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PS2 showing no signs of slowing down despite being in its silver years
Mass market not ready for high-def gaming, says analysts

Before the two new console launches in November 2006, it was popular belief that supplies of the Nintendo Wii would be ample and consumers would be able to secure one without much hassle or worry. Today, a full five months following launch, Wiis are still hard to find, and those who do find them can resell them for a greater profit than the retailer.

According to one analyst’s opinion noted by Home Media Magazine, the demand for the Wii could outstrip supply all the way to 2009. “I believe the Wii will continue strong growth although supply continues to be a problem,” said Billy Pidgeon, video game analyst, IDC. “I’d like to see Wii hardware shipping in larger quantities or mass market consumers may cool on it. Having said that, I don’t believe supply will meet demand for the Wii until 2009.”

“Xbox 360 and PS3 need system-selling games ASAP. Halo 3 will help, as will Lair and Heavenly Sword, but that leaves a hole in Q2 which will be filled by Wii, DS and PSP hardware and software. We’ll also see more PC and PS2 software picking up the slack,” added Pidgeon.

Apparently he isn’t the only analyst who feels that the mass market isn’t quickly taking to high-definition gaming. Michael Pachter at Wedbush Morgan Securities thinks that the PlayStation 2 will remain a strong seller thanks to movie license games such as Spider-Man 3 and Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix.

“It still seems to be the year of the PS2,” said Pachter. “Notwithstanding all of the other choices, consumers keep buying PS2 games, with barely any drop off. Virtually all of the year-over-year growth is attributable to a slower than expected decline in PS2 software sales.”

These analyst comments came immediately following the release of March video game hardware and software sales figures from NPD, with a particularly strong showing for Nintendo DS and PlayStation 2.

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Price matters
By knitecrow on 4/25/2007 4:41:19 PM , Rating: 4
From the numbers it looks like consumers are quite price sensitive, though hype hells as well. It is easy to splurge on a PS2. I know lots of people who have bought a PS2 along with one game and never touched it again.

You can't do that with an xbox 360 or PS3.

The Wii definitely seems to be the "IT" system and for $250 it is a relatively cheap way to get into gaming. I own a wii and haven't seen a reason to own any game beyond wii-sports. Any one know what the attach numbers are like for the wii?

RE: Price matters
By Warder45 on 4/25/2007 4:52:30 PM , Rating: 3
Same here, I have rented a few more Wii games but nothing is really as fun in a group as Wii Sports. The only other "Wii" game I've put any kind of time into Zelda, but I'm playing it on the Gamecube, so I'm not sure that counts.

RE: Price matters
By AntDX316 on 4/26/07, Rating: -1
RE: Price matters
By JimFear on 4/26/2007 9:06:21 AM , Rating: 3
Even +60fps in oblivion outside with all accesible options cracked to the max? (that includes AA and AF) :)

RE: Price matters
By Suomynona on 4/26/2007 9:51:40 AM , Rating: 4
I bow to your superior e-penis.

RE: Price matters
By SilthDraeth on 4/26/2007 10:24:34 AM , Rating: 2
That was almost funny.

RE: Price matters
By rushfan2006 on 4/26/2007 11:05:42 AM , Rating: 3
Finally a valid mod down....

Gotta love the little kiddies living at home flexing their e-peen as if to give them some valid significance above the average joe...because toy is badder than your toy......

While they don't hear the logical reply come back as "yeah but the other guy has a life ...."...


RE: Price matters
By Xavian on 4/25/2007 4:53:12 PM , Rating: 2
It's quite high actually, the attach ratio for the Wii is just over 3.5 right now, higher then the PS3 (2.4) and lower then the Xbox 360 (5.3).

Ofcourse this is for Japan and US only, since Europe numbers are very hard to come by.

RE: Price matters
By ninjit on 4/25/2007 5:03:55 PM , Rating: 2
Can someone explain what the attach ratio is?

RE: Price matters
By mcq01 on 4/25/2007 5:20:03 PM , Rating: 2
I think it is the number of games sold per console.

RE: Price matters
By Marcus Yam on 4/25/2007 5:29:47 PM , Rating: 2
Bingo. That number of 2.4 looks like a pretty good turnaround for PS3, which initially had less than a game to each console.

What I really want to see is how many Blu-ray movies each PS3 owner has, though I imagine that data would be difficult to fish out aside from using a sloppy survey.

RE: Price matters
By OxBow on 4/25/2007 5:45:00 PM , Rating: 2
2.4 is higher than I expected, since I only own 2 PS3 games myself (Resistance and Motorstom, both fun and pretty as all get out).

As for "owning" blue-ray movies, I only "own" one, the TDNights which came with the system. As for blue-ray movies I've rented, it's been around a dozen. Netflix is still great. It's a little disengenous to tie movie sales to player sales in the format war, since rental companies purchase the movies and not usually the players. I don't feel much need to "own" these movies, but I do enjoy watching them, so what does that mean for sales? Arbitrary metrics for complex supply chains.

RE: Price matters
By encryptkeeper on 4/25/2007 5:48:14 PM , Rating: 2
The mass market will be ready for HD when it comes down in price, bottom line. HD isn't like going from black and white tvs to color, and that has been the comparison since it was introduced. It's not that dramatic a change. The improvement is there, but it's not noticeable enough for people to go crazy over it.

That being said, by the time HD is cheap enough that the mainstream will buy it, something ELSE may be out to replace HD. That would be one nice vicious cycle.

I am a Nintendo fan no doubt, but a shortage until 2009? That's just a bit insane. It's already insanely popular, but severe supply shortages until 2009? Was that a mistake? Was that actually Ken Katarugi's (sp) estimate on how long the PS3 would be in high demand?

RE: Price matters
By Oregonian2 on 4/25/2007 5:57:55 PM , Rating: 2
The mass market will be ready for HD when it comes down in price, bottom line. HD isn't like going from black and white tvs to color, and that has been the comparison since it was introduced. It's not that dramatic a change. The improvement is there, but it's not noticeable enough for people to go crazy over it.

Especially compared to a well made regular DVD upscaled and connected digitally through an HDMI connector.

RE: Price matters
By Lakku on 4/25/2007 10:58:46 PM , Rating: 1
I'm sorry, but if you two are telling me the difference between normal TV/DVD and HDTV isn't that drastic, I would like some of what you are smoking. As for the DVD comment I am replying to, you are more correct than the first post, but even so, it still looks better. It all depends on how the High Def movie is mastered, some don't look much, if any, better, while others look quite a bit better. Either way, as for the first guy, you either 1) Have a crappy HDTV (or a really good CRT TV as they tend to display SDTV signals a lot better then native digital displays) or are 2) Blind (or you don't really pay attention).

RE: Price matters
By bubbacub616 on 4/26/2007 1:56:17 AM , Rating: 2
he isn't saying that there is minimal difference between hd and sd, he is only pointing out that the differnce is much less than the jump from b&w to colour (which was something ordinary joe's really appreciated)

RE: Price matters
By RandomFool on 4/26/2007 9:55:12 AM , Rating: 2
There is a difference between the two but it not a big enough justification for most people to go out and spend the money on it. Heck I still used Rabbit ears on a 19in CRT tv in my room. The qualitiy isn't great but I don't really need that sort of quality while watching the Office. Cost is the biggest barrier to adoption and the added quality isn't enough.

RE: Price matters
By jconan on 4/25/2007 8:23:08 PM , Rating: 2
Actually it's not a shortage it's just in time. Not too much and not too little for Nintendo. I've checked with most stores as soon as shipments come in i.e. for Best Buy or Circuit City the Wii's are gone. Some of these stores get shipments randomly on weekends or weekdays i.e. 1 local Toysrus gets shipments on Sundays with about 50 to 60 Wii's while some a dozen. Hopefully RE Umbrella Chronicles for Wii comes out sometime soon this year maybe that will fill some of the void.

RE: Price matters
By BladeVenom on 4/25/2007 8:07:30 PM , Rating: 2
The attach ratio would have to be less than .33 movies per console. They've sold almost 3 million consoles, but they've only sold one million Blu-ray discs. You'd also need to subtract how many discs went to owners of stand alone players, but I don't know how many that would be.

While some Sony fans might want to justify the high the cost of the PS3 because it is also a Blu-ray player, it looks like most PS3 owners don't care much about Blu-ray so far since most don't own a single movie for it.

RE: Price matters
By Alpha4 on 4/25/2007 10:32:44 PM , Rating: 2
I agree with your assessment and am scratching my head as to why it was modded down. Perhaps it'd be possible to determine the attach-rate of Blu-Ray movies to PS3's if they had each PS3 with an internet connection anonymously report each instance a unique Blu-Ray movie is played at least two weeks apart (to rule out any rentals). That would account for a purchase, wouldn't it?

RE: Price matters
By Lakku on 4/25/2007 10:52:04 PM , Rating: 2
It was probably voted down because, last time I checked, the majority of people rent movies rather then buy them. It makes sense, since games tend to have more 'replay' or added value, especially if they have multiplayer. You can't just say most people with a PS3 don't care about BD (you imply it by saying they justify the high cost of PS3 because it plays BD movies) by sales of movies, because as I said, most people rent movies, rather then buy them. This is especially true with Netflix and Blockbuster online nowadays. I know plenty of people unfortunately, that use these services to rent movies cheap, burn them, send back for more, and burn some more. Hard to do that with games. Anyway, that last bit is just some speculation as to why people tend to rent movies rather than buy.

RE: Price matters
By BZDTemp on 4/26/2007 8:28:17 AM , Rating: 2
You can't do that with an xbox 360 or PS3.

Sure you can. I only have PGR3 for my 360.

Not that I would not like more games it's just that so many 360 games are either to arcade like or also appear on PC where they are more fun to play (plus cheaper plus there is often Mod's which add even more fun).

I hope the same will not be the case with my PS3 but at least it can run Linux so it can do other stuff besides gaming (no - the lame video play function on the 360 does not count as streaming from a PC seems just silly to me)

RE: Price matters
By Ravenlore on 4/26/2007 2:33:05 PM , Rating: 2
ITs not just price is is not yet time for a New HDTV or BB for many people and not just that but the games play the same just look beter on next gen consoles. when home launches and gaems take advantage of PS3 and people move to HDTV in 2008 and beyond then the people who bought PS2 will move on to PS3 just like they moved on from PS1!!

I don't think so...
By AmpedSilence on 4/25/2007 4:56:47 PM , Rating: 5
Okay, first off i have a Wii and i love it. There now that that's out of the way on to the topic at hand.

I think the world is ready for HD gaming, just not at this price point.

Wait until 2009 comes around that analog signals have to be stopped broadcasting and people go out and new HD tvs. You think that then people won't be interested in HD gaming? The installed user base of people that can take advantage of the HD is limited, but once it grows these consoles will do better.

Second, its all about software. What games does each console offer? The Wii doesn't need a "killer-app" (it has the controller as it's "killer-app") but the other consoles do. Now given the controller will lose appeal unless there is a way to use it effectively, but for the time being it will be enough.

To Sony, you want to push out your PS3? Stop producing games for the PS2. They are releasing games on both systems, why would i go and purchase a $600 console when i can get a similar gaming experience on the PS2, which is what $150? NOTE: I realize that HD has advantages, but we are talking mass-market not high end, or even middle-high end.

But why would any publisher stop making games for the PS2? Here you have a system that has sold over 93 million units! 93 million!!! With some games costing over $10 million to produce this kind of user base is a gold mine. It would be silly for a publisher to limit themselves if they don't have to. And also why would Sony stop production on it? They make a killing on every unit, which by now has to be nothing but profit.

I can see the PS2 lasting a while until HD TVs are more wide spread OR Sony stops making them OR the game choice become limited for it. The Wii, well, that will be around and it will do well until people get bored with the current game set UNLESS Nintendo gets its act together and releases some really great games. Seeing as Mario Party, Super Smash Brother's (which i hear is online enabled), and Excite Truck 2 (which also looks to online enabled) are on the horizon i don't see that as being a problem.

XBOX360, well, when i get one in the next few months i guess i can form an opinion about that then.

RE: I don't think so...
By darkpaw on 4/25/2007 5:11:31 PM , Rating: 2
The analog cut-off won't have a huge impact at all. It only means there won't be any more over the air analog TV broadcasts. Lets see, just how many people do you know that still use rabbit ears? I knew exactly one family, but even they got cable last year. My poor ass white trash sister even has cable.The new broadcasts are forced to be HD, they just have to be broadcast in the assigned spectrum for digital broadcast. (derail - Always hate saying digital broadcast.. anything thats sent OTA is analog, its the content thats digitally encoded - end derail)

That said, HDTV penetration rate has gone up from roughly 15% to just under 30% in the last year alone and it will keep rising (I'm one of those happy new owners). This is mostly due to the drop in the price of HD sets though. The rest of your points are all pretty good.

RE: I don't think so...
By dice1111 on 4/25/2007 10:03:48 PM , Rating: 3
My poor ass white trash sister even has cable.
Can I get her number?

RE: I don't think so...
By Alpha4 on 4/25/2007 10:22:01 PM , Rating: 2
Shit son. WTF did your sister do to earn your animosity? My heart goes out to her now, but I think I speak for many here when I say this kind of drama is best kept away from public eyes & ears...

RE: I don't think so...
By darkpaw on 4/26/2007 9:00:10 AM , Rating: 2
Nah, no animosity. My sister is great, just goin back to where I grew up is like visiting Kenny's house in South Park. Most people that live there never leave, I got the heck out soon as I could.

RE: I don't think so...
By MonkeyPaw on 4/26/2007 9:14:51 AM , Rating: 2
For the record, you now know 2 people who don't have cable. Ironically, I have an HDTV, but it's mainly for my Xbox360 and widescreen movie watching. I also pull HD signals down over-the-air, and it's mainly to watch sports in HD (mostly football, but MLB and golf are good, too). I also appreciate the space savings of my LCD TV. Cable is a waste of money to me. I'd rather be doing something else than to flip through 65-100 channels of programming that I'm not dying to see. I find that with cable, you settle for whatever is on, and pay $40-60/month for the priveledge. That's a new game every month if I really wanted. That's just my opinion, though. I'm sure most people find cable pretty valuable.

RE: I don't think so...
By FITCamaro on 4/25/2007 10:48:44 PM , Rating: 4
Why does everyone seem to think that all digital cable signals mean they'll be in HD? Digital cable is a digital signal. Are all digital cable channels HD? Last I checked, far from it. There is some picture quality improvement with a digital signal but the all digital switch in 2009 will not speed the proliferation of HD.

Also, Sony isn't making games for the PS2. Developers are. Sony can't control what they make. Short of pulling all developers licenses for developing for the PS2 which would be like putting a gun to their head (which they've all but done anyway with their arrogance over the PS3).

They are pushing out PS2s still but thats because its selling and they're not about to cut off a revenue maker with PS3 sales in the toilet and each one that does sell being a loss. Even if Sony did stop making PS2s, developers would still keep making games for it. Honestly I wish Microsoft was still producing Xboxs'. They make a great moddable media PC to stream content from your PC to your TV.

RE: I don't think so...
By AmpedSilence on 4/26/2007 9:37:56 AM , Rating: 2
I completely agree.... no analog signal != all HD signal.

But in my post i had referenced that as a catalyst to truly push the HD TV units into mainstream. When the analog tv stops working in 2009, there will be a large portion of the population that will go and get a new TV rather opting for the converter box. Considering last black friday Wal-mart was selling 32" LCD TVs for $499; you can get that same tv for $399 on

Fast Forward 2 years, is it unreasonable to assume that at that time a 42" plasma/LCD/DLP with 720p or 1080i (or even 1080p) capability will be that price? I don't think so. In fact, such a deal might already exist; i haven't researched.

So once that HD TV user base is installed, then people might truly consider HD gaming an option for the mainstream.

In addition, by that time there is a good chance that there will be a price drop for all systems in question. So, lower cost of entry and a TV to take advantage of the HD capability. Then the current HD systems will shine.

Lastly, i think addressed why PS2 was still having games produced for it. But i agree with you regardless.

Oh, and i think of everything i own my modded XBOX with XBMC gets more use than anything else!

RE: I don't think so...
By phusg on 4/26/2007 7:07:12 AM , Rating: 2
The Wii doesn't need a "killer-app" (it has the controller as it's "killer-app") but the other consoles do.

I know what you mean, but don't say it all wrong like that, then I have to reply. No matter how innovative and good a controller is, it is not an application, it's an input device.

As far as I can gather from earlier posts Wii Sports is the killer-app for the Wii.

So this is good for Nintendo
By bighairycamel on 4/25/2007 4:32:23 PM , Rating: 3
So sony had a good product we all knew that. But the fact that the Wii's are selling so strong to the point of scarcity is an accomplishment. Coupled with the fact that they are making a profit off of every console, I guess what else is there to say but W2G?

Why compare a last gen console with a next gen console when they are both successful in their own rites?

On a side not, (at the risk of being flamed, ridiculed, discredited) I own a PS2 and not a Wii, nor do I want one. But looking inside from out, Nintendo has done a great job.

RE: So this is good for Nintendo
By jpeyton on 4/25/2007 5:09:16 PM , Rating: 3
More than just a great job. The scope of Nintendo's turnaround is astounding.

What they have absolutely perfected is timed delivery of their product. They know exactly how much to deliver to sell out, generate buzz, and keep supplies limited while still preventing consumers from becoming disinterested.

RE: So this is good for Nintendo
By Verran on 4/26/2007 9:44:26 AM , Rating: 2
You're absolutely right. If anything, I think the supply shortage is HELPING Nintendo. People want a Wii for lots of reasons, but one of them is that they're hard to get. Getting one is impressive because you can't just walk into a store whenever you feel like it and buy one. This is just more encouragement for people to seek them out, and snag them quickly if they're in stock. That's why Nintendo will continue to sell basically every Wii they ship for a long time.

It's just hilarious to see the aftermath of the launch. After hard-cores tore the Wii up and pointed out all the bells and whistles it didn't have. And now we see the success and I just have to laugh. Here Sony and M$ are in this dead-locked blood-match fighting over the relatively small market of gamers willing to spend $400 plus on a base console, and Nintendo waltzes in and picks all the low hanging fruit in the world of casual gamers who really haven't been represented in the market for a long time. I think it's genius.

RE: So this is good for Nintendo
By mars777 on 4/27/2007 10:14:00 PM , Rating: 2
Hmm, that may be correct for the US, but here in Croatia you can buy lots of Wii while the PS3 can't be found :(

I think its something concerning the 'mentality' of people, or the supply chain?

Silver PS2?
By Goty on 4/25/2007 7:40:15 PM , Rating: 2
I didn't know they made a silver slimline PS2. That's kinda sexy.

RE: Silver PS2?
By Zoomer on 4/25/2007 11:34:42 PM , Rating: 2
It's probably japan domestic only. I think they had them in quite a few colors, from yello, green to pink.

These limited edition units do fetch a price premium.

Anyway, to keep this on topic, I have personally seen a few friends with wiis and don't comprehend the need for it. I think Wii sports is a joke. If not for the wii-mote, it looks like something you would expect to see as a flash based game, or free/shareware back in the days.

RE: Silver PS2?
By jadedeath on 4/26/2007 1:58:19 AM , Rating: 2
untrue, I've seen them all over the place up here in Canada.


RE: Silver PS2?
By Zoomer on 4/26/2007 7:01:39 AM , Rating: 2
I just hit up google and it seems to for europe/aussie.

I think I was thinking of the first colored limited editions, when the ps2 was bigger.

analysts are stupid
By RamarC on 4/25/2007 5:54:10 PM , Rating: 2
2009? C'mon! I think the Wii will surpass the PS/2 by Christmas this year.

Wii is almost matching the PS/2 in monthly sales volume now. Since the Wii software platform isn't radically different than N64, game developers can easily make new content -- certainly easier than with the 360 or the PS/3. So, there's no reason (other than licensing) that titles being made for PS/2 don't also appear on Wii. And Sony can't play the "PS/2 only" card since they want to push folks for exclusive PS/3 titles. Finally, some developers simply won't continue to develop for "obsolete" hardware if they're targeting the high-end consoles.

RE: analysts are stupid
By Timeless on 4/26/2007 6:29:25 PM , Rating: 2
Finally, some developers simply won't continue to develop for "obsolete" hardware if they're targeting the high-end consoles.

That "obsolete" hardware makes a lot of money by the looks of it. Even though the PS2 is obsolete by your standards, it still has a vast user base. I think it sold, what was it, 92 million units? Check my numbers, I could be wrong. Anyways, developers wouldn't want to lose profits that can be reaped from the PS2. Even though a person has a next gen console, why would you throw away a perfectly good last gen console? In short, the PS2 will put up a fight as best selling console. I can see the Wii beating out the PS2 in early 2008, but not by Christmas.

RE: analysts are stupid
By jadedeath on 4/27/2007 1:48:30 PM , Rating: 2
You're kidding right?

I can see the Wii outselling 360 by Christmas easily enough.

But PS2? Not likely.

Considering that Nintendo has been pumping out around a million Wii's per month the chances of them trumping the PS2 by even the end of 2010 without significant production increases is ludicrous at best.


Hard to believe
By peter7921 on 4/25/2007 4:26:12 PM , Rating: 3
I find it hard to believe that Nintendo can't or won't ramp up production to meet demand.

I also disagree that the reason people are buying Wii and PS2 over 360 and PS3, is they don't need or want High Definition gaming.

The reason is price for PS2 and innovation and price for Wii. Wii is a fun console and well priced while the PS2 has tons of games and is very affordable right now.

RE: Hard to believe
By JonB on 4/25/2007 5:19:18 PM , Rating: 2
Sad to say but I have a PS2 and only one game - Guitar Hero II (with two guitars). It is all I've ever played on it. I'm probably not in their demographics. Then again, if they had released GHII for PC, I wouldn't even own the PS2.

Wii games
By solgae1784 on 4/25/2007 7:13:44 PM , Rating: 2
I'll be honest here: from what I look, there isn't much games for Wii that appeals me much besides Zelda TP. Wii needs some more killer titles if they want to keep consumer's interest. I'm hoping that will change with Resident Evil 4 Wii Edition, Umbrella Chronicles, and Super Smash Bros.

Nintendo is on the right direction. They just need more games support to go along with.

I hope Nintendo bumps up on graphic side too. If you're saying today's game is all eye-candy, just look at Gears of War or God of War.

RE: Wii games
By ATWindsor on 4/26/2007 1:49:24 AM , Rating: 2
Yeah, I agree, the Wii looks promising, but lets face it, the number of really good games for it currently is very low. Of the available consoles, I still think PS2 is the best buy.


So how many Wiis is that?
By Doormat on 4/25/2007 11:01:34 PM , Rating: 2
I wonder what they're projecting for total Wii sales until supply meets demand. It seems definate that it will surpass the number of GC units sold, but will it hit 30, 40 or even 50M units by the end of 2009?

RE: So how many Wiis is that?
By jadedeath on 4/27/2007 1:52:26 PM , Rating: 2
They've roughly pumped out a million worldwide per month, as they are totally sold out now and records are showing they're at about the 6 million mark {6 months from the release} so if you figure 1 month=1 million {unless they ramp up production} you're looking at a rough average of 14 million by the end of the year.

Not too shabby, but they've got a long way to go before they come close to reaching last Gen console number totals.


By PrezWeezy on 4/25/2007 5:11:52 PM , Rating: 2
So if it's going to be unavailable for the next 2 years I spose there is very little chance of a price drop any time soon. I'm having a hard time finding a reason to come up with the cash considering the only reason I want it is to download all the games and replace my NES.

By danskmacabre on 4/26/2007 2:12:27 AM , Rating: 2
I currently own a gamecube.
TBH, I'm not really much of a console fan and prefer to play games on my Pc.

After saying that, I have a 6 year old son (nearly 7) and a 4 year old daughter (nearly 5).
I bought an old gamecube 2nd had for next to nothing with some games.
The kids love it and I enjoy playing on it with them.

Every now and then I consider getting a Wii, but TBH don't see the point ATM, we're still enjoying the Gamecube.
I would definitely not buy a PS3, PS3, Xbox or Xbox360 or a Wii at this stage.

For me (and I'm not saying ppl are stupid for buying consoles) I just don't see the point in buying a new console (or a quite old one for that matter), then have to buy more controllers, then games that only work on that console etc, you may as well buy a Pc and you can play the games on whatever PC you want.
Of course you have to upgrade your Pc every now and then, but then the PC is so much more than a games machine.

I only bought the Gamecube because it was dirt cheap and came with games and controllers.
Although I have to say, the kids love it and the one advantage of consoles is you just put in a game and it fires up straight away and you can play.
Then again, my son is quite capable of using, Windows and Linux and plays games on both platforms as well and enjoys them just as much.

The point of this post is, I prefer not to buy NEW gadgets and stuff, if you wait a good year, it'll be cheaper and will be more reliable and have more accessories for it as well (in the case of consoles, games).
Maybe that's what a lot of people are think with the existing new consoles, and maybe even with the Wii, that's why sales will be brisk for years to come.
(I may well buy a Wii in a couple of years).

By Roy2001 on 4/27/2007 12:25:30 AM , Rating: 2
With 65nm die shrink this year, next generation consoles would rule, not PS2.

there's a Wii shortage?
By rushfan2006 on 4/30/2007 10:16:44 AM , Rating: 2
Its a pretty simple task to get a Wii -- pretty much at will, around me.

the EB Games not 2 miles from my house had a few in stock just last week when I went in their to peruse new game titles (you know in that little section of the store they have for PC gaming these, it sucks how little respect PC games get in most stores these days...its all about the

What Shortage?
By Yeah Yeah on 4/30/2007 1:31:47 PM , Rating: 2
WHAT GARBAGE. My 80 year old grandmother went to Wal-Mart this week and picked up a Wii with no problem. I had her ask the employees ask if they just received shipment, and they stated that they have had them for about a week. What gives? She also told me that they had "plenty" left. Maybe if people would drive around or call, they would find them. Just for verification, I called 4 Wal-Marts, they all had them in stock.

hey folks!!
By amolmshanbhag on 5/8/2007 2:02:47 PM , Rating: 2
Can someone refresh me on the prices for Xbox, PS, WII ??? Or if you can guide me to the correct website where I can check the prices and keep updated. Thank you

not here
By sprockkets on 4/26/07, Rating: 0
Mass Market versus Key Users
By greasypole on 4/25/07, Rating: -1
RE: Mass Market versus Key Users
By tekzor on 4/25/07, Rating: -1
RE: Mass Market versus Key Users
By greasypole on 4/25/07, Rating: 0
RE: Mass Market versus Key Users
By davezilla on 4/26/2007 9:54:07 AM , Rating: 2
hi all
hidef gaming is the way forward. just becuase people are buying the wii does not mean they dont want to play hidef games. i have aboth a hidef capable pc and a wii. cable with hd hdmi connections. and yes a (full)hd tv.
i want hd games. but i done want to have to buy a £425 console and £40 a game to get it.
deffinetly since the blue-ray and hd-dvd format war has not really started yet. or at least there is no clear lead by any of its supporters.
if fact i feel like there has been a pause in hd take up, firstly because the low end tv's have poor hd capablties and are only as good as there high end crt brothers. and secondly becuase people have learned from the old days of vhs v. beta max mess.
people are waiting to see what the manufactures are doing to get them to make the jump, ad the manufactures are waiting to see how buy s what and the people who make the contect are waiting to see how many units are sold.
nintendo have done a great thing. they have basicaly said you lot of tv's that will do xyz heres a console that also does xyz, oh and its media is a dvd. so you dont have to worry if its going to be juck next month.
(bonus is that i got 4 games two set of controllers for less then a ps3 and the xbox360!)
i also got some wii cases for the controllers and a 1gb memory cart and the component cables. - still under the price of a ps3.
i will be gaming for 18months + before hd ps3 gaming become worth the jump.

RE: Mass Market versus Key Users
By mars777 on 4/27/2007 10:39:02 PM , Rating: 2
But, guess what?
You get a PS3 next.... or a Xbox760.
(since i think the PS3 will have a longevity way more than the X360)

The PS3 is a console that will potentially (if the BlueRay wins) have a very long user base in the long run because of it's longevity.

Microsoft is targeting to sell more generations of consoles in that time-span (to increase profit - and satisfy more fanatic users).

It something about gambling. If BlueRay wins the PS3 wins, if not it falls. In the days of the PS2 it was simple because there was only Dvd-rom.

If BD falls, Microsoft wins.
Its all about the media not about the games. Games are only a consequence. Since modern consoles are anything but consoles. Starting from the X360 that is nothing more than an Xbox 360 with better graphics but has the 'wow' HDDVD player. The PS3 has the 'wow' BlueRay (and the less 'wow' motion sensing controller), while the Wii has the 'wow' new controller. From all of these the Wii is a cheap console and the other two are pricy media playing consoles.

But, remember what is the most selling console today: a cheap media playing console, the PS3.

Its all about longevity(which means beeing cheap after a two year period and make money) and media playing.
That is what makes the user base and ultimately the game base.

If sony targets the PS3 to what the PS2 is now it will make money. That is all they care.

RE: Mass Market versus Key Users
By mars777 on 4/27/2007 10:41:19 PM , Rating: 2
But, remember what is the most selling console today: a cheap media playing console, the PS3.

Lapsus. PS3 should read PS2.
Sorry it's late here :)

RE: Mass Market versus Key Users
By jadedeath on 4/29/2007 11:34:07 AM , Rating: 2
Are you kidding?

360 doesn't have an HD player without the 200 buck add-on that makes the price comparable to PS3.

I've had friends buy the 360 {at release prices which in case people forgot was closer to PS3 prices than what the cost is now} AND an HD player for it which put his price at about 100 bucks more expensive than the PS3, and he still lamented that the Price of the PS3 was WAY too expensive.

Blu Ray is only helping the PS3 but it's not the most important thing, if you're using the Blu-Ray for the game content great, if you're using it for the movies, even better.

The gloom and doom about PS3 is pointless, 360 is at 10 million consoles, bully for them, it took them a year to do it, and PS3 is lagging a bit behind, but we have yet to see the new stuff come out for it, like MGS4 and the FF series, once those are out there might be a little bit of a shift.


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