backtop


Print 75 comment(s) - last by Zelvek.. on Apr 12 at 11:46 PM


Sood, right, working with the HP team on the Misto touch interface
Six months after HP absorbed the boutique vendor Voodoo PC, the company sheds some light on its eventual plans

Late last week Hewlett-Packard showcased the fruits of its Voodoo PC acquisition and the HP Labs development team. 

"It became clear that there has been work going on even prior to the Voodoo acquisition and now the wheels are spinning freely, and things are anything but status quo," said HP Global Gaming Chief Technology Officer and DailyTech Blogger Rahul Sood.

Much of HP's showcase included technology derived from HP Labs projects.  HP's Misto project, for example, integrates a 50" touch screen into a coffee table.  The interface is designed as a proof-of-concept for gamers, but Sood isn't discounting its usefulness for other applications.

"Well, we have been exploring all types of technologies which pertain to gaming, including handheld, display, interface, and many others.  We have enough intellectual property within HP to wallpaper the building," states Sood.  "These research scientists within HP Labs are absolute geniuses, they have some interesting projects yet to be unveiled.  The interesting thing is many of the projects they are working on are not specific to gaming - we have recognized these areas and the creative juices are flowing."

Voodoo PC built its niche on the no-expense-spared ultra enthusiasts.  Although HP is a bit more grounded when it comes to catering to the masses, Voodoo's influence in HP Labs is more than apparent.  In particular, HP demonstrated its nine-projector interface capable of displaying images bright enough to see outside in full daylight.  HP's interlacing technology has shown up on other projector based projects; at the Consumer Electronics Show last January the company demonstrated its immersive driving simulator using multiple projectors interlaced together.

However, six months after HP's acquisition of Voodoo, the company still has not shipped an official HP-Voodoo collaborated PC yet.  HP continues to build Voodoo's boutique PCs, mid-range PCs under the Hewlett-Packard brand and entry level products under the Compaq brand. The company still lacks a direct competitor to Dell's XPS line. 

"We recognized that there is a gap between HP and Voodoo – and we believe this gap is significant enough that we need to jump into the sandbox and draw the line. We never said anything about creating a fourth brand but there is indeed speculation."

Sood closes, "As I said at the event in San Francisco, our funnel is full of ideas; you’ll see some new stuff as early as this year."


Comments     Threshold


This article is over a month old, voting and posting comments is disabled

RE: VoodooPC
By Zelvek on 4/12/2007 12:53:40 AM , Rating: 2
I'm sorry that you think I was calling you an idiot on the whole (ID10T is from a PC joke U5ER=ID10T Error; in other words when a user has a problem with their computer due to his/her computer illiteracy) so I was in effect saying that your PC skills are lacking. Yet again you try to use the defense that you know computers because you can run software but that really doesn't mean much of anything just cause you can drive a car and do donuts doesn't mean you know how it works.

It is true that I don't know how to use music compilation software. However the argument here is about the financial value of a voodoo PC and my ability to use a programs interface does not in any way reflect my ability to interpret that value. Similarly as has already been stated in the previous paragraph your ability to run a program is no way to establish your knowledge of a computer. If you were to tell me you know how to run visual studio it might but that would be because computer programing requires a sound knowledge of computer workings, making music does not.

I'm not telling you you have to build the computer yourself. What I'm saying is that if you had the extent of computer knowledge required to build one I would be able to take your claims with some greater seriousness. Since however you have previously stated that you don't even have that knowledge I cannot see how you could understand what is needed to properly define a voodoo PCs value.

I realize that voodoo pcs have some of the best performance ratings out there (though only by a hair and sometimes in a negative value) but very few of those reviews suggest you actually buy one because of the horrible value.
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,1722203,00.as...
Here is one such review from a very well known and trusted source for reviews that clearly states "you don't get what you pay for"
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,2002385,00.as...
here is another one were the voodoo only scores a 3 out of 5 that is fairly sad for the supposed "Ferrari" of computers.
http://reviews.cnet.com/Voodoo_Omen/4505-3118_7-31...
Here is a review from Cnet were the omen scored a 6.9 out of 10 and the reviewer says the system is only for people with deep wallets. the system also suffers performance drawbacks from an improper pairing of ram thats not what I would expect a professional system builder especially one charging this much to charge. the review also compares the omen to other systems "What's ultimately troubling is that among competing high-end systems, such as the ABS Ultimate M6, the Omen doesn't score as well. The ABS posted an identical score, and its CPU isn't overclocked at all--and it's also about half the cost."

So as I have said voodoo pcs don't have a good value.


RE: VoodooPC
By garethcoker on 4/12/2007 2:05:52 AM , Rating: 1
The only recent review is the 909. It's funny how you've only managed to find negative reviews. I can understand that your point might be that there shouldn't be any problems at this price point. It's a fair point, but to provide a balanced argument you could at least find some good reviews. Yes, they all mention the price, but also, they all mention the performance - even if you think the differences are marginal, most of the differences you're talking about, are actually against other OC'ed systems that to be honest - you'd probably still find expensive anyway...

Some 'other' reviews....

http://www.hothardware.com/viewarticle.aspx?articl...

http://www.maximumpc.com/article/Voodoo-Omen-a-121...

But we could go on forever trading reviews...

You are now talking about the 'extent' of computer knowledge required to build a computer. I thought you said it was easy.....

Who are you to decide the value of a VoodooPC. Value for money is almost always subjective. Anyway - most of us agree that Voodoo's are expensive, but as buyers, we think we're getting a good-value product. Seriously, why don't you register on the forums and see the cross-section of people that buy a Voodoo. These people that use them REALLY know their stuff.

Probably VoodooPC is a bit OTT for users such as yourself. I mean - you are an expert after all. Fair enough. Yes, I could probably build one myself, but to be honest, I'd just rather buy a Voodoo!!

You may want the last word - but we should probably just accept that this argument will go on forever. The same argument has been going on for ages in the VoodooPC forums. Basically - if you don't like the price, just go elsewhere. For someone who doesn't care for Voodoo so much, you seem to spend an awful lot of time commenting on them...


RE: VoodooPC
By Zelvek on 4/12/2007 4:08:41 AM , Rating: 2
Yes building a pc is easy. My point is if you don't have the basic know how of computers needed to build one then I can hardly see how one can hold your opinion of a computer with any merit.

As someone knowledgeable on the mater I'm saying what I have seen in many reviews (positive and negative) and first hand having a friend that owns one and having serviced a few voodoo pcs there are better alternatives.

I still have yet to read a single review (in other words a unbiased source) that rates the voodoo as having a good value. So far all the reviews you have shown me don't even look a value they just look at the benchmarks and paint job (not really all one should consider when making a purchase).

You say that a voodoo is the equivalent of a Ferrari well if that were the case I should be able to buy all the parts used in a Ferrari and build one my self. You can't though the parts are almost all custom in a Ferrari not the case in a voodoo pc not even close. The only custom parts are the case and paint job. Not to mention there is a crazy amount of engineering and custom design that goes into a Ferrari. Sure voodoo custom engineers the case. But considering the most expensive of similar cases that have also been custom engineered for the enthusiast market cost $800 CND http://www.memoryexpress.com/index.php?PageTag=&pa...
why does voodoo get to charge thousand more for theirs?

How is value for money subjective all you do is add up the cost of what goes into what you get and then compare it to what you pay if its a few thousand off than its obvious that something aint right.


RE: VoodooPC
By garethcoker on 4/12/2007 5:38:20 AM , Rating: 1
Tell me why is a Louis Vuitton bag more valuable than a bag from well.. in the UK - Marks and Spencer. They both do the same thing.

Many people consider LV bags to be a complete waste of money and not value for money - but people still buy them.

Incidentally - I already said that I wasn't getting a paintjob - never mind..

You mentioned that the reviews I showed you "don't even look at value. That's partly the point I've been trying to make! People who buy VoodooPCs at no point mention the word value. I've already acknowledged that it's expensive. Whether it offers value for money or not, is not really something I consider. I just like them!

My opinion has merit in that I OWN a VoodooPC, and have 'first hand' having experienced satisfactory performance and customer support for two and a half years. Not a single hardware component has broken down, and the only reason I'm getting a desktop is for studio expansion.

With your logic - if I make handmade chocolate with all the ingredients required (and it's not difficult to make handmade choclate), does that necessarily mean it's as good as a Godiva/Leonidas chocolate?

I can cook a nice balanced, nutritious meal. I can also goto the Ritz and have a nice balanced nutritious meal at a much higher price.

The added value in these cases is in the presentation and putting together of the product - and using high-end components and trying to make them blend together in a nice way. They are crude examples - but with your logic, you're saying you'd turn down the high-end examples that I've just given.

So, value is subjective, I personally would not goto the Ritz for an over-priced meal. However, I would buy Godiva chocolates.

I hope this illustrates the point.


RE: VoodooPC
By Zelvek on 4/12/2007 12:19:22 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
You mentioned that the reviews I showed you "don't even look at value. That's partly the point I've been trying to make! People who buy Voodoo PCs at no point mention the word value. I've already acknowledged that it's expensive. Whether it offers value for money or not, is not really something I consider. I just like them!


Considering that my initial post was mainly pertaining to value why have you even bothered trying to argue anything when you have just effectively said you have no opinion on the value of a voodoo pc?

quote:
My opinion has merit in that I OWN a VoodooPC, and have 'first hand' having experienced satisfactory performance and customer support for two and a half years. Not a single hardware component has broken down, and the only reason I'm getting a desktop is for studio expansion.


It has some merit but you only know that it has worked for you. Seeing as how this is and argument on value this is hardly enough knowledge to accurately judge a voodoo pc to its other competitors (do you have any experience with them.

quote:
With your logic - if I make handmade chocolate with all the ingredients required (and it's not difficult to make handmade choclate), does that necessarily mean it's as good as a Godiva/Leonidas chocolate?


You have neglected the work put in to making those chocolates. Years of tinkering and experience to get just the right taste. I have factored this into the building of a voodoo and as I have said the numbers don't add up.

quote:
I can cook a nice balanced, nutritious meal. I can also goto the Ritz and have a nice balanced nutritious meal at a much higher price.


Yet again you fail to factor in the experience and capabilities of the chefs making food at the ritz. If we compare the food at the ritz to a comparable alternative we will see a similar price. This is not quite the case with a voodoo pc.

quote:
The added value in these cases is in the presentation and putting together of the product - and using high-end components and trying to make them blend together in a nice way. They are crude examples - but with your logic, you're saying you'd turn down the high-end examples that I've just given.


As I have previously shown many others do the same thing yet charge substantially less.

quote:
Tell me why is a Louis Vuitton bag more valuable than a bag from well.. in the UK - Marks and Spencer. They both do the same thing.


Ahh yes just like voodoo pcs people waste money on stupid over priced shit. How is this relevant? so there are other examples of bad value to cost ratio in the world how does this change that ratio the very ratio we are supposed to be talking about?


RE: VoodooPC
By garethcoker on 4/12/2007 7:29:48 PM , Rating: 2
"Overpriced shit..."

That's your opinion. Tens of thousands of people own LV bags.. If not hundreds of thousands - especially in Japan!

Considering that most people consider Voodoo's engineering work to be of high quality - even the bad reviews say this, well, I can't take your above statements about chocolate and the Ritz seriously.

To put an end to this argument.

Do you honestly think that you could replicate the performance of a VoodooPC, and do the paintjob, and do the custom casing, for less? I'd want to see performance figures, and a high-quality paintjob, or a BAM finish, with the interior looking as neat as the exterior, and of course with the same or better performance numbers as a Voodoo.

Of course, you'll say you can, but there's no way you'll prove it to me.

I know you'll want the last word, but I'm signing off on this argument here.


RE: VoodooPC
By Zelvek on 4/12/2007 11:46:36 PM , Rating: 1
test


"You can bet that Sony built a long-term business plan about being successful in Japan and that business plan is crumbling." -- Peter Moore, 24 hours before his Microsoft resignation

Related Articles
HP Acquires VoodooPC
September 28, 2006, 8:35 PM













botimage
Copyright 2014 DailyTech LLC. - RSS Feed | Advertise | About Us | Ethics | FAQ | Terms, Conditions & Privacy Information | Kristopher Kubicki