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PlayStation 2 showing plenty signs of life even in its silver years
Out with the new, in with the old

Sales of the new video game systems cooled slightly, according to sales numbers released by NPD for the month of March. Sales of Nintendo DS nearly doubled that of anything else, selling over a half-million units.

Nintendo president Reggie Fils-Aime, clearly pleased with the results, said, “The message delivered by both Wii and Nintendo DS is the same one; Innovation is compelling both current gamers and new gamers to experience a new way to play. Nintendo is bringing gaming back to the masses.”

The PlayStation 2 demonstrated impressive staying power at second place at 280,000 sold, outselling each of the new consoles. Wii came out on top of the new consoles once again with 259,000 units, well ahead of the Xbox 360 at 199,000. The PlayStation 3 lagged behind both the PSP and the Game Boy Advance at 130,000 units sold.

Interestingly, the PS3 was the only new console to see an increase in sales for the month. Wii sales were down 22 percent and Xbox 360 down 12 percent.

SCEA’s Dave Karraker offered to us his roundup of the Sony products: “According to NPD data, March 2007 showed a 24% increase in retail dollars generated year-over-year for the PlayStation brand in North America with total sales of $447 million, due in part to the addition of the PS3 platform as well as the strong launch performance of God of War II for PS2 at retail.   While PS3 saw a month-over-month increase of 2% with sales of 129,638 units, we continued to find ourselves supply constrained in March due primarily to the shift in manufacturing focus to the PS3 PAL version to support the launch of the system in Europe.  PSP also witnessed gains in March, up 2% over February with sales of 179,796 units.”

The ranking of consoles by sales are as follows:

1. Nintendo DS - 508K
2. PlayStation 2 - 280K
3. Wii - 259K
4. Xbox 360 - 199K
5. PlayStation Portable - 180K
6. Game Boy Advance - 148K
7. PlayStation 3 - 130K
8. GameCube - 22K

The strong sales of PS2 may be attributed to the release of God of War II, one of the year’s most critically acclaimed games yet, which was the top selling game of the month.

“In short, it was another outstanding month for the video games industry,” said NPD analyst Anita Frazier to GameDaily. “With all categories realizing impressive gains versus last year, even when you take into account that the first quarter of this year includes an extra week as compared to last year.”

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Where is the Wii
By Mitch101 on 4/20/2007 10:33:54 AM , Rating: 2
Has Nintendo said anything about trying to supply the demand for Wii's?

I wonder if Nintendo took a conservative manufacturing process because they would compete with Microsoft and Sony causing what feels like a shortage of Wii's.




RE: Where is the Wii
By Mitch101 on 4/20/2007 10:35:17 AM , Rating: 2
I certainly feel the Wii Would have outsold the PS2 if you could find one.


RE: Where is the Wii
By javiergf on 4/20/2007 10:40:07 AM , Rating: 3
I think the Wii will cool down in one year, from a technical point of view is not much better than a PS2 or a gamecube with a fancy controler, just look at the latest Zelda versions for both Gamecube and Wii, they almost look identical. The moment you start having many multiplatform games and they don't look the same as in the PS3 or Xbox 360, things may change a lot.


RE: Where is the Wii
By Mitch101 on 4/20/2007 10:47:42 AM , Rating: 4
I think that decision is in the numbers:

Nintendo Gamecube - ???K
Wii - 259K Just last month
Total ??? Million.

If they make the game work for both platforms which means it was probably designed for the Gamecube and Enhanced for the Wii they can sell millions more copies.

I ahave a theory that a lot of games are develped around the weakest console then tweeked for the higher end ones. This allows you sales across all 3 platforms. Unfortunately the PS2 sales as so high that Im sure a lot of games are written with a PS2 release still in mind which really screws the people with newer consoles because those machines wont get their full abilities utilized.


RE: Where is the Wii
By sprockkets on 4/20/2007 11:01:11 AM , Rating: 2
well yeah, it was developed for the gc and ported to the wii for its controller, not for the graphics.


RE: Where is the Wii
By wallijonn on 4/20/2007 11:05:28 AM , Rating: 5
quote:
just look at the latest Zelda versions for both Gamecube and Wii, they almost look identical


That is because it started out as GC game. Since the engine was already in place, it was just ported over to the Wii. The next Zelda game will supposedly be built on the Wii platform, which should see better visuals.


RE: Where is the Wii
By Verran on 4/20/2007 11:19:12 AM , Rating: 5
I disagree. The "lacking" technical aspect of the Wii means as little now as it will in a year. When are these hard-cores going to realize that the average Wii-buyer probably doesn't even know what a GPU is? They don't care how many cores the CPU in the Wii has, or whether or not the L2 cache is shared. They just want a fun game, and they don't want to have to "save up" to get it. Yeah cross-platform games will show the Wii's technical "weakness", but what do you expect for half the price?

With the Wii, you're not making a gamble on some long-term investment. PS3 would have you believe you'll still be using their hardware in 10 years. I beg to differ, but I think you'd have to agree that that statement is arguable at best. But with a $250 Wii, even if you only get a few years out of it, you're not going to be that hearbroken, because something better will probably hit by then anyways.

Anyways, I think the PS2 sales numbers in this article are a -perfect- example of why the Wii can hold up. Good games sell. Period. God of War is pushing PS2 like crazy, even though the hardware is severely lacking by most people's standards. A perfect example of why hardware alone can't push a console platform. That's something that Sony (and to a lesser extent M$) doesn't understand.


RE: Where is the Wii
By javiergf on 4/20/07, Rating: 0
RE: Where is the Wii
By encryptkeeper on 4/20/2007 1:47:46 PM , Rating: 2
Anyways, I think the PS2 sales numbers in this article are a -perfect- example of why the Wii can hold up. Good games sell. Period. God of War is pushing PS2 like crazy, even though the hardware is severely lacking by most people's standards. A perfect example of why hardware alone can't push a console platform. That's something that Sony (and to a lesser extent M$) doesn't understand.

I couldn't put it better myself.


RE: Where is the Wii
By artemicion on 4/21/2007 12:03:31 PM , Rating: 2
Just for the sake of argument . . .
1) Although Zelda: TP was designed for the GC and ported to the Wii, it doesn't change the fact that hardware wise, the Wii isn't much more powerful than a GC. Cost of production is proof of this. Nintendo actually makes a profit selling Wii hardware, Sony and MS take losses selling their more expensive hardware, so obviously the hardware in the Wii is going to be less sophisticated.

2) The whole "graphics don't matter" argument has been made since the SNES days. What makes it more true now than it was before?

I like my Wii, but will be the first to acknowledge that I didn't buy it for the graphics. It's just a different approach to gaming. People who insist that Sony and MS are "wrong" do irk me though. As if they have a vested interest in selling more Wiis. /shrug


RE: Where is the Wii
By encryptkeeper on 4/20/2007 1:28:48 PM , Rating: 2
I like how you reply to yourself as if it was two people holding a conversation.

Just messing with you. But I do think it's funny that people are cheering about a 2% increase for the PS3, when it's a 2% increase in a loss. That just makes me laugh. And with a 15% price cut on the PSP, they should have seen more sales increase than 2%.


RE: Where is the Wii
By awer26 on 4/20/2007 10:38:22 AM , Rating: 4
Hopefully they won't wait too long or else the demand will decrease as people get tired of waiting and get something else. I was lucky enough to get the Wii w/in the first 2 weeks but very few of my friends have one yet, which lessens my experience as well.


RE: Where is the Wii
By Mitch101 on 4/20/2007 10:42:35 AM , Rating: 2
Im in the same boat I have 4 friends looking and only 1 of my buddys about 2 weeks ago finally found one.

Now we have to listen to him brag about his Wii. I should mention he is also a Giants fan and boy they never shut up. You would think they won the super bowl every year and need to tell you about it constantly.


RE: Where is the Wii
By hobbes7869 on 4/21/2007 9:58:02 AM , Rating: 2
No kidding, My wife and I spent 1.5 months searching for a Wii in different several different cities. None could be found. Even Best Buy had no Idea when their next shipments were going to come in. I went to one walmart that had an advert out for wiis, well when I went there and keep in mind this was in March 2007, there was a line outside of about 20 people waiting for them to hit the shelves at midnight. Insane! Finally got one on Friday of this week, my wife spotted the last one on the shelves at a walmart. I do enjoy pointing this fact out. There were PS3s availble at each and every store we searched at. No shortage of those. Just my observations


RE: Where is the Wii
By SiliconAddict on 4/21/2007 12:01:08 PM , Rating: 2
I know I was. I was literally a week away from getting a 360 (The PS3 and its price point damn well better give me a blow jobe before I spend half a grand on a console.) I gave it one more shot at a local TRU. Got there at 8AM on a Sunday. 23rd in line out of 30 consoles. Got it. But barely.
Nintendo has to do something. Most if not all the parts in the Wii are off the shelf components. There really is no excuse for this shortage other then over extending them selves for their global launch.


You just have to give credit to Nintendo!
By jrb531 on 4/20/07, Rating: 0
RE: You just have to give credit to Nintendo!
By GreenEnvt on 4/20/2007 1:41:56 PM , Rating: 4
I don't know why people insist on saying the Wii is just a GC with "some sligtly updated versions" of GC parts.
The Wii is an evolution of the GC hardware yes, but powerwise it is twice as powerful as the GC. The GC was already a strong performer in the last gen, slightly less powerful then xbox but more powerful then ps2.


RE: You just have to give credit to Nintendo!
By jrb531 on 4/20/2007 2:50:20 PM , Rating: 1
It's not twice as powerfull. Maybe 20% at most. Even Nintendo themselves admitted that the Wii was basically a repackaged Gamecube.

http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/home-entertainment/miya...

-JB


RE: You just have to give credit to Nintendo!
By GreenEnvt on 4/20/2007 3:54:20 PM , Rating: 2
That says the hardware is compatible, but doesn't say it's only slightly faster. A C2D will run the same software a Pentium2 will, but that doesn't mean the C2D is just a P2 will slightly improved parts.

We all know the Wii has no where near the power of the other two current consoles, but it's also not as weak as many people make it out to be.


By jrb531 on 4/21/2007 11:18:00 AM , Rating: 2
If you read the link to the actualy interview you would have seen the talk about how the Wii is basically a repackaged Gamecube with the latest versions of the same hardware the gamecube has.

I did not say it... Nintendo said it and I suspect they regret the statement now.

-B


RE: You just have to give credit to Nintendo!
By Verran on 4/20/2007 2:16:29 PM , Rating: 2
Reading FTW: http://www.thelastboss.com/post.phtml?pk=1781

Wholesale production price is $195.99, and that does not include the Wii Sports disc, the controller, shipping, the wages to build the thing, or R+D. They've admitted they're making money on it (I thought that was the idea?), but given those figures it can't be too much.

And besides, even if it was overpriced, who care's if it's still more reasonable than the competition AND still a blast? You'll hear PS3 owners all day pointing out all their features like a used car salesmen, but few of them brag about how amazingly fun it is. You'll be hard-pressed to find a more satisfied group than Wii owners.

Apparently, the only people feeling "ripped off" by the Wii are PS3 owners.


RE: You just have to give credit to Nintendo!
By jrb531 on 4/20/2007 2:52:37 PM , Rating: 2
Graphic chip $29.60
CPU $13.00
DRAM $7.80
Optical disk drive $31.00
Power supply $11.30
Manufacturing cost $19.50
Cost total $158.30
Wholesale price $195.99

So what is the difference in cost total to Wholesale price?

-JB


RE: You just have to give credit to Nintendo!
By Verran on 4/20/2007 4:11:36 PM , Rating: 3
Honestly, I don't know. Mark-up from production to retailer maybe. But that's not really even the point. They've got $160 in parts going into it. Figure in the labor to assemble it, the remote and chuck, the game, and the shipping, and I'd find it hard to believe that Nintendo's got less than $200 into a packaged Wii on the shelf at Wal-Mart.

So I'd say calling it a "rip-off" is quite an exaggeration. Also, by the cost breakdown, it's pretty hard to assert that this is just a GameCube when it's got twice the hardware value going into it.

And anyways, the "praise" you mention isn't for lack of markup, it's for affordability. You can praise the technical abilities of a $400-$600 console all day, but if you can't afford or justify the price, then how much good do those abilities do you?


By jrb531 on 4/21/2007 11:24:53 AM , Rating: 2
It does not cost them $40-$50 to put one together. The $159 is prob much lower due to volume prices and other such "deals" they get.

Did Nintendo come out and list those prices or did someone "part" the system?

As I said before it is Nintendo's right to sell their system for anythign they want. It's called the free market.

The problem is that the other two big systems are being sold at a loss and they make up for this by adding costs to the games you buy. Now the Wii games are $10 cheaper than the other two systems but is this because Nintendo does not need to recoop costs or that it is much much easier to develope a program for the Wii due to the 4 year old tech?

My guess.... prob a little of both but while I can wait a few months and get that $59 PS3 or 360 game for $49 or even $39 on sale it will be interesting to see just how cheap Nintendo will allow their games to be sold.

Time will tell... time will tell.

-JB


By Legolias24 on 4/20/2007 8:31:35 PM , Rating: 2
Sorry Verran, I highly disagree with your last statement. I own a PS3 and am extremly pleased/happy/satisfied (take your pick)with my purchase. And judging from some of the games I've seen slated for release later this year, I'm going to continue to be extremely pleased/happy/satisfied with my purchase!


By Le Québécois on 4/20/2007 3:13:43 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Heck the #1 console (if you count handhelds) is the DS which is basically a Nintendo 64 with many games ported over from that old old system.


You haven't played a lot of Nintendo DS have you... Sure when the console was first release they ported a lot of Nintendo 64 games to rapidly build a library for the DS but since then, not much. Go to your local gaming shop and try to find more than 3 or 4 N64 ports on the shelves... you won't. Now the DS is about mostly exclusive titles that make original use of both screens or the touch screen fonction.


RE: You just have to give credit to Nintendo!
By jrb531 on 4/20/2007 3:37:59 PM , Rating: 2
But it still basically has the hardware capability of an old N64.

My point was not to diss the system but point out that "state of the art" does not automatically sell systems.

If the Wii can keep coming out with originla games that people want to play... aside from the old Nintendo standbys... then maybe they will be able to sustain this.

This is something they never could do with the Gamcube which is a better system than the PS2.

Cheap and trendy sells. Considering the hardware the Wii will always be cheaper than the two better systems but can it remain trendy or will it go the way of the cabbage patch dolls and Furby :)

Only time will tell. If they lose "trendy" then they are left with a system that was out of date the day it was released to try and compete with systems that have more legs.

So I suspect that they will keep the Wii cheap and try and keep sales going based on that.

IMHO

$199 xmas '07
$149 xmas '08
$99 xmas '09

-JB


By Le Québécois on 4/20/2007 10:46:31 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
But it still basically has the hardware capability of an old N64.


Hum...more like twice the power of the N64 in a handheld with 2 screens, one being a touchscreen, with smaller cartridge with bigger capacity, wi fi and probably other things that I forget. But yes, I get your point.

I think the fact that Nintendo is aiming at a larger crowd of peoples will help them no matter what. I mean, the hardware is so cheap, so even if you don't play it as often as your Xbox 360 or PS3 it's fun to have around to play with friends or simply play original games.


By Shadowmaster625 on 4/20/2007 4:22:18 PM , Rating: 3
To be more concise, they take a $99 Gamecube, add a game, a wireless controller, a nunchuck controller, a sensor bar, wifi, internal flash memory, and a virtual console. All for only an extra $150. Doesn't seem like that much of a ripoff to me. Not compared to Sony charging an extra $200+ for a blue laser!


By encryptkeeper on 4/20/2007 4:24:14 PM , Rating: 2
So jrb531 you're a power whore huh? Then why is it that the Gameboy advance sold better than the PS3?

"Now before you flame me...IMHO the Wii shoudl cost no more than $199 and $149 would be more in line. Does anyone think it costs more than an extra $50 to produce a Wii over a Gamecub"

Any post that begins with 'Now before you flame me', is in no way 'humble'. Remember that a great deal of money needs to be made back by console manufacturers to recoup the money spent in DEVELOPMENT. The Wiimote probably spent several months if not years in R&D. The Wii is cheaper to produce yes, but Nintendo would like to recoup that money spent to create the system.


PS2 sales amazing...
By javiergf on 4/20/2007 10:32:37 AM , Rating: 2
PS2 continue to outsell the next generation consoles, that's just amazing. It would be interesting to see the figures 1 year from now, but clearly xbox360 and wii are doing way better than the PS3




RE: PS2 sales amazing...
By othercents on 4/20/2007 10:35:55 AM , Rating: 1
The Wii isn't that far behind the PS2 which is definitely an accomplishment since the PS2 has such a large selection of games. Also the Wii is sold out everytime I try to find one. Since my DVD player broke I'm waiting for the DVD version of the Wii.

Now I'm just waiting for Microsoft or Sony to make another "foot in the mouth" comment on how their consoles are better than the Wii. You know it's coming.

Other


RE: PS2 sales amazing...
By michal1980 on 4/20/07, Rating: -1
RE: PS2 sales amazing...
By Mitch101 on 4/20/2007 10:49:57 AM , Rating: 1
I think the Euro Launch caused the spike of PS3's?


RE: PS2 sales amazing...
By michal1980 on 4/20/2007 11:12:16 AM , Rating: 1
these numbers are for north america only.


RE: PS2 sales amazing...
By Mitch101 on 4/20/2007 3:15:32 PM , Rating: 2
Doh thanks for the correction I didnt see that and I read it twice. Time for coffee.


RE: PS2 sales amazing...
By encryptkeeper on 4/20/2007 1:25:47 PM , Rating: 3
While Nintendo fans can't cheer about an increase over last month's sales, you shouldn't cum in your pants over a 2% increase on the PS3, because that's actually 2% MORE money that Sony LOST due to the outrageous cost of the PS3 (when Nintendo makes money on EVERY DS and Wii sold). I hate to see that the Wii has decreased in sales compared to the 360, but the 360 fits the demographic better stateside. But remember that the Wii and the DS are also nowhere to be found (except more than a day or two), with healthy supplies of the PS3. You have to put all this stuff in perspective before you go bragging about a 2% increase on a loss.


RE: PS2 sales amazing...
By cscpianoman on 4/20/2007 8:15:47 PM , Rating: 2
The reason the PS3 sold more was because they finally released it 23 March in Europe.


RE: PS2 sales amazing...
By encryptkeeper on 4/23/2007 9:58:51 AM , Rating: 2
These numbers are for North America ONLY. It's been a few years since I graduated high school, but I don't think Europe is part of North America...


RE: PS2 sales amazing...
By Verran on 4/20/2007 11:24:12 AM , Rating: 2
They could say they beat "some consoles" by almost 600% (GC) :P

2% growth. Pft! What's 102% of last place? Hmm... invert and multiply... carry the one.... Yup. Still last.


RE: PS2 sales amazing...
By frobizzle on 4/20/2007 10:41:33 AM , Rating: 2
While I'm sure that they will be pleased about the PS2 (it has to be almost all profit at this stage of the game,) these numbers will be extremely painful to Sony as they are betting so highly on sales of PS3. Oh well...


Congratulations Nintendo (and PS2)
By Goyahkla on 4/20/2007 11:16:38 AM , Rating: 2
I have to eat crow. I first saw the DS in the store at around the same time I picked up my PSP shortly after they went on sale and told my buddy that Nintendo's days were numbered. My PSP has since turned into a portable wi-fi internet device since all the games on it suck. I use my old GameBoy Advance for mobile gaming.

I got a Wii on November 19 and it has gotten my (nearly 60) mother interested in video games thanks to bowling and golf. She wants one for her house so she doesn't have to wait for my infrequent visits (9-hour drive). PS2's success is a testiment to...."It's the games stupid." Having compelling software (i.e. MarioKart for Wii, where are you?) is the only reason to invest in a console. PS3 will someday get that killer app, if they can stay afloat long enough to not lose all their exclusives to XBOX. My sister got Guitar Hero 2 for her son's XBOX 360 and said it is a blast.

BTW: I get to be smug now that my coworkers can't find a Wii for the kiddies 5 months on after making fun of me for standing outside Wal-Mart in the cold for 12 hours. I was also one of the lucky ones to have bought 3 extra controllers at Best Buy a few days before the console went on sale. Accessories are still slim pickins around here.




RE: Congratulations Nintendo (and PS2)
By erector16 on 4/20/2007 12:05:44 PM , Rating: 2
MarioKart64 is available as a virtual console game (as is Fire Fox 64). Ah, the memories...


By TejTrescent on 4/20/2007 6:31:06 PM , Rating: 4
Ah yes, Fire Fox 64, the best browser the system ever had.. Oh the memories.


By elpresidente2075 on 4/22/2007 1:49:35 PM , Rating: 2
Do you mean Star Fox 64?


By encryptkeeper on 4/20/2007 1:59:16 PM , Rating: 2
Don't forget that the Gameboy Advance outsold the PS3, and the GBA is technically a dead platform.


PS3?
By peter7921 on 4/20/2007 10:51:09 AM , Rating: 3
Anyone else surprised by PS3's performance? I knew sales for it were slow, but damn not that slow!

Seeing it how it is a new console it should be beating the 360 in sales since the 360 has been out for a year already. This has to be embarrassing for Sony. There lucky they have the PS2 to fall back on.

BTW great job for Nintendo and MS, also Sony with PS2




RE: PS3?
By awer26 on 4/20/2007 12:42:11 PM , Rating: 2
It's the price! I'd love to get a PS3 but who has an extra $600 JUST FOR THE CORE SYSTEM! Extra controllers are $50, games are $60, even at Monoprice, an HDMI and optical cable are around $20-25 before you know it you've spent almost $1000! 360 has the same problems but to a lesser extent.


RE: PS3?
By leper on 4/20/2007 12:47:43 PM , Rating: 1
I don't find the PS3's performance at this point surprising, it is still very early days. A lot of people will be hangin out for a price drop obviously, but also for some exclusive titles to see if they live up to the hype. GTA should bump up sales of the PS3 and 360 too.


RE: PS3?
By javiergf on 4/20/2007 1:51:31 PM , Rating: 2
But ey, from just a gaming perspective the Xbox360 is cheaper and you can play in HD and in a wonderful multiplayer environment: Gears of wars, Dead rising, DOA4, Rainbow Six Vegas, FEAR, Elder Scrolls IV, etc...
What good game do you have for the PS3 right now? Resistance fall of men is good, but it is not better than FEAR. What else? Elder Scrolls IV? it was released a year ago for the xbox 360.....


constrained?!?!
By Lazarus Dark on 4/20/2007 11:24:40 AM , Rating: 5
quote:
we continued to find ourselves supply constrained in March due primarily to the shift in manufacturing focus to the PS3 PAL version to support the launch of the system in Europe.


Did he seriously say that ps3 supply is constrained?! WTF! Do these Sony execs live in a bubble that exists outside our reality? No where on the planet is there a shortage of ps3's! Not for six months! (dont' correct me, I know how long its been out)




RE: constrained?!?!
By bldckstark on 4/20/2007 12:44:29 PM , Rating: 3
Every department store I walk into has a stack of PS3's on the shelf. No Wii's and one or two 360's. The are usually sold out of pink DS lites too. I have seen some stores where they have so many Piss3's that they have them stacked on the floor becasue they ran out of room in the case. A friend of mine works at Wal-Mart electronics and he said the store manager is trying to send back a bunch of PS3's. They don't want them. They want 10 times more Wii's.

My (twin 5 yr old) boys opened their Wii for their birthday last night and it was a scream fest. The played it until they couldn't stay awake any longer. Swapping in Gamecube games and Wii games. Boxing is excellent for them. They get to virtually beat the crap out of each other.

We have every console since the Super Nintendo (except PS3) and they play(ed) the Gamecube as much as all the others put together.

My daughter has a DS Lite and it is the only one she plays.

Nintendo knows what they are doing. Never doubt it, ever again.


Experience
By zaki on 4/20/2007 1:08:03 PM , Rating: 2
Honestly, I think that Sony is the only company familiar and willing to support a major console for a long period of time. Nintendo does really well in keeping the interest alive in its mobile platforms, but sony is the only one launching killer titles for ps2 even in its late age, thats the only reason why im so loyal to their brand. I woudnt be surprised if microsoft was working on releasing a xbox 720 in 2009. And nintendo doesnt have as many games as I would like.




RE: Experience
By mxzrider2 on 4/21/2007 3:38:57 AM , Rating: 3
BUT They arent the ones releasing. they have put out what 3 games for the ps2. the developers and publishers are the ones putting out the games and i guess they know who to sell to right now.


Sales Returns
By Kougar on 4/20/2007 3:23:34 PM , Rating: 1
One key point in the data... are sales returns factored into these numbers at all? A great number of 360's are still being returned, very likely the most out of any other console on that list.




RE: Sales Returns
By Hotdogah on 4/20/2007 9:21:53 PM , Rating: 2
What in the world are you talking about. I sure dont know alot of people who buy a 360 and then take it back for no reason, its better than anything else out right now. Where are the facts man!


RE: Sales Returns
By Kougar on 4/21/2007 7:35:25 AM , Rating: 2
Bad and defective units for one thing. Seems like once a week I still read about another person whose on their Xth 360 console now, and several of them stated they simply took theirs back to the store for a refund or credit. I know one guy that returned his he just bought simply because of the Elite's launch. Others are still getting 1st gen 360's with the noisey dvd drive as well, and are also getting refunds so they can buy the newer revision console elsewhere.... there are lots of "no reasons" out there. ;)


By therealnickdanger on 4/20/2007 10:53:56 AM , Rating: 2
It's already here. It's been here since the first GameBoy hit the market. All these companies should stop trying to integrate games into cell phones and integrate phones into GameBoys. That would be ****ing awesome.

Back to topic, we are entering the summer lull. Consoles sales typically slow down between Christmas and... Christmas. LOL




By novacthall on 4/20/2007 11:07:26 AM , Rating: 2
We'll have Forza 2 to keep us busy for a while. =)


Nintendo the largest game company
By Daven on 4/20/2007 12:29:46 PM , Rating: 2
By my math,

Nintendo: Gamecude, Gameboy, Wii, DS
937K

Sony: PS3, PSP, PS2
590K

Microsoft: XBOX360
199K

Nintendo is rocking with quite a nice console and portable lineup. Almost 2:1 vs. Sony and 5:1 vs. Microsoft.




Ouch!
By encryptkeeper on 4/20/2007 2:31:30 PM , Rating: 2
"So far this year, Nintendo has sold more video game systems than all other manufacturers combined," the company stated.

Damn that smarts!




sony really 'supply-constrained?'
By bohhad on 4/20/2007 2:57:13 PM , Rating: 2
i realize what one buyer sees does not equal the conditions of a worldwide market, but everywhere i go, wii is sold out. ps3 is not. like i said, however, thats just me




Go to the marketplace & ask WHY ?
By crystal clear on 4/21/2007 4:12:24 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
The PlayStation 2 demonstrated impressive staying power at second place at 280,000 sold, outselling each of the new consoles.


Analysis-

1)This proves realities of the market place is not what is potrayed on websites.

2)Every console manufacturer incl Sony at the management level should ask a very simple question "WHY"

quote:
"What is the crucial factor that ultimately influences the buying decision of the ordinary buyer"


For that you(they) got to out there in the market place &
not the websites/internet & find the answers.

quote:
"Why PS2 is outselling each of the new consoles"
repeatedly -see also sales figures of 06.

Buying habits & preferences(choice of products) is something
to be studied seriously.

This is best advice any console manufacturer could get.
Get out of YOUR office suites/corporate towers & go the marketplace & see for yourself & ask "WHY"




By crystal clear on 4/21/2007 5:51:48 AM , Rating: 1
"For that you(they) got to out there in the market place "

Should read-

For that you(they) got to be out there in the market place


Wii-a-plenty
By tubasol on 4/20/07, Rating: -1
RE: Wii-a-plenty
By givionte on 4/20/2007 12:01:08 PM , Rating: 2
Hey! Look over there, it's the world's largest Sony fanboy!


RE: Wii-a-plenty
By Chiggs on 4/20/2007 12:01:33 PM , Rating: 3
How are things in Sony PRland? Seems like a fun job.


RE: Wii-a-plenty
By Symmetriad on 4/20/2007 12:21:03 PM , Rating: 2
Except 90% of the people who buy video game consoles don't know or care about technical details. The average consumer - especially parents buying for their kids - is simply going to think something like, "Does this thing play Mario?" People are going to be most concerned about what games they can play as soon as they plug in the system, not their long-term strategy as to how best to utilize consumer electronics. And right now, as soon as you plug in the system, the number of games for the PS3 is not big enough and doesn't have enough killer apps to justify its purchase for the average consumer.

My personal opinion is that the PS3 has lost major market share partially because it appeals primarily to the hardcore enthusiast, and not to the parents and Average Joes who actually make up the glut of the market. The PS2 has a wide enough selection of games to feel like a regular gaming console, and the Wii is designed to appeal to as wide a range of people as possible. The 360 isn't as universal on either front, but at least tries to toe the line enough to have more than on-paper appeal. Ultimately, what the average consumer tends to want in a console is something that plays good games: technical details and other functionality are usually secondary issues.

Besides, the percentage of people who want to install Linux on a gaming console is so vanishingly small that it's completely absurd to bring it up, and I'm pretty sure you have to buy at least some additional accessories to adequately utilize a PS3 too.


RE: Wii-a-plenty
By RyuDeshi on 4/20/2007 12:59:27 PM , Rating: 4
You probably just saw empty display boxes. I thought the same thing one day and when I asked if they were in stock, they said no and they didn't even know when the next shipment was.

There were probably 4+ empty boxes up there..


RE: Wii-a-plenty
By zaki on 4/20/2007 1:33:49 PM , Rating: 2
man i agree, there are a lot of sony-haters. there are more sony-haters than sony fanboys.

anytime somebody makes a case for sony, they get called a fanboy.


RE: Wii-a-plenty
By SiliconAddict on 4/21/2007 1:02:39 PM , Rating: 2
No when they lie through their teeth they are called a fanboi. I don't know what part of the country that person lives but you sure as hell can't find stack of Wii's in the Midwest. I spent 3 weeks trying to get me hands on one here in the Minneapolis Twin Cities area. Called up 40 stores. Nothing. It took me getting up at 8 in the morning on a Sunday to get one.


RE: Wii-a-plenty
By javiergf on 4/20/2007 1:55:30 PM , Rating: 2
How about Gears of War? When the PS3 has a game that comes closer to it, let me know please.


RE: Wii-a-plenty
By OblivionMage on 4/20/2007 4:35:27 PM , Rating: 3
Call me a fanboy, but I am buying an Xbox 360 for Halo 3...


RE: Wii-a-plenty
By Hotdogah on 4/20/2007 9:23:25 PM , Rating: 2
Halo 3, Heck Yeah!!


RE: Wii-a-plenty
By javiergf on 4/21/2007 2:44:34 AM , Rating: 2
It should be released by November... can't wait


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