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Vonage might be able to keep itself in the game with a possible way around Verizon's patents

Vonage Holding Corp. said it may have a way to get around Verizon's patents.  The VoIP company said that it may have technology that will allow the company to continue offering its services.  The workaround technology is necessary to allow customers to call standard telephones.

"We will begin rolling these workarounds out shortly, hopefully in the next few weeks, and we believe they will work,'' Chief Executive Officer Jeffrey Citron said on a conference call today, reported Bloomberg.

The necessity for the new technology comes after Vonage was found by the jury for infringing on Verizon's patents for VoIP to standard telephone calling technology.  Vonage was cut a break with a permanent stay of injunction granted in April, allowing the company to sign up new customers.  

According to Citron, the new Vonage technology for standard phone calling can be installed through software downloads and should not be high cost for deployment. 

Vonage filed a written argument yesterday with the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Federal Court of Washington.  Vonage is claiming that the judge's interpretation of Verizon's patents and the jury's verdict are invalid and should be thrown out. Verizon's reply to the written argument is due May 23, and the appeal will be argued before a three-judge panel on June 25.



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ick
By grimdeath on 5/15/07, Rating: 0
RE: ick
By Mitch101 on 5/15/2007 3:50:26 PM , Rating: 3
I think that is the problem your land line friends are classified as 60 miles not being local and the phone companies are charging for these calls while the VOIP sees the entire US and other areas as all local calls.

Especially when the VOIP system is half the cost of the land line who are the real crooks?

I use sunrocket personally and got it for $199.00 for 2 years of service. I like it much more than Vonage and its much more reliable than Vonage was. Plus my TIVO can make its daily calls where Vonage could not even with the additional fax service. Might have just been the area I was in. But I will never switch back to a land line because I would rather have unlimited phone for $8.33 a month and take it on vacations than to pay $50+ a month and have all sorts of funky misc charges.


RE: ick
By sonoran on 5/15/2007 4:18:54 PM , Rating: 2
And how long do you think it'll be until Verizon files suit to shut down Sunrocket too?


RE: ick
By Mitch101 on 5/15/2007 4:29:56 PM , Rating: 2
Pretty quickly about the only reason they havent is because Sunrocket isnt a threat like Vonage. Same with the other ones like Packet8 and I think Dlink also is one.

If Verizon takes out the biggest VOIP service they get a big paycheck and the little guys fall like domino's. No sense for them to sue the little guys when there is more money to take out Vonage.


RE: ick
By arazok on 5/15/2007 5:22:28 PM , Rating: 2
I read a newspaper article about a year ago that said the cost to deliver phone service to one customers home was about $0.16 a month. It provided no details of the claim, but I don't doubt it's probably true. The infrastructure has been largely built for some time. Once the wires are run, how much can it really cost to maintain a network of wires?

In Canada, phone prices are governed by the CRTC. The idea was that telcos had to ask to raise prices, and the CRTC would look out for joe public and only allow justified increases. This may have worked in 1935, but now we are in a situation where VOIP, free of regulation, is half the price of a land line, and the Telcos are forbidden from lowering prices to compete by the CRTC. The CRTC justifies this by saying that they are trying to protect the startup VOIP firms from predatory pricing.

All I know is that it means there is no competition in the industry, and it costs me more for both VOIP and a land line service then it does for an American (The same applies to cellular I might add - we get fleeced).


RE: ick
By dajeepster on 5/16/2007 12:30:59 AM , Rating: 2
ok... ummm... you were upset that your tivo wasn't able to make its daily calls over Vonage as apposed to Sunrocket... both which use VOIP.

if you had broadband.... why did you bother with a call number?... why not just use the broadband internet for the TIVO to make its daily call? why handicap yourself with dialup access number? using any phone number to access data will give you limited bandwidth... audio doesn't take that much and it's bandwidth on the telephone networks are limited (intentionally) to begin with.


RE: ick
By Mitch101 on 5/16/2007 10:49:45 AM , Rating: 2
Because my Series 2 Tivo's doesnt have the ability to do that (No Ethernet Port or adapter avilable for my model). To do the series 2 Tivo broadband mod you make the Tivo null modem into a PC which does the broadband update. Unless there is a new mod that Im not aware of for my tivo but a quick search doesnt show there is. :(

As to why it works I can only assume the Sunrocket device has better analog to digital conversion in it. With Vonage paying for the fax service every fax I sent everyone said was garbled at thier end. One in about 10 would get through. Tivo never made it through with Vonage. Hardly worth what I was paying for it.


RE: ick
By dajeepster on 5/17/2007 11:24:48 PM , Rating: 2
I have the older style series2 (when they first came out) and the newer style and I've been able to hook them both up... you use a usb to wireless adaptor ... and then configure it in the setting on your series2 tivo box.


RE: ick
By OrSin on 5/15/2007 3:54:24 PM , Rating: 2
Sunrocket lets you pick your numbers from huge list.
Also you got the server and was not told your number before hand? Or was you told and just didn't realize where the extention was from?

It seems like it would be the second cast and if so then that was on you more then on them. I remember when my cell companies tried to give me a phone that i need to dail 1 to get to from my house. I just told them to change it or I would not sign up.


Good
By AlexWade on 5/15/2007 3:23:59 PM , Rating: 2
Now, maybe, the dinosaur landline telecoms can die. Going all cellular phone or internet is the future. Adapt or die. Hopefully, it will never become adapt or sue.




RE: Good
By wiiz3rd on 5/15/2007 3:34:25 PM , Rating: 2
As much as I hate BellSouth (now AT&T) for slapping on too many charges to raise my land line phone bill, I just want them to limp instead of dying. Otherwise, the likes of Time Warner Cable will become the monopoly.


RE: Good
By herbiehancock on 5/16/2007 1:08:44 AM , Rating: 2
So, how do you use your cell phone or internet phone when the power dies? Guess you live where there are no tornadoes, hurricanes, fires, flooding, etc.

At least with a "dinosaur landline" phone, even if the electricity dies, the phone still works. And before you say....it'll be back on real quick, many times it goes out for days during things like mentioned above.


Can you sue me now?
By zombiexl on 5/15/2007 3:29:29 PM , Rating: 2
Being a vonage customer, I'm glad they have done something..

Honestly I'd be more interested in the make up of the jury and the qualifications of the judge to interpret the patent. It seems that much like the people in the patent office many people involved in patent trials are not qualified enough.




RE: Can you sue me now?
By theapparition on 5/16/2007 10:37:01 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Honestly I'd be more interested in the make up of the jury and the qualifications of the judge to interpret the patent.

Very rarely are there ever jury trials involved in patent disputes. In this case, its was just the judge interpreting the law based on the cases presented by both sides.


I hope this works for Vonage
By jhaygood on 5/15/2007 5:23:16 PM , Rating: 3
I use them for many reasons:

1. They're cheap.. $25 + $5 + tax
2. Local phone number
3. Canadian phone number (virtual)
4. Simulring
5. Free US/Canada long distance

This works for me since I'm American and I'm engaged to a Canadian, and no other company I found has all of the above (well at least 1, 2, 3, and 5)




vonage
By sepirocth on 5/15/2007 4:30:03 PM , Rating: 2
am very glad vonage will be able to survive, i would really hate to see verizon get their way and basically take over or destroy a good competitor such as vonage.




Why does Vonage even need to?
By EarthsDM on 5/15/2007 11:10:26 PM , Rating: 2
The US Supreme Court's recent ruling, along with prior art not disclosed by Verizon, means that Vonage has very little to worry about.

KSR International v. Teleflex Inc., U.S. Supreme Court No. 04-1350 (April 30, 2007)




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