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Chart of one week top ten and since-inception top ten HD DVD and Blu-ray

Information on the top 25 Blu-ray and HD DVD sold in 2007

Movie studios compared across the formats as of the week ending March 18

A comparison of HD DVD and Blu-ray over both formats' lifetime - All figures provided by SPHE
Latest sales figures show Blu-ray Disc outselling HD DVD seven to three

Sony, a clear backer of the Blu-ray Disc, has released a special report on the next-generation format’s current lead over HD DVD. Although the source of the report leads to immediately brings up the issue of obvious bias, the numbers cited come from reputable retail point-of-sake statistics source Nielsen VideoScan.

Sony Pictures Home Entertainment was likely spurred to release the report based on the success of Casino Royale on Blu-ray Disc. The latest Bond flick debuted at the top of the next-gen format sales charts with 28,233 units, making it the fastest selling high-def disc to date. The release of Casino Royale also boosted Blu-ray sales 74.4 percent for the week ending March 18 as compared to the previous week. In comparison, HD DVD sales fell 14.1 percent compared to the week before that.

Blu-ray’s strong sales since the beginning of 2007 have given it a 7 to 3 sales ratio versus HD DVD. Year to date sales of Blu-ray are 549,730 units and for HD DVD 249,451 units.

Blu-ray’s lead isn’t as strong, however, when looking at cumulative sales since each format’s inception. Total sales for Blu-ray Disc are around 844,000 and for HD DVD an approximate total of 708,600 units. Blu-ray surpassed HD DVD in total units sold during mid-February.

In terms of movies, seven out of the top 10 best selling high-def movies of all time are Blu-ray titles. For the week ending March 18, nine out of 10 were Blu-ray titles. The only HD DVD to crack that week’s is The Departed in fifth place, while the Blu-ray version held second place.

Sony Pictures Home Entertainment also broke down the high-def format unit market share. For Blu-ray, Sony leads with 32.2 percent, followed by Warner at 19 percent and Fox at 13.7 percent. For HD DVD, Warner accounts for 47.3 percent, followed by Universal with 38.3 percent and Paramount at 12.1 percent.

Although Nielsen VideoScan statistics are generally indicative of market trends, they do not include Wal-Mart and some online merchants. Sony’s choice to publish its findings after analyzing the latest numbers is a clear indication of the confidence that Blu-ray Disc has in winning the format war. Still, Blu-ray only took the lead from HD DVD in 2007, which HD DVD supporters blame on their format’s relatively sluggish recent months. With high-definition movie sales figures being insignificant when compared to the numbers that DVD sells, both HD DVD and Blu-ray have a ways to go before either one can truly be declared a winner.

For Sony Pictures Home Entertainment's full report, download the PDF document here courtesy of Digital Bits.



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RE: D. None of the above
By masher2 (blog) on 4/10/2007 10:55:13 AM , Rating: 1
Did you actually say "average consumer" and "fault-tolerant RAID" in the same sentence? The average consumer doesn't even have broadband yet. Without a disc, how are you going to get a movie to him, much less permanently store it?

Still, the storage is the real problem. HD films are just too big for any reasonable collection to be stored on disc. (despite your belief, many of them do approach 30GB with little to no extras). In a few years that won't be true...but then higher def formats will be on the horizon.


RE: D. None of the above
By SunAngel on 4/10/07, Rating: -1
RE: D. None of the above
By masher2 (blog) on 4/10/2007 1:56:36 PM , Rating: 2
I believe I understood. He wants the average consumer to buy a Raid-based media server, manage both it and backups for it, and download and hold their entire media library to it without the use of any sort of optical disk or (in the case of the 'average' consumer) without even the use of a broadband connection.

If I've misunderstood, please advise.


RE: D. None of the above
By wrekd on 4/10/2007 3:11:02 PM , Rating: 2
You missed it. I don't care about RAID-based media servers. That was just a means to an end. I don't know what the future will bring; I only know what technology we have today. Hell in a few years we could all be using wireless Fibre channel to access our 30TB Gmail accounts.

I care about the content not the container. I'm tired of scratching discs and it has nothing to do with how I personally handle the media and everything to do with the media itself. The Industry loves it when consumers scratch discs.


RE: D. None of the above
By Oregonian2 on 4/10/2007 6:27:27 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
You missed it. I don't care about RAID-based media servers. That was just a means to an end. I don't know what the future will bring; I only know what technology we have today. Hell in a few years we could all be using wireless Fibre channel to access our 30TB Gmail accounts.


In a few years? Massive people will still be using 56K modems.

Okay I want to go to the coast next weekend and bring some of our favorite movies with us to watch while we have the ocean sounds in the background. How do we bring them? Assume this fiber (that's much faster than FIOS) is hooked up everywhere an they've massive storage there? Oh, by the way. These files will have DRM on them too obviously, how will it allow us to play it there? will it have to be deleted from our local server to move the copy to the hotel?

Yes, it'll probably happen, but nowhere near "in a few years". Maybe in twenty at best. At very least the fiber to the home that they're putting in now will have to be replaced with something faster, and the ground will have to be dug up for that and the entire country's infrastructure that'll cost money in insane quantity will have to be paid out a couple times over (and be profitable for it to be done -- remember).

So the fundamental question is: "how will this be cheaper than distribution by discs" and/or "why will people pay the added costs for things to go that way"?

Also how will it be backed up? Each movie on a disc? :-)


RE: D. None of the above
By spartan014 on 4/11/2007 12:13:15 AM , Rating: 2
Priceless!!!

Wireless fibre channels??

LOL!!


RE: D. None of the above
By wrekd on 4/12/2007 8:55:58 AM , Rating: 2
If you don't know, don't post

1. Look up iSCSI
2. Pay attention to the part that says TCP/IP and Ethernet
3. Research wireless technologies
4. Shut you piehole with your "Priceless LOLs"


RE: D. None of the above
By spartan014 on 4/19/2007 12:33:17 AM , Rating: 2
If it is wireless, what is the need to say fibre or copper? What you probably meant was wireless channels with the bandwidth of a fibre channel. But the term you used was an oxymoron. If you can't accept that, its your problem..


RE: D. None of the above
By BMFPitt on 4/10/2007 3:12:48 PM , Rating: 2
As painful as the thought of defending a SunAngel comment is, I have to say that you are making out the difficulty of implementing this to be way more than it is.

This could be done in a set top box with a simplistic interface with no technical expertise. Backups wouldn't be required because you would have the right to redownload using your account on whatever service provides the content.

Yes, this means your 'average' consumer would need a broadband connection. If by 'average' you mean the purchaser of a beyond-next-generation media device.

(With the exception of a big enough RAID array, XBox360 and PS3 pretty much fit his description.)


RE: D. None of the above
By masher2 (blog) on 4/10/2007 3:18:36 PM , Rating: 2
> "Yes, this means your 'average' consumer would need a broadband connection"

There are some 45 million broadband subscribers in the US. That means most don't have it...and even that 45 million figure counts connection like basic 256K DSL, which is pretty much useless for downloading HD content.

Even once you cross that hurdle, you have issues with access rights, customer perception of ownership for intangible data, and a hundred other problems. They'll all be solved one day...but it won't be anytime in the next 5 years, possibly 10.

I stand by the remark. Such a system is not practical for the mass market yet.


RE: D. None of the above
By BMFPitt on 4/10/2007 3:51:37 PM , Rating: 2
That was great the way you took out the second part of that statement. I'm sure nobody noticed.


RE: D. None of the above
By masher2 (blog) on 4/10/2007 4:22:57 PM , Rating: 1
I'm sorry if you felt I took your statement out of context. But while HD-DVD and BD are 'next-generation' today, they won't be for long...not if their backers have anything to say about it. They're aiming for the mass market, not the bleeding edge.


RE: D. None of the above
By Andypro on 4/10/2007 4:22:49 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Still, the storage is the real problem. HD films are just too big for any reasonable collection to be stored on disc.


I've posted on this topic in a past article. The reason that HD films on HDDVD and Blu-ray take up that much space is because all the movie studios are still using their old equipment to transcode their feature films using MPEG2. This is simply due to costs and in no way does it indicate how much space is "required" for a film. H.264 encoding can easily slice the size by 2/3rds.

Once the studios switch their setup over (or once we get established online access to films in HD), they will move to H.264 and you will have no problem storing 100 films in a terabyte.


RE: D. None of the above
By masher2 (blog) on 4/10/2007 6:02:31 PM , Rating: 2
> "The reason that HD films on HDDVD and Blu-ray take up that much space is because all the movie studios are still using their old equipment to transcode their feature films using MPEG2..."

I'm sorry, but this isn't true. None of the HD-DVDs are done in MPEG2 (Warner is strictly VC-1), and the films take anywhere from 15GB to 27GB each. Some of the early Blu Ray releases were done in MPEG2 on BD25, but they suffered from image quality issues as a result.


RE: D. None of the above
By wallijonn on 4/11/2007 4:23:17 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
The reason that HD films on HDDVD and Blu-ray take up that much space is because all the movie studios are still using their old equipment to transcode their feature films using MPEG2. This is simply due to costs and in no way does it indicate how much space is "required" for a film.


If it is a matter of costs, then why would any game developer in his right mind want to buy new equipment just to press Blu-Ray games? Wouldn't it be much simpler to use the old equipment which presses DVD and DVD-9 discs?

And, perhaps, that's one reason why many game developers are swinging towards the XBox .


RE: D. None of the above
By James Holden on 4/10/2007 4:59:32 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Did you actually say "average consumer" and "fault-tolerant RAID" in the same sentence?

I just printed that out and put it on my cubicle.


RE: D. None of the above
By Noya on 4/11/2007 12:42:07 PM , Rating: 2
Do you honestly think formats with resolution greater than 1080p are on the near horizon?

It's taken how many years to jump from NTSC to HD? 50 years or the likes? Not to mention human eyes can't distinguish between 720p and 1080p unless the screen is huge (90"+) and/or the seating distance is close (I recall something like 1.25 screen width).

Granted there's already 4k displays available, but price is prohibitive to the average consumer and content is close to none.


RE: D. None of the above
By masher2 (blog) on 4/11/2007 1:17:51 PM , Rating: 3
> "Do you honestly think formats with resolution greater than 1080p are on the near horizon?"

They will be soon. Within less than 10 years is a safe bet.

> "It's taken how many years to jump from NTSC to HD?"

You're talking government-mandated broadcast standards...which DVDs and their descendants don't use. A much better comparison is looking at how long it took to go from 240i (VHS) to 480i (DVD) to 480p (p-DVD) to 720p (HD) to 1080p (Full-HD). Each of those steps took anywhere from 4 to 20 years. And the longest of them (VHS) was well before media convergence began taking place. We already have monitors capable of resolutions well above 1080p. Players too, if you count a computer as one. Certainly within 10 years, there will be content and probably a new format standard as well.

> "human eyes can't distinguish between 720p and 1080p unless the screen is huge or the seating distance is close..."

That's just my point. Current video distances force the screen to subtend only a small portion of your total field of view. As resolutions increase, people will sit closer (or the screens will grow larger), so the entire experience will become more immersive.

As for 'huge screens', I'm already watching DVDs on a 103" FP system. I could use the additional resolution right now. Systems beyond 1080p aren't as far away as you think.


"I want people to see my movies in the best formats possible. For [Paramount] to deny people who have Blu-ray sucks!" -- Movie Director Michael Bay

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