably within 9 months after the release of SC2. They're already talking about new content that's being added as part of an upcoming patch.


RE: Break Away
By NagoyaX on 5/19/2007 10:33:56 AM , Rating: 2
the plan blizzard has is to release a new expantion for WoW once a year, so you can probably get to see lots of WoW explations.


RE: Break Away
By GlassHouse69 on 5/22/2007 7:27:38 PM , Rating: 1
Diablo III will be made, but it must take a different turn or else just be 2009 graphics with full dx10 only compatibility, something that would make a 8800 ultra burn up and lag.

otherwise, hellgate is going to take it. now, if they are FREE, and charge 55.00 dollars for the game, make 3 expansions for 30 dollars a piece in 2-3 years, then, they will wipe out hellgate. Hellgate is having premium playing only if you pay. I know thats how they work nowadays, but I am not looking forward to paying for my game on a monthly basis.

Also, the futuristic edge to hellgate might make it mediocre compared to the dark, ancient sorcery of DiabloIII.

I honestly think that hellgate was allowed to exist because it was futuristic and not a WOW-like mmorpg. I think it deviates enough that blizzard struck a deal with them. If they hadnt, anyone court looking at the game clearly sees a copyrwrite infraction. I mean, the game is diabloii in the future.


The economic impact
By eppenoire on 5/19/2007 3:17:16 PM , Rating: 3
When I woke up this morning, I thought I felt a disturbance in the force, like a billion Asians crying out at once.

In all seriousness, this game has dire consequences for South Korea's economy. My first instinct upon reading this was to stock up on cheap non-perishable goods (because shorty none will be produced) and to click repeatedly on the Protoss, sound icon, wondering how many times I would have to push it before it gave me a new clip.




RE: The economic impact
By Ringold on 5/20/2007 4:25:23 AM , Rating: 4
The sad thing is, you speak a degree of truth -- and lets not fail to consider Japan. Both countries that have to, apparently, put up government signs in arcades imploring the youth to leave, go to work, and occasionally eat and engage in sex to perpetuate the population. Most importantly, WORK.

I'll probably be working as a financial advisor in Indiana at the time it's released, and I'll be sure to clear my schedule the day of release.. And the day after, if I can get away with it. I think I could put a sign on my desk and solve 99% of peoples problems anyway:

"STOP SPENDING MORE THAN YOU EARN. Playing StarCraft, be back tomorrow, do not call me. Clan is recruiting if interested."


RE: The economic impact
By eppenoire on 5/21/2007 8:13:39 PM , Rating: 2
I was only partly saying that tongue-in-cheek. It is going to interesting to see the impact of this game. When I was at Berkeley, Warcraft came out. There were so many people on AP, that I though the University was going to declare a state of emergency.

You have chosen a great field there. Extremely lucrative and one I have never understood. Seriously, why would someone pay you a tonne of money to find out something that is just basic common sense? I also don't get investment advisers, I have yet to find a fund that can beat me and I only spend about 2 hours a week managing mine. Hell a no load index fund will beat out most mutual funds. Anyways, I rant.


Gameplay video released!!!
By hellokeith on 5/21/2007 2:32:36 PM , Rating: 2
450MB, 1280x768 gameplay video get it now!




RE: Gameplay video released!!!
By webdawg77 on 5/21/2007 3:23:54 PM , Rating: 6
Already did!

Located on the official site ... http://www.starcraft2.com/


Release date far away?
By JoeBanana on 5/19/2007 6:36:07 AM , Rating: 2
I looked up all trailers, FAQ and stuff about SC2 and I got the feeling SC2 is in early development and will not be released soon.
-in gameplay movies there is blizzard comment: "Please note: We have a lot of balance work in front of us. Nothing you see today is final."
-in FAQ there are lots of questions that ended up something like this: At this point, it's too early to provide...
-no statistics on units
-only few protoss units description(though there is coming soon for others...)




RE: Release date far away?
By leidegre on 5/19/2007 6:40:40 AM , Rating: 2
Yeah, it's really a vauge statment, but who cares, we waited almost 10 years for an announcment! And for all we know the development could have been in progress for sevral years. I'm just happy that it's finnaly comming to a close. But the annoucnment site, feels more like a teaser than an actual website.


RE: Release date far away?
By spartan014 on 5/19/2007 6:53:43 AM , Rating: 3
Blizzard always takes there time to make each title a gem..

I wouldn't mind waiting for SC2. I'm sure its going to be along the lines of D2, D2:LOD, W3:ROC and W3:TFT... Wow..


By Hafgrim on 5/19/2007 6:39:02 AM , Rating: 3
Woohoo! First to notice the ingame advertising place holders in that bottom screenshot. lol guess it will be funny when we see other game or mmo advertisements appear there, like, "Try LOTRO now!" -_^




By semo on 5/19/2007 7:22:51 AM , Rating: 2
yeah, but did you also see the siege tank explosions?
boom!!

better not get too excited since we're in for some delays. i mean i can't even imagine what the alternative could be.


By Griswold on 5/19/2007 12:45:58 PM , Rating: 2
Mmmhmm... Nuke Cola - Its Blastacular!


Hardware
By GoatMonkey on 5/19/2007 7:39:37 AM , Rating: 3
There is a line at the bottom of the FAQ page that mentions the use of the Havok physics engine. There's my excuse to upgrade.




RE: Hardware
By christojojo on 5/19/2007 11:35:38 AM , Rating: 2
Three wishes:

1. Release when it is done but release it.

2. Release it just before I buy my next power PC. WC3 released when I spent my money on an office pc and office equipment (Bummer).

3. Make a deal with DICE and build a Battlefield Starcraft (since Starcraft Ghost is dead) Getting my hopes up and then dashing them is almost as disappointing as watching SW:ep 1

I really, would love to fight in FPS against Zerg, use a Protos sword, fire a siege tank.


Meh. . .
By dandres87 on 5/19/2007 1:13:19 PM , Rating: 2
If you look at the screens it looks very similar to Command and Conquer 3. The dynamics don't look too impressive. It looks like a Starcraft on WCIII mod on steroids. Sure if you really liked SC and WCIII I guess you'll love it (you better) I have serious doubts, though of it being a better RTS than CoH or Supreme Commander. The hype-machine and repuatation will makes its sales, but so far nothing seems innovative about it, unlike its predecessor. SC 2.0, unfortunately I'm afraid that wont cut it with all the other new RTS. Can anyone say AOE3? Hype will sell it. Flame me . . . . I know its coming.




RE: Meh. . .
By hrah20 on 5/20/2007 3:56:18 PM , Rating: 2
Shure this game looks alot like other RTS games,(wich is good in this case) but its always the story of blizzard games what makes you come back for more,Besides I already have cnc3 and supcom, and I play them alot but I like variety,and this is and always have been a good game, even if its not innovative enough for you !!!


By bubbacub616 on 5/19/2007 7:16:06 PM , Rating: 2
keith i'm a rabid sc fan but you need to relax dude


By dandres87 on 5/21/2007 3:21:05 AM , Rating: 2
mite i also add, most younger gamers dont post on hardware sites, they post on gamespot or ign. And it only looks okay, u can only say it looks amazing if you compare to Sc1 because the RTS of the week pales SC2 (gfx wise)


Familiarity isnt a bad thing
By Zensen on 5/19/2007 3:27:23 PM , Rating: 2
Looks like they are testing a 3d engine and ie a lot of the models look the same (buildings) and I don't mind that.
Also I did enjoy the words they mumbled for each character. Individuality - good thing! So i hope they keep that!

Wonder if we will see some in-game advertising...




RE: Familiarity isnt a bad thing
By JoeBanana on 5/20/2007 7:31:15 AM , Rating: 2
Mean I totally loved that statements from each of SC units.
Like: This is not warcraft in space. or I know it's not 3D.


DX10 and Vista
By Rampage on 5/20/2007 8:13:30 PM , Rating: 2
This game is a landmark for Windows Vista.
Requiring a DX10 card and 2GB of RAM makes this game a huge boon to Microsoft.

I already have a DX10 card (8800GTX), 2GB and Vista so bring on SC2. Sounds like it wont take even a year to be released, I read on an asian forum that it was ready last year (development started in 2003) and that they are balancing and tweaking the game now in every aspect to perfection.




RE: DX10 and Vista
By Alpha4 on 5/20/2007 9:48:31 PM , Rating: 2
According to Blizzard's official FAQ the game will not require direct X 10, nor has it even been decided whether the game will benefit from DX10 in any way. Furthermore blizzard moves on to state that graphics scaling is a priority of theirs in order to ensure a broader user-base, so a requirement of even 1GB of ram is an unrealistic forecast, much less 2GB.


Meh
By shaw on 5/21/2007 2:27:47 PM , Rating: 2
Personally for me Relic set the RTS bar incredibly high with WarHammer 40K:Dawn of War and even higher with Company of Heroes.

From the videos it looks like it's going to be the same old game just with prettier graphics kind of like Command & Conquer 3 (which did have a more stream lined interface). Though that's what people seem to usually want whenever a sequal comes out.

I'll say it again as everybody has been saying this for years, Blizzard should just make CGI movies of their games and rake in the cash.




RE: Meh
By CascadingDarkness on 5/25/2007 5:54:41 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, Final Fantasy style.... oh wait..


Super Nova Mens Club
By InsaneGain on 5/22/2007 6:29:34 PM , Rating: 2
I want to check out that Super Nova Mens Club you can see in the bottom image.




RE: Super Nova Mens Club
By InsaneGain on 5/22/2007 6:31:14 PM , Rating: 2
I thought this wasn't posting and I hit post 3 times. woops.


Pay to Play?
By Alpha4 on 5/20/2007 2:16:41 PM , Rating: 2
A couple of people have already commented upon Blizzard's decision to focus on a non-MMO venture, thus abandoning another potential 'Cash cow'... But what if Blizzard still intends to charge for online play?

By & large the costs of providing online play for starcraft amounts to maintaining a simple tracking server as opposed to providing bandwidth for 22 high-speed servers sending & receiving input between ~5 million users simultaneously. Currently starcraft relegates the task of hosting to the users once they are in a match.

However, that hasn't stopped some providers from charging a premium for such a relatively simple service. (Xbox Live anyone?) Would anyone here not be averse to paying a bi-monthly fee like WoW? Personally I WOULD volunteer maybe an annual payment of around $10 if it meant faster patch turnouts to counter the inevitable hacks and exploits.




RE: Pay to Play?
By GlassHouse69 on 5/22/2007 3:03:02 PM , Rating: 1
so far, blizzard has indicated it will be free to play online.

it only is permanent advertising. they make millions a week on wow, pure profit. Supposedly, this is fueling things like sc2 being free online.


Break Away
By UppityMatt on 5/19/2007 6:12:42 AM , Rating: 2
Im just glad Blizzard is breaking away from its Cash Cow WoW, and developing more great games for us to play. WoW is great but there is so much more to Blizzard.




OMG!!!
By hrah20 on 5/19/2007 12:32:13 PM , Rating: 2
It's been too long, and finally, the wait is almost over,I can't belive how good this news are, can't wait to get my copy
I still play the first game.




Thank You Blizzard!!!!!
By hellokeith on 5/19/2007 1:18:22 PM , Rating: 2
The "StarCraft > all" formula is about to be revised to "StarCraft II > StarCraft > all". :D

I played more StarCraft than all the Battlefield games combined. I'm so pleased and excited this is NOT AN MMO and is exclusively for PC/MAC and NOT CONSOLES.

Goodbye life, family, friends.. hello StarCraft II. :)




It was matter of when not if
By Zensen on 5/19/2007 3:11:33 PM , Rating: 2
Now the national sport of Korea is getting an update. :P

I have to admit, I thought starcraft was a lot better than warcraft but I was always fond of total annihilation, Dark reign and C&C more.. Never did understand all that magic stuff.

The limitation of selecting up to 9 units wasn't something that fared well with me.

Either way, this news will most definitely make a lot of people happy.




FINALLY!!
By shraz on 5/19/2007 3:41:47 PM , Rating: 2
W00T!! My favorite online RTS is finally back! Man I had good times with SC and SC:BW for years. It looks very similar to the original but in 3D with amazing gfx!! I now know I will need a new gfx card ;)




Starcraft 1 with a facelift
By osalcido on 5/19/2007 3:46:29 PM , Rating: 2
this sounds good and all but it looks like original starcraft with a facelift. what are the new features?




By osalcido on 5/19/2007 4:40:27 PM , Rating: 2
By behemothzero on 5/20/2007 11:54:55 AM , Rating: 2
Not because of April Fools, but because that's exactly 10 years after the original was released (if GameFAQs and Wikipedia serve me right). That would be utterly badass.

Remember, you saw it here first!




Teh PWNAGE
By slickr on 5/20/2007 9:32:10 PM , Rating: 2
Finally!




Exciting but...
By Visual on 5/21/2007 5:30:36 AM , Rating: 2
..but I already hate it.
Seen the screen-shots? Marines carry a friggin' shield now, dammit. I bet they'll have a "Defend" button and start to walk slower when its active and be more resistant to ranged attacks...
They changed dragoons into some "highlanders" or something, I'm almost certain we'll get a "Fenix MacLeod" in the story now. And they say their shields are resistant to siege tanks... every n00b knows tanks should pwn goons, how do they dare change that!

Ok well... I admit, it might turn out a great game. I just like the original too much to see it changing...




Dungeon Keeper3?????
By FaultyD on 5/21/2007 7:34:32 AM , Rating: 2
It's gr8 that Blizzard is finally bringing out Star Craft 2, but please please guys you really got think about Dungeon Keeper 3, I've been waiting so long and I'm sure the rest of you have too.




Technical
By thartist on 5/21/2007 5:26:55 PM , Rating: 2
Hey hey, i'm not here to bash or speak nonsense, so lower your guns or keyboards.
Aside from what the game is and means itself, i want to comment on the "technical/artistic side of GRAPHICS ONLY" with all respect, alright? Understand? GRAPHICS ONLY, WITHOUT CONSIDERING THE GAME (wich many may consider a mistake already).

Despite the devs trying to resemble SC1 with the graphics, this new grphs look a too dark, too black, and it looks like an old game already. It's almost EXHAUSTING for my eyes to look at the screenshots BECAUSE OF THE COLOR PALETTE. Devs are wasting todays possiblilties and have created a very POORLY looking game, EVEN IF LOOKS IS ALMOST ABSOLUTELY IRRELEVANT FOR THIS GAME.

thanks for understanding, are we cool?




Finallly !!!
By Shin on 5/21/2007 11:21:21 PM , Rating: 2
Finally, hope it as great as its original.
Great story line.




By crash resistant on 5/22/2007 9:35:59 AM , Rating: 2
Half Life 2 was equal to (if not better than) Half Life.

Just felt like shutting down all the "It will never be as good as the original whaa whaa whaaa!!"... talk. =)

SC2 will be a great game. You can't say it won't be until you play it. As of today, it has every sign of greatness.




Super Nova Mens Club
By InsaneGain on 5/22/2007 5:59:59 PM , Rating: 2
I want to check out that Super Nova Mens Club you can see in the bottom image.




Super Nova Mens Club
By InsaneGain on 5/22/2007 6:11:51 PM , Rating: 2
I want to check out that Super Nova Mens Club you can see in the bottom image.




Great new for SC fans.
By Cincybeck on 5/21/2007 11:28:26 PM , Rating: 1
This is awesome news. I've been following and waiting on Snowflake entertainment to finish up on their 3D SC conversion using the WC3 engine for sometime. I thought the news would kill the wind behind their sails but it seems like they're still going forward with it. http://www.wc3campaigns.net/revolution/




Something sux about this
By GlassHouse69 on 5/22/2007 3:01:07 PM , Rating: 1
Did anyone notice how the views are WAY to close?

I remember that is why I dont like warcraftIII or warcraftII

you see a small are of the screen, not large enough to keep track of a battle. let me see the original 1024x768 size of screen. I want more units and terrain in my view and less buzz and whistles. Yes, WC3 has a zoom function, but its really inadequate. I hope they fix this.

x-fi will have a reason to do 128+ whatever sounds at once when you have like mass marines and other junk firing rounds. (only thing xfi can do vs audigy2zs is more sounds, give it some function now!)




FINALYLL!L~!L!@
By OblivionMage on 5/19/07, Rating: 0
CNC 3 = SC2
By thepinkpanther on 5/19/07, Rating: -1
RE: CNC 3 = SC2
By JoeBanana on 5/19/2007 7:24:15 AM , Rating: 2
It is obviously u didn't play Starcraft or u would see the similarity.

The whole idea of SC1 was diversity between different races. (what was criticized in wc2) Every race has unique playing style(it's comlex and hard to write it in few words, you have to feel it) all units are different(and beginig units are important even in late game(except rarely seen ghost, which was only for nukes, lockdowns))
The units all almost the same, minerals, vaspine gas, buildings with some new things and now in 3D.
I didn't play cnc 3 but if u say SC2 is a clone of cnc 2 then cnc 2 must be the clone of SC1 cuz SC2 is core clone of SC1. But I have writen the last sentence just too prove you wrong. I don't think cnc 2 is clone of sc, but I am sure u haven't played sc. hf gl


RE: CNC 3 = SC2
By ADDAvenger on 5/19/2007 11:43:42 AM , Rating: 2
How does SC's gameplay compare to CnC, particularly Red Alert 2? I've heard of StarCraft, but the only RTSs I've tried are the Red Alert series


RE: CNC 3 = SC2
By JoeBanana on 5/19/2007 12:20:08 PM , Rating: 2
I haven't play Red Alert online but did finish all single player missions, but I played lot of SC(online).

The problem of Red Alert is that although races are balanced they are in the end all it matters is apocalypse(etc) and powerful units(my impression) while the appeal of lower units fade. This is not good for tactic, diversity and thinking what you will do. Also SC has so much more unique races than RA. For example you should just see SC building concept its a piece of art. Although you have some common build paths I haven't meet any RTS game that was so well balanced and diverse. You can actually feel the big difference between organic zerg swarms with common mind, proud protoss warriors dying for their homeworld and terrans firepower.

You can also differ how they operate:
zergs: lots, mobile, always expanding till they are many
protoss: strong but few, lots of mid tech options, expanding vs terr
terrans: very immobile vs toss, lots of firepower, not so expansionist
But this is not alway the case. Depends of the tactic taken.

I actually enjoyed watching SC replays cuz of all smart things those pro players do(very interesting).
But I put down SC half year ago cuz I realised I spent too much time on it :D

Sure this comparison is not totally objective, but it's mine. :D


RE: CNC 3 = SC2
By bubbacub616 on 5/19/2007 7:19:52 PM , Rating: 2
starcraft is magic - its the only rts made which has the different sides balanced perfectly whilst being completely different. Not only that but it has really cool characters with a fascinating back story. Awesome game which really hasn't been bettered all these years.

Seriously buy it on budget now - it will take you 30 min to get over the low resolution but you will be hooked!


RE: CNC 3 = SC2
By GlassHouse69 on 5/22/2007 7:16:46 PM , Rating: 1
100% agree.

the sound and music is good, if slightly dated. very good game, interesting story and the best cut screens by bink and smacker.


RE: CNC 3 = SC2
By Proteusza on 5/20/2007 11:55:55 AM , Rating: 2
Get hold of the game and try it, it deserves its title of one of the best RTS games ever made. There are fewer units per side than CnC, but each unit has a specific units, and there are no useless units. Even the starting units can be useful if they are upgraded enough, and in enough numbers.

Its way more tactical than Red Alert, but still fun. Only way to find out is to try it.


RE: CNC 3 = SC2
By ADDAvenger on 5/20/2007 1:48:13 PM , Rating: 2
I DL'd the demo last night and it's actually pretty nice. The graphics are far better than RA1, which (I think) was released at about the same time; the visual quality is about like CnC Tiberian Sun (released around '00). As for the game itself, it took me a little while to figure out the tech ladder, but it is interesting and I may have to try SCII whenever it finally comes out.


RE: CNC 3 = SC2
By ADDAvenger on 5/20/2007 2:30:59 PM , Rating: 2
But I have to say, I really hate the right/left click thing. To make units attack/move I a+left click, to make them just move I right click, it's too confusing when things are happening quickly


RE: CNC 3 = SC2
By Proteusza on 5/20/2007 4:12:47 PM , Rating: 2
You get used to it.

If you like the demo, get the fullgame, should be very very cheap.

The campaign is a good way to experience the units and their abilities, as well as being simply a well written and interesting story.


RE: CNC 3 = SC2
By JoeBanana on 5/19/2007 11:45:57 AM , Rating: 2
Sorry meant cnc 3 not 2 somehow mixed it along the way.


RE: CNC 3 = SC2
By Treckin on 5/19/2007 8:44:14 PM , Rating: 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6BXNRpieAI

Are you kidding me? Look at the gameplay!!!! WTF are you talking about with that CNC3 BS? Have you seen CNC3? it looks nothing like that... I wish I could post pictures, so I could illustrate.
About 6 months ago, Blizz announced that they contracted to use the Havoc engine (physics engin for HL2). Everyone assumed it was for a SC MMO, like 'World Of Starcraft'. ON the site it says that its used in SCII. That alone would set it apart from CNC3 or WC3.

The one concern that I have is regarding an earlier comment made about the viewing options. I feel that the sigle thing that made starcraft one of the greatest games to date was the fierce competition. This IMO was fostered by the same gneral means as chess; Limited and nearly identical options on all sides.
A varible camra view would unbalance the gameplay i think. It should be stationary, or at least perhaps a selecable option for the host server (open view, locked, no zoom, etc)


RE: CNC 3 = SC2
By The Sword 88 on 5/20/2007 12:41:35 AM , Rating: 2
No this is a Warhammer 40K clone.

Warhammer 40K the table top game came out far before Starcraft(Warhammer 40K: Rogue Trader was released in 1987) and the terran marines are simply space marines from Warhammer. The Zerg are Tyranids, no question about it. And now the Protoss new unit. "veteran protoss warriors who had been crippled in battle could volunteer to continue their service by being transplanted into dragoon exoskeletons" Yeah this a called a dreadnought, read about it in the 1st edition and all following editions of the Space Marines Codex.

The orginal Starcraft had good gameplay, I'll give Blizzard that, but they totally ripped their idea off of Warhammer 40K.

If you disagree please refute me instead of just marking down my post.


RE: CNC 3 = SC2
By bubbacub616 on 5/20/2007 9:30:26 AM , Rating: 2
yeah they copied it - but in fairness its not as if the games workshop were somehow stopped from making the most awesome rts ever


RE: CNC 3 = SC2
By The Sword 88 on 5/20/2007 3:11:11 PM , Rating: 1
Are you saying Starcraft is the most awesome RTS ever?


RE: CNC 3 = SC2
By rdeegvainl on 5/21/2007 9:15:34 AM , Rating: 2
yes


RE: CNC 3 = SC2
By kalak on 5/21/2007 10:01:40 AM , Rating: 2
SURE it is !!!!!!


RE: CNC 3 = SC2
By The Sword 88 on 5/21/2007 9:03:36 PM , Rating: 3
Are you serious?

Total Annihilation(best RTS for its time period) and Red Alert were much better RTS games for that time period. And I would say that Dawn of War, Supreme Commander, Tiberean Sun, Red alter 2, Tiberium Dawn, and Tiberium Wars were better games from many standpoints. Dawn of War has 7 balanced races, a huge backstory, a great storyline, amazing graphics and a reinforce system I havent seen elsewhere. Supreme Commander also has better graphics and a huge scale that is unmatched, Tiberean Sun along with CnC3 and Red Alert and Tiberium Dawn and Red Alert 2 have been the most amazing RTS series ever with thier gameplay, balance and storyline which all surpass Starcraft. Starcraft was a good game but far from the best ever. It did really do much that was new or innovative. It had 3 factiosn which was a plus. I didnt like the storyline very much, the graphics were unimpressive and it was not really anything special. Anyone care to explain why it is the best RTS ever?


RE: CNC 3 = SC2
By Cincybeck on 5/21/2007 11:44:23 PM , Rating: 1
Like anything it's personal preference, but Starcraft captured the hearts of many and even a whole nation. SC is to South Korea what football was to the US in the 50's. That's saying something. I would say it's because of Starcraft and Counter-strike that multiplayer games are what they are today and the reason why we have pro-gamers. Honestly SC was the only RTS game I could sit and play for hours upon hours. I tried many including Red Alert 1 and 2 and just couldn't get into it like i could with SC. I was hooked and there was no replacement, it was SC or nothing.


RE: CNC 3 = SC2
By xzc145 on 5/22/2007 5:44:26 AM , Rating: 2
2 words: Unit Balance

At the end of the game even a lowly zealot is useful in SC, the same cannot be said of a peewee in TA or any of the other low tech units in the games you mention. Lets face it, how many times did RA turn into who had the most Mammoth tanks or whatever.
SupCom is pretty but is more of an exercise in micromanagement than actual strategy.....nice, for an arcade game.....

Also from my point of view, Blizzard single player campaigns are the only ones that actually challenge the player, I mean Dawn of War was about as hard as watching paint dry (and less interesting imo).

SC had a dark brooding storyline with well placed visuals and missions that actually complemented it, not hammy, badly acted interjections between poorly scripted missions that left the player wondering if their life was worth living...

And you've missed off another truely great RTS from your list; Homeworld 2 is possibly the only game that came close to SC in many respects.....I mean Dawn of War?!...How about Dark Colony or Dune 2!!


RE: CNC 3 = SC2
By dflynchimp on 5/22/2007 8:53:07 AM , Rating: 2
I second everything you say.

I just had the biggest nerdgasm of my life...been waiting so long for this to happen...


RE: CNC 3 = SC2
By GlassHouse69 on 5/22/2007 7:22:41 PM , Rating: 1
yes, every unit if used with some ingenuity could rock. I have been defeated by science vessels and marines before. I have wiped out a 2 all-carrier attack vs me zerg alone before. that cannot happen in another game. top pricey units dominate normally, but dont have any lynchpins. Some effort and a surprise unit can totally break someones 1/2 hour turtle/carrior build up.

the game is sick.

that trailer made me cream my twinkie.


RE: CNC 3 = SC2
By StevoLincolnite on 5/22/2007 9:43:12 PM , Rating: 2
Carriers aren't that scary, A heap of storm+Dragoons will make quick work of them, Or even the zerg Swarm+Plague, and of course Terran Lockdown+EMP.
Those that tech and go pure "carrier" are noobs, and as such, don't micro, which in turn allows you to cause sever damage to they're fleet with minimal losses.
Unfortunately there are to many "Carrier noobs" on battle.net.


RE: CNC 3 = SC2
By GlassHouse69 on 5/22/07, Rating: 0
RE: CNC 3 = SC2
By StevoLincolnite on 5/22/2007 9:45:47 PM , Rating: 2
Not to mention, it raised the bar for all other RTS games to come after its inception, It wasn't just "WarCraft in space with an additional race" the races were completely different to each other, Well balanced.
And some would argue StarCraft is possibly the best RTS game of all time. (I agree with them).


RE: CNC 3 = SC2
By GlassHouse69 on 5/23/2007 12:21:02 AM , Rating: 1
definitely so.

i had a lot of fun with Red alert on khan or khali or something called that. dialup networking service. anyone remember it? as of 2 years ago I found it still is working!

but, sc, is just forever a good game.


RE: CNC 3 = SC2
By The Sword 88 on 5/23/2007 12:54:06 AM , Rating: 2
Its easy to have 3 armies that are balanced after 10 years of paches.

And yeah Red Alert turned into building your high tech units, that makes since. Tier 1 units are only for base defense/early rushes. I personally dont like game sthat encourgae me to keep Tier 1 units.

SupCom is great because of the huge scale and micromanagement. It make your think, hard to keep track of sveral huge bases and sveral huge amries whereas I can just spam a huge army then march to the enemy base. Veyr little actual strategy, more like who cna click the fastest in SC wheres in SupCom I have to try to win a battle over here to reinforce the battle ove rthere and so on.

Winter Assault's camoaign on Hard was decently hard. Starcraft was harder, I'll give you that. I did not like Starcraft's story. It seemed like a ripoff of the 40K universe, oh wait it was. A for DoW's story if you know about the backf=ground and you play the TT game and read the novels, DoW had a very good story.

I never played Homeworld but Dune 2 is a great RTS.

Total Annhiliation or Red Alert still take the cake from Starcraft though.

And as to people who say things like "its starcraft man! come on!" Yeha that does not count as a n arguement, at all.


RE: CNC 3 = SC2
By StevoLincolnite on 5/23/2007 2:47:48 AM , Rating: 2
StarCraft hasn't been out for 10 years, It came out on April the 1st 1998.
So Just slightly more than 9 years than 10.
And StarCraft was always pretty balanced even version 1, I found to be rather good.
And if Total Annihilation and Red alert took the cake from StarCraft, then why is StarCraft a national sport in korea? Why is there still tens of thousands of players on Battle.net?
Why after 9 years since its released still gets voted as one of the best games of all time?

I agree that StarCraft and the table-top Warhammer game has some similarities, but StarCraft came out before Dawn of War, computer game wise.
And trust me, your clicking speed means nothing in StarCraft, I would like you to send 100 Hydralisks to my base, only for me to use 4-5 Templars to waste them all with ease, Thanks to storm. Theres more to StarCraft than spamming units, STRATERGY is involved as well, For instance you have a giant air force, You obviously do not attack your enemies choke point, You attack from the side of they're base where there is hardly any defense.


RE: CNC 3 = SC2
By xzc145 on 5/23/2007 5:51:12 AM , Rating: 2
Starcraft 1.0 was balanced.

As I said, SupCom's more about hand-eye coordination than actual strategy....unless you're playing on -5 gamespeed.

From a storyline point of view, any Games Workshop product is the last thing you should hold up as being original in any way,
its all essentially a rewrite of human history with changed names and added fangs....
40k's for kids anyway.

My comment about Dune 2 was sarcastic....genres evolve for a reason. If you've never played HW2 I recommend you go buy it right away.

As for the "its starcraft man! come on!" argument, SC is the benchmark for Real Time _STRATEGY_ ;-)


RE: CNC 3 = SC2
By kalak on 5/23/2007 11:01:06 AM , Rating: 2
its starcraft man! come on!

Starcraft is the Best FTR !
:-)


RE: CNC 3 = SC2
By karnz on 5/23/2007 2:18:48 AM , Rating: 1
All todays RTS games are just a remake of Warcraft 1, do you remember dos and 2400 baud modems ?


RE: CNC 3 = SC2
By kalak on 5/23/2007 11:06:01 AM , Rating: 2
Are you nuts ???


RE: CNC 3 = SC2
By CascadingDarkness on 5/25/2007 6:10:34 PM , Rating: 2
Actually most of us gave up that part of our memories to replace that space in our brains with time dilators. You know, so we could play Supreme Commander one frame at a time (like it plays on 95% of all PCs), then have it sped up in our heads so it was playable.


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