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AMD "FASN8"
Phenom, to deliver a phenomenal computing experience

AMD today officially announced its new Phenom processor brand for its next-generation Barcelona architecture. The new Phenom branding will find its way on AMD’s next-generation Stars family of desktop processors. Phenom processors will coexist with AMD’s current Athlon 64 and Sempron processors; however, Athlon 64 processors cater towards entry-level while Sempron caters towards value consumers.

Last week, AMD demonstrated its Phenom processor in a Quad FX configuration for a total of eight-cores in a system. AMD has dubbed its next-generation Quad FX platform FASN8, or “fascinate.” The next-generation FASN8 platform forms around AMD’s upcoming RD790 chipset paired with dual Phenom FX processors. With a pair of AMD ATI Radeon HD 2900 XT’s in the FASN8 platform, the system is able to deliver over a teraflop of computing power in a single box.

“AMD has always enjoyed a great bond with the enthusiast community, and the introduction of the AMD Phenom processor family will take our relationship to new heights,” corporate vice president and general manager of AMD’s desktop division Bob Brewer said. “We continue to focus on listening to and addressing users’ evolving needs. AMD is confident the performance enhancements enabled by true quad-core client technology in computing-intensive environments will allow them to realize new possibilities and find new inspiration.”

Expect AMD to introduce its Phenom processors and accompanying RD790 platforms in time for the Christmas shopping season.


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A great bond?
By osalcido on 5/14/2007 2:48:41 AM , Rating: -1
“AMD has always enjoyed a great bond with the enthusiast community, and the introduction of the AMD Phenom processor family will take our relationship to new heights,”



LOL... you HAD a great bond. It's gone now. Ever since AMD gouged enthusiasts on X2's early on and forced us to change sockets every few months ...that bond has been broken




RE: A great bond?
By SquidianLoveGod on 5/14/2007 3:10:58 AM , Rating: 4
If I remember, the Athlon 64's X2's are still good performers and can still handle everything you throw at them.
And how many years has it taken for AMD to change from Socket A, 754, 939 and AM2? Yet Intel had Socket 370, 423, 478, 775.
Not to mention Slot 1 and Slot A. respectively. So I would say that both companies are fairly even in the amount of sockets they have had since the debut of the Athlon and Pentium 3.
And now that AMD has the pressure on its back thanks to Intel prices on they're processors have plummeted, which is only a win for us consumers, as it means more performance for your dollar.


RE: A great bond?
By defter on 5/14/2007 6:53:50 AM , Rating: 2
It took only three years to change from Socket 754 to AM2 through 939. In addition to those, Athlon64s have used Socket 940 and F.


RE: A great bond?
By protosv on 5/14/2007 7:56:00 AM , Rating: 2
Yeah, I still think AMD ditched 939 waaay too early. It wasn't until 800MHz DDR2 became readily available that we saw any real performance boost. I guess it was to pave the way for 65nm?


RE: A great bond?
By qdemn7 on 5/14/07, Rating: 0
RE: A great bond?
By Proteusza on 5/14/07, Rating: 0
RE: A great bond?
By Tom Tom on 5/14/2007 10:08:28 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah its too late for AMD, cause they're competing against a freggin monopoly. A monopoly thats willing to spend as much money killing off competition as it does investing in R&D and innovating.


RE: A great bond?
By Amiga500 on 5/14/2007 5:28:35 AM , Rating: 2
Rubbish.

Here are the sockets for just the Pentium 4:

Socket 423
Socket 478
Socket 478 Hyper-Threading Technology
Socket 478 Extreme Edition (L3 cache)
Socket 775
Socket 775 EM64T (64-bit extensions)

And how many of those socket 478s could be used with dual core cpus - not too damn many!

AMD tends to stick with sockets much longer, and avoids chipset changes that render the same socket useless for upgrading. I was a bit dissapointed with the tail-off of socket 939 to AM2 (I have a 939), but compared to the (crap) P4 machine forced on me at work, at least the skt939 was upgradable to a useful degree.


RE: A great bond?
By Proteusza on 5/14/2007 5:34:16 AM , Rating: 1
Socket 478 is 478 - you just listed several cpu revisions.

As in, the 3 different socket 478's you listed arent sockets, they are different kind of cpus, and any socket 478 cpu will work in any socket 478 motherboard (you might need a bios revision though). okay in the case of hyperthreading I now that needed motherboard support, but thats hardly a new socket.

Intel has had 478 -> 775. Thats two CPU sockets in what, 5 years?

AMD has had 462 (AMD Athlon) -> 754 (First Athlon 64) -< 939 (Athlon 64) -> AM2 (recent athlons) as well as socket F.

Thats far more over the same period of time.

A socket 478 hyperthreading will work in an extreme edition 478 (to borrow your socket descriptions) but there is no way a socket 939 cpu will work in am2.


RE: A great bond?
By KristopherKubicki (blog) on 5/14/2007 6:05:14 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
AMD has had 462 (AMD Athlon) -> 754 (First Athlon 64) -< 939 (Athlon 64) -> AM2 (recent athlons) as well as socket F.

Socket 940 was in there too.


RE: A great bond?
By FITCamaro on 5/14/2007 7:17:09 AM , Rating: 2
Socket 940 was for Opterons, not Athlons.

Same as Socket F is for Opterons while Socket AM2 is for Athlons.


RE: A great bond?
By Chillin1248 on 5/14/2007 8:17:59 AM , Rating: 3
Socket 940 was home to the first revision of Athlon 64 FX series with ECC registered memory.

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Chillin


RE: A great bond?
By Kim Leo on 5/14/2007 7:51:38 AM , Rating: 2
you said: "As in, the 3 different socket 478's you listed arent sockets, they are different kind of cpus, and any socket 478 cpu will work in any socket 478 motherboard (you might need a bios revision though). okay in the case of hyperthreading I now that needed motherboard support, but thats hardly a new socket."

that's entirely not true, Prescott won't work in any motherboard(mostly) made in the time of Northwood, not even with a Bios upgrade, celeron D as well, and i know that some LGA775 would work with all Pentium D except the EE you needed to buy the biggest chipset(for some unknown reason) for that..

ANY! Socket 754 Processor wil work in ANY 754 Board and there did come newer revisions, 64Bit semprons and 90nm Athlon 64, and Turion.

They said that there where some of the first socket 939 boards that didn't support Dual Core, but i havn't seen one yet.

yes AMD have had a bigger number sockets than usutal, but when you got a cpu and a board you didn't have to check the chipset at all, just the socket, that can not be said about any of intels sockets.. so you can't say things like: 939 CPU's will not fit in AM2 sockets if you're not going to say that LGA 775 CPU's won't fit in Socket 478 boards.

and one last thing, Socket F is a Server Socket, as well is 940 if we count server sockets, intel has more sockets, and then we might as well count mobile Sockets in as well, intel got like 2 or 3 different 479 sockets, AMD got Socket S1 and 754, and we already got 754.


RE: A great bond?
By Amiga500 on 5/14/2007 8:11:59 AM , Rating: 2
As in, the 3 different socket 478's you listed arent sockets, they are different kind of cpus, and any socket 478 cpu will work in any socket 478 motherboard (you might need a bios revision though).

I suggest you go read up on the various compatabilities with chipsets with socket 478s.

You do not have a free upgrade path with them at all.

The 845 chipsets do not support dual core processors, nor do the 865 chipsets. Neither does the 915 or 925 chipsets. Heck - with the 865 and 845, the (single-core) processor you could input depended on the motherboard revision, sometimes even a BIOS upgrade wouldn't do the job.

Intel best for upgrading my arse!

*If you want to check it out for yourself, here is the link:

http://www.intel.com/support/motherboards/desktop/...


RE: A great bond?
By defter on 5/15/2007 1:00:56 AM , Rating: 2
You are confusing sockets with chipset/motherboard incompatibilities.

For example AMD used Socket A for many years, but you couldn't plug AthlonXP in first Socket A board. And you couldn't plug 0.13um Barton in first boards that supported Athlon XP.

The same applies to Socket 478/Socket 775, the socket stayed the same, but boards weren't compatibile with newer CPUs.

quote:
Heck - with the 865 and 845, the (single-core) processor you could input depended on the motherboard revision, sometimes even a BIOS upgrade wouldn't do the job.


Actually 865 chipset works perfectly fine with quad core Kentsfield: http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?Model=775i65...


RE: A great bond?
By psychobriggsy on 5/14/2007 6:44:50 AM , Rating: 2
Every few months? Get over yourself mate.

The only big issue people have is that S939 was just dropped for AM2 so it made CPU-only upgrades far harder for people who had bought with the intention of getting a dual-core CPU a year or two down the line.

At least AMD are making AM2 and AM2+ compatible (and AM2+ and AM3 IIRC).

Most people buy new systems, so it isn't an issue, and apart from "must have latest and greatest" enthusiasts, most people will upgrade the motherboard at the same time as the CPU. It was just that AM2 CPU + Mobo + DDR2 was not a great value proposition against Core 2 Duo + Mobo + DDR2, and AMD will have had a lot of vocal defectors because of that poor decision to halt S939 so quickly.


RE: A great bond?
By darkpaw on 5/14/2007 10:56:35 AM , Rating: 2
It definately didn't just hurt the latest and greatest types. Many people like myself bought a X2-3800 with plans to upgrade later when prices on the higher end ones dropped. The premium AMD was charging made buying an X2 quite pricey, but there never was a change to upgrade when prices dropped because the product line was prematurely killed off.


RE: A great bond?
By tjr508 on 5/15/2007 3:10:46 PM , Rating: 2
The x2-3800 is a great chip and with a small tweak needs no upgrading. For $80 in 939 flavor it is a steal. Last I checked, the 939 opterons are still in production.

Want to see something really funny? Look at people on ebay buying the 754 3700+ for more money than a decent AM2 setup with board/cpu/memory.

It's the same reason a 7800GS (AGP) sells for $50 more than a 7800GT. Hell, even the highest clocked bartons still demand a premium and don't even get me started on the dothans.

If history has taught us anything, it is don't eye your dream chip on your current platform and plan on a cheap upgrade in the future.

The best thing about 939 is it was such a vast platform, those with the 3000+ can now get a very affordable upgrade (x2-3800), but the high end parts won't be cheap until they are completly obsolete.


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