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Need for Speed Carbon VGA comparison

King Kong HD DVD VGA comparison
Xbox 360 games now look better than ever in VGA

Although the new Windows Live Messenger integration and improved Achievements system are the more widely advertised new features of the Spring Update, a little known new feature has crept its way into the latest Dashboard version – improved image quality when using the Xbox 360 VGA output.

A long-standing complaint of the VGA output on the Xbox 360 is its “washed out” picture quality, where colors on the screen would not appear as bright and vibrant as compared to running the console to the TV using component cables.

The culprit for this problem is the difference between how HDTV and PC displays interpret black levels. A correctly calibrated HDTV typically expects a black level to be at 7.5 IRE (with anything below that to be “blacker than black”), while a PC display has its black set to zero. The Xbox 360, which is tweaked for televisions, has its IRE tuned for the HDTV norm of 7.5 IRE.

However, due to the fact that most HDTVs manufacturers expect that VGA inputs are for use with PCs rather than the Xbox 360, most televisions have its IRE for VGA at zero to accommodate a PC video card’s output. The result of this is that while the Xbox 360 is sending out a 7.5 IRE for calling for black, the HDTV is interpreting that as a call for something less than black, like a pleasant shade of grey.

The Spring Update adds a new feature allowing users to tweak the IRE setting that the Xbox 360 sends out to the television. “Both Xbox 360 Elite and current Xbox 360 units will have a spring (console) update which adds support for different video levels for VGA output (“7.5 IRE vs 0”) ... using this setting you should be able to use computer monitors in addition to TVs with resolutions all the way up to 1080p with high fidelity and no issues with HDCP handshaking,” explained Amir Majidimehr, VP of Microsoft’s Consumer Media Technology Group. “So for current users, I highly recommend trying this update with your VGA connection to see if it does the job for you. Note that this is a console update and will work for both games and of course, HD DVD.”

Surprisingly, instead of giving the user direct control of the IRE setting, the Spring Update added three non-descriptive options to the Xbox 360 display settings – standard, intermediate and expanded – with no indication of which setting represents what level of blackness. DailyTech decided to put each of the three levels to the test. Presented in the images to the right is a comparison of each of the three reference levels using Need for Speed Carbon as the test game and King Kong as the test HD DVD. “Standard” appears to retain the same black level setting (7.5 IRE) as it was before the update, and the “expanded” setting looks to present the blackest blacks (0 IRE), with the “intermediate” setting being somewhere in between.

While the increased richness and color in Need for Speed Carbon is noticeable, the more appreciable difference of the new IRE settings comes when watching movies. In all parts of King Kong, but especially the dark scenes where accurate black levels are essential, the new “expanded” reference level produced images that were far richer and less washed out, providing a significantly improved picture.


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Meh
By awer26 on 5/9/2007 10:08:37 AM , Rating: -1
I'm always one for updates and improvements, but this is barely noticeable - and that's when blown up on my computer screen. I doubt anyone could tell when the picture's moving on their TV.




RE: Meh
By obeseotron on 5/9/2007 10:14:45 AM , Rating: 2
I dunno how much this update helps, but if you've ever actually seen a 360 over vga, especially to a budget hdtv, you know the image quality is absolutely awful. I have a friend with a 42" sceptre with the 360 hooked up over vga, and I would honestly rather play some games on a good SDTV than over VGA.


RE: Meh
By whalenapp81 on 5/9/2007 1:09:26 PM , Rating: 2
glad i can veiw games at 1080p over component cables with my tv, though i do want an hdmi input for xbox, but i want smaller chipset before i buy new one.


RE: Meh
By otispunkmeyer on 5/10/2007 4:00:28 AM , Rating: 2
i agree, my mate got a cheap HDTV out of argos, 32 inch i think (720p/1080i) i dont know the brand of the top of my head but i cant say i recognised it to be a big name brand.

along with quite disgusting back light bleed it almost looked like we were playing GoW through looking through a veil of milky water.... horribly washed out on the VGA

component was a little better, bit more punchy, but the image still looked bad.

i play my 360 on my dell 2005fpw (8 bit IPS FTW!) over vga, and i always thought it looked a little washed out. this update has helped alot imo.

TDU is the only game not benefiting too much, but i think its just that game...the colours on the cars are very dull and lifeless at times...especially reds. ive never seen a F40 look so dull.

by contrast, in PG3 the F40 is literally bouncing of the screen in a blaze of vivid red.


RE: Meh
By bysmitty on 5/9/2007 10:31:48 AM , Rating: 1
You obviously have never seen a 360 hooked up to a computer LCD via VGA then. Washed out is the only way to describe the color under these settings whether the picture is moving or not. You notice it right away when you boot to the dashboard. I'll admit that you kind of get used to it after a while but this is still a much needed and much appreciated update.

...bysmitty


RE: Meh
By Goty on 5/9/2007 12:30:18 PM , Rating: 2
I don't know, it does seem to help some of the "banding" issues.


RE: Meh
By LatinMessiah on 5/9/2007 1:00:12 PM , Rating: 1
I agree. I don't see any difference.


RE: Meh
By Goty on 5/9/2007 1:20:15 PM , Rating: 2
Check the reflection on the rear quarterpanel/bumper section of the NFS:C screenshot at full resolution and you can see a definite improvement.


RE: Meh
By AmbroseAthan on 5/9/2007 1:33:11 PM , Rating: 3
Or if you don't see the difference in the game shot; do you see the difference in the top King Kong shot and the bottom one? That one is like day compared to night; I'm amazed how much darker it is.


RE: Meh
By darkpaw on 5/9/2007 2:18:36 PM , Rating: 2
Yah, completely different. If someone can't see the differences in the movie pictures they might need their eyes checked.


RE: Meh
By sscilli on 5/9/2007 6:53:07 PM , Rating: 2
I'd imagine the difference would be more noticeable while actually playing a game, as apposed to a single screen shot from a car game. I mean it's not gonna be crystal clear with all that motion in a photo taken with a camera.


RE: Meh
By LatinMessiah on 5/10/2007 12:44:23 PM , Rating: 2
I can get the same results by adjusting the TV's video settings. Big deal.


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